Hyde traded
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This strikes me as a move made by a GM who knows the current coaching staff isn't going to be here next season, and he could not give a flying fudge (but I didn't say fudge) about what they want or their feelings. He's going to get who he wants on the field now.
Ya or it gives Hue another excuse for Jimmah.
“He trades my starting veteran running back mid season for a 5th round pick”
Not to mention Dorsey signed Hyde. So he’s using the Vet he signed at RB... just like he was using the QB vet he signed
I don’t know. Hopefully they are taking the payroll of a player they don’t really need and signing a WR or some LB depth...
Ya or it gives Hue another excuse for Jimmah.
“He trades my starting veteran running back mid season for a 5th round pick”
???
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Relax boys Dorsey knows what’s he’s doing I was a big skeptic at first with the mayfield Ward picks but the man can build a team. I would say he got the draft pick not only to get Chubb in the line up but to give Oakland a 5th and a third for cooper. As the dough bag in Green Bay said R.A.L.A.X this is a good thing get rid the player a year early not a year late. What I am waiting to see is where Tyrod is going and what we will get for him. Back to buffalo for Benjamin. Mabey to New York for Shepard all good things.
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I still don’t get the reasoning behind this trade, only thing I can think of is they are trying to bring in some big money players before the deadline.... need WR, CB depth, LB depth...
but the Browns are still 5th in salary cap space in the league...
I still don’t get the reasoning behind this trade, only thing I can think of is they are trying to bring in some big money players before the deadline.... need WR, CB depth, LB depth...
but the Browns are still 5th in salary cap space in the league...
Dorsey thinks this is a young team still in the rebuilding stage, while Hue is obvious win now mode.
Dorsey sees that Chubb and Johnson are part of the future, but Hyde was getting over 70% of the rushes from the tailback position. In Dorsey's world of building for the future, that made zero sense.
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I still don’t get the reasoning behind this trade, only thing I can think of is they are trying to bring in some big money players before the deadline.... need WR, CB depth, LB depth...
but the Browns are still 5th in salary cap space in the league...
Dorsey thinks this is a young team still in the rebuilding stage, while Hue is obvious win now mode.
Dorsey sees that Chubb and Johnson are part of the future, but Hyde was getting over 70% of the rushes from the tailback position. In Dorsey's world of building for the future, that made zero sense.
Dorsey thinks this is a young team still in the rebuilding stage, while Hue is obvious win now mode.
Dorsey sees that Chubb and Johnson are part of the future, but Hyde was getting over 70% of the rushes from the tailback position. In Dorsey's world of building for the future, that made zero sense.
So why did Dorsey sign Hyde in the first place?
(Then he drafted Chubb with a 2nd, then paid Duke top ten RB money..... senior moment??)
I’m not saying Chubb shouldn’t be #1 back, I’ve been complaining Duke needs the ball way more also. Just don’t get trading away a guy that can produce and keeps a position at good depth for a flipping fifth round pick on the youngest team in the NFL. Most teams would just move a guy to a different spot on the depth chart...
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Dorsey thinks this is a young team still in the rebuilding stage, while Hue is obvious win now mode.
Dorsey sees that Chubb and Johnson are part of the future, but Hyde was getting over 70% of the rushes from the tailback position. In Dorsey's world of building for the future, that made zero sense.
So why did Dorsey sign Hyde in the first place?
(Then he drafted Chubb with a 2nd, then paid Duke top ten RB money..... senior moment??)
I’m not saying Chubb shouldn’t be #1 back, I’ve been complaining Duke needs the ball way more also. Just don’t get trading away a guy that can produce and keeps a position at good depth for a flipping fifth round pick on the youngest team in the NFL. Most teams would just move a guy to a different spot on the depth chart...
So why did Dorsey sign Hyde in the first place? Then pay Duke top ten RB money?
He signed him before drafting Chubb, right? (I honestly don't remember)
If he did, probably did it for insurance, nothing wrong with having three quality RBs.
Problem was, I'm guessing in Dorsey's mind, is that Hyde was getting almost 3/4 of the carries from the tailback position, and two talented RBs who are the future of the Browns backfield were collecting dust. Total speculation, but if the split would had been more 50/25/25 for Hyde/Chubb/Johnson, Hyde might be still here.
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So why did Dorsey sign Hyde in the first place? Then pay Duke top ten RB money?
He signed him before drafting Chubb, right? (I honestly don't remember)
If he did, probably did it for insurance, nothing wrong with having three quality RBs.
Problem was, I'm guessing in Dorsey's mind, is that Hyde was getting almost 3/4 of the carries from the tailback position, and two talented RBs who are the future of the Browns backfield were collecting dust. Total speculation, but if the split would had been more 50/25/25 for Hyde/Chubb/Johnson, Hyde might be still here.
