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5 Observations from "The Tie"

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  • @hoorta said:

    We'll have a better idea where the Browns are this coming Sunday Mark. Indoor conditions- and the Saints are going to be in a foul mood blowing that game to the Bucs. As one guy commented- at least 25% of the Survivor pools got blown up after that upset. 

    I agree.   Saints offense is still great but man that defense blows.   48 to the Bucs??   That's just not good at all.

    @mark-o said:

    I agree.   Saints offense is still great but man that defense blows.   48 to the Bucs??   That's just not good at all.

    The Bucs are pretty loaded on offense with Jackson, Evans, OJ Howard, Brate, Godwin

  • @vagitron said:

    There were missed calls on both sides and bad calls on both sides. The influx of personal foul penalties are going to have us all pulling our hair out.

    There are always missed calls. Haden's "mugging" for Gordon was one of them.

    As for the feared onslaught of targeting calls... I only saw one yesterday and it was deserved. Defender was properly ejected.

    My hair will stay where it is... it doesn't need my help accelerating a well-established process.

    @tour2ma said:

    As for the feared onslaught of targeting calls... I only saw one yesterday and it was deserved. Defender was properly ejected.

    I assume you're referring to the hit the Bengals player laid on Andrew Luck. Agreed, the guy rightly got tossed for that one...  

  • My biggest takeaway was this, after my liver was finishing its process... Fourth quarter came around and I said well.... same old Browns. Then the fourth quarter played out... and not quite so much. The game would not have been worth watching if it was the same old Browns. I’ll wait and see what the O looks like when it’s not pouring rain the entire game. That O line though........

  • @mark-o said:

    I agree.   Saints offense is still great but man that defense blows.   48 to the Bucs??   That's just not good at all.

    The Bucs are pretty loaded on offense with Jackson, Evans, OJ Howard, Brate, Godwin

    @londonbrown said:

    The Bucs are pretty loaded on offense with Jackson, Evans, OJ Howard, Brate, Godwin

    Yup... not to mention that Fitz has a history of getting very hot in any given game... he just doesn't sustain the heat.

  • @tour2ma said:

    As for the feared onslaught of targeting calls... I only saw one yesterday and it was deserved. Defender was properly ejected.

    I assume you're referring to the hit the Bengals player laid on Andrew Luck. Agreed, the guy rightly got tossed for that one...  

    @hoorta said:

    I assume you're referring to the hit the Bengals player laid on Andrew Luck. Agreed, the guy rightly got tossed for that one...  

    That'd be the one...

  • @dawg2fan said:

    I"m so sick of hearing the "Brownsed it up" talk.  You sound a lot like the media.  We should be looking at this as a growing team.  You have to creep before you crawl and we still have the youngest team in the NFL.  First time in 13 years we didn't lose the first game and you guys are still whining.  I'll take the tie and move on to the Saints.  

    No, I sound like someone who has watched the same shite for the last 5 years. Turning second and 3 into 3rd-and-we-can't-see-that-far. Defense makes a big play to get off the field and a stupid penalty gives the other team a first down inside the 5. A big turnover deep into opposing territory but a stupid penalty brings it back. You don't have to be a 5-year veteran to get the fukking snap count--two times in a row. You don't have to be a veteran to know not to block someone in the back.

    Undisciplined play. Year after year. 

    @dste-ace said:

    No, I sound like someone who has watched the same shite for the last 5 years. Turning second and 3 into 3rd-and-we-can't-see-that-far. Defense makes a big play to get off the field and a stupid penalty gives the other team a first down inside the 5. A big turnover deep into opposing territory but a stupid penalty brings it back. You don't have to be a 5-year veteran to get the fukking snap count--two times in a row. You don't have to be a veteran to know not to block someone in the back.

    Undisciplined play. Year after year. 

    Year after year tells you something.  Us getting a different coach after 2 years is a big problem.  We'll never have any consistency until we keep a coach around at least 5 years. 

  • @mark-o said:

    I agree.   Saints offense is still great but man that defense blows.   48 to the Bucs??   That's just not good at all.

    The Bucs are pretty loaded on offense with Jackson, Evans, OJ Howard, Brate, Godwin

    @londonbrown said:

    The Bucs are pretty loaded on offense with Jackson, Evans, OJ Howard, Brate, Godwin

    Of course who would have said that before the season started ?

  • @londonbrown said:

    The Bucs are pretty loaded on offense with Jackson, Evans, OJ Howard, Brate, Godwin

    Of course who would have said that before the season started ?

