Some thoughts (Browns at Raiders)
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Not that they should, but I think they cut Lynch some slack because they blew the call with their quick whistle...
Then it's his fault for not stretching to the 1st down marker like good backs do when going down close enough to stretch it out.
In his Defense he was targeted in the back of his helmet on the way down to the ground.
Thanks.
dammit. I feel like going out into the barn and cleaning up the firewood after this game.
You're welcome...
And if that's like being taken to the woodshed... then have at it.
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123ypc, he will bump into Forrest Gump with numbers like that...
LOL, but you got it. I was astonished as I kept seeing 8ypc, 7.7 ypc... in 3rd and 4th quater. I checked now on NFL.com... 20 carries for 130 yards, 6.5 average. That's savage.
LOL, but you got it. I was astonished as I kept seeing 8ypc, 7.7 ypc... in 3rd and 4th quarter. I checked now on NFL.com... 20 carries for 130 yards, 6.5 average. That's savage.
Chubb- three carries for 100+ why didn't we play him more?
NJokeWho is scary bad
When he actually catches the ball. Baker hit him in the hands for an easy first down -dropsies. to share the wealth, Callaway had at least three.
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yep.
Question:
Does ANYBODY think that the refs would ignore that call if it were a BROWNS player kicking the ball?
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LOL, but you got it. I was astonished as I kept seeing 8ypc, 7.7 ypc... in 3rd and 4th quarter. I checked now on NFL.com... 20 carries for 130 yards, 6.5 average. That's savage.
Chubb- three carries for 100+ why didn't we play him more?
NJokeWho is scary bad
When he actually catches the ball. Baker hit him in the hands for an easy first down -dropsies. to share the wealth, Callaway had at least three.
Chubb- three carries for 100+ why didn't we play him more?
To not use him once when trying to ice the game was crazy to me
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To not use him once when trying to ice the game was crazy to me
I think he had 3 total runs. And over 100 yards. Just a simple coaching mistake.
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OK. It's 2:24 AM, gotta wake up in less than 5 hours, but this game got me angry, so let's use my energy in something useful.
I liked:
- Myles Garrett. When he's not stacking up sacks, he's blocking the run and is a nightmare.
- Ward. If you have a corner that Derek Carr and Amari Cooper prefer not to challenge, that's something to cheer about.
- Pressure: Overall, Carr was far from comfortable for most of the game. Maybe he didn't get sack as much, but he had many times a lot of pressure and little space.
- Ground attack: We're getting better and Chubb shows some promise with those 2 long runs. Hyde is perfect for the 3-4 yard gains.
- Baker Mayfield: He is a leader, has a lot of fire and brings a lot of energy, along with some intelligence and maybe a bit of ''it factor''. It's going to be amazing if he keeps improving (which I think he will).
I didn't like:
- Let's say the easy one first: The refs. I never like to complain about them but they made some wtf calls.
- DROPS: Man, we cannot miss those balls. It doesn't help our rookie QB.
- Both Mayfield 'let's try this one'. Still, he's a rookie so no surprise here. Let's hope he knows when to take risks and not play a deep ball to a 1 on 1 when the game doesn't ask for it (3rd downs and with the game at stake). I think this is worse than the fumbles, which I think are easy to correct.
- Run Defense: Lynch averaged 123 ypc. He's good, but not that good.
- ST: We don't return anything, we don't cover anything. Every punt/kick off I'm just wishing it ends as fast as possible.
- Under zone pass defense: Tight ends and big receivers kills us. At this matches, I expect people like Peppers who play close to the box to stand up at least scaring them out of the middle, but we don't.
- Last but not least: We still don't know how to win. We held 3 teams (2 of them with very good offenses) to under 21 points. Now that we score 42, they still outscore us. We cannot lose 14 point leads, play afraid, go for a 2 point conversion when you're ahead in a 1st quater (what was that for?). We need to get games closed, seize the turnovers, don't suffer them and keep grinding.
This team is not a 1-2-1 team. A few things here and there, and we would be 4-0 EASILY. It can be frustrating (for me, at this very moment after a L, it is), but let's hope we keep getting better.
Go Browns!
OK. It's 2:24 AM, gotta wake up in less than 5 hours, but this game got me angry, so let's use my energy in something useful.
I liked:
- Myles Garrett. When he's not stacking up sacks, he's blocking the run and is a nightmare.
