How About These Refs & Goodell's League?
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Look, we won. But if a WR getting clean hit off his feet isnt a PI theres a fundamental problem. To suggest a WR cant make up 25 or so yards in the two seconds after he got leveled is a joke.
When this nonsense happens to your team week in and week out, objectively, its supicisous. Do I think the Goddell is giving a reach around to replay ton impact calls? No. But how many weeks are you gonna see what keeps happening and wonder why?
It's still not rigged.
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I'll let you believe in your mantra Mark. Rigged, no. totally incompetent- in several instances yes. We not only had to beat the Ravens but the Refs on top of it.
If it was rigged, the large TV markets would always win. Are they making bad calls, of course but the games are not rigged.
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I'll let you believe in your mantra Mark. Rigged, no. totally incompetent- in several instances yes. We not only had to beat the Ravens but the Refs on top of it.
If it was rigged, the large TV markets would always win. Are they making bad calls, of course but the games are not rigged.
If it was rigged, the large TV markets would always win. Are they making bad calls, of course but the games are not rigged.
Here's the deal Mark. when we start winning- we start getting the better Reffing crews. That's a fact. somebody posted somewhere the Ref Crew was 1-8 when they had the Browns- Raiders game. we might ave sucked, but we also got no breaks on the calls.
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what happened to "hitting a defenseless receiver?"
he clocked him, and they wouldn't call pi because the ball was uncatchable ...
seriously?
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I wouldn't say its rigged, its almost like there is some bias against Browns because of how we have played so long. And it usually happens to the Browns in key situations. There is laundry list of them going on for years. When I watch other games, I see bad calls too, but nothing that matches watching a Browns game. Its uncanny. The league has already admitted to screwed up two calls this year, wouldn't surprise me if the admit to more after today.
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It's not rigged.
Look, we won. But if a WR getting clean hit off his feet isnt a PI theres a fundamental problem. To suggest a WR cant make up 25 or so yards in the two seconds after he got leveled is a joke.
When this nonsense happens to your team week in and week out, objectively, its supicisous. Do I think the Goddell is giving a reach around to replay ton impact calls? No. But how many weeks are you gonna see what keeps happening and wonder why?
Look, we won. But if a WR getting clean hit off his feet isnt a PI theres a fundamental problem. To suggest a WR cant make up 25 or so yards in the two seconds after he got leveled is a joke.
When this nonsense happens to your team week in and week out, objectively, its supicisous. Do I think the Goddell is giving a reach around to replay ton impact calls? No. But how many weeks are you gonna see what keeps happening and wonder why?
^^^could not be said any better***plus 100%.. defenders only look was to take out the receiver..squarely high in the chest plate..defender had no clue where the ball was at..
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I've been watching tons LESS of the NFL the past few years. Why? Yellow Sheet littering the field every other play. Makes watching paint dry exciting again.
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I wouldn't say its rigged, its almost like there is some bias against Browns because of how we have played so long. And it usually happens to the Browns in key situations. There is laundry list of them going on for years. When I watch other games, I see bad calls too, but nothing that matches watching a Browns game. Its uncanny. The league has already admitted to screwed up two calls this year, wouldn't surprise me if the admit to more after today.
I wouldn't say its rigged, its almost like there is some bias against Browns because of how we have played so long. And it usually happens to the Browns in key situations. There is laundry list of them going on for years. When I watch other games, I see bad calls too, but nothing that matches watching a Browns game. Its uncanny. The league has already admitted to screwed up two calls this year, wouldn't surprise me if the admit to more after today.
Precisely! Bias of there's a whole lotta "it's only Cleveland so who cares" perspective among the flag happy.
Occasional bad calls - we're not having this conversation. Trend? Here we are - what it is....
For those that didn't GET it - this thread got started during the game only 1 team seemed to be getting flagged consistently. It seemed like when Baltimore got flagged - we made the first down or a kick anyway.
Did anyone have to look to hard to see the guy across from Garrett false starting? Did anyone listen to Dieken on the radio when our RT got flagged for a phantom hold? That's not a guy that likes to blame officials for the most part. Again, why the sudden fuss in back to back week? A TREND pulling the game away from the Browns and their chance to win a close game hanging on 1 call or 1 play.
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I've been watching tons LESS of the NFL the past few years. Why? Yellow Sheet littering the field every other play. Makes watching paint dry exciting again.
I've been watching tons LESS of the NFL the past few years. Why? Yellow Sheet littering the field every other play. Makes watching paint dry exciting again.
