Why was the run defense so bad?
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Ogbah came back in after getting his ankle retaped
but then he went back out. Im not syre ge took a single snap in the 2nd half. If he did it was very limited. Avery was LDE most of the half, and he was the one who strpped ben. But his run d is nonexistent. He's a raw edge rush talent, not a complete player yet
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ofc it missed danny, but honestly jamie and ogunjobi would have sufficed. hard to understand why meder was cut. But also the left edge was obliterated most of the game. OL were just pulling through there at will on their way to seeking out a LB'er. Cant stop the run like that.
ofc it missed danny, but honestly jamie and ogunjobi would have sufficed. hard to understand why meder was cut. But also the left edge was obliterated most of the game. OL were just pulling through there at will on their way to seeking out a LB'er. Cant stop the run like that.
Nassib might have been a sub par pass rusher but he held up the edge and slid laterally into the run lanes exceptionally well
Agree... Dorsey has opted for increased Pass pressure over run stuffing.
Not going to fix everything in one season.
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ofc it missed danny, but honestly jamie and ogunjobi would have sufficed. hard to understand why meder was cut. But also the left edge was obliterated most of the game. OL were just pulling through there at will on their way to seeking out a LB'er. Cant stop the run like that.
Nassib might have been a sub par pass rusher but he held up the edge and slid laterally into the run lanes exceptionally well
Agree... Dorsey has opted for increased Pass pressure over run stuffing.
Not going to fix everything in one season.
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Didn't we like pick up 3 defensive linemen right after the cuts were made? And did any of them contribute anything at all? Devaroe, Davis, Zettel?
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Didn't we like pick up 3 defensive linemen right after the cuts were made? And did any of them contribute anything at all? Devaroe, Davis, Zettel?
Didn't we like pick up 3 defensive linemen right after the cuts were made? And did any of them contribute anything at all? Devaroe, Davis, Zettel?
New DLs Zettel and Odenigbo were inactivated for week 1.
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odenigbo looks like another pure pass rusher, not sure we should expect any edge presence from him when he dies get in. All i want from him is giving myles rest. Dear god we're gonna wear myles out so bad. We gutted our DE rotation so i knew if sonething happened just to ogbah, we were gonna have major issues....and if myles gets hurt, i can assure everyone we're a solid lock for the #1 pick. We're a lock for a top 5 pick anyway cause neither tyrod nor baker are gonna make it to the end of the season.
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are there mulligans in the nfl? like can we call tampa and say hi, nice opening day win but oh btw we're gonna need carl back?
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Didn't we like pick up 3 defensive linemen right after the cuts were made? And did any of them contribute anything at all? Devaroe, Davis, Zettel?
New DLs Zettel and Odenigbo were inactivated for week 1.
New DLs Zettel and Odenigbo were inactivated for week 1.
Wait, then.....that makes 4 DL picked up at the very last minute? Right? Zettlel, Davis, Devaroe and Oden?
In my opinion, a Defensive Line is very similar to an offensive line, especially when it comes to run defense. There must be some continuity, and they must know their assignments and the gap responsibilities. And, while, yes, the starters have all been here a while, Garrett, Ogbah, Coley, Ogunjobi, still, with DL rotations, I still think continuity is required.
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Sadly some of the bigger gains were the Steelers using our over-aggressiveness to the weakside/open end.
The first one @ :30 seconds wasn't the greatest fill by Collins either. Then the problem with having an off-ball MIKE backer is that if he flows laterally one way, it's awfully hard to make up for the lost ground the other. That aside, Myles realizes he got upfield too quickly and then fought to get back around and stay square.
Another @ :40 demonstrates what I'm talking about with Schobert. He isn't your classic downhill backer. A few seconds into that frame you'll see the alley, Joe stops, plants his feet and kills his motion. For those that complained about D'qwell Jackson, this should look familiar. As a backer you can't sit there and wait because you're going to get Shmucked up with a RB gaining even more steam. A little snag on MG stopped him from cleaning Conner sideways. Zebra's need to keep an eye on that.
The next one @ :53 I called live. Went at the strength/Myles and brought the guard. General rule you follow the pull, especially if you haven't seen any RPO's or assignment conflicts. Which isn't a tendency the Steelers have in the RZ. First Shmuck up was on MG - you see the pull you blow it up. Don't wait for it to get to you. Run defense is unselfish football. Second Shmuck up was... #26? Is that Kindred? I have no idea what he was playing here or why he followed the TE on the seal/pin. It's a monumentally dumb read because he knows that is HIS gap. Again, boils down to assignment football and being unselfish. Hold your gap, fill and rally to the ball carrier.
The others to close out the first half were good calls by the Steelers on the draw, going after an over-aggressive Williams using a variety of 5 man pressures
The next run Conner almost scored on was @ 1:20. Same god damn gun/pull look he scored on previously. Minus the fact the TE looked for the SLB/Contain and the guard was leading through. We appeared to be out leveraged before the play even happened.
