NFL Phucks Cleveland Twice in 4 Weeks
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With living where I do, the Browns are never on TV. I can understand everyone's frustrations, and I followed it best I could and have seen the 2 big plays in question in videos. Again, remember I try to look at things objectively and look at it in coaches glasses. My take:
The Carr fumble was ABSOLUTELY a fumble.
The spot, his elbow is down and the ball LOOKS about at the line to gain. Remember though, the yellow line isnt official, just a reference for the tv audience. But there is nothing I see to overturn it one way or another.
I cant comment on the other plays that have been mentioned. Again I certainly understand the frustration, fans and want team to succeed, but I dont think it was a fix. And nobody should even begin to think of a minuscule chance of an overturn, it just wont happen.
The officials may have done terrible, and they are supposed to be the best in their field and the highest paid, but they are still human. Put the angry emotions aside and just remember that. They are certainly just as susceptible to mistakes as any of us. Doesnt make it right, but just the reality. If being the highest ranked and highest paid in your field, then Lebron James wouldn't miss a shot, Mike Trout would never strike out, Kirk Cousins would never have an interception.
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There are a couple other shots I have of the Hyde-play. They include a Raider (#99) targeting the back of Hyde's helmet with the crown of his.
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Sorry T, but I can't see the tip of the ball..... How far under his chin is it? Where is a corresponding line to move it back 71mm? I have never, and I do mean ever, seen this type of call overturned in a game, especially with so much on the line.
You show this to 100 people and you may get 50/50...... this type of overturn needs to be 91/9.
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There are a couple other shots I have of the Hyde-play. They include a Raider (#99) targeting the back of Hyde's helmet with the crown of his.
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With living where I do, the Browns are never on TV. I can understand everyone's frustrations, and I followed it best I could and have seen the 2 big plays in question in videos. Again, remember I try to look at things objectively and look at it in coaches glasses. My take:
The Carr fumble was ABSOLUTELY a fumble.
The spot, his elbow is down and the ball LOOKS about at the line to gain. Remember though, the yellow line isnt official, just a reference for the tv audience. But there is nothing I see to overturn it one way or another.
I cant comment on the other plays that have been mentioned. Again I certainly understand the frustration, fans and want team to succeed, but I dont think it was a fix. And nobody should even begin to think of a minuscule chance of an overturn, it just wont happen.
The officials may have done terrible, and they are supposed to be the best in their field and the highest paid, but they are still human. Put the angry emotions aside and just remember that. They are certainly just as susceptible to mistakes as any of us. Doesnt make it right, but just the reality. If being the highest ranked and highest paid in your field, then Lebron James wouldn't miss a shot, Mike Trout would never strike out, Kirk Cousins would never have an interception.
The Carr fumble was ABSOLUTELY a fumble.
The spot, his elbow is down and the ball LOOKS about at the line to gain. Remember though, the yellow line isnt official, just a reference for the tv audience. But there is nothing I see to overturn it one way or another.
Completely agree on the Carr fumble. "In the grasp", a call you rarely hear made anymore, is accompanied by a whistle. There was no whistle. As for "forward progress"... Carr was still being pushed forward by an OL... so that dog don't hunt.
What you say about the yellow line is true, but in this case its accuracy was verified by the measurement that took place. If anything, the line was just inside of the stick.
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Sorry T, but I can't see the tip of the ball..... How far under his chin is it? Where is a corresponding line to move it back 71mm? I have never, and I do mean ever, seen this type of call overturned in a game, especially with so much on the line.
You show this to 100 people and you may get 50/50...... this type of overturn needs to be 91/9.
Sorry T, but I can't see the tip of the ball..... How far under his chin is it? Where is a corresponding line to move it back 71mm? I have never, and I do mean ever, seen this type of call overturned in a game, especially with so much on the line.
You show this to 100 people and you may get 50/50...... this type of overturn needs to be 91/9.
Don't know what to tell ya, D... It's plain as day to me.
His chin is short of the line. The back half of his helmet is over the line.
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During 1/2 time of SNF Tony Dungey just said "Replay is supposed to change clear and obvious mistakes, and there was nothing clear or obvious about that".
During 1/2 time of SNF Tony Dungey just said "Replay is supposed to change clear and obvious mistakes, and there was nothing clear or obvious about that".
I heard him.
I disagree.
The photo is clear to me.
The replay is even clearer.
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Sorry T, but I can't see the tip of the ball..... How far under his chin is it? Where is a corresponding line to move it back 71mm? I have never, and I do mean ever, seen this type of call overturned in a game, especially with so much on the line.
You show this to 100 people and you may get 50/50...... this type of overturn needs to be 91/9.
Don't know what to tell ya, D... It's plain as day to me.
His chin is short of the line. The back half of his helmet is over the line.
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I heard him.
