5 Observations from "The Tie"
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Well if the Browns lose next Sunday.. I won't be surprised if the wheels start spinning and the countdown on Hue's inevitable ouster begins... Because what I saw out there still looks unorganized...
For sure, but the other countdown will probably on TTs time as a starting QB.
I mean, yes, conditions were bad, but 15/40 is only 37.5%....and it not like he was taking a ton of chances downfield in this rain. If not for being a Black Tarkenton and running a lot, he would have been considered to have had a disastrous day.
Fair to say?
For sure, but the other countdown will probably on TTs time as a starting QB.
I mean, yes, conditions were bad, but 15/40 is only 37.5%....and it not like he was taking a ton of chances downfield in this rain. If not for being a Black Tarkenton and running a lot, he would have been considered to have had a disastrous day.
Fair to say?
No argument.. However.. This is year 3 under Hue's stewardship.. I see no improvement by way of penalties.. This to me is a clear indicator Hue lacks discipline and leadership... I understand that he's not out there playing.. But this is uncalled for and unacceptable.... Somewhere down the line there has to be accountability.. So far Hue has been nothing but a back stabbing , caniving fool who loves to pass the blame...
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I will be honest. Even if we had won this game in OT like we should have, this game would have left me with a very bad taste in my mouth. The win would have lessened it, but it would still be there. Here are my observations.
1. Defense sucked other than the turnover game.. You cannot build a good defense on the hope you strip a ball or snag an INT. A rookie RB ran through us like butter yet again. God only knows if they would have burned us in the long game if it weren't raining.. It was an exciting defense, but they better address it fast. I cannot stand to watch another year of people running through us like a sieve.
More to come.
I will be honest. Even if we had won this game in OT like we should have, this game would have left me with a very bad taste in my mouth. The win would have lessened it, but it would still be there. Here are my observations.
1. Defense sucked other than the turnover game.. You cannot build a good defense on the hope you strip a ball or snag an INT. A rookie RB ran through us like butter yet again. God only knows if they would have burned us in the long game if it weren't raining.. It was an exciting defense, but they better address it fast. I cannot stand to watch another year of people running through us like a sieve.
More to come.
Like I've said over and over, it's not the RB. It's the Steelers Oline. Doesn't matter if Leveon or Conner is in the game. Or their 3rd string RB.
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2. Offensive play calling sucked butt yet again. It's like last year all over again. Conservative when you should take risks, inexplicable risks when you should be conservative. Shmucking delayed hand offs and screen plays that went nowhere.. Overall the playcalling was predictable and infuriating.
3. Special teams sucked.. I am a Michigan fan through and through, but it might be time to admit Peppers has no place on this team. It was inexcusable of him to kneel on the 40 yard line with no one within 25 yards. Had he returned it even just 15 or 20 yards, the whole dynamic of that last drive changes. The whole game he was standing off the line like he was defending a punt return or something... Blocked field goal, nearly ever special teams play resulted in a flag on either us or them..
The whole game was sloppy and painful to watch. Because they showed so much grit in coming back, they have earned me watching one more game next sunday.. I literally tore my jersey off and was getting ready to chuck it in the trash when Conner fumbled and started that whole Shmucked up series of events....
We didn't deserve that tie based on our play.. It was pure luck and grit that got us there instead of steady and dominant play from play 1 of the 1st quarter.
I AM SICK OF NOT DOMINATING GAMES... We deserve better.
BobPound!
2. Offensive play calling sucked butt yet again. It's like last year all over again. Conservative when you should take risks, inexplicable risks when you should be conservative. Shmucking delayed hand offs and screen plays that went nowhere.. Overall the playcalling was predictable and infuriating.
3. Special teams sucked.. I am a Michigan fan through and through, but it might be time to admit Peppers has no place on this team. It was inexcusable of him to kneel on the 40 yard line with no one within 25 yards. Had he returned it even just 15 or 20 yards, the whole dynamic of that last drive changes. The whole game he was standing off the line like he was defending a punt return or something... Blocked field goal, nearly ever special teams play resulted in a flag on either us or them..
You should be thankful that peppers got the turnover off Conners and took it to the 1yd line for our TD.
