why was gordon ignored for most of the game yesterday?
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i get the "game shape" part, but is his speed no there?
That Haden was step-for-step with him on that deep ball says not so speedy to me.
That Haden was step-for-step with him on that deep ball says not so speedy to me.
was that maybe cause the ball was floated? i dunno im justvsuggesting its a possibility joe had time to run under it. I need to look at that play again
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its a possibility joe had time to run under it.
More like "time to climb Josh's back"...
Live I was wondering why JG did not jump... I saw why in the ground level replay.
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its a possibility joe had time to run under it.
More like "time to climb Josh's back"...
Live I was wondering why JG did not jump... I saw why in the ground level replay.
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The all 22 showed up on my nfl game pass today. After one viewing, lets all remember Gordon was not at camp. He's in shape, just not 4 quarter football shape like most players showed this week. Also remember, Haley was not happy about losing players that have barely any game plan preparations. "What kind of shape is he in" was the question haley asked gitty Hue when Gordo's plane landed. Gordon does seem to know Haley's playbook. No signs of hesitation of routes, just runs them with less a drive gear than Landry does. C.Coleman was also stealing #1 reps with Tierod while Baker was lighting it up in camp with Higgins & Callaway.(now seeing Ty reps) The all 22 shows who & why was getting open. It's #80 Landry. And worked with Tierod since day 1..Jarvis desire,footwork & upper body strength to get off guys is why he's pro bowl material with great hands. We hope Callaway,Ratley,Willies see's how hard Landry works and follows.Tyrod sat on 2 reads than got out to find a broken down covered play. A dome & the Jets may get Tierod going? or Hue starts mumbling a little louder about #6.. (1-31-1)
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It's almost like Haley was saying F you to Hue by starting him and F you to Gordon by ignoring him in the game plan. Lets hope he is past that now and ready to execute a sensible plan that plays to Gordon
It's almost like Haley was saying F you to Hue by starting him and F you to Gordon by ignoring him in the game plan. Lets hope he is past that now and ready to execute a sensible plan that plays to Gordon
Hue can't keep his job past the end of this season, can he?
He was my guy a few years ago, I liked that he had *some* experience as a HC and he seemed to run a balanced, well-run offense in Cincinnati.
But man oh man, I just do not get the impression ANYONE in the Browns organization really believes in him. Maybe I'm seeing things, but on 'Hard Knocks' Mayfield couldn't have acted less interested in having anything to do with him. He literally seemed to look at him with a "yeah, you are pretty much a dead man walking, dude" expression on his face.
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It's almost like Haley was saying F you to Hue by starting him and F you to Gordon by ignoring him in the game plan. Lets hope he is past that now and ready to execute a sensible plan that plays to Gordon
Hue can't keep his job past the end of this season, can he?
He was my guy a few years ago, I liked that he had *some* experience as a HC and he seemed to run a balanced, well-run offense in Cincinnati.
But man oh man, I just do not get the impression ANYONE in the Browns organization really believes in him. Maybe I'm seeing things, but on 'Hard Knocks' Mayfield couldn't have acted less interested in having anything to do with him. He literally seemed to look at him with a "yeah, you are pretty much a dead man walking, dude" expression on his face.
Hue can't keep his job past the end of this season, can he?
He was my guy a few years ago, I liked that he had *some* experience as a HC and he seemed to run a balanced, well-run offense in Cincinnati.
But man oh man, I just do not get the impression ANYONE in the Browns organization really believes in him. Maybe I'm seeing things, but on 'Hard Knocks' Mayfield couldn't have acted less interested in having anything to do with him. He literally seemed to look at him with a "yeah, you are pretty much a dead man walking, dude" expression on his face.
All depends on how the season goes. Decent season, with a decent wins and loss record (something like 6 wins and a lot of close losses) and he's probably back again next season. However, a 1-5-1 or something start and I think he's gone and it's Haley's team, Williams stays to coach the defense, or they go way off the board and promote a guy like Al Saunders all the way to the top (he was a HC in SD) and Haley and Wiliams stay in their current jobs.
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im honestly not sold on haley. Its still in the back of my mind him, wylie and dorsey were involved im this o line fukup.
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I get the frustration, but man oh man, reading this board the last few days you would almost think the Browns lost by 30. ?
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On why Josh was invisible:
Tyrod likes to be careful with the ball. He likes to be comfortable with where he's throwing it. I'm sure that he's got virtually NO comfort level at all with Josh. Josh chose not to show up for TC...which is where the playbook is actually learned. Which is where the timing with the QB is acquired. I'm betting that Tyrod was not sure if Josh knew that he was supposed to zig and not zag on any given play.
Remember, when Josh finally DID show up to camp he couldn't practice because he had a hamstring thing.
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On why Josh was invisible:
Tyrod likes to be careful with the ball. He likes to be comfortable with where he's throwing it. I'm sure that he's got virtually NO comfort level at all with Josh. Josh chose not to show up for TC...which is where the playbook is actually learned. Which is where the timing with the QB is acquired. I'm betting that Tyrod was not sure if Josh knew that he was supposed to zig and not zag on any given play.
Remember, when Josh finally DID show up to camp he couldn't practice because he had a hamstring thing.
On why Josh was invisible:
Tyrod likes to be careful with the ball. He likes to be comfortable with where he's throwing it. I'm sure that he's got virtually NO comfort level at all with Josh. Josh chose not to show up for TC...which is where the playbook is actually learned. Which is where the timing with the QB is acquired. I'm betting that Tyrod was not sure if Josh knew that he was supposed to zig and not zag on any given play.