I disagree.
The photo is clear to me.
The replay is even clearer.
There is no way from that photo that you can tell his elbow is down.
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There is no way from that photo that you can tell his elbow is down.
Or where the line to gain is since the yellow line is not official and there are no official lines anywhere close in the shot to use as a landmark.... and not to mention the angle of the camera.
Any greasy public defender on Law and Order SVU would get this thrown out long before indictment.
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There is no way from that photo that you can tell his elbow is down.
I think it was actually down earlier. The pic I posted was the last of a series of nine that I took. In the prior two his forearm slides along the top of the ground.
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There is no way from that photo that you can tell his elbow is down.
Or where the line to gain is since the yellow line is not official and there are no official lines anywhere close in the shot to use as a landmark.... and not to mention the angle of the camera.
Any greasy public defender on Law and Order SVU would get this thrown out long before indictment.
Or where the line to gain is since the yellow line is not official and there are no official lines anywhere close in the shot to use as a landmark.... and not to mention the angle of the camera.
Any greasy public defender on Law and Order SVU would get this thrown out long before indictment.
The measurement showed that if anything the left edge of the line was less than 10 yards...
So there's that.
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The Carr fumble was ABSOLUTELY a fumble.
The spot, his elbow is down and the ball LOOKS about at the line to gain. Remember though, the yellow line isnt official, just a reference for the tv audience. But there is nothing I see to overturn it one way or another.
Completely agree on the Carr fumble. "In the grasp", a call you rarely hear made anymore, is accompanied by a whistle. There was no whistle. As for "forward progress"... Carr was still being pushed forward by an OL... so that dog don't hunt.
What you say about the yellow line is true, but in this case its accuracy was verified by the measurement that took place. If anything, the line was just inside of the stick.
Completely agree on the Carr fumble. "In the grasp", a call you rarely hear made anymore, is accompanied by a whistle. There was no whistle. As for "forward progress"... Carr was still being pushed forward by an OL... so that dog don't hunt.
What you say about the yellow line is true, but in this case its accuracy was verified by the measurement that took place. If anything, the line was just inside of the stick.
I think you missed my point, from the video I saw, I would say he is probably short because of his elbow. It is certainly not something from what I saw to think that the game was fixed
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it's important to remember that something can be very very close and still very clear on replay, and likewise something can be likely not close at all and not certain.
It's very close, but Im pretty sure he is just short. What's unusual about this is the left edge of the line is sometimes even a 1-2 inches past ten yards. In this case it appears to be the other way.
I have mixed feelings about the call.
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well, krystal ball, if they had known they'd score that much, they would have kicked the extra points I suppose.
well, krystal ball, if they had known they'd score that much, they would have kicked the extra points I suppose.
... and we would have lost in regulation... except of course they would not have gone for two later on.
Seriously tho, there was nothing about the score, the time remaining or anything that said, "Go for 2 here," when we first did.
I get it - but his forward progress was stopped and was going to get clobbered again while in the grasp of another defensive player.
But that's pretty much the way every Lynch run ends. He plays like it's still the early days when you had to hold the ball carrier down for a couple beats before he was ruled down.
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I heard him.
I disagree.
The photo is clear to me.
The replay is even clearer.
Sure, it's one play- but let's not forget our stalwart defense suddenly gave up 45 points. Some of that was on Baker, but how about letting the Raiders waltz down the field with less than two minutes left, and convert a two point conversion on top of it to tie the game. I always say- yet another new and exciting way to lose a game- that by all rights we should have won- a couple different ways.
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From Yahoo Sports:
“Replay change was a surprise
The overturned call was a stunner. Spots are rarely changed by replay in the NFL, and video appeared to confirm that Hyde did, indeed, have the first down. But the call was made, and.........”. Refs just refused to change a Stooler challenge on a spot for Ravens. Yes The Browns had 2 opponents today.
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it's important to remember that something can be very very close and still very clear on replay, and likewise something can be likely not close at all and not certain.
It's very close, but Im pretty sure he is just short. What's unusual about this is the left edge of the line is sometimes even a 1-2 inches past ten yards. In this case it appears to be the other way.
I have mixed feelings about the call.
it's important to remember that something can be very very close and still very clear on replay, and likewise something can be likely not close at all and not certain.
It's very close, but Im pretty sure he is just short. What's unusual about this is the left edge of the line is sometimes even a 1-2 inches past ten yards. In this case it appears to be the other way.
I have mixed feelings about the call.
The call on the field was a first down, there wasn't irrefutable evidence to overturn it. The ball was already ahead of the first down marker before his elbow landed, it was a blown call plus when did they start automatically reviewing these without a challenge anyway? On another note, the NFL could easily fix it with RFID technology in the ball with sensors in the first down markers like soccer fixed goal scoring.
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