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2. Offensive play calling sucked butt yet again. It's like last year all over again. Conservative when you should take risks, inexplicable risks when you should be conservative. Shmucking delayed hand offs and screen plays that went nowhere.. Overall the playcalling was predictable and infuriating.
3. Special teams sucked.. I am a Michigan fan through and through, but it might be time to admit Peppers has no place on this team. It was inexcusable of him to kneel on the 40 yard line with no one within 25 yards. Had he returned it even just 15 or 20 yards, the whole dynamic of that last drive changes. The whole game he was standing off the line like he was defending a punt return or something... Blocked field goal, nearly ever special teams play resulted in a flag on either us or them..
The whole game was sloppy and painful to watch. Because they showed so much grit in coming back, they have earned me watching one more game next sunday.. I literally tore my jersey off and was getting ready to chuck it in the trash when Conner fumbled and started that whole Shmucked up series of events....
We didn't deserve that tie based on our play.. It was pure luck and grit that got us there instead of steady and dominant play from play 1 of the 1st quarter.
I AM SICK OF NOT DOMINATING GAMES... We deserve better.
BobPound!
Bottom line ---Steelers handed game to us on a silver platter---"Take it, we don't want it!"--and we Brownsed it up.
Once again--stop me if you've heard this one---undisciplined play---two procedure calls IN A ROW turn 3rd and 3 into 'Punt team, you're up'. Stop Steelers on 3rd down in red zone but surprise! stupid-butt penalty gives them a first down. At the end of OT Schobert runs interception inside the 5 but surprise! stupid, unneccesary penalty brings it back.
Hue says they have to clean up the mistakes, but this is the same shite we've watched for the last 10 years. Stupid, unneccesary penalties at crucial times continuously negate any positive play on the field.
Also, for the last 2 weeks I've heard about how our revamped receiving corps was going to take advantage of a weak Steeler secondary. But all day I hear the announcers saying over and over about how no one was getting open.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Bottom line ---Steelers handed game to us on a silver platter---"Take it, we don't want it!"--and we Brownsed it up.
I"m so sick of hearing the "Brownsed it up" talk. You sound a lot like the media. We should be looking at this as a growing team. You have to creep before you crawl and we still have the youngest team in the NFL. First time in 13 years we didn't lose the first game and you guys are still whining. I'll take the tie and move on to the Saints.
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You can't make this stuff up:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/josh-gordon-wasnt-supposed-start-week-1-browns-screwed-224644231.html
You can't make this stuff up:
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/josh-gordon-wasnt-supposed-start-week-1-browns-screwed-224644231.html
Something aint right here. Haley had to hear hue say gordon isnt starting for over a week.
And are the first 10 plays scripted??? Shouldnt this have been known ahead of time?
Hue sounded confused post game. There is a bigger story here.
Also...up until 7 minutes left in the game...it looked alot like last year.
More I think about it...more confused I get.
And is it me or does hue always have that dumb confused squinty look on his face after every flag or bad play?
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A big problem I have with Taylor is he can't throw the deep out ,let alone hit the broad side of a garage.. If a QB can't hit the deep out.. I have no use for him...
Agree with those above commenting on TT's lack of comfort in pocket. Yes, the OL did little to give him comfort, but he had "happy-feet" very early.
A big problem I have with Taylor is he can't throw the deep out ,let alone hit the broad side of a garage.. If a QB can't hit the deep out.. I have no use for him...
Agree... TT is simply a medium armed QB... kinda Hoyer-esque... and the conditions magnified his lack of a strong arm.
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For sure, but the other countdown will probably on TTs time as a starting QB.
I mean, yes, conditions were bad, but 15/40 is only 37.5%....and it not like he was taking a ton of chances downfield in this rain. If not for being a Black Tarkenton and running a lot, he would have been considered to have had a disastrous day.
Fair to say?
Just can't hardly wait for the return of Ghoolie after his time out. Black Tarkenton indeed. He may have trouble seeing the field (Stan said he missed seeing a lot of guys that were wide open). Therefore, holds on to the ball too long, and has to use his feet to bail out of trouble when the pocket collapses. But put the blame on the o-line for some of his running, they weren't exactly giving him a lot of time, giving up seven sacks.