Remember, when Josh finally DID show up to camp he couldn't practice because he had a hamstring thing.
I agree with you, but then you don't put him out there. You have to throw one deep to him where he prob won't get it, but if anyone can get it..it's him. Have to keep the defense honest. Single man bump and run for prob 4.5 quarters was not keeping the defense honest. But I do agree with you, most of that is on josh. Now apparently we're hearing that Josh wasn't supposed to be the starter and the coaches were caught off guard by him going out there with the first package. Another "thing" which makes me really groan out loud for our season prospects. And makes me think we'll be in the Nick Bosa hunt.
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On why Josh was invisible:
Tyrod likes to be careful with the ball. He likes to be comfortable with where he's throwing it. I'm sure that he's got virtually NO comfort level at all with Josh. Josh chose not to show up for TC...which is where the playbook is actually learned. Which is where the timing with the QB is acquired. I'm betting that Tyrod was not sure if Josh knew that he was supposed to zig and not zag on any given play.
Remember, when Josh finally DID show up to camp he couldn't practice because he had a hamstring thing.
I agree with you, but then you don't put him out there. You have to throw one deep to him where he prob won't get it, but if anyone can get it..it's him. Have to keep the defense honest. Single man bump and run for prob 4.5 quarters was not keeping the defense honest. But I do agree with you, most of that is on josh. Now apparently we're hearing that Josh wasn't supposed to be the starter and the coaches were caught off guard by him going out there with the first package. Another "thing" which makes me really groan out loud for our season prospects. And makes me think we'll be in the Nick Bosa hunt.
I agree with you, but then you don't put him out there. You have to throw one deep to him
I think he was mostly a decoy. But like you say, if you don't throw him a deep ball (or something) than he doesn't draw the coverages that you want your decoy to draw.
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I agree with you, but then you don't put him out there. You have to throw one deep to him
I think he was mostly a decoy. But like you say, if you don't throw him a deep ball (or something) than he doesn't draw the coverages that you want your decoy to draw.
I think he was mostly a decoy. But like you say, if you don't throw him a deep ball (or something) than he doesn't draw the coverages that you want your decoy to draw.
He caught a 17 yard TD pass. Do we not consider that a "deep ball"?
What generally IS considered a "deep ball"?
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He caught a 17 yard TD pass. Do we not consider that a "deep ball"?
...yeah, that's on the deeper side of mid-range... IMO.
Was a really nice job of catching the pass away from the defender and getting his feet down. A beauty to watch. But I'm hearing today that he wasn't always running the correct route...which I wouldn't find abnormal for the amount of football he's played in the last several years. Especially this year with what, two weeks he's been able to practice (hamstring)?
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He caught a 17 yard TD pass. Do we not consider that a "deep ball"?
What generally IS considered a "deep ball"?
i dont think they threw to him once till the 4th quarter.....but then yeah, he made a nice play. I honestly think justva few passes his way earlier would have opened up the offense. They were blanketing njoku, tells u what the steelers think is our main offensive weapon. Or what they think tuhrod is capable of doing in those conditions.
dammit i hate our qb situation. Cause now im starting to crack on my adamance that mayfield not step on the field. Sunday in the dome will tell me if tyrod can utilize our strengths. If he's shorting balls sunday and getting our receivers blown up............fuk me, cmon in bake
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i get the "game shape" part, but is his speed no there?
That Haden was step-for-step with him on that deep ball says not so speedy to me.
That Haden was step-for-step with him on that deep ball says not so speedy to me.
Also doesn't help that Gordon's route combinations to setup the vertical were non-existent. Couple that with Haden bailing pre-snap...
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Also doesn't help that Gordon's route combinations to setup the vertical were non-existent. Couple that with Haden bailing pre-snap...
ok so u know alot about this side of the ball, whats terribly complex about a deep sideline route? josh doesnt really need to know every new play in the offense to run some sime deep routes meant to just stretch the secobdary as a decoy, does he? did they just mot trust tierod to throw it overvthe top enough to where only josh had a chance at it? it just seems like if he is that clueless why even have him out there......theres something we should have been able to throw to.him to put a seed in the secondaries minds. Tyrod seems to be the variable on this one. If he wasnt getting open than get him out and put some of the guys in that showed promise in preseason. To have ur supposed stud #1 in single man bump and run all game means the steelers had no respect.
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Also doesn't help that Gordon's route combinations to setup the vertical were non-existent. Couple that with Haden bailing pre-snap...
ok so u know alot about this side of the ball, whats terribly complex about a deep sideline route? josh doesnt really need to know every new play in the offense to run some sime deep routes meant to just stretch the secobdary as a decoy, does he? did they just mot trust tierod to throw it overvthe top enough to where only josh had a chance at it? it just seems like if he is that clueless why even have him out there......theres something we should have been able to throw to.him to put a seed in the secondaries minds. Tyrod seems to be the variable on this one. If he wasnt getting open than get him out and put some of the guys in that showed promise in preseason. To have ur supposed stud #1 in single man bump and run all game means the steelers had no respect.
To have ur supposed stud #1 in single man bump and run all game means the steelers had no respect.
It does doesn't it...
They were probably on a Wait And See strategy. - We don't think Josh can possibly have the playbook down pat, nor have a rapport with the QB (s). If he proves us wrong, we'll double cover him.
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Also doesn't help that Gordon's route combinations to setup the vertical were non-existent. Couple that with Haden bailing pre-snap...
Knowing Gordon's history, there's a chance he didn't know the routes. Wouldn't be the first time he's come back to the Browns and run routes that didn't exist in the playbook as the plays were drawn up.
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