NFL Phucks Cleveland Twice in 4 Weeks
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Sorry T, but I can't see the tip of the ball..... How far under his chin is it? Where is a corresponding line to move it back 71mm? I have never, and I do mean ever, seen this type of call overturned in a game, especially with so much on the line.
You show this to 100 people and you may get 50/50...... this type of overturn needs to be 91/9.
Sorry T, but I can't see the tip of the ball..... How far under his chin is it? Where is a corresponding line to move it back 71mm? I have never, and I do mean ever, seen this type of call overturned in a game, especially with so much on the line.
You show this to 100 people and you may get 50/50...... this type of overturn needs to be 91/9.
Don't know what to tell ya, D... It's plain as day to me.
His chin is short of the line. The back half of his helmet is over the line.
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During 1/2 time of SNF Tony Dungey just said "Replay is supposed to change clear and obvious mistakes, and there was nothing clear or obvious about that".
During 1/2 time of SNF Tony Dungey just said "Replay is supposed to change clear and obvious mistakes, and there was nothing clear or obvious about that".
I heard him.
I disagree.
The photo is clear to me.
The replay is even clearer.
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Sorry T, but I can't see the tip of the ball..... How far under his chin is it? Where is a corresponding line to move it back 71mm? I have never, and I do mean ever, seen this type of call overturned in a game, especially with so much on the line.
You show this to 100 people and you may get 50/50...... this type of overturn needs to be 91/9.
Don't know what to tell ya, D... It's plain as day to me.
His chin is short of the line. The back half of his helmet is over the line.
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I heard him.
I disagree.
The photo is clear to me.
The replay is even clearer.
There is no way from that photo that you can tell his elbow is down.
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There is no way from that photo that you can tell his elbow is down.
Or where the line to gain is since the yellow line is not official and there are no official lines anywhere close in the shot to use as a landmark.... and not to mention the angle of the camera.
Any greasy public defender on Law and Order SVU would get this thrown out long before indictment.
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There is no way from that photo that you can tell his elbow is down.
I think it was actually down earlier. The pic I posted was the last of a series of nine that I took. In the prior two his forearm slides along the top of the ground.
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There is no way from that photo that you can tell his elbow is down.
Or where the line to gain is since the yellow line is not official and there are no official lines anywhere close in the shot to use as a landmark.... and not to mention the angle of the camera.
Any greasy public defender on Law and Order SVU would get this thrown out long before indictment.
Or where the line to gain is since the yellow line is not official and there are no official lines anywhere close in the shot to use as a landmark.... and not to mention the angle of the camera.
Any greasy public defender on Law and Order SVU would get this thrown out long before indictment.
The measurement showed that if anything the left edge of the line was less than 10 yards...
So there's that.
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The Carr fumble was ABSOLUTELY a fumble.
The spot, his elbow is down and the ball LOOKS about at the line to gain. Remember though, the yellow line isnt official, just a reference for the tv audience. But there is nothing I see to overturn it one way or another.
Completely agree on the Carr fumble. "In the grasp", a call you rarely hear made anymore, is accompanied by a whistle. There was no whistle. As for "forward progress"... Carr was still being pushed forward by an OL... so that dog don't hunt.
What you say about the yellow line is true, but in this case its accuracy was verified by the measurement that took place. If anything, the line was just inside of the stick.
Completely agree on the Carr fumble. "In the grasp", a call you rarely hear made anymore, is accompanied by a whistle. There was no whistle. As for "forward progress"... Carr was still being pushed forward by an OL... so that dog don't hunt.
What you say about the yellow line is true, but in this case its accuracy was verified by the measurement that took place. If anything, the line was just inside of the stick.
I think you missed my point, from the video I saw, I would say he is probably short because of his elbow. It is certainly not something from what I saw to think that the game was fixed
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it's important to remember that something can be very very close and still very clear on replay, and likewise something can be likely not close at all and not certain.
It's very close, but Im pretty sure he is just short. What's unusual about this is the left edge of the line is sometimes even a 1-2 inches past ten yards. In this case it appears to be the other way.
I have mixed feelings about the call.
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well, krystal ball, if they had known they'd score that much, they would have kicked the extra points I suppose.
well, krystal ball, if they had known they'd score that much, they would have kicked the extra points I suppose.
... and we would have lost in regulation... except of course they would not have gone for two later on.
Seriously tho, there was nothing about the score, the time remaining or anything that said, "Go for 2 here," when we first did.
I get it - but his forward progress was stopped and was going to get clobbered again while in the grasp of another defensive player.
But that's pretty much the way every Lynch run ends. He plays like it's still the early days when you had to hold the ball carrier down for a couple beats before he was ruled down.
