OUR "Hard Knocks" Thread
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Far to many flashbacks for me..*At a much smaller scale* !! I was called by HC Dan Simrell in 1983 to attempt a walk on TE position with the Toledo Rockets. Than I was called by the TE position coach to return unie & playbook 1 day after the spring game..Played with QB's AJ Sager/Jim Kelso-RB-Mel Tucker.. The 2 TE's that won the position were Glenn Burch & Scott Kadish..on the stat line not very impressive, but the team records that followed were 9-2 & 8-3-1..It never leaves ya,including coaches & teammates..The true family connections of soon to be Mrs Roback and to MR. father Cajuste are so real.. Hard to watch for many, but HK did a great job capturing those moments throughout..Kudos & sure I'll be following what happens next..As a HC, I thought HueJax handled every player with respect in a tough spot for both..
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Well... Ep 5 just left me flat... a letdown on par with the final episode of The Sopranos.
Biggest thing for me... the Process guy... was catching barely a glimpse of our player evaluation process. Other than a little Dorsey/Hue huddle in the beginning and a little of Dorsey at a white board a little later... nada.
Then next it's Hue entering a room with his assembled staff to inform them of the cuts? Nary a hint of their involvement in the decision process.
Now all this could be editing by HBO/NFL Films, but it is more likely just how it is... we have a top down, autocratic organization and those can only be as good as the guy at the top.
Otherwise.... the contrast between Hue's "exit interviews" with cut players and those of past HK HCs was stark. Our "Mr.Nice Guy" practically had players apologizing to him for making him cut them...
... and no... the above is not a complement.
Biggest thing for me... the Process guy... was catching barely a glimpse of our player evaluation process. Other than a little Dorsey/Hue huddle in the beginning and a little of Dorsey at a white board a little later... nada.
Then next it's Hue entering a room with his assembled staff to inform them of the cuts? Nary a hint of their involvement in the decision process.
Now all this could be editing by HBO/NFL Films, but it is more likely just how it is... we have a top down, autocratic organization and those can only be as good as the guy at the top.
Call Eliot Wolf "The Turk"
as a assistant GM i had no issue with Wolf making the calls..Orch seemed to be just outside the building? maybe no faces, but the leading names were there..Dorsey,Wolf sit as the kings. as for the queens would be 3 VP's of player personnel Berry,Highsmith,Kovash.Direct College scouting=Steve Malin,Glenn Cook..Direct pro scouts=Dan Saganey,Jim Noel..i've googled each,not bad but still passing Dorsey testing..Would not surprise me at all, if Scot McCloughan running a scouting agency that we hired in Feb. replaces Berry or Depo at some point?
Browns & Buffett: Got to go fishin, Down to rock bottom again, with just a few Friends -
Soprano got wacked by the dude who went into the head before the screen went black. Deal with it.
"You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970. -
I thought it was a bummer of an episode.
Anyone notice Hue has a bowl of nothing on his office table? A big ol’ bowl with nothing in it.
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That scene made me wonder about our OL coach, Mr. Masarati. Why does another player have to notice this? Seems like they retain him for his barking belly.
You mean the DL coach.
You mean the DL coach.
Yes I did. I did not sleep much at all last night. I found out yesterday that my best friend from 11th grade in Venezuela had died just days before his 70th birthday. He's also a fellow Vietnam Vet and is buried in the Beaufort National Cemetery in S.C. I had talked to him for the first time in many years just a few short years ago and there was no mention of any health problems. RIP Mark Mulrain. A very good friend then and a good man all the rest of his life.
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Soprano got wacked by the dude who went into the head before the screen went black. Deal with it.
Soprano got wacked by the dude who went into the head before the screen went black. Deal with it.
Ah.......No
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Here's a little something for the table:
My Take: Don't stop believing ... Life goes on for Tony.
Ya, at some point he will bite it, but they aren't going to show it you, the series ends and Tony lives on in our minds...