    @dawg2fan said:

    Of course who would have said that before the season started ?

    Plenty of people?

    Their big "?" on the O-side is at QB. And Fitz went off Week 1.

  • Ward probably had the most consistent game.

    Garrett was really good but a couple of bad penalties.

    Landry looked good but not great.

    Hyde and Taylor both looked really bad.

    I’m not sure why Zane is still on this team.

    Haley and Hue do not seem to be on the same page

  • I've seen multiple "experts" picking Saints v. Steelers in the SB, or at least both teams in their respective championship games. After week 1, neither team looked great but these are teams that will get better as the season goes on. That's what good teams do...

    Having said that, this coming week will tell us a TON about our team.  The Saints just got embarrassed at home by a supposedly "crappy" team.  Sean Peyton will have his team ready to play, and the players will be eager to take their frustration out on the Browns.

    Will we be able to match their intensity? If the Browns don't realize they need to come ready for a fight right out of the gate, then they're in trouble. 

    No weather, no injuries... just good 'ol head-to-head football.  If they can compete for 4 quarters, then we're looking at a different Browns team. If they can tie or better, then we're looking at, dare I say, a potentially good football team...

  • I think we need to start Baker and I've thought so since the preseason. I think Tyrod is a solid QB in the right offense but Haley doesn't play to his strengths. We won't be able to run a consistent offense unless we get Tyrod out of the pocket and making more easy reads. Bottom line he holds on to the ball too long looking for his receiver to get open instead of trusting his man to be in the right spot. He drink and dunked all through the preseason and it's pretty much what he did in this game with a handful of of shots that looked like he knew where he was going with the ball before the snap.

    Kirksey is kind of trash. Hes not bad against the run but he can't cover. The play with James and the long gain by Juju were because he didn't make a play. If we didn't just give him a huge payday I would say put him on the trade block and start Burgess.

  • I think we need to start Baker and I've thought so since the preseason. I think Tyrod is a solid QB in the right offense but Haley doesn't play to his strengths. We won't be able to run a consistent offense unless we get Tyrod out of the pocket and making more easy reads. Bottom line he holds on to the ball too long looking for his receiver to get open instead of trusting his man to be in the right spot. He drink and dunked all through the preseason and it's pretty much what he did in this game with a handful of of shots that looked like he knew where he was going with the ball before the snap.

    Kirksey is kind of trash. Hes not bad against the run but he can't cover. The play with James and the long gain by Juju were because he didn't make a play. If we didn't just give him a huge payday I would say put him on the trade block and start Burgess.

    @louisville-slugger said:

    I think we need to start Baker and I've thought so since the preseason......

    If we throw the kid to the wolves now - behind that offensive line..... You can kiss any chance of him becoming our franchise QB goodbye. 

    Wash  -  Rinse  -  Repeat ....... 

  • @louisville-slugger said:

    I think we need to start Baker and I've thought so since the preseason......

    If we throw the kid to the wolves now - behind that offensive line..... You can kiss any chance of him becoming our franchise QB goodbye. 

    Wash  -  Rinse  -  Repeat ....... 

    @d-bone said:

    If we throw the kid to the wolves now - behind that offensive line..... You can kiss any chance of him becoming our franchise QB goodbye. 

    Wash  -  Rinse  -  Repeat ....... 

    I don't think so. He looks like just needs experience. He manipulates the pocket extremely well and get the ball out quick. He will make our offensive line look better. He is just better than Manziel, McCoy, Weeden, etc

  • Ward probably had the most consistent game.

    Garrett was really good but a couple of bad penalties.

    Landry looked good but not great.

    Hyde and Taylor both looked really bad.

    I’m not sure why Zane is still on this team.

    Haley and Hue do not seem to be on the same page

    @baconhound said:

    Ward probably had the most consistent game.

    Garrett was really good but a couple of bad penalties.

    Landry looked good but not great.

    Hyde and Taylor both looked really bad.

    I’m not sure why Zane is still on this team.

    Haley and Hue do not seem to be on the same page

    Dan Bailey is still out there, right?

    Z

  • @d-bone said:

    If we throw the kid to the wolves now - behind that offensive line..... You can kiss any chance of him becoming our franchise QB goodbye. 

    Wash  -  Rinse  -  Repeat ....... 