The big one I'm talking about that teams will use against us moving forward is @ 1:33.
Once again going at Myles as the WSE/Open end. This is a designed cutback the whole way and even if it wasn't, our interior line was blown TF up. We simply lack interior lineman to consistently anchor and hold the point it appears. Of course by this point the defense had been out there quite a bit so I'm sure some fatigue was setting in. On a base block usually you'll double the 1-tech then the center or guard will disengage and peel to the second level. Pittsburgh never had to bother with that, they went right for the backers never having to even throw a double. Myles gets a step or too far upfield and the design is there when Collins fills against the lead. Not winning on the interior and being over-aggressive on the edge. MG will need to show discipline moving forward with that. Reminds me of a kid I played with, Joey (won't use his last name) 6'4 225, long butt arms. Could beat a TE and get around the edge like a MoFo. He just couldn't hold his ground and didn't enjoy contact so teams ran right at him.
The next few runs are displays of not breaking down, not playing your assignment/gap, arriving to the ball carrier not under control and our DB's not attacking their lanes with heads up football and quality tackling. This is on coach Williams. Aggressive is good, over aggressive is why the designed cutbacks and counter pulls will eat his defenses alive. We also lack a true anchor in the middle. Something I was hoping Danny would continue, maybe we would sign Hankins for but perhaps the answer is already on roster with Carl Davis.
Either way, assignment gap sound football and understanding you need to earn those pass rushing snaps is what this team needs to drill into their head.
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are there mulligans in the nfl? like can we call tampa and say hi, nice opening day win but oh btw we're gonna need carl back?
are there mulligans in the nfl? like can we call tampa and say hi, nice opening day win but oh btw we're gonna need carl back?
Well.....as far as TB is concerned.....there WAS talk that maybe Ryan Fitzpatrick would be the veteran "Bridge" QB that we would bring in here, rather than TT. But they did not go that route.
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what stood out to be on the run at 1:33 was thatbyeah myles might be upfield a little too much, but he does funnel the run inside. Collins gets the lead block but its schobert that got swallowed up by the center. Not good. As a mlb'er u have to slide off to a side. You read the FB...The fb was going left so schobert should have ripped to his right. Ibstead he engages straight up with the center, and thats that.
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on the very next play which is a TD run, dear god look at the penetration to the 2nd level that the steers o line gets. This is precisely what didnt happen last year with danny and jamie up the middle.
I dont know, i guess this is where i part ways with williams on defensive philosophy. You keep ur two gap monster, u keep the guy who can do 1 or 2 gap (jamie), and u rotate in other guys who might be more one gapping penetrators.
First impressions feel like instead of building on a strength last year, we tore it up to be pass rush pass rush pass rush. When other teams, like the steelers...managed throughout the years to do both. Its not like we had some massively overpaid coksuckers on the line either that we had to get rid of for cap concerns. Makes no sense.
teams now are gonna do exactly what u do to a gifted pass rusher, u run at him..negate his pass rushing. And we really dont have an opposite edge to make them pay for that. Nassib at least ran down those runs at myles from behind. We had a DL could affect the play like an extra LB'er from the other side of the field.That game footage tiamat put up just reinforced my initial smell test when i heard of the cuts
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what stood out to be on the run at 1:33 was thatbyeah myles might be upfield a little too much, but he does funnel the run inside. Collins gets the lead block but its schobert that got swallowed up by the center. Not good. As a mlb'er u have to slide off to a side. You read the FB...The fb was going left so schobert should have ripped to his right. Ibstead he engages straight up with the center, and thats that.
what stood out to be on the run at 1:33 was thatbyeah myles might be upfield a little too much, but he does funnel the run inside. Collins gets the lead block but its schobert that got swallowed up by the center. Not good. As a mlb'er u have to slide off to a side. You read the FB...The fb was going left so schobert should have ripped to his right. Ibstead he engages straight up with the center, and thats that.
I don't think Schobert had a chance to engage the center or not but as an off ball MIKE he is going to have to be quicker laterally than that.
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I repeat: Four Defensive Linemen on this team who had not been with them for a week.....no matter how good (and remember, they were cut by other teams....so how good are they)....cannot help.
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Sadly some of the bigger gains were the Steelers using our over-aggressiveness to the weakside/open end.
The first one @ :30 seconds wasn't the greatest fill by Collins either. Then the problem with having an off-ball MIKE backer is that if he flows laterally one way, it's awfully hard to make up for the lost ground the other. That aside, Myles realizes he got upfield too quickly and then fought to get back around and stay square.
Another @ :40 demonstrates what I'm talking about with Schobert. He isn't your classic downhill backer. A few seconds into that frame you'll see the alley, Joe stops, plants his feet and kills his motion. For those that complained about D'qwell Jackson, this should look familiar. As a backer you can't sit there and wait because you're going to get Shmucked up with a RB gaining even more steam. A little snag on MG stopped him from cleaning Conner sideways. Zebra's need to keep an eye on that.