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I heard him.
I disagree.
The photo is clear to me.
The replay is even clearer.
Sure, it's one play- but let's not forget our stalwart defense suddenly gave up 45 points. Some of that was on Baker, but how about letting the Raiders waltz down the field with less than two minutes left, and convert a two point conversion on top of it to tie the game. I always say- yet another new and exciting way to lose a game- that by all rights we should have won- a couple different ways.
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From Yahoo Sports:
“Replay change was a surprise
The overturned call was a stunner. Spots are rarely changed by replay in the NFL, and video appeared to confirm that Hyde did, indeed, have the first down. But the call was made, and.........”. Refs just refused to change a Stooler challenge on a spot for Ravens. Yes The Browns had 2 opponents today.
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it's important to remember that something can be very very close and still very clear on replay, and likewise something can be likely not close at all and not certain.
It's very close, but Im pretty sure he is just short. What's unusual about this is the left edge of the line is sometimes even a 1-2 inches past ten yards. In this case it appears to be the other way.
I have mixed feelings about the call.
it's important to remember that something can be very very close and still very clear on replay, and likewise something can be likely not close at all and not certain.
It's very close, but Im pretty sure he is just short. What's unusual about this is the left edge of the line is sometimes even a 1-2 inches past ten yards. In this case it appears to be the other way.
I have mixed feelings about the call.
The call on the field was a first down, there wasn't irrefutable evidence to overturn it. The ball was already ahead of the first down marker before his elbow landed, it was a blown call plus when did they start automatically reviewing these without a challenge anyway? On another note, the NFL could easily fix it with RFID technology in the ball with sensors in the first down markers like soccer fixed goal scoring.
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Let’s not blame the coach for this. The injury to Mitchell hurt, but the DEFENSE was nonexistent when it was needed the most today.
and we should’ve been WAYYYY more conservative up 14 with the run game which was working. What did we do? Throw on first down to get strip sacked to send things spinning downwards.
i think the defensive and offensive playcalling has been VERY questionable. Too much trickery. Not enough running the damn ball.
Why the hell wasnt chubb getting more carries?!
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here is some reaction to the SCREW JOB https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/LongFormArticle/Browns-lose-NFL-officiating-error-122740868/#122740868_6
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I'll just say this regarding the overturn.
Let's hypothetically say that the ref would've spotted the ball 4" short of where they eventually "officially" moved it to, would they have then looked at the play and moved the ball those 4" forward and remeasured? There's not a bone in my body that thinks that would've happened, and if they did, then it would've ended with "The ruling on the field stands"..... JUST LIKE WHAT JUST HAPPENED IN PITTSBURGH!!!!
At then end of the day, there were a lot of plays that could've clinched it, and one that comes to my mind is if Collins wouldn't have turned into a giant pussy in OT and made the damn interception.
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There's no way to tell. If anything, it looks like the original spot was absolutely perfect. Which means it's a first down. Regardless, you can't CHANGE the spot. Which is why I can't think of another time, and also why the head honcho ref himself said the same thing.
We lost. We basically always lose. Just another unique way to do so.
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I heard him.
I disagree.
The photo is clear to me.
The replay is even clearer.
Sure, it's one play- but let's not forget our stalwart defense suddenly gave up 45 points. Some of that was on Baker, but how about letting the Raiders waltz down the field with less than two minutes left, and convert a two point conversion on top of it to tie the game. I always say- yet another new and exciting way to lose a game- that by all rights we should have won- a couple different ways.
Sure, it's one play- but let's not forget our stalwart defense suddenly gave up 45 points. Some of that was on Baker, but how about letting the Raiders waltz down the field with less than two minutes left, and convert a two point conversion on top of it to tie the game. I always say- yet another new and exciting way to lose a game- that by all rights we should have won- a couple different ways.
i agree 100 percent...most of the time the secondary looked confused......they cannot tackle worth a Sheet....and they are mismatched alot because of their size...take the jordy nelson 2 pt conversion...our db was there, but he could not finish the play because of his size and ability...same with the lb's....they need someone to help garret...he can't do it by himself....but even though we sucked on defense...the Shmucking refs lost this game...its a crying Shmucking shame....
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I'm going to break my "24 Hour Post" rule again, but I'll try and keep it somewhat neutral.
I have never, and I mean NEVER seen a spot like that changed. Not only that, but the original spot was atrocious, and the ref moved it back from his original line. I didn't even think it was CLOSE. I celebrated. I high-fived my family. I screamed "FINALLY!" but I should've known. Heck, I DID know we were going to lose. The writing was all over the wall. It was the smallest 14 point lead in league history. The ref signaled first down by the smallest of margins, I actually let myself celebrate. I hugged my wife and screamed in happiness, so much that my cranky dog came staggering out of her kennel and joined in the fun. Deep down, I knew better.