Any of his posts referring to Garrett as a Zumba instructor are gonna get deleted. Myles played like the #1 overall pick in the draft yesterday. Some of those holding calls the Steelers racked up were due to that's the only way they were stopping Myles. BTW, the reffing sucked in that game- should have been a PI in the end zone earlier. Gordon had his guy beat, and the Pittsburgh defender essentially had Flash in a headlock- no call.
Just can't hardly wait for the return of Ghoolie after his time out. Black Tarkenton indeed. He may have trouble seeing the field (Stan said he missed seeing a lot of guys that were wide open). Therefore, holds on to the ball too long, and has to use his feet to bail out of trouble when the pocket collapses. But put the blame on the o-line for some of his running, they weren't exactly giving him a lot of time, giving up seven sacks.
Any of his posts referring to Garrett as a Zumba instructor are gonna get deleted. Myles played like the #1 overall pick in the draft yesterday. Some of those holding calls the Steelers racked up were due to that's the only way they were stopping Myles. BTW, the reffing sucked in that game- should have been a PI in the end zone earlier. Gordon had his guy beat, and the Pittsburgh defender essentially had Flash in a headlock- no call.
There were missed calls on both sides and bad calls on both sides. The influx of personal foul penalties are going to have us all pulling our hair out.
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Bottom line ---Steelers handed game to us on a silver platter---"Take it, we don't want it!"--and we Brownsed it up.
I"m so sick of hearing the "Brownsed it up" talk. You sound a lot like the media. We should be looking at this as a growing team. You have to creep before you crawl and we still have the youngest team in the NFL. First time in 13 years we didn't lose the first game and you guys are still whining. I'll take the tie and move on to the Saints.
I"m so sick of hearing the "Brownsed it up" talk. You sound a lot like the media. We should be looking at this as a growing team. You have to creep before you crawl and we still have the youngest team in the NFL. First time in 13 years we didn't lose the first game and you guys are still whining. I'll take the tie and move on to the Saints.
No, I sound like someone who has watched the same shite for the last 5 years. Turning second and 3 into 3rd-and-we-can't-see-that-far. Defense makes a big play to get off the field and a stupid penalty gives the other team a first down inside the 5. A big turnover deep into opposing territory but a stupid penalty brings it back. You don't have to be a 5-year veteran to get the fukking snap count--two times in a row. You don't have to be a veteran to know not to block someone in the back.
Undisciplined play. Year after year.
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Just can't hardly wait for the return of Ghoolie after his time out. Black Tarkenton indeed. He may have trouble seeing the field (Stan said he missed seeing a lot of guys that were wide open). Therefore, holds on to the ball too long, and has to use his feet to bail out of trouble when the pocket collapses. But put the blame on the o-line for some of his running, they weren't exactly giving him a lot of time, giving up seven sacks.
Any of his posts referring to Garrett as a Zumba instructor are gonna get deleted. Myles played like the #1 overall pick in the draft yesterday. Some of those holding calls the Steelers racked up were due to that's the only way they were stopping Myles. BTW, the reffing sucked in that game- should have been a PI in the end zone earlier. Gordon had his guy beat, and the Pittsburgh defender essentially had Flash in a headlock- no call.
There were missed calls on both sides and bad calls on both sides. The influx of personal foul penalties are going to have us all pulling our hair out.
There were missed calls on both sides and bad calls on both sides. The influx of personal foul penalties are going to have us all pulling our hair out.
There are always missed calls. Haden's "mugging" for Gordon was one of them.
As for the feared onslaught of targeting calls... I only saw one yesterday and it was deserved. Defender was properly ejected.
My hair will stay where it is... it doesn't need my help accelerating a well-established process.
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There were missed calls on both sides and bad calls on both sides. The influx of personal foul penalties are going to have us all pulling our hair out.
There are always missed calls. Haden's "mugging" for Gordon was one of them.
As for the feared onslaught of targeting calls... I only saw one yesterday and it was deserved. Defender was properly ejected.
My hair will stay where it is... it doesn't need my help accelerating a well-established process.
There are always missed calls. Haden's "mugging" for Gordon was one of them.
As for the feared onslaught of targeting calls... I only saw one yesterday and it was deserved. Defender was properly ejected.