Zombo said:
Here's a little something for the table:
My Take: Don't stop believing ... Life goes on for Tony.
Ya, at some point he will bite it, but they aren't going to show it you, the series ends and Tony lives on in our minds...
After the disastrous response from the loyal viewing public the creator,writer, producers realized and admitted they blew it!
Worst finale in TV history.
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This and articles like it kind of sum it up....... if you care to read it........ https://deadline.com/2007/06/thats-what-we-were-waiting-for-angry-fans-crash-hbo-website-2519/
MONDAY UPDATE: *The Sopranos creator David Chase, in France to avoid “all the Monday morning quarterbacking” gave an interviewabout the show’s ending. “I have no interest in explaining, defending, reinterpreting, or adding to what is there,” he says of the final scene. “No one was trying to be audacious, honest to god. We did what we thought we had to do. No one was trying to blow people’s minds, or thinking, ‘Wow, this’ll (tick) them off.’ People get the impression that you’re trying to (mess) with them and it’s not true. You’re trying to entertain them.” Chase agreed in advance to give one exclusive post-show interview to New Jersey’s Star-Ledger, which is printing it for Tuesday. After that, he intends to stay silent.*
SUNDAY PM: The line to cancel HBO starts here. What a ridiculously disappointing end lacking in creativity and filled with cowardice to The Sopranos saga. But if you’re one of those who found it perversely interesting, then don’t bother to read on. Even if David Chase, who wrote and directed the final episode, was demonstrating the existential and endless loop of Tony’s life or the moments before the hit that causes his death, it still robbed the audience of visual closure.
I am well aware of the internet chatter how the last episode all refers back to the first episode, as Chase himself said in an interview. To me, this is just a new version of listening to vinyl backwards and seeing if the words make sense! And if it were done to segue into a movie, that crass commercialism shouldn’t be tolerated. (MONDAY UPDATE: *I just checked with Chase’s manager and Sopranos‘ executive producer Brad Grey, who tells me that Chase is living in France and “just taking time off. There is absolutely no discussion of the movie.”*) There’s even buzz that the realending will only be available on the series’ final DVD. Either way, it was terrible. Apparently, my extreme reaction was typical of many series’ fans: they crashed HBO’s website for a time tonight trying to register their outrage. HBO could suffer a wave of cancellations as a result. (Already, the pay channel’s replacement series like John from Cincinnati are getting panned.) Chase clearly didn’t give a damn about his fans. Instead, he crapped in their faces. This is why America hates Hollywood........
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Biggest thing for me... the Process guy... was catching barely a glimpse of our player evaluation process. Other than a little Dorsey/Hue huddle in the beginning and a little of Dorsey at a white board a little later... nada.
Then next it's Hue entering a room with his assembled staff to inform them of the cuts? Nary a hint of their involvement in the decision process.
Now all this could be editing by HBO/NFL Films, but it is more likely just how it is... we have a top down, autocratic organization and those can only be as good as the guy at the top.
Call Eliot Wolf "The Turk"
as a assistant GM i had no issue with Wolf making the calls..Orch seemed to be just outside the building? maybe no faces, but the leading names were there..Dorsey,Wolf sit as the kings. as for the queens would be 3 VP's of player personnel Berry,Highsmith,Kovash.Direct College scouting=Steve Malin,Glenn Cook..Direct pro scouts=Dan Saganey,Jim Noel..i've googled each,not bad but still passing Dorsey testing..Would not surprise me at all, if Scot McCloughan running a scouting agency that we hired in Feb. replaces Berry or Depo at some point?
Call Eliot Wolf "The Turk"
as a assistant GM i had no issue with Wolf making the calls..Orch seemed to be just outside the building? maybe no faces, but the leading names were there..Dorsey,Wolf sit as the kings. as for the queens would be 3 VP's of player personnel Berry,Highsmith,Kovash.Direct College scouting=Steve Malin,Glenn Cook..Direct pro scouts=Dan Saganey,Jim Noel..i've googled each,not bad but still passing Dorsey testing..Would not surprise me at all, if Scot McCloughan running a scouting agency that we hired in Feb. replaces Berry or Depo at some point?