He signed him before drafting Chubb, right? (I honestly don't remember)
If he did, probably did it for insurance, nothing wrong with having three quality RBs.
Problem was, I'm guessing in Dorsey's mind, is that Hyde was getting almost 3/4 of the carries from the tailback position, and two talented RBs who are the future of the Browns backfield were collecting dust. Total speculation, but if the split would had been more 50/25/25 for Hyde/Chubb/Johnson, Hyde might be still here.
Maybe.
i guess if they make a move for a position they need and use the 5th they picked up it will make sense.
This is just a weird move as it stands
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So why did Dorsey sign Hyde in the first place? Then pay Duke top ten RB money?
He signed him before drafting Chubb, right? (I honestly don't remember)
If he did, probably did it for insurance, nothing wrong with having three quality RBs.
Problem was, I'm guessing in Dorsey's mind, is that Hyde was getting almost 3/4 of the carries from the tailback position, and two talented RBs who are the future of the Browns backfield were collecting dust. Total speculation, but if the split would had been more 50/25/25 for Hyde/Chubb/Johnson, Hyde might be still here.
He signed him before drafting Chubb, right? (I honestly don't remember)
If he did, probably did it for insurance, nothing wrong with having three quality RBs.
Problem was, I'm guessing in Dorsey's mind, is that Hyde was getting almost 3/4 of the carries from the tailback position, and two talented RBs who are the future of the Browns backfield were collecting dust. Total speculation, but if the split would had been more 50/25/25 for Hyde/Chubb/Johnson, Hyde might be still here.
Actually (true story) I called Dorsey and told him they were screwing up one of my FLs and Duke was not getting enough touches.
Problem solved and Hyde is now the JAX #1 guy......honest, he is.
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I'm not sure I get it. I'm ASSUMING Chubb got exponentially better at picking up the blitz? And did we already forget he was responsible for a missed block resulting in a blocked punt?
I'm not hating on Chubb, it's obvious he has immense ability and breakaway speed, but I'm concerned about the inexperience. During a time when we lost some starters and got our butt thumped, we trade our starting RB? Ehhhh....ok?
On the flip side, I am excited about seeing Chubb get some more running opportunities, and I also believe Duke will be used more as well.
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He signed him before drafting Chubb, right? (I honestly don't remember)
If he did, probably did it for insurance, nothing wrong with having three quality RBs.
Problem was, I'm guessing in Dorsey's mind, is that Hyde was getting almost 3/4 of the carries from the tailback position, and two talented RBs who are the future of the Browns backfield were collecting dust. Total speculation, but if the split would had been more 50/25/25 for Hyde/Chubb/Johnson, Hyde might be still here.
Maybe.
i guess if they make a move for a position they need and use the 5th they picked up it will make sense.
This is just a weird move as it stands
Maybe.
i guess if they make a move for a position they need and use the 5th they picked up it will make sense.
This is just a weird move as it stands
Perhaps.
That or Dorsey is looking at this season like a baseball team nearing the trade deadline that is still one year away from real playoff contention - what's the point of trying to win 80 games with veteran players whose contracts are running out when you can trade them, get something for them, and let your young players get valuable experience.
ESPECIALLY if his mind is already made up regarding Hue (which I tend to think it is, maybe has been for quite a while) and Dorsey isn't really concerned with this season's record. This is Dorsey's first year, and his draft looks pretty damn good already.
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I'm not sure I get it. I'm ASSUMING Chubb got exponentially better at picking up the blitz? And did we already forget he was responsible for a missed block resulting in a blocked punt?
I'm not hating on Chubb, it's obvious he has immense ability and breakaway speed, but I'm concerned about the inexperience. During a time when we lost some starters and got our butt thumped, we trade our starting RB? Ehhhh....ok?
On the flip side, I am excited about seeing Chubb get some more running opportunities, and I also believe Duke will be used more as well.
I'm not sure I get it. I'm ASSUMING Chubb got exponentially better at picking up the blitz? And did we already forget he was responsible for a missed block resulting in a blocked punt?
I'm not hating on Chubb, it's obvious he has immense ability and breakaway speed, but I'm concerned about the inexperience. During a time when we lost some starters and got our butt thumped, we trade our starting RB? Ehhhh....ok?
On the flip side, I am excited about seeing Chubb get some more running opportunities, and I also believe Duke will be used more as well.
You aren't wrong to wonder this jiggins… I said the same exact thing recently when I expressed why I thought Chubb was getting so little run.
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This strikes me as a move made by a GM who knows the current coaching staff isn't going to be here next season, and he could not give a flying fudge (but I didn't say fudge) about what they want or their feelings. He's going to get who he wants on the field now.
