how bout dat der carl nassib feller!
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First game he's done anything all year long.
Are you Taylor Swift? ?
Quiet!
You're spoiling there false narrative.
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Plus after the game, he came and gave them some sound financial advice.
Plus after the game, he came and gave them some sound financial advice.
Even more fitting, it was in a stadium named after a Financial Advice type of business - Raymond James Stadium.
Sports radio here has been hoping to see more of him than they had prior to this game on a defense that lacked an ability to pressure QBs before he faced our OTs.
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goes to tampa for a few months and all of a sudden has what looks like a competent edge rushing toolset. Ive been talking for years here about how we dont develop players skillsets we draft. What they come here with is almost always what they leave with.
Nassib beat both the RT and LT today. Not sure he was much in there on reg downs so didnt notice any run stops on his part.......but gj kid.
goes to tampa for a few months and all of a sudden has what looks like a competent edge rushing toolset. Ive been talking for years here about how we dont develop players skillsets we draft. What they come here with is almost always what they leave with.
Nassib beat both the RT and LT today. Not sure he was much in there on reg downs so didnt notice any run stops on his part.......but gj kid.
Who says Cleveland didn't develop the Nassib? Cleveland developed him. Tampa's DC got fired last week because they weren't putting a pass rush on QBs while their corners/fill-ins for injuries to both starters were also struggling in coverage. Now, in week 7, he finally got a decent amount of reps for a team that previously struggled to pressure opposing QBs.
From where I sat in the stadium, Ogbah made some BIG plays for our defense as did Myles Garrett. Would we have ranked #1 in getting turnovers this year if our defense couldn't put pressure on passers? If our offense would have capitalized on some of the turnovers the defense created yesterday - we might have won that game. When we can't score a TD from inside Tampa's 1 yard line on back to back plays - I'm not going to blame OUR edge rushers for it Clevsies. Instead of trying to hurry to snap the ball on 4th down there - (depending on how much time was left in the game) I was hoping Hue would challenge the spot since the Oakland showed us how important such a challenge is. When the home team didn't play the replay on the 2 big jumbo-trons - that's usually a really good sign it might be a great idea to challenge the play instead of hurrying to the next snap. I guess that's what I deserve for hoping we wait until after the season to fire Hue in lieu of expediting a situation of pitting Haley vrs Williams as soon as possible. Looking at what we did/didn't do with the turnovers our defense got us yesterday - there may already be a War of the Roses relationship between Haley and Williams getting worse since we first heard Williams' snap back at Haley in Hard Knocks about Nassib "THEN BLOCK HIM. YOU GOTTA BLOCK HIM!"
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
goes to tampa for a few months and all of a sudden has what looks like a competent edge rushing toolset. Ive been talking for years here about how we dont develop players skillsets we draft. What they come here with is almost always what they leave with.
Nassib beat both the RT and LT today. Not sure he was much in there on reg downs so didnt notice any run stops on his part.......but gj kid.
Who says Cleveland didn't develop the Nassib? Cleveland developed him. Tampa's DC got fired last week because they weren't putting a pass rush on QBs while their corners/fill-ins for injuries to both starters were also struggling in coverage. Now, in week 7, he finally got a decent amount of reps for a team that previously struggled to pressure opposing QBs.
From where I sat in the stadium, Ogbah made some BIG plays for our defense as did Myles Garrett. Would we have ranked #1 in getting turnovers this year if our defense couldn't put pressure on passers? If our offense would have capitalized on some of the turnovers the defense created yesterday - we might have won that game. When we can't score a TD from inside Tampa's 1 yard line on back to back plays - I'm not going to blame OUR edge rushers for it Clevsies. Instead of trying to hurry to snap the ball on 4th down there - (depending on how much time was left in the game) I was hoping Hue would challenge the spot since the Oakland showed us how important such a challenge is. When the home team didn't play the replay on the 2 big jumbo-trons - that's usually a really good sign it might be a great idea to challenge the play instead of hurrying to the next snap. I guess that's what I deserve for hoping we wait until after the season to fire Hue in lieu of expediting a situation of pitting Haley vrs Williams as soon as possible. Looking at what we did/didn't do with the turnovers our defense got us yesterday - there may already be a War of the Roses relationship between Haley and Williams getting worse since we first heard Williams' snap back at Haley in Hard Knocks about Nassib "THEN BLOCK HIM. YOU GOTTA BLOCK HIM!"
I guess that's what I deserve for hoping we wait until after the season to fire Hue in lieu of expediting a situation of pitting Haley vrs Williams as soon as possible. Looking at what we did/didn't do with the turnovers our defense got us yesterday -
From where I was sitting, I sure hoped he had scored there, but it looked a lot like he was stopped, there was a lot of bodies around there, AND if we lost another challenge, we would’ve had 1 timeout left, with about 5 minutes in the 4th quarter.