Hah, except "somebody" you know who- thinks Hue totally runs the show, is answerable to no one, and has put a magic spell on the Haslams making him fire proof.
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Zombo said:
It was hard watching the cuts. I'm sure HBO wanted one of their highlighted bubble guys to make it, but it's not just reality TV ... it's real.
I hope Orchard gets back on an NFL roster.
I think we'll see Brokeback and Cajuste in the spring league trying to get better ... I'll watch them.
On to the Steelers...
Zombo
--I have a feeling Todd Haley's offense is going to surprise some people.
Orchard deserves another shot as he obviously wasn't coached up by the Browns when he was switched from OLD to DE. Why do I say that? Myles Garrett teaching him the basics of his stance highlighted in this episode. Gregg Williams calling Ward stupid but couldn't pay attention to an OLB he switched positions.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Biggest thing for me... the Process guy... was catching barely a glimpse of our player evaluation process. Other than a little Dorsey/Hue huddle in the beginning and a little of Dorsey at a white board a little later... nada.
Then next it's Hue entering a room with his assembled staff to inform them of the cuts? Nary a hint of their involvement in the decision process.
Now all this could be editing by HBO/NFL Films, but it is more likely just how it is... we have a top down, autocratic organization and those can only be as good as the guy at the top.
Call Eliot Wolf "The Turk"
as a assistant GM i had no issue with Wolf making the calls..Orch seemed to be just outside the building? maybe no faces, but the leading names were there..Dorsey,Wolf sit as the kings. as for the queens would be 3 VP's of player personnel Berry,Highsmith,Kovash.Direct College scouting=Steve Malin,Glenn Cook..Direct pro scouts=Dan Saganey,Jim Noel..i've googled each,not bad but still passing Dorsey testing..Would not surprise me at all, if Scot McCloughan running a scouting agency that we hired in Feb. replaces Berry or Depo at some point?
Call Eliot Wolf "The Turk"
as a assistant GM i had no issue with Wolf making the calls..Orch seemed to be just outside the building? maybe no faces, but the leading names were there..Dorsey,Wolf sit as the kings. as for the queens would be 3 VP's of player personnel Berry,Highsmith,Kovash.Direct College scouting=Steve Malin,Glenn Cook..Direct pro scouts=Dan Saganey,Jim Noel..i've googled each,not bad but still passing Dorsey testing..Would not surprise me at all, if Scot McCloughan running a scouting agency that we hired in Feb. replaces Berry or Depo at some point?
So we cut a guy who was in during his off-day?
Problem was not with Wolf being the bad-news guy... it was making players drive to the facility. The team should have all been in the house.
Any interaction beyond Dorsey and Hue on the roster decisions is speculation. There was no video evidence.
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Call Eliot Wolf "The Turk"
as a assistant GM i had no issue with Wolf making the calls..Orch seemed to be just outside the building? maybe no faces, but the leading names were there..Dorsey,Wolf sit as the kings. as for the queens would be 3 VP's of player personnel Berry,Highsmith,Kovash.Direct College scouting=Steve Malin,Glenn Cook..Direct pro scouts=Dan Saganey,Jim Noel..i've googled each,not bad but still passing Dorsey testing..Would not surprise me at all, if Scot McCloughan running a scouting agency that we hired in Feb. replaces Berry or Depo at some point?
So we cut a guy who was in during his off-day?
Problem was not with Wolf being the bad-news guy... it was making players drive to the facility. The team should have all been in the house.
Any interaction beyond Dorsey and Hue on the roster decisions is speculation. There was no video evidence.
So we cut a guy who was in during his off-day?
Problem was not with Wolf being the bad-news guy... it was making players drive to the facility. The team should have all been in the house.
Any interaction beyond Dorsey and Hue on the roster decisions is speculation. There was no video evidence.