    I don't think so. He looks like just needs experience. He manipulates the pocket extremely well and get the ball out quick. He will make our offensive line look better. He is just better than Manziel, McCoy, Weeden, etc

    @louisville-slugger said:

    I don't think so. He looks like just needs experience. He manipulates the pocket extremely well and get the ball out quick. He will make our offensive line look better. He is just better than Manziel, McCoy, Weeden, etc

    He won't last 13 quarters before he's hurt physically, and sooner than that mentally. 

    Tim Couch would like a word with you. 

  • I've seen multiple "experts" picking Saints v. Steelers in the SB, or at least both teams in their respective championship games. After week 1, neither team looked great but these are teams that will get better as the season goes on. That's what good teams do...

    Having said that, this coming week will tell us a TON about our team.  The Saints just got embarrassed at home by a supposedly "crappy" team.  Sean Peyton will have his team ready to play, and the players will be eager to take their frustration out on the Browns.

    Will we be able to match their intensity? If the Browns don't realize they need to come ready for a fight right out of the gate, then they're in trouble. 

    No weather, no injuries... just good 'ol head-to-head football.  If they can compete for 4 quarters, then we're looking at a different Browns team. If they can tie or better, then we're looking at, dare I say, a potentially good football team...

    @thenew23 said:

    .Will we be able to match their intensity? If the Browns don't realize they need to come ready for a fight right out of the gate, then they're in trouble. 

    To be fair, being that the browns haven't won a game in more than a calendar year, I'd say they have just as much if not more motivation than the Aints

  • @louisville-slugger said:

    I don't think so. He looks like just needs experience. He manipulates the pocket extremely well and get the ball out quick. He will make our offensive line look better. He is just better than Manziel, McCoy, Weeden, etc

    He won't last 13 quarters before he's hurt physically, and sooner than that mentally. 

    Tim Couch would like a word with you. 

    @d-bone said:

    He won't last 13 quarters before he's hurt physically, and sooner than that mentally. 

    Tim Couch would like a word with you. 

    I completely agree.    As bad as the offensive line looked yesterday, I'd prefer Baker not see the field for a good long time, preferably not till next season.    Tim Couch is the perfect analogy.

  • @d-bone said:

    He won't last 13 quarters before he's hurt physically, and sooner than that mentally. 

    Tim Couch would like a word with you. 

    I completely agree.    As bad as the offensive line looked yesterday, I'd prefer Baker not see the field for a good long time, preferably not till next season.    Tim Couch is the perfect analogy.

    @mark-o said:

    I completely agree.    As bad as the offensive line looked yesterday, I'd prefer Baker not see the field for a good long time, preferably not till next season.    Tim Couch is the perfect analogy.

    Or at least until the bye week this season for the final six games...

    But I concur totally with the gist of what you are saying, for sure. 

  • I'm sure it's been mentioned somewhere, but I haven't seen it, but I'm still beyond pissed about the penalty called on Garrett for his hit on Roethlisberger that gave the Steelers a first down and eventually their first touchdown of the day. 

    How exactly are you supposed to take down a 6'5, 240lb QB who has made a career of extending plays by not going down with arm tackles? Garrett hit him cleanly with his shoulder, wrapped him with his arms and drove through him... LIKE EVERY KID IN FOOTBALL HAS BEEN TAUGHT TO TACKLE SINCE THE BIRTH OF THE Shmucking SPORT. 

  • I'm sure it's been mentioned somewhere, but I haven't seen it, but I'm still beyond pissed about the penalty called on Garrett for his hit on Roethlisberger that gave the Steelers a first down and eventually their first touchdown of the day. 

    How exactly are you supposed to take down a 6'5, 240lb QB who has made a career of extending plays by not going down with arm tackles? Garrett hit him cleanly with his shoulder, wrapped him with his arms and drove through him... LIKE EVERY KID IN FOOTBALL HAS BEEN TAUGHT TO TACKLE SINCE THE BIRTH OF THE Shmucking SPORT. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    I'm sure it's been mentioned somewhere, but I haven't seen it, but I'm still beyond pissed about the penalty called on Garrett for his hit on Roethlisberger that gave the Steelers a first down and eventually their first touchdown of the day. 

    How exactly are you supposed to take down a 6'5, 240lb QB who has made a career of extending plays by not going down with arm tackles? Garrett hit him cleanly with his shoulder, wrapped him with his arms and drove through him... LIKE EVERY KID IN FOOTBALL HAS BEEN TAUGHT TO TACKLE SINCE THE BIRTH OF THE Shmucking SPORT. 

    The rule stinks but you have to adjust.  You can’t keep getting them because the rule stinks.