This strikes me as a move made by a GM who knows the current coaching staff isn't going to be here next season, and he could not give a flying fudge (but I didn't say fudge) about what they want or their feelings. He's going to get who he wants on the field now.
In the short time Haslam has been here - he's already fired Chud, and Pettine. That led to countless media, fans, and consultants telling him he can't build anything decent when HC tenures aren't lasting longer than a cup of coffee. Haslam listened, learned and said he'd be more patient with his next hire. This was Hue, who proceeded to start off 1-31 like a steel toe shitt kicker Jimmy right between the lookers. Who's kidding who here? Someone's get'n FIRED and it's the inexperienced FO guy that despite some nice trades - other FOs were drafting guys we could have drafted like: Carson Wentz, Zeke Elliott, Joey Bosa, Michael Thomas (not to be confused with Corey "Scissorhands" Coleman), Patrick Mahomes, DeShaun Watson, etc.
That doesn't mean Jimmy didn't WANT to fire Hue. I firmly believe when he hired an experienced FO guy like Dorsey it meant there is no more excusing or accepting losing. If Hue doesn't win - he's gone at the end of the year. Only THIS time, he'll have an experienced guy like Dorsey helping him with the hiring criteria and selection of HC candidates.
If Dorsey puts the personnel in place here that he put in place in KC with Hill, Hunt and Mahomes - the offense is going to be fun to watch. FWIW, here's where Cleveland currently ranks rushing the football out of 32 teams:
NFL Team Rushing Yards per Game
Date:Rank Team 2018 Last 3 Last 1 Home Away 2017 1 LA Rams 154.3 175.0 270.0 120.3 188.3 121.6 2 Dallas 147.5 162.3 206.0 175.7 119.3 135.6 3 San Francisco 142.5 132.3 174.0 168.5 129.5 103.9 4 Carolina 139.4 143.0 81.0 165.0 101.0 129.9 5 Cleveland 137.7 141.0 103.0 131.2 150.5 107.1 -
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I am fine with the move from the pov that it is a rebuilding team, get a pick for a guy who probably won't be here long term and get Chubb more carries.
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So why did Dorsey sign Hyde in the first place? Then pay Duke top ten RB money?
He signed him before drafting Chubb, right? (I honestly don't remember)
If he did, probably did it for insurance, nothing wrong with having three quality RBs.
Problem was, I'm guessing in Dorsey's mind, is that Hyde was getting almost 3/4 of the carries from the tailback position, and two talented RBs who are the future of the Browns backfield were collecting dust. Total speculation, but if the split would had been more 50/25/25 for Hyde/Chubb/Johnson, Hyde might be still here.
He signed him before drafting Chubb, right? (I honestly don't remember)
If he did, probably did it for insurance, nothing wrong with having three quality RBs.
Problem was, I'm guessing in Dorsey's mind, is that Hyde was getting almost 3/4 of the carries from the tailback position, and two talented RBs who are the future of the Browns backfield were collecting dust. Total speculation, but if the split would had been more 50/25/25 for Hyde/Chubb/Johnson, Hyde might be still here.
To get things right, I don't like Hue and I think Dorsey has nailed it so far.
I like your narrative, and being Dorsey's first year, it makes a lot of sense. Problem is, I don't like it if his modus operandi as GM that wants something done is to directly trade the 1st string RB 2 days before a game, no matter if the HC is Hue or Vincent Lombardi.
I hope there has been some communication between FO and coaching staff -as they have to work together- and that we are getting a player in exchange somewhere.
Because if it is about Chubb getting experience in a rebuilding+fire Hue year, I see two problems:
1. You're using his body in a meaningless year.
2. You probably don't protect as well as earlier your rookie quaterback, either because Chubb still needs to improve picking blocks or thanks to a worse running game (Not that Hyde was stellar, but I liked our trio).
I don't think Dorsey really needed to force Hue's hand, he knows his situation and is already giving him ball games...
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Perhaps the answer to the question about protecting the quarterback is to utilize a full back more often. In fact question: do we even have a full back on this team?
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He signed him before drafting Chubb, right? (I honestly don't remember)
If he did, probably did it for insurance, nothing wrong with having three quality RBs.
Problem was, I'm guessing in Dorsey's mind, is that Hyde was getting almost 3/4 of the carries from the tailback position, and two talented RBs who are the future of the Browns backfield were collecting dust. Total speculation, but if the split would had been more 50/25/25 for Hyde/Chubb/Johnson, Hyde might be still here.
Actually (true story) I called Dorsey and told him they were screwing up one of my FLs and Duke was not getting enough touches.
Problem solved and Hyde is now the JAX #1 guy......honest, he is.
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