Joe Jurevicius
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mz. said:
Come on. I wipe the equipment down before I use it at my gym, which I'm sure isn't nearly as nice as where Braylon works out.And if you went to the doctor and got staph from an open wound he was examining because he didn't bother to clean his tools from the last guy I suppose that would be your fault for not making sure his equipment was sterile?
Go get 'em Joe and LCB!
Make those bastards accountable for their negligence.
And if you went to the doctor and got staph from an open wound he was examining because he didn't bother to clean his tools from the last guy I suppose that would be your fault for not making sure his equipment was sterile?
Go get 'em Joe and LCB!
Make those bastards accountable for their negligence.
That's fine with me, as I stated previously. But suing the team???????
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Well the only obvious thing is BOTH side didn't take all the neccessary precautions.
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1) He'll never win this case unless he can show there was a deviation from a standard of care. The Browns brought in an outside agency to clean the facility but ultimately the responsibility for cleanliness winds up with the individuals. Staph lives on our skin so it's naturally there; remember that there is a difference between staph and drug-resistant staph.
2) The cases of resistant staph (MRSA) are usually associated with the Browns in the media, however, I have it on first hand authority that every single team has had one and last year there was a team that had five (and it wasn't the Browns).
1) He'll never win this case unless he can show there was a deviation from a standard of care. The Browns brought in an outside agency to clean the facility but ultimately the responsibility for cleanliness winds up with the individuals. Staph lives on our skin so it's naturally there; remember that there is a difference between staph and drug-resistant staph.
2) The cases of resistant staph (MRSA) are usually associated with the Browns in the media, however, I have it on first hand authority that every single team has had one and last year there was a team that had five (and it wasn't the Browns).
Very true. Staph is on the rise all through out the country.
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mz. said:
So he should just carpetbomb with the hope of something sticking?i thought that was how we roll in the good 'ol U.S. of A...?
Joe defended many things no one else cared to, and spoke out on other taboo topics he felt needed voiced. if this is what avenue he's decided to pursue, that's more than enough for me.
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1) He'll never win this case unless he can show there was a deviation from a standard of care. The Browns brought in an outside agency to clean the facility but ultimately the responsibility for cleanliness winds up with the individuals. Staph lives on our skin so it's naturally there; remember that there is a difference between staph and drug-resistant staph.
2) The cases of resistant staph (MRSA) are usually associated with the Browns in the media, however, I have it on first hand authority that every single team has had one and last year there was a team that had five (and it wasn't the Browns).
1) He'll never win this case unless he can show there was a deviation from a standard of care. The Browns brought in an outside agency to clean the facility but ultimately the responsibility for cleanliness winds up with the individuals. Staph lives on our skin so it's naturally there; remember that there is a difference between staph and drug-resistant staph.
2) The cases of resistant staph (MRSA) are usually associated with the Browns in the media, however, I have it on first hand authority that every single team has had one and last year there was a team that had five (and it wasn't the Browns).
disagree. taking a bath once a month doesn't qualify as good hygiene either, does it? with the money available there's no reason why they couldn't hire a ball boy-level equipment-wipe-down kid to sterilize the machines after use. it's a high traffic area with staph prevalent, although it would be an inconvenience to the user--looking at the alternative i'm sure any player w/ his head out of his ass wouldn't mind.
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And if you went to the doctor and got staph from an open wound he was examining because he didn't bother to clean his tools from the last guy I suppose that would be your fault for not making sure his equipment was sterile?
No one said he had an "open wound". Second, these weren't dirty scalpels or operative instruments. He used the rehab equipment (weight machines, etc). Not to disparage his problem but Jurevicius could have gotten resistant staph from picking his nose. Even in the best of circumstances, staph is exceptionally hard to eradicate without essentially perfect hygiene. If you are trying to get rid of it from a place where people sweat a lot it's almost impossible.
No one said he had an "open wound". Second, these weren't dirty scalpels or operative instruments. He used the rehab equipment (weight machines, etc). Not to disparage his problem but Jurevicius could have gotten resistant staph from picking his nose. Even in the best of circumstances, staph is exceptionally hard to eradicate without essentially perfect hygiene. If you are trying to get rid of it from a place where people sweat a lot it's almost impossible.
like Winslow didn't the symptoms appear after surgery, where scalpels and operative instruments were introduced into open flesh? there's no way to tell if it was delayed from the operation or from the rehab equipment.
i agree it's near impossible to contain it if you bomb the place a couple times and do little else, but if you installed sterilizing equipment next to every machine it would surely do a hell of a lot more than nothing. given the seriousness of staph i bet the few who wouldn't use the sterilization products would quickly become the minority. was anything like that furnished?
