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mandatory bible study as terms of employment?

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  • OldBrownsFanO OldBrownsFan

    @clevfan4life said:

    well the article says "allegedly", so these are the "allegations" against the employer which the employer will have to refute in court. If the allegations are true, its a civil rights violation. No different than if a man was forced to give up being a christian in order to remain employed

    And anyone can allege anything so when reporting stories like this both sides need to be presented. The reporter should have reached out for comment from the employer to answer the allegations otherwise you just have a one sided story which is what this is. It may be a civil rights issue or not. If the guy took the job knowing he was mandated to attend a bible class then Cal may be right. He was not forced to take the job.

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    And anyone can allege anything

    That's basically religion

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!
  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    @oldbrownsfan said:

    And anyone can allege anything

    That's basically religion

    @mld-woody said:

    That's basically religion

    And the Trump Russian collusion thingy is another example.

    Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney
  • Canton DawgC Canton Dawg

    @mld-woody said:

    That's basically religion

    And the Trump Russian collusion thingy is another example.

    @canton-dawg said:

    And the Trump Russian collusion thingy is another example.

    just a side note here, but in all ho esty there is vastly more circumstantial evidence for #peepeegate than there is for the god of abraham ever existing.Just FYI

  • C Clevfan4life

    @canton-dawg said:

    And the Trump Russian collusion thingy is another example.

    just a side note here, but in all ho esty there is vastly more circumstantial evidence for #peepeegate than there is for the god of abraham ever existing.Just FYI

    @clevfan4life said:

    just a side note here, but in all ho esty there is vastly more circumstantial evidence for #peepeegate than there is for the god of abraham ever existing.Just FYI

    You use the words “vastly” and “circumstantial” in the same sentence to describe evidence.

    Which boils down to a large amount of nuthin’.

    Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney
  • Canton DawgC Canton Dawg

    @clevfan4life said:

    just a side note here, but in all ho esty there is vastly more circumstantial evidence for #peepeegate than there is for the god of abraham ever existing.Just FYI

    You use the words “vastly” and “circumstantial” in the same sentence to describe evidence.

    Which boils down to a large amount of nuthin’.

    @canton-dawg said:

    You use the words “vastly” and “circumstantial” in the same sentence to describe evidence.

    Which boils down to a large amount of nuthin’.

    would you have preferred "preponderance"? end result is the same, smoke=fire. In one circumstance there's not even smoke to be seen. Clarified?

  • C Clevfan4life

    @canton-dawg said:

    You use the words “vastly” and “circumstantial” in the same sentence to describe evidence.

    Which boils down to a large amount of nuthin’.

    would you have preferred "preponderance"? end result is the same, smoke=fire. In one circumstance there's not even smoke to be seen. Clarified?

    @clevfan4life said:

    would you have preferred "preponderance"? end result is the same, smoke=fire. In one circumstance there's not even smoke to be seen. Clarified?

    Clear as mud.

    Two things that will define you: Your determination when you have nothing. Your attitude when you have everything. - Mike McCartney
  • Canton DawgC Canton Dawg

    I see “MSN” in the link...I won’t even bother with it.

    @canton-dawg said:

    I see “MSN” in the link...I won’t even bother with it.

    Breitbart: Construction Worker Sues Employer After Being Fired for Refusal to Attend Bible Study

    "That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • Canton DawgC Canton Dawg

    @clevfan4life said:

    actually, mandating a religion for terms of employment may infact violate some laws. But the allegation is that it was revealed to him after he was employed. One article i read said the company would not comment because of the pending court case

    That would depend if the company was private.

    You know, like Twitter, or Facebook.

    ☕️

    @canton-dawg said:

    That would depend if the company was private.

    You know, like Twitter, or Facebook.

    ☕️

    Partially true.

    There is something called the Ministerial exception in the Title VII anti-discrimination laws that allows religious institutions such as churches to selectively discriminate potential employees based on things like gender, sexual orientation and religious beliefs. However, I believe that exemption is for declared religious institutions; by all accounts, the employer in this particular case is a construction company and isn't an organized religious institution.

    "That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson
  • W Westside Steve

    @clevfan4life said:

    actually, mandating a religion for terms of employment may infact violate some laws. But the allegation is that it was revealed to him after he was employed. One article i read said the company would not comment because of the pending court case

    Oh I'm sure it's in violation of somebody's vision of church and state blah blah blah. And I will freely admit that I'm something of a hypocrite and the the double standard doesn't offend me all that much. It's still my belief that people who are part of mainstream religions are okay on the whole.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Oh I'm sure it's in violation of somebody's vision of church and state blah blah blah. And I will freely admit that I'm something of a hypocrite and the the double standard doesn't offend me all that much. It's still my belief that people who are part of mainstream religions are okay on the whole.

    WSS

    I'm positive that there are plenty of decent, good people out there who believe in ghosts and alien abductions as well; that doesn't mean I should be forced to wear tinfoil hats and go puttering around in abandoned buildings and cemeteries with night vision cameras and EMF meters with them either. ?

    "That which can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence”. - Christopher Hitchens "The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you". - Neil deGrasse Tyson

  • "the illusion will continue until we stop becoming afraid of death"...…..wow

  • Canton DawgC Canton Dawg

    I see “MSN” in the link...I won’t even bother with it.

    @canton-dawg said:

    I see “MSN” in the link...I won’t even bother with it.

    Ah, so Trump's anti-information crusade is working I see

    Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody!

  • I believe everyone should attend mandatory bibile study starting in Kindergarten up through 12th grade.  

    "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
  • DieHardBrownsFanD DieHardBrownsFan

    I believe everyone should attend mandatory bibile study starting in Kindergarten up through 12th grade.  

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    I believe everyone should attend mandatory bibile study starting in Kindergarten up through 12th grade.  

    I did till about sophomore year. It managed to make me firmly an atheist. Another plus was that it produced a lot of repressed ladies who weren’t allowed to go to health class. 

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  • LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    I believe everyone should attend mandatory bibile study starting in Kindergarten up through 12th grade.  

    I did till about sophomore year. It managed to make me firmly an atheist. Another plus was that it produced a lot of repressed ladies who weren’t allowed to go to health class. 

    @logicisforsquares said:

    I did till about sophomore year. It managed to make me firmly an atheist. Another plus was that it produced a lot of repressed ladies who weren’t allowed to go to health class. 

    I lasted until I was about 13 when I found myself looking around the room wondering if I was the only one who thought that it was all a bunch of bool sheet. 

    👍
  • LogicIsForSquaresL LogicIsForSquares

    @diehardbrownsfan said:

    I believe everyone should attend mandatory bibile study starting in Kindergarten up through 12th grade.  

    I did till about sophomore year. It managed to make me firmly an atheist. Another plus was that it produced a lot of repressed ladies who weren’t allowed to go to health class. 

    @logicisforsquares said:

    Another plus was that it produced a lot of repressed ladies who weren’t allowed to go to health class. 

    the guys from every hs in my hometown grew up knowing that the filthiest bar maidens were often to be found at a notorious all girls catholic school. 

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