Except for Wolf talking to Cajuste whom he knew in GB.
Never mind. I misread your post. You said "on roster decisions", which is different than showing bad news interactions.
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Zombo said:
That's why they all got the call to see the Wolf.
a/k/a "Mr Unfortunately"... as in, "Unfortunately we need you to come in today."
Every other HK team I can remember had the guys in the building pumping iron, getting treatment, etc... and we "called them in"... literally. Did not sit well with me.
a/k/a "Mr Unfortunately"... as in, "Unfortunately we need you to come in today."
Every other HK team I can remember had the guys in the building pumping iron, getting treatment, etc... and we "called them in"... literally. Did not sit well with me.
I think this has more to do with the newish cut-down rules. In previous years the cuts were mid training camp. This has removed some of the unexpected mid-training camp cuts that made for great tv, but a little harsh on the human side.
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a/k/a "Mr Unfortunately"... as in, "Unfortunately we need you to come in today."
Every other HK team I can remember had the guys in the building pumping iron, getting treatment, etc... and we "called them in"... literally. Did not sit well with me.
I think this has more to do with the newish cut-down rules. In previous years the cuts were mid training camp. This has removed some of the unexpected mid-training camp cuts that made for great tv, but a little harsh on the human side.
I think this has more to do with the newish cut-down rules. In previous years the cuts were mid training camp. This has removed some of the unexpected mid-training camp cuts that made for great tv, but a little harsh on the human side.
Point taken...
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I cant speak to the various experiences of the people on the board but I personally have had to let people go. There is no good way or great thing to say to do it best or make it better. Often people stick to a script both because of that as well as to insure they don't set up potential law suits on anything said during the meeting.
I found the episode hard to watch seeing its impact on players dreams and their families. It is a necessary thing but disturbing to watch none the less.
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I cant speak to the various experiences of the people on the board but I personally have had to let people go. There is no good way or great thing to say to do it best or make it better. Often people stick to a script both because of that as well as to insure they don't set up potential law suits on anything said during the meeting.
I found the episode hard to watch seeing its impact on players dreams and their families. It is a necessary thing but disturbing to watch none the less.
I cant speak to the various experiences of the people on the board but I personally have had to let people go. There is no good way or great thing to say to do it best or make it better. Often people stick to a script both because of that as well as to insure they don't set up potential law suits on anything set during the meeting.
I found the episode hard to watch seeing its impact on players dreams and their families. It is a necessary thing but disturbing to watch none the less.
Especially when you are more aware of how they and their families put their heart and soul into becoming pro players for the Browns. What more could any of us ask of our players? Thank you.
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havent seen it yet, how did nassib take it? didnt he get snapped up by someone anyway?
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I hated the Sopranos finale for years but once you actually understand it, it’s brilliant. I think the reason David Chase hasn’t said what happened is because it’s so obvious he’s mad at everyone for not getting it. There’s a pattern in the final scene that keeps showing different POVs, including Tony’s. We always get Tony’s POV as someone’s walking in. As soon as the suspected murderer walked in, it was time in the pattern to get Tony’s POV again. We got black instead. He died.
Except that I think it was merely his daughter that came in, to join the family for dinner. The series ended with that family just having a nice dinner together, and that's it. That's my opinion, and I am sticking to it.
Except that I think it was merely his daughter that came in, to join the family for dinner. The series ended with that family just having a nice dinner together, and that's it. That's my opinion, and I am sticking to it.
Then that would be incredibly lame.
Soprano got wacked by the dude who went into the head before the screen went black. Deal with it.
That’s what I said.
Zombo said:
Here's a little something for the table:
My Take: Don't stop believing ... Life goes on for Tony.
Ya, at some point he will bite it, but they aren't going to show it you, the series ends and Tony lives on in our minds...
How do you refute what I posted?
After the disastrous response from the loyal viewing public the creator,writer, producers realized and admitted they blew it!
Worst finale in TV history.
Lol no they didn’t (either blow it or admit they did).
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