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So do you think this means he won't play for us this year?....................................... just kidding..
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And if you went to the doctor and got staph from an open wound he was examining because he didn't bother to clean his tools from the last guy I suppose that would be your fault for not making sure his equipment was sterile?
Go get 'em Joe and LCB!
Make those bastards accountable for their negligence.
That's fine with me, as I stated previously. But suing the team???????
mz. said:
That's fine with me, as I stated previously. But suing the team???????The problem I have is this: Even if the Browns were compliant with NFL standards, there is no denying that IF they had MRSA/C-diff/Staph transmitted from the equipment to their bodies, than enough is not being done - by the NFL and the Browns.
Sometimes the only way things get done in this country is when you hit them in the pocketbooks.
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mz. said:
That's fine with me, as I stated previously. But suing the team???????The problem I have is this: Even if the Browns were compliant with NFL standards, there is no denying that IF they had MRSA/C-diff/Staph transmitted from the equipment to their bodies, than enough is not being done - by the NFL and the Browns.
Sometimes the only way things get done in this country is when you hit them in the pocketbooks.
Sometimes the only way things get done in this country is when you hit them in the pocketbooks.
and we never buy umbrellas until it's raining...
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mz. said:
So he should just carpetbomb with the hope of something sticking?i thought that was how we roll in the good 'ol U.S. of A...?
Joe defended many things no one else cared to, and spoke out on other taboo topics he felt needed voiced. if this is what avenue he's decided to pursue, that's more than enough for me.
Joe defended many things no one else cared to, and spoke out on other taboo topics he felt needed voiced. if this is what avenue he's decided to pursue, that's more than enough for me.
I'm sure this logic will hold up in a court of law.
Joe's lawyer: "Your honor, Joe was fearless going over the middle and never shied away from making the tough catch. He was a great teammate, so he must be in the right when sues the bejeezus out of everyone even tangentially associated with his knee injury and subsequent staph infections."
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No but they can look at how many infections we had and know somethins fukd up here
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JJ's suing so he can feed his family????? Give me a freakin' break.... He's probably made over 20 million during the course of his career.... This isn't about feeding his family of righting an injustice.... It's about money, getting the last nickle because his career is over....
On a side note, I think his absence last year was one of the biggest reasons we underperformed as a team last year.... We had no one to fill his position at the level he performed....
BTW, who says we don't have a ball boy working the weight room to clean the equipment... The team has a huge investment in these players and usually go above and beyond to protect that investment...
I had surgery at the Clinic last June and got a staph that put me down for over 7 months with an additional 4 surgeries and I wasn't anywhere near the Browns facility.... I wonder who I should sue----I wanna' feed my family also.... (Anyone know a good attorney lol)...
peace
T.Dawg
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Joe defended many things no one else cared to, and spoke out on other taboo topics he felt needed voiced. if this is what avenue he's decided to pursue, that's more than enough for me.
I'm sure this logic will hold up in a court of law.
Joe's lawyer: "Your honor, Joe was fearless going over the middle and never shied away from making the tough catch. He was a great teammate, so he must be in the right when sues the bejeezus out of everyone even tangentially associated with his knee injury and subsequent staph infections."
mz. said:
I'm sure this logic will hold up in a court of law.Joe's lawyer: "Your honor, Joe was fearless going over the middle and never shied away from making the tough catch. He was a great teammate, so he must be in the right when sues the bejeezus out of everyone even tangentially associated with his knee injury and subsequent staph infections."
that's not the logic mz the pussy and you're funnier when you're not reaching to insult me.
i was referring to his validation from me as a fan for pursuing whatever he wants to pursue. joe jurevicius has cred on my street.
for a bunch of guys on the outside looking in we sure have strong opinions about what really went down inside Berea facilities.
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JJ's suing so he can feed his family????? Give me a freakin' break.... He's probably made over 20 million during the course of his career.... This isn't about feeding his family of righting an injustice.... It's about money, getting the last nickle because his career is over....
On a side note, I think his absence last year was one of the biggest reasons we underperformed as a team last year.... We had no one to fill his position at the level he performed....
BTW, who says we don't have a ball boy working the weight room to clean the equipment... The team has a huge investment in these players and usually go above and beyond to protect that investment...