- Ward. If you have a corner that Derek Carr and Amari Cooper prefer not to challenge, that's something to cheer about.
- Pressure: Overall, Carr was far from comfortable for most of the game. Maybe he didn't get sack as much, but he had many times a lot of pressure and little space.
- Ground attack: We're getting better and Chubb shows some promise with those 2 long runs. Hyde is perfect for the 3-4 yard gains.
- Baker Mayfield: He is a leader, has a lot of fire and brings a lot of energy, along with some intelligence and maybe a bit of ''it factor''. It's going to be amazing if he keeps improving (which I think he will).
I didn't like:
- Let's say the easy one first: The refs. I never like to complain about them but they made some wtf calls.
- DROPS: Man, we cannot miss those balls. It doesn't help our rookie QB.
- Both Mayfield 'let's try this one'. Still, he's a rookie so no surprise here. Let's hope he knows when to take risks and not play a deep ball to a 1 on 1 when the game doesn't ask for it (3rd downs and with the game at stake). I think this is worse than the fumbles, which I think are easy to correct.
- Run Defense: Lynch averaged 123 ypc. He's good, but not that good.
- ST: We don't return anything, we don't cover anything. Every punt/kick off I'm just wishing it ends as fast as possible.
- Under zone pass defense: Tight ends and big receivers kills us. At this matches, I expect people like Peppers who play close to the box to stand up at least scaring them out of the middle, but we don't.
- Last but not least: We still don't know how to win. We held 3 teams (2 of them with very good offenses) to under 21 points. Now that we score 42, they still outscore us. We cannot lose 14 point leads, play afraid, go for a 2 point conversion when you're ahead in a 1st quater (what was that for?). We need to get games closed, seize the turnovers, don't suffer them and keep grinding.
This team is not a 1-2-1 team. A few things here and there, and we would be 4-0 EASILY. It can be frustrating (for me, at this very moment after a L, it is), but let's hope we keep getting better.
Go Browns!
We had a 14 point lead and virtually no chance to win. I felt it. Most everyone felt it. It's an indescribable force we've dealt with for years, and my hope was that a young man like Baker could change that narrative. But now we see. We see that even Baker is no match for whatever powerful force that causes us to lose in ways not thought possible. There's something wrong with our franchise. Call it a curse or whatever. But there's something wrong.
And don't look at our schedule. Let's just say I hope everyone enjoyed that Jets victory, because I'm not sure when we'll have that feeling again.
Go Browns.
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As for the kick return game... is Peppers Retarded? Yes, I know he's from ichigan, but what the hell. Twice that I can remember, that bag of rocks runs straight up and manages to get tackled by his own blocker because he runs right into him??!! When we needed yardage, that Shmucker tacks the ball out of the end zone instead of taking the knee. This guy was supposed to be a return guy, he's done nothing but make me go WTF!! At this point, let Chubb return the ball
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Pepper's and Hue should both be on the Expendables squad now.
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Yeah I'm no expert on punt/kick returns but it did seem like EVERY god damn time peppers or whoever ran straight up the butt of his own team mate
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Quick add:
This is what a genuine rebuilding year looks like:
- Exciting young players demonstrating their potential by actually making plays on the field, not just giving hints of what they might do here and there
- Keeping it close/staying in it game after game with a genuine chance to win. All those games they "coulda, shoulda" won -- not because a fan wishes it so through rose colored glasses or beer goggles but because it's really true
- Other teams having to play much better when facing the Browns rather than phoning it in
Lots of previous seasons over the past many years billed as "rebuilding" were just called that because otherwise is admitting the team just sucks... again.
Sure fans want more wins faster. Nothing wrong with that. A better kicker to start the season and few calls going the other way could have the Browns anywhere from 4-0 to 2-1-1. Yell at Hue and the coaching staff. Yell at the refs and play review team. Yell at other forum posters. This team has genuine potential. Not a guarantee, not a lock on any number of wins, but real and true potential.
Can they learn and adjust from what has and hasn't worked so far? What is their realistic cap for improvement this year in terms of gameplay and win-loss record? Who knows. There is always a (slim) chance the team will become self-defeating and be blown up again, but that would be a shame.