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I'll let you believe in your mantra Mark. Rigged, no. totally incompetent- in several instances yes. We not only had to beat the Ravens but the Refs on top of it.
If it was rigged, the large TV markets would always win. Are they making bad calls, of course but the games are not rigged.
If it was rigged, the large TV markets would always win. Are they making bad calls, of course but the games are not rigged.
You mean like the Raiders current market that also has to appeal to a Vegas market (after their brand new NHL team made the Stanley Cup Finals in their 1st year as a franchise)? I'd say that's a pretty high barometer set - so, is a league needing to please 2 different states/markets today okay with an 0-3 Raiders team losing to 1 more episode of "it's only Cleveland?" Telling us they got the Carr fumble they didn't allow wrong took the game winning points off the board. Did Haslam's church mouse quiet all week change how our home crowd and many fans felt about the officiating THIS WEEK?
This week the Raiders played against the LA market so they didn't get nearly as many favors.
I don't feel like I've ever complained about the officiating the way this year has given me countless reasons to do so...
Just out of curiosity, how many small markets have won SBs beside GB?
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No, not pretending on that or even saying they were good this week or any other week. And yeah somebody did say something about it.
Now I will be certain to admit I did expect to see A LOT more about that one call.
Just glad they won, maybe wont see as much about officials this week lol
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Nobody in this thread said anything about it and Gene Saratore also explained it almost immediately that a hold must occur before the ball is in the air. Didn't happen. That one they got right. They got a lot right but they weren't nearly as ambitious to call the same penalties the other way.
I'm glad they won too.
Nobody in this thread said anything about it and Gene Saratore also explained it almost immediately that a hold must occur before the ball is in the air.
I know he said "illegal contact". I do not remember him talking about "holding", but he might have...
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It's not rigged.
Look, we won. But if a WR getting clean hit off his feet isnt a PI theres a fundamental problem. To suggest a WR cant make up 25 or so yards in the two seconds after he got leveled is a joke.
When this nonsense happens to your team week in and week out, objectively, its supicisous. Do I think the Goddell is giving a reach around to replay ton impact calls? No. But how many weeks are you gonna see what keeps happening and wonder why?
Look, we won. But if a WR getting clean hit off his feet isnt a PI theres a fundamental problem. To suggest a WR cant make up 25 or so yards in the two seconds after he got leveled is a joke.
Did you watch the game? Our WR was running a square out... Baker threw a deep fade. No way in hell is that ball can be caught up with, let alone caught.
what happened to "hitting a defenseless receiver?" he clocked him, and they wouldn't call pi because the ball was uncatchable ... seriously?
It wasn't a collision of players headed in opposite directions... or even a 90 deg angle. Both the WR and the DB were heading to the slide line which makes the "clocking" less violent. PLus it wasn't a shot to the head or neck area so there's that.
And since "uncatchable" is in the rules...
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Look, we won. But if a WR getting clean hit off his feet isnt a PI theres a fundamental problem. To suggest a WR cant make up 25 or so yards in the two seconds after he got leveled is a joke.
Did you watch the game? Our WR was running a square out... Baker threw a deep fade. No way in hell is that ball can be caught up with, let alone caught.
what happened to "hitting a defenseless receiver?" he clocked him, and they wouldn't call pi because the ball was uncatchable ... seriously?
It wasn't a collision of players headed in opposite directions... or even a 90 deg angle. Both the WR and the DB were heading to the slide line which makes the "clocking" less violent. PLus it wasn't a shot to the head or neck area so there's that.
And since "uncatchable" is in the rules...
Did you watch the game? Our WR was running a square out... Baker threw a deep fade. No way in hell is that ball can be caught up with, let alone caught.
It wasn't a collision of players headed in opposite directions... or even a 90 deg angle. Both the WR and the DB were heading to the slide line which makes the "clocking" less violent. PLus it wasn't a shot to the head or neck area so there's that.
And since "uncatchable" is in the rules...
Here's the replay: https://www.sbnation.com/2018/10/7/17948798/browns-vs-ravens-ot-win-game-winning-kick-baker-mayfield
If Jarvis Landry is running a square out route he's doing a terrible job. I'm not sure where you're possibly seeing him running that. He was running a straight line to the sideline. By my basic view, he was on about the 27 yard line when he got clobbered. The ball was in the air by my very inaccurate measure about 1.5 seconds after the hit and landed about 5 yard line. Could Jarvis had realistically gone 20 ish yards? No. But is that uncatchable? Absolutely not.