My hair will stay where it is... it doesn't need my help accelerating a well-established process.
I think it is more the "roughing the QB" penalties where it looks like a DL hits the QB...not late, not in the head, not in the knees, but just lands on him..and that's it. Not slamming him to the ground. Just a good form tackle....and they call it roughing. It happened to Garrett, to a Bengals guy and a couple of others. So, unless they just make a rule "don't hit the QB", I don't know how a defender is supposed to play.
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So, they say a tie is like kissing your sister. I guess so. Of course, that statement has a whole different meaning in Cleveland than it does in Pittsburgh. In Cleveland, its considered disgusting.....in Pittsburgh, it is considered a sexually arousing event.
So...clearly.....they are MUCH happier in Pittsburgh about this tie than we are in Cleveland.
Fair to say?
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And, while the thought of kissing my sister is disgusting, the thought of other sister kissing does not put me off that much.
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We'll have a better idea where the Browns are this coming Sunday Mark. Indoor conditions- and the Saints are going to be in a foul mood blowing that game to the Bucs. As one guy commented- at least 25% of the Survivor pools got blown up after that upset.
I agree. Saints offense is still great but man that defense blows. 48 to the Bucs?? That's just not good at all.
I agree. Saints offense is still great but man that defense blows. 48 to the Bucs?? That's just not good at all.
The Bucs are pretty loaded on offense with Jackson, Evans, OJ Howard, Brate, Godwin
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There were missed calls on both sides and bad calls on both sides. The influx of personal foul penalties are going to have us all pulling our hair out.
There are always missed calls. Haden's "mugging" for Gordon was one of them.
As for the feared onslaught of targeting calls... I only saw one yesterday and it was deserved. Defender was properly ejected.
My hair will stay where it is... it doesn't need my help accelerating a well-established process.
As for the feared onslaught of targeting calls... I only saw one yesterday and it was deserved. Defender was properly ejected.
I assume you're referring to the hit the Bengals player laid on Andrew Luck. Agreed, the guy rightly got tossed for that one...
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My biggest takeaway was this, after my liver was finishing its process... Fourth quarter came around and I said well.... same old Browns. Then the fourth quarter played out... and not quite so much. The game would not have been worth watching if it was the same old Browns. I’ll wait and see what the O looks like when it’s not pouring rain the entire game. That O line though........
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The Bucs are pretty loaded on offense with Jackson, Evans, OJ Howard, Brate, Godwin
Yup... not to mention that Fitz has a history of getting very hot in any given game... he just doesn't sustain the heat.
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I"m so sick of hearing the "Brownsed it up" talk. You sound a lot like the media. We should be looking at this as a growing team. You have to creep before you crawl and we still have the youngest team in the NFL. First time in 13 years we didn't lose the first game and you guys are still whining. I'll take the tie and move on to the Saints.
No, I sound like someone who has watched the same shite for the last 5 years. Turning second and 3 into 3rd-and-we-can't-see-that-far. Defense makes a big play to get off the field and a stupid penalty gives the other team a first down inside the 5. A big turnover deep into opposing territory but a stupid penalty brings it back. You don't have to be a 5-year veteran to get the fukking snap count--two times in a row. You don't have to be a veteran to know not to block someone in the back.
Undisciplined play. Year after year.
No, I sound like someone who has watched the same shite for the last 5 years. Turning second and 3 into 3rd-and-we-can't-see-that-far. Defense makes a big play to get off the field and a stupid penalty gives the other team a first down inside the 5. A big turnover deep into opposing territory but a stupid penalty brings it back. You don't have to be a 5-year veteran to get the fukking snap count--two times in a row. You don't have to be a veteran to know not to block someone in the back.
Undisciplined play. Year after year.
Year after year tells you something. Us getting a different coach after 2 years is a big problem. We'll never have any consistency until we keep a coach around at least 5 years.
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The Bucs are pretty loaded on offense with Jackson, Evans, OJ Howard, Brate, Godwin
Of course who would have said that before the season started ?
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The Bucs are pretty loaded on offense with Jackson, Evans, OJ Howard, Brate, Godwin
Of course who would have said that before the season started ?
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