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Quick add:
This is what a genuine rebuilding year looks like:
- Exciting young players demonstrating their potential by actually making plays on the field, not just giving hints of what they might do here and there
- Keeping it close/staying in it game after game with a genuine chance to win. All those games they "coulda, shoulda" won -- not because a fan wishes it so through rose colored glasses or beer goggles but because it's really true
- Other teams having to play much better when facing the Browns rather than phoning it in
Lots of previous seasons over the past many years billed as "rebuilding" were just called that because otherwise is admitting the team just sucks... again.
Sure fans want more wins faster. Nothing wrong with that. A better kicker to start the season and few calls going the other way could have the Browns anywhere from 4-0 to 2-1-1. Yell at Hue and the coaching staff. Yell at the refs and play review team. Yell at other forum posters. This team has genuine potential. Not a guarantee, not a lock on any number of wins, but real and true potential.
Can they learn and adjust from what has and hasn't worked so far? What is their realistic cap for improvement this year in terms of gameplay and win-loss record? Who knows. There is always a (slim) chance the team will become self-defeating and be blown up again, but that would be a shame.
Quick add:
This is what a genuine rebuilding year looks like:
- Exciting young players demonstrating their potential by actually making plays on the field, not just giving hints of what they might do here and there
- Keeping it close/staying in it game after game with a genuine chance to win. All those games they "coulda, shoulda" won -- not because a fan wishes it so through rose colored glasses or beer goggles but because it's really true
- Other teams having to play much better when facing the Browns rather than phoning it in
Lots of previous seasons over the past many years billed as "rebuilding" were just called that because otherwise is admitting the team just sucks... again.
Sure fans want more wins faster. Nothing wrong with that. A better kicker to start the season and few calls going the other way could have the Browns anywhere from 4-0 to 2-1-1. Yell at Hue and the coaching staff. Yell at the refs and play review team. Yell at other forum posters. This team has genuine potential. Not a guarantee, not a lock on any number of wins, but real and true potential.
Can they learn and adjust from what has and hasn't worked so far? What is their realistic cap for improvement this year in terms of gameplay and win-loss record? Who knows. There is always a (slim) chance the team will become self-defeating and be blown up again, but that would be a shame.
Sick of "rebuilding" we've been doing this rebuilding Sheet since '99...
Finish the "rebuild" and win some games!!! -
To not use him once when trying to ice the game was crazy to me
I think he had 3 total runs. And over 100 yards. Just a simple coaching mistake.
I think he had 3 total runs. And over 100 yards. Just a simple coaching mistake.
My thoughts exactly. He's obviously feeling it.... Feed him the damn ball more
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Quick add:
This is what a genuine rebuilding year looks like:
- Exciting young players demonstrating their potential by actually making plays on the field, not just giving hints of what they might do here and there
- Keeping it close/staying in it game after game with a genuine chance to win. All those games they "coulda, shoulda" won -- not because a fan wishes it so through rose colored glasses or beer goggles but because it's really true
- Other teams having to play much better when facing the Browns rather than phoning it in
Lots of previous seasons over the past many years billed as "rebuilding" were just called that because otherwise is admitting the team just sucks... again.
Sure fans want more wins faster. Nothing wrong with that. A better kicker to start the season and few calls going the other way could have the Browns anywhere from 4-0 to 2-1-1. Yell at Hue and the coaching staff. Yell at the refs and play review team. Yell at other forum posters. This team has genuine potential. Not a guarantee, not a lock on any number of wins, but real and true potential.
Can they learn and adjust from what has and hasn't worked so far? What is their realistic cap for improvement this year in terms of gameplay and win-loss record? Who knows. There is always a (slim) chance the team will become self-defeating and be blown up again, but that would be a shame.
Quick add:
This is what a genuine rebuilding year looks like:
- Exciting young players demonstrating their potential by actually making plays on the field, not just giving hints of what they might do here and there
- Keeping it close/staying in it game after game with a genuine chance to win. All those games they "coulda, shoulda" won -- not because a fan wishes it so through rose colored glasses or beer goggles but because it's really true
- Other teams having to play much better when facing the Browns rather than phoning it in
Lots of previous seasons over the past many years billed as "rebuilding" were just called that because otherwise is admitting the team just sucks... again.
Sure fans want more wins faster. Nothing wrong with that. A better kicker to start the season and few calls going the other way could have the Browns anywhere from 4-0 to 2-1-1. Yell at Hue and the coaching staff. Yell at the refs and play review team. Yell at other forum posters. This team has genuine potential. Not a guarantee, not a lock on any number of wins, but real and true potential.