The refs weren't going to let us win the game. Obviously we know that, we're used to it. Maybe not used to it, but we're getting there. It's how it is, guys. I was wrong about the score, but was right about the margin of loss. The close ones hurt the most. You want the really bad news? This was our last/best chance to actually have a winning record. Now, there's no telling how many years we'll wait. It certainly won't be this season. Good news? Baker is the real deal. He'll level out those mistakes, and he'll be just fine. We found our guy. Unfortunately, he learned first hand what it means to be a Cleveland Brown. He now understands why so many rookies don't want to come here. It's a career death knell.
You know what really hurts? Every one of us knew the Raiders were going to score a touchdown and get the conversion. None of us had faith in our defense, and it's obvious why. We won last week because we played a rookie. We don't get to play rookies every week, unfortunately.
This loss will crush our team. It will completely demoralize us, and send us on a losing spiral we haven't seen since....well...I guess last year. Look at our schedule. See some wins? Me either. Baker made mistakes that cost us the game, and the refs made sure they counted. He's a rookie, it'll happen every week. But you know what? I'm cool with it. I'm cool with it because Baker will be very good, I really believe that. But right now? Right now we lose. We lose in awful fashion. We lose when we think we have the game won. We lose when all we need is one inch, we get the inch, but the NFL takes it away. We lose because...well...we just do.
And it's only getting started. I know this one hurts, it really does. But we're starting a rookie QB, and there will be more downs than ups. There's always a steep learning curve. This won't the first time, and we'll have many more losses just as bad as this one. What I do know is that Baker will also have a magical game here and there, even as a rookie. He'll be the one winning at the last second. When will that happen? Who knows. But it will happen eventually, and when Baker finally "gets it" (and he will, I feel it)....good times will come to the Browns.
I'm going to break my "24 Hour Post" rule again, but I'll try and keep it somewhat neutral.
I have never, and I mean NEVER seen a spot like that changed. Not only that, but the original spot was atrocious, and the ref moved it back from his original line. I didn't even think it was CLOSE. I celebrated. I high-fived my family. I screamed "FINALLY!" but I should've known. Heck, I DID know we were going to lose. The writing was all over the wall. It was the smallest 14 point lead in league history. The ref signaled first down by the smallest of margins, I actually let myself celebrate. I hugged my wife and screamed in happiness, so much that my cranky dog came staggering out of her kennel and joined in the fun. Deep down, I knew better.
The refs weren't going to let us win the game. Obviously we know that, we're used to it. Maybe not used to it, but we're getting there. It's how it is, guys. I was wrong about the score, but was right about the margin of loss. The close ones hurt the most. You want the really bad news? This was our last/best chance to actually have a winning record. Now, there's no telling how many years we'll wait. It certainly won't be this season. Good news? Baker is the real deal. He'll level out those mistakes, and he'll be just fine. We found our guy. Unfortunately, he learned first hand what it means to be a Cleveland Brown. He now understands why so many rookies don't want to come here. It's a career death knell.
You know what really hurts? Every one of us knew the Raiders were going to score a touchdown and get the conversion. None of us had faith in our defense, and it's obvious why. We won last week because we played a rookie. We don't get to play rookies every week, unfortunately.
This loss will crush our team. It will completely demoralize us, and send us on a losing spiral we haven't seen since....well...I guess last year. Look at our schedule. See some wins? Me either. Baker made mistakes that cost us the game, and the refs made sure they counted. He's a rookie, it'll happen every week. But you know what? I'm cool with it. I'm cool with it because Baker will be very good, I really believe that. But right now? Right now we lose. We lose in awful fashion. We lose when we think we have the game won. We lose when all we need is one inch, we get the inch, but the NFL takes it away. We lose because...well...we just do.
And it's only getting started. I know this one hurts, it really does. But we're starting a rookie QB, and there will be more downs than ups. There's always a steep learning curve. This won't the first time, and we'll have many more losses just as bad as this one. What I do know is that Baker will also have a magical game here and there, even as a rookie. He'll be the one winning at the last second. When will that happen? Who knows. But it will happen eventually, and when Baker finally "gets it" (and he will, I feel it)....good times will come to the Browns.
i think you are right....however, thats no excuse for 2 Shmucking horrible calls by the refs....bottom line is the refs won this game for chucky and the raiders despite bakers mistakes and our horrible defense...bottom line is we won this game and those refs should be Shmucking suspended just like they suspend players....crhying shame
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