I do think the decision to challenge the catch/incomplete pass wasn’t the best one, (receiver took 2 steps and ball was jarred loose), he didn’t make the 3rd step or a “football” move.
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goes to tampa for a few months and all of a sudden has what looks like a competent edge rushing toolset. Ive been talking for years here about how we dont develop players skillsets we draft. What they come here with is almost always what they leave with.
Nassib beat both the RT and LT today. Not sure he was much in there on reg downs so didnt notice any run stops on his part.......but gj kid.
Who says Cleveland didn't develop the Nassib? Cleveland developed him. Tampa's DC got fired last week because they weren't putting a pass rush on QBs while their corners/fill-ins for injuries to both starters were also struggling in coverage. Now, in week 7, he finally got a decent amount of reps for a team that previously struggled to pressure opposing QBs.
From where I sat in the stadium, Ogbah made some BIG plays for our defense as did Myles Garrett. Would we have ranked #1 in getting turnovers this year if our defense couldn't put pressure on passers? If our offense would have capitalized on some of the turnovers the defense created yesterday - we might have won that game. When we can't score a TD from inside Tampa's 1 yard line on back to back plays - I'm not going to blame OUR edge rushers for it Clevsies. Instead of trying to hurry to snap the ball on 4th down there - (depending on how much time was left in the game) I was hoping Hue would challenge the spot since the Oakland showed us how important such a challenge is. When the home team didn't play the replay on the 2 big jumbo-trons - that's usually a really good sign it might be a great idea to challenge the play instead of hurrying to the next snap. I guess that's what I deserve for hoping we wait until after the season to fire Hue in lieu of expediting a situation of pitting Haley vrs Williams as soon as possible. Looking at what we did/didn't do with the turnovers our defense got us yesterday - there may already be a War of the Roses relationship between Haley and Williams getting worse since we first heard Williams' snap back at Haley in Hard Knocks about Nassib "THEN BLOCK HIM. YOU GOTTA BLOCK HIM!"
Who says Cleveland didn't develop the Nassib? Cleveland developed him. Tampa's DC got fired last week because they weren't putting a pass rush on QBs while their corners/fill-ins for injuries to both starters were also struggling in coverage. Now, in week 7, he finally got a decent amount of reps for a team that previously struggled to pressure opposing QBs.
From where I sat in the stadium, Ogbah made some BIG plays for our defense as did Myles Garrett. Would we have ranked #1 in getting turnovers this year if our defense couldn't put pressure on passers? If our offense would have capitalized on some of the turnovers the defense created yesterday - we might have won that game. When we can't score a TD from inside Tampa's 1 yard line on back to back plays - I'm not going to blame OUR edge rushers for it Clevsies. Instead of trying to hurry to snap the ball on 4th down there - (depending on how much time was left in the game) I was hoping Hue would challenge the spot since the Oakland showed us how important such a challenge is. When the home team didn't play the replay on the 2 big jumbo-trons - that's usually a really good sign it might be a great idea to challenge the play instead of hurrying to the next snap. I guess that's what I deserve for hoping we wait until after the season to fire Hue in lieu of expediting a situation of pitting Haley vrs Williams as soon as possible. Looking at what we did/didn't do with the turnovers our defense got us yesterday - there may already be a War of the Roses relationship between Haley and Williams getting worse since we first heard Williams' snap back at Haley in Hard Knocks about Nassib "THEN BLOCK HIM. YOU GOTTA BLOCK HIM!"
I wasn't dissing our edges...and yeah, Ogbah showed up sunday. That was prob his best game as a brown overall. As for Nassib, he displayed pass rushing tech i'd "never" seen him once exhibit here. He had a very good preseason game against Philly, but he didn't show those edge moves in that game.
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Who says Cleveland didn't develop the Nassib? Cleveland developed him. Tampa's DC got fired last week because they weren't putting a pass rush on QBs while their corners/fill-ins for injuries to both starters were also struggling in coverage. Now, in week 7, he finally got a decent amount of reps for a team that previously struggled to pressure opposing QBs.
From where I sat in the stadium, Ogbah made some BIG plays for our defense as did Myles Garrett. Would we have ranked #1 in getting turnovers this year if our defense couldn't put pressure on passers? If our offense would have capitalized on some of the turnovers the defense created yesterday - we might have won that game. When we can't score a TD from inside Tampa's 1 yard line on back to back plays - I'm not going to blame OUR edge rushers for it Clevsies. Instead of trying to hurry to snap the ball on 4th down there - (depending on how much time was left in the game) I was hoping Hue would challenge the spot since the Oakland showed us how important such a challenge is. When the home team didn't play the replay on the 2 big jumbo-trons - that's usually a really good sign it might be a great idea to challenge the play instead of hurrying to the next snap. I guess that's what I deserve for hoping we wait until after the season to fire Hue in lieu of expediting a situation of pitting Haley vrs Williams as soon as possible. Looking at what we did/didn't do with the turnovers our defense got us yesterday - there may already be a War of the Roses relationship between Haley and Williams getting worse since we first heard Williams' snap back at Haley in Hard Knocks about Nassib "THEN BLOCK HIM. YOU GOTTA BLOCK HIM!"