The next one @ :53 I called live. Went at the strength/Myles and brought the guard. General rule you follow the pull, especially if you haven't seen any RPO's or assignment conflicts. Which isn't a tendency the Steelers have in the RZ. First Shmuck up was on MG - you see the pull you blow it up. Don't wait for it to get to you. Run defense is unselfish football. Second Shmuck up was... #26? Is that Kindred? I have no idea what he was playing here or why he followed the TE on the seal/pin. It's a monumentally dumb read because he knows that is HIS gap. Again, boils down to assignment football and being unselfish. Hold your gap, fill and rally to the ball carrier.
The others to close out the first half were good calls by the Steelers on the draw, going after an over-aggressive Williams using a variety of 5 man pressures
The next run Conner almost scored on was @ 1:20. Same god damn gun/pull look he scored on previously. Minus the fact the TE looked for the SLB/Contain and the guard was leading through. We appeared to be out leveraged before the play even happened.
The big one I'm talking about that teams will use against us moving forward is @ 1:33.
Once again going at Myles as the WSE/Open end. This is a designed cutback the whole way and even if it wasn't, our interior line was blown TF up. We simply lack interior lineman to consistently anchor and hold the point it appears. Of course by this point the defense had been out there quite a bit so I'm sure some fatigue was setting in. On a base block usually you'll double the 1-tech then the center or guard will disengage and peel to the second level. Pittsburgh never had to bother with that, they went right for the backers never having to even throw a double. Myles gets a step or too far upfield and the design is there when Collins fills against the lead. Not winning on the interior and being over-aggressive on the edge. MG will need to show discipline moving forward with that. Reminds me of a kid I played with, Joey (won't use his last name) 6'4 225, long butt arms. Could beat a TE and get around the edge like a MoFo. He just couldn't hold his ground and didn't enjoy contact so teams ran right at him.
The next few runs are displays of not breaking down, not playing your assignment/gap, arriving to the ball carrier not under control and our DB's not attacking their lanes with heads up football and quality tackling. This is on coach Williams. Aggressive is good, over aggressive is why the designed cutbacks and counter pulls will eat his defenses alive. We also lack a true anchor in the middle. Something I was hoping Danny would continue, maybe we would sign Hankins for but perhaps the answer is already on roster with Carl Davis.
Either way, assignment gap sound football and understanding you need to earn those pass rushing snaps is what this team needs to drill into their head.
Sadly some of the bigger gains were the Steelers using our over-aggressiveness to the weakside/open end.
MG ran himself out of a number of plays early. I did not notice it so much later.
Old rule of thumb for Offenses: Run at speed and away from strength.
We saw it Sunday and will see it many times this season. MG is going to be run at a lot.
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what stood out to be on the run at 1:33 was thatbyeah myles might be upfield a little too much, but he does funnel the run inside. Collins gets the lead block but its schobert that got swallowed up by the center. Not good. As a mlb'er u have to slide off to a side. You read the FB...The fb was going left so schobert should have ripped to his right. Ibstead he engages straight up with the center, and thats that.
I don't think Schobert had a chance to engage the center or not but as an off ball MIKE he is going to have to be quicker laterally than that.
I don't think Schobert had a chance to engage the center or not but as an off ball MIKE he is going to have to be quicker laterally than that.
he's strong enough to engage/disengage with OL because of his days as a 34 olb'er...but he doesnt get that thise nano seconds of engagement take him out of the play.
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Sadly some of the bigger gains were the Steelers using our over-aggressiveness to the weakside/open end.
MG ran himself out of a number of plays early. I did not notice it so much later.
Old rule of thumb for Offenses: Run at speed and away from strength.
We saw it Sunday and will see it many times this season. MG is going to be run at a lot.
MG ran himself out of a number of plays early. I did not notice it so much later.
Old rule of thumb for Offenses: Run at speed and away from strength.
We saw it Sunday and will see it many times this season. MG is going to be run at a lot.
last year he had jamie or danny fighting into that off guard gap. Now its a giant hole u can drive cars through. I like edges that get upfield enough to turn the runs inside, but then the interior guys gave to do their jobs. Jamie took on the lead block and no other lb'er showed up.
We might have to tell myles to read run first. As we saw yesterday, teams can still put up a bunch of points on u with the run. Gotta stop the run
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I don't think Schobert had a chance to engage the center or not but as an off ball MIKE he is going to have to be quicker laterally than that.
he's strong enough to engage/disengage with OL because of his days as a 34 olb'er...but he doesnt get that thise nano seconds of engagement take him out of the play.
he's strong enough to engage/disengage with OL because of his days as a 34 olb'er...but he doesnt get that thise nano seconds of engagement take him out of the play.
Not sure about this... remember he trimmed down significantly in prep for his move inside last season.
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