Can they learn and adjust from what has and hasn't worked so far? What is their realistic cap for improvement this year in terms of gameplay and win-loss record? Who knows. There is always a (slim) chance the team will become self-defeating and be blown up again, but that would be a shame.
There are posts every now and then that I wish I'd written...
This is one of them.
Pretty big thoughts for a tinythinker...
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I agree but with one proviso.................has our gameday coach learned anything about proper use of the clock, TO's, when to go for two vs one or whether he has a gassed defense or not? Evidence seems to indicate the answer into year 3 is still little to none.
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I kept seeing flagrant oline holding by oakland.
No calls.
a flagrant block in the back on a return, no call.
their TE's shove off - no calls.
Lynch gets mad, kicks the ball downfield - no call.
how they changed the Browns first down to not a first down- how the hell do you DO that?
The Browns defensive game plan didn't work - they rarely could get to Carr before he had a wide open outlet pass.
I don't get that - maybe it's just my fault.
The Browns receivers drop too many balls. Baker took too many chances.
The offensive line kept getting run over - bad matchup with our oline and their front seven.
The Raiders have a whole lot of talent - we had a rookie rb, qb, wr.. and scored a bunch of points.
A whole lot to build on. 13-2-1 sounds pretty good to me.
Question - the hit on Njoku - they reversed it to no penalty - but wasn't that "hitting a defenseless receiver" ? or not?
STATEMENT:
Chubb sure looked great - he was 3 runs for a freaking 105 yards and TWO touchdowns.
What was that about him having a "lack of vision" that concerns Tiamsies?
(yes, I had to fix it...)
I shouted penalty as soon as Marshawn Lynch kicked that ball especially egregious that it wasn't called as the Raiders scored later on that drive. The refs were terrible but unfortunately we're still not good enough to overcome that yet .
I shouted penalty as soon as Marshawn Lynch kicked that ball especially egregious that it wasn't called as the Raiders scored later on that drive. The refs were terrible but unfortunately we're still not good enough to overcome that yet .
I could be wrong but l think Lynch whiffed when teying the kick the ball. Had he actually kicked it l think it would have been a penalty, but since he missed...
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I agree but with one proviso.................has our gameday coach learned anything about proper use of the clock, TO's, when to go for two vs one or whether he has a gassed defense or not? Evidence seems to indicate the answer into year 3 is still little to none.
I agree but with one proviso.................has our gameday coach learned anything about proper use of the clock, TO's, when to go for two vs one or whether he has a gassed defense or not? Evidence seems to indicate the answer into year 3 is still little to none.
Could played to win too. Fourth and a foot midfield to win. Punt to not.
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I agree but with one proviso.................has our gameday coach learned anything about proper use of the clock, TO's, when to go for two vs one or whether he has a gassed defense or not? Evidence seems to indicate the answer into year 3 is still little to none.
Could played to win too. Fourth and a foot midfield to win. Punt to not.
Could played to win too. Fourth and a foot midfield to win. Punt to not.
19 yard line is midfield?
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I agree but with one proviso.................has our gameday coach learned anything about proper use of the clock, TO's, when to go for two vs one or whether he has a gassed defense or not? Evidence seems to indicate the answer into year 3 is still little to none.
Could played to win too. Fourth and a foot midfield to win. Punt to not.
Could played to win too. Fourth and a foot midfield to win. Punt to not.
With a totally gassed defense I would not have faulted him at all going for it 4th and inches after the "new" spot closer to our goalline if he used a jumbo package with Hyde and our biggest TE blasting together behind Baker to push him forward on a sneak. They could have picked him up and carried him that short distance. The outcome was obviously going to be the same as punting even if we didn't make it. Got to have a pair if you want to win one of those kinds of games.
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Could played to win too. Fourth and a foot midfield to win. Punt to not.
19 yard line is midfield?
19 yard line is midfield?
You're right. I was just thinking of the ot play. I still sneak or give it to a back. Play to win.
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You're right. I was just thinking of the other play. I still sneak or give it to a back. Play to win.
Ya.... I might have too. But if you miss and they score.... ugh....
After watching Haley the last few weeks in short yardage situations though...... he would have ran a quadruple fake jet sweep flea flicker hook and ladder and lost 20 yards.....
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