I wasn't dissing our edges...and yeah, Ogbah showed up sunday. That was prob his best game as a brown overall. As for Nassib, he displayed pass rushing tech i'd "never" seen him once exhibit here. He had a very good preseason game against Philly, but he didn't show those edge moves in that game.
I wasn't dissing our edges...and yeah, Ogbah showed up sunday. That was prob his best game as a brown overall. As for Nassib, he displayed pass rushing tech i'd "never" seen him once exhibit here. He had a very good preseason game against Philly, but he didn't show those edge moves in that game.
That is a sign we’re headed in the right direction, when we have to let go of GOOD players to make room for other GOOD players, I’m sure it wasn’t an easy decision.
With that being said,where the heck is Chad Thomas? We spent a 3rd on the guy.
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I wasn't dissing our edges...and yeah, Ogbah showed up sunday. That was prob his best game as a brown overall. As for Nassib, he displayed pass rushing tech i'd "never" seen him once exhibit here. He had a very good preseason game against Philly, but he didn't show those edge moves in that game.
That is a sign we’re headed in the right direction, when we have to let go of GOOD players to make room for other GOOD players, I’m sure it wasn’t an easy decision.
With that being said,where the heck is Chad Thomas? We spent a 3rd on the guy.
That is a sign we’re headed in the right direction, when we have to let go of GOOD players to make room for other GOOD players, I’m sure it wasn’t an easy decision.
With that being said,where the heck is Chad Thomas? We spent a 3rd on the guy.
well we didnt have to cut nassib to make room fir ogbah, nassib was already going to be depth. The issue i have is the guys we brought in over nassib...barely see the field. The only semi competent depth we have at edge is chris smith. The other guys like zettel, odenigno....theres zero reason they're sitting on the sideline.
I wouldnt be raging if myles and igbah bith got hurt abd bassib and smith had to.be our starters. But those waiver wire guys we snatched up are just mon priductive. And thats why u see myles in there most of the game. Myles would be even more productive if he was able to come out more
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I wasn't dissing our edges...and yeah, Ogbah showed up sunday. That was prob his best game as a brown overall. As for Nassib, he displayed pass rushing tech i'd "never" seen him once exhibit here. He had a very good preseason game against Philly, but he didn't show those edge moves in that game.
That is a sign we’re headed in the right direction, when we have to let go of GOOD players to make room for other GOOD players, I’m sure it wasn’t an easy decision.
With that being said,where the heck is Chad Thomas? We spent a 3rd on the guy.
That is a sign we’re headed in the right direction, when we have to let go of GOOD players to make room for other GOOD players, I’m sure it wasn’t an easy decision.
With that being said,where the heck is Chad Thomas? We spent a 3rd on the guy.
True about the reach on Chad Thomas; but here's something Pluto points out that WSS shared in another thread. Sorry to borrow this but it seems pertinent enough to point out here as well in the sense this 5th round pick is a steal to make up for Chad Thomas at this time.
11. According to PFF, Ogunjobi and linebacker Genard Avery led the Browns defense with five "quarterback hits." Another meaningful category is "quarterback hurries," meaning putting pressure on the passer as he throws. Ogunjobi leads the Browns with 14. Avery and Myles Garrett have eight each.
12. Yes, you keep seeing Avery's name when it comes to the Browns defense. The rookie from Memphis has a chance to be a terrific pass rusher. He could be a steal in the fifth round.
Avery is listed as a LBer and played LBer in college much like another LBer Gregg Williams once converted to a DE at the TN Titans named Jevon Kearse (which ended with Kearse being named Defensive ROTY). Williams prefers to use Avery on the edge in a 3 point unless injury volumes dictate standing him up (and blitzing him instead). The irony is both guys played a lot of their college football in a 2 point stance as a LBers that spent way more time dropping into coverage than rushing passers.
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You’re my O line guy, what do you think of Hubbard so far?
To my untrained eye he has been terrible
Not doing the OL grading so I don't have the insight I once did...
... but my impression is that he's a good run blocker, but struggles with speed rushes in PassPro which in turn makes him susceptible to bull rushes.
I wasn't dissing our edges...and yeah, Ogbah showed up sunday. That was prob his best game as a brown overall. s for Nassib, he displayed pass rushing tech i'd "never" seen him once exhibit here. He had a very good preseason game against Philly, but he didn't show those edge moves in that game.
Hard to know whether he was told to sell out in favor of his pass rush by TB. We know as a starter/rotational DE with us he was expected to play in balance.
Plus there's the revenