why was gordon ignored for most of the game yesterday?
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The announcers said several times "I'm surprised Tyrod didn't give Josh a shot because he had single coverage outside". I literally heard them say that at least twice. And then at the end of regulation, Tyrod finally gives it a shot, and guess what? He throws a terrible ball that's picked off. All he had to freaking do was get the ball out in front to give Josh a chance. Either Josh gets it or it's incomplete. I don't freaking understand.
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I can't remember who it was that was at the game but they said that Gordon was rarely ever open, in fact they mentioned that it seemed like he struggled to get separation...
Might take some time. He's only been practicing a week or two. Plus the timing between him and Tyrod will take a bit of time and practice.
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I can't remember who it was that was at the game but they said that Gordon was rarely ever open, in fact they mentioned that it seemed like he struggled to get separation...
I heard the announcers say several times "Tyrod had time but no one was open."
I heard the announcers say several times "Tyrod had time but no one was open."
And I heard people say: "People were open but Tyrod didn't see them, or if he saw them, he chose not to throw it to them."
Now, part of that may be the pressure on him, part of it may be his conservative style, and part of it may be that he just does not have quick reactive timing to get the ball to people. Or a combination of all three.
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I hate to admit it but if Mayfield was playing, we lose to guys by 7 or more. Tyrod won't lose the game, but he won't win it either. (See what I did there).
This Browns team is loaded. Hue reminded me of Tomlin Sunday. Got a team full of talent but can't get them disciplined enough to win with coaching. The Steelers win with talent alone and that's why they can't beat Belichick.
Good luck the rest of the way. The AFC N is going to be the best division by far.
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Honestly I think the OLine was so bad the first half that Tyrod didn’t even have time to look downfield to hit a WR.
I think I heard the announcer say late in the second that the play Landry had to stop and make a cirus catch was the first WR completetion.
I’d also believe that Josh was probably not on the same page most of the game too.... Probably a combo of both.
Honestly I think the OLine was so bad the first half that Tyrod didn’t even have time to look downfield to hit a WR.
I think I heard the announcer say late in the second that the play Landry had to stop and make a cirus catch was the first WR completetion.
I’d also believe that Josh was probably not on the same page most of the game too.... Probably a combo of both.
Like I said in another quote, this was Josh's first preseason game. He was a bit rusty and still caught a TD pass. His game will improve.
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i get the "game shape" part, but is his speed no there? The whole decoy thing with a guy like josh is stretching the secondary out downfield. If ur not sending him consustently downfield AND not throwing to him...ur telling the defense he's just a decoy u dont trust to throw to and/or u dont trust tyrods arm in those conditions. Ben threw some nice deep'ish balls so obviously pgh wasnt feeling the samevway
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i get the "game shape" part, but is his speed no there? The whole decoy thing with a guy like josh is stretching the secondary out downfield. If ur not sending him consustently downfield AND not throwing to him...ur telling the defense he's just a decoy u dont trust to throw to and/or u dont trust tyrods arm in those conditions. Ben threw some nice deep'ish balls so obviously pgh wasnt feeling the samevway
i get the "game shape" part, but is his speed no there?
That Haden was step-for-step with him on that deep ball says not so speedy to me.
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i get the "game shape" part, but is his speed no there?
That Haden was step-for-step with him on that deep ball says not so speedy to me.
That Haden was step-for-step with him on that deep ball says not so speedy to me.
was that maybe cause the ball was floated? i dunno im justvsuggesting its a possibility joe had time to run under it. I need to look at that play again
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its a possibility joe had time to run under it.
More like "time to climb Josh's back"...
Live I was wondering why JG did not jump... I saw why in the ground level replay.
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its a possibility joe had time to run under it.
More like "time to climb Josh's back"...
Live I was wondering why JG did not jump... I saw why in the ground level replay.
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The all 22 showed up on my nfl game pass today. After one viewing, lets all remember Gordon was not at camp. He's in shape, just not 4 quarter football shape like most players showed this week. Also remember, Haley was not happy about losing players that have barely any game plan preparations. "What kind of shape is he in" was the question haley asked gitty Hue when Gordo's plane landed. Gordon does seem to know Haley's playbook. No signs of hesitation of routes, just runs them with less a drive gear than Landry does. C.Coleman was also stealing #1 reps with Tierod while Baker was lighting it up in camp with Higgins & Callaway.(now seeing Ty reps) The all 22 shows who & why was getting open. It's #80 Landry. And worked with Tierod since day 1..Jarvis desire,footwork & upper body strength to get off guys is why he's pro bowl material with great hands. We hope Callaway,Ratley,Willies see's how hard Landry works and follows.Tyrod sat on 2 reads than got out to find a broken down covered play. A dome & the Jets may get Tierod going? or Hue starts mumbling a little louder about #6.. (1-31-1)
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It's almost like Haley was saying F you to Hue by starting him and F you to Gordon by ignoring him in the game plan. Lets hope he is past that now and ready to execute a sensible plan that plays to Gordon
It's almost like Haley was saying F you to Hue by starting him and F you to Gordon by ignoring him in the game plan. Lets hope he is past that now and ready to execute a sensible plan that plays to Gordon
Hue can't keep his job past the end of this season, can he?
He was my guy a few years ago, I liked that he had *some* experience as a HC and he seemed to run a balanced, well-run offense in Cincinnati.
But man oh man, I just do not get the impression ANYONE in the Browns organization really believes in him. Maybe I'm seeing things, but on 'Hard Knocks' Mayfield couldn't have acted less interested in having anything to do with him. He literally seemed to look at him with a "yeah, you are pretty much a dead man walking, dude" expression on his face.
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It's almost like Haley was saying F you to Hue by starting him and F you to Gordon by ignoring him in the game plan. Lets hope he is past that now and ready to execute a sensible plan that plays to Gordon
Hue can't keep his job past the end of this season, can he?
He was my guy a few years ago, I liked that he had *some* experience as a HC and he seemed to run a balanced, well-run offense in Cincinnati.
But man oh man, I just do not get the impression ANYONE in the Browns organization really believes in him. Maybe I'm seeing things, but on 'Hard Knocks' Mayfield couldn't have acted less interested in having anything to do with him. He literally seemed to look at him with a "yeah, you are pretty much a dead man walking, dude" expression on his face.
Hue can't keep his job past the end of this season, can he?
He was my guy a few years ago, I liked that he had *some* experience as a HC and he seemed to run a balanced, well-run offense in Cincinnati.
But man oh man, I just do not get the impression ANYONE in the Browns organization really believes in him. Maybe I'm seeing things, but on 'Hard Knocks' Mayfield couldn't have acted less interested in having anything to do with him. He literally seemed to look at him with a "yeah, you are pretty much a dead man walking, dude" expression on his face.
All depends on how the season goes. Decent season, with a decent wins and loss record (something like 6 wins and a lot of close losses) and he's probably back again next season. However, a 1-5-1 or something start and I think he's gone and it's Haley's team, Williams stays to coach the defense, or they go way off the board and promote a guy like Al Saunders all the way to the top (he was a HC in SD) and Haley and Wiliams stay in their current jobs.
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im honestly not sold on haley. Its still in the back of my mind him, wylie and dorsey were involved im this o line fukup.
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I get the frustration, but man oh man, reading this board the last few days you would almost think the Browns lost by 30. ?
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On why Josh was invisible:
Tyrod likes to be careful with the ball. He likes to be comfortable with where he's throwing it. I'm sure that he's got virtually NO comfort level at all with Josh. Josh chose not to show up for TC...which is where the playbook is actually learned. Which is where the timing with the QB is acquired. I'm betting that Tyrod was not sure if Josh knew that he was supposed to zig and not zag on any given play.
Remember, when Josh finally DID show up to camp he couldn't practice because he had a hamstring thing.
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On why Josh was invisible:
Tyrod likes to be careful with the ball. He likes to be comfortable with where he's throwing it. I'm sure that he's got virtually NO comfort level at all with Josh. Josh chose not to show up for TC...which is where the playbook is actually learned. Which is where the timing with the QB is acquired. I'm betting that Tyrod was not sure if Josh knew that he was supposed to zig and not zag on any given play.
Remember, when Josh finally DID show up to camp he couldn't practice because he had a hamstring thing.
On why Josh was invisible:
Tyrod likes to be careful with the ball. He likes to be comfortable with where he's throwing it. I'm sure that he's got virtually NO comfort level at all with Josh. Josh chose not to show up for TC...which is where the playbook is actually learned. Which is where the timing with the QB is acquired. I'm betting that Tyrod was not sure if Josh knew that he was supposed to zig and not zag on any given play.
Remember, when Josh finally DID show up to camp he couldn't practice because he had a hamstring thing.
I agree with you, but then you don't put him out there. You have to throw one deep to him where he prob won't get it, but if anyone can get it..it's him. Have to keep the defense honest. Single man bump and run for prob 4.5 quarters was not keeping the defense honest. But I do agree with you, most of that is on josh. Now apparently we're hearing that Josh wasn't supposed to be the starter and the coaches were caught off guard by him going out there with the first package. Another "thing" which makes me really groan out loud for our season prospects. And makes me think we'll be in the Nick Bosa hunt.
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On why Josh was invisible:
Tyrod likes to be careful with the ball. He likes to be comfortable with where he's throwing it. I'm sure that he's got virtually NO comfort level at all with Josh. Josh chose not to show up for TC...which is where the playbook is actually learned. Which is where the timing with the QB is acquired. I'm betting that Tyrod was not sure if Josh knew that he was supposed to zig and not zag on any given play.
Remember, when Josh finally DID show up to camp he couldn't practice because he had a hamstring thing.
I agree with you, but then you don't put him out there. You have to throw one deep to him where he prob won't get it, but if anyone can get it..it's him. Have to keep the defense honest. Single man bump and run for prob 4.5 quarters was not keeping the defense honest. But I do agree with you, most of that is on josh. Now apparently we're hearing that Josh wasn't supposed to be the starter and the coaches were caught off guard by him going out there with the first package. Another "thing" which makes me really groan out loud for our season prospects. And makes me think we'll be in the Nick Bosa hunt.
I agree with you, but then you don't put him out there. You have to throw one deep to him
I think he was mostly a decoy. But like you say, if you don't throw him a deep ball (or something) than he doesn't draw the coverages that you want your decoy to draw.
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I agree with you, but then you don't put him out there. You have to throw one deep to him
I think he was mostly a decoy. But like you say, if you don't throw him a deep ball (or something) than he doesn't draw the coverages that you want your decoy to draw.
I think he was mostly a decoy. But like you say, if you don't throw him a deep ball (or something) than he doesn't draw the coverages that you want your decoy to draw.
He caught a 17 yard TD pass. Do we not consider that a "deep ball"?
What generally IS considered a "deep ball"?
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