I had surgery at the Clinic last June and got a staph that put me down for over 7 months with an additional 4 surgeries and I wasn't anywhere near the Browns facility.... I wonder who I should sue----I wanna' feed my family also.... (Anyone know a good attorney lol)...
peace
T.Dawg
BTW, who says we don't have a ball boy working the weight room to clean the equipment... The team has a huge investment in these players and usually go above and beyond to protect that investment...
well that was the question i asked...and no one's sayin they do have one.if they don't, maybe Joe's the type of guy who wants there to be one in there from now on...and in that vein it may not be all about $$. pretty broad brush you're painting Joe with, he does bleed brown and orange after all.
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Not mad at him he is looking out for #1 nothing that anyone else would not do.
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mz. said:
I'm sure this logic will hold up in a court of law.Joe's lawyer: "Your honor, Joe was fearless going over the middle and never shied away from making the tough catch. He was a great teammate, so he must be in the right when sues the bejeezus out of everyone even tangentially associated with his knee injury and subsequent staph infections."
that's not the logic mz the pussy and you're funnier when you're not reaching to insult me.
i was referring to his validation from me as a fan for pursuing whatever he wants to pursue. joe jurevicius has cred on my street.
for a bunch of guys on the outside looking in we sure have strong opinions about what really went down inside Berea facilities.
that's not the logic mz the pussy and you're funnier when you're not reaching to insult me.
*bites tongue*
i was referring to his validation from me as a fan for pursuing whatever he wants to pursue. joe jurevicius has cred on my street.
That's fine and all, but we're talking about a lawsuit here, not street cred. You can be a fan of his and still disagree with what he's doing.
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that's not the logic mz the pussy and you're funnier when you're not reaching to insult me.
*bites tongue*
i was referring to his validation from me as a fan for pursuing whatever he wants to pursue. joe jurevicius has cred on my street.
That's fine and all, but we're talking about a lawsuit here, not street cred. You can be a fan of his and still disagree with what he's doing.
mz. said:
That's fine and all, but we're talking about a lawsuit here, not street cred. You can be a fan of his and still disagree with what he's doing.this is derived from a Mary Kay article, right? without speaking to Joe personally we have no idea of his intentions or motivations as far as i'm concerned.
i've been sued before, twice in fact--it happens. sometimes the defendent is simply just a part of the process. doesn't mean the plaintiff is out for blood either. life isn't black and white enough to allow for knee-jerk reactions to have validity most of the time.
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that's not the logic mz the pussy and you're funnier when you're not reaching to insult me.
*bites tongue*
i was referring to his validation from me as a fan for pursuing whatever he wants to pursue. joe jurevicius has cred on my street.
That's fine and all, but we're talking about a lawsuit here, not street cred. You can be a fan of his and still disagree with what he's doing.
mz. said:
You can be a fan of his and still disagree with what he's doing.Don't you want to know ALL the facts first?
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JJ's suing so he can feed his family????? Give me a freakin' break.... He's probably made over 20 million during the course of his career.... This isn't about feeding his family of righting an injustice.... It's about money, getting the last nickle because his career is over....
On a side note, I think his absence last year was one of the biggest reasons we underperformed as a team last year.... We had no one to fill his position at the level he performed....
BTW, who says we don't have a ball boy working the weight room to clean the equipment... The team has a huge investment in these players and usually go above and beyond to protect that investment...
I had surgery at the Clinic last June and got a staph that put me down for over 7 months with an additional 4 surgeries and I wasn't anywhere near the Browns facility.... I wonder who I should sue----I wanna' feed my family also.... (Anyone know a good attorney lol)...
peace
T.Dawg
BTW, who says we don't have a ball boy working the weight room to clean the equipment... The team has a huge investment in these players and usually go above and beyond to protect that investment...
I would hope that it would not be a ballboy, but instead be a healthcare professional who is well versed in Standard Precautions.
'Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said:
Also, equipment or items in the patient environment likely to have been contaminated with infectious body fluids must be handled in a manner to prevent transmission of infectious agents ... properly clean and disinfect or sterilize reusable equipment before use on another patient ...The weight room isn't "a patient environment" but the commonality of outbreaks makes me think that it should be treated as one. Regardless, the facts are not clear to us. We don't know how nor where the Staph infection was acquired.
-Al
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mz. said:
You can be a fan of his and still disagree with what he's doing.Don't you want to know ALL the facts first?
Don't you want to know ALL the facts first?
Sure, why not.
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