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Did you watch the game? Our WR was running a square out... Baker threw a deep fade. No way in hell is that ball can be caught up with, let alone caught.
It wasn't a collision of players headed in opposite directions... or even a 90 deg angle. Both the WR and the DB were heading to the slide line which makes the "clocking" less violent. PLus it wasn't a shot to the head or neck area so there's that.
And since "uncatchable" is in the rules...
Here's the replay: https://www.sbnation.com/2018/10/7/17948798/browns-vs-ravens-ot-win-game-winning-kick-baker-mayfield
If Jarvis Landry is running a square out route he's doing a terrible job. I'm not sure where you're possibly seeing him running that. He was running a straight line to the sideline. By my basic view, he was on about the 27 yard line when he got clobbered. The ball was in the air by my very inaccurate measure about 1.5 seconds after the hit and landed about 5 yard line. Could Jarvis had realistically gone 20 ish yards? No. But is that uncatchable? Absolutely not.
Here's the replay: https://www.sbnation.com/2018/10/7/17948798/browns-vs-ravens-ot-win-game-winning-kick-baker-mayfield
If Jarvis Landry is running a square out route he's doing a terrible job. I'm not sure where you're possibly seeing him running that. He was running a straight line to the sideline. By my basic view, he was on about the 27 yard line when he got clobbered. The ball was in the air by my very inaccurate measure about 1.5 seconds after the hit and landed about 5 yard line. Could Jarvis had realistically gone 20 ish yards? No. But is that uncatchable? Absolutely not.
Got me there... I had Willies in my mind's eye... who was curling in.
Still... NFW the ball is catchable.
Watching the gif I came away thinking it was a pick play for Willies. And it looks like the DB who hit Landry had Willies in coverage and was trying to get to his man.
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To answer a few questions here, and not going to quote each one.
He wasnt running a square out. If you want to use the out part, he was running and Out and go. More realistic would be a wheel route. The ball was going where it was intended.
There was illegal contact and holding, no question. Both of those could have been called. But where Landry was and where the ball ended up it was uncatchable, so there can be no PI.
As for the question about defenseless player, nothing happened to it. Landry wasnt defenseless. It is not even close to being defenseless. I think you may be confused on what defenseless means by rule or definition?
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To answer a few questions here, and not going to quote each one.
He wasnt running a square out. If you want to use the out part, he was running and Out and go. More realistic would be a wheel route. The ball was going where it was intended.
There was illegal contact and holding, no question. Both of those could have been called. But where Landry was and where the ball ended up it was uncatchable, so there can be no PI.
As for the question about defenseless player, nothing happened to it. Landry wasnt defenseless. It is not even close to being defenseless. I think you may be confused on what defenseless means by rule or definition?
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To answer a few questions here, and not going to quote each one.
He wasnt running a square out. If you want to use the out part, he was running and Out and go. More realistic would be a wheel route. The ball was going where it was intended.
There was illegal contact and holding, no question. Both of those could have been called. But where Landry was and where the ball ended up it was uncatchable, so there can be no PI.
As for the question about defenseless player, nothing happened to it. Landry wasnt defenseless. It is not even close to being defenseless. I think you may be confused on what defenseless means by rule or definition?
To answer a few questions here, and not going to quote each one.
He wasnt running a square out. If you want to use the out part, he was running and Out and go. More realistic would be a wheel route. The ball was going where it was intended.
There was illegal contact and holding, no question. Both of those could have been called. But where Landry was and where the ball ended up it was uncatchable, so there can be no PI.
As for the question about defenseless player, nothing happened to it. Landry wasnt defenseless. It is not even close to being defenseless. I think you may be confused on what defenseless means by rule or definition?
Just never going to agree with that. To assume Landry in approximately 1.5 to 2 seconds couldn't have been close to that ball if he didn't get leveled just doesn't make sense. I'm not going to disagree that getting leveled aside he was going to be 3-4 yards short of the ball when it came down. Is that truly far enough to be uncatchable? Again, absolutely not. Had that contact occurred later in the play it gets called 100%. It looked worse than it actually was in terms of how far away he was because, ya know, he got leveled.
Tomlin got it right yesterday. This league has a HUGE problem right now with reffing.
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I know he said "illegal contact". I do not remember him talking about "holding", but he might have...
Thanks Tour! That is correct - it wasn't holding he said. It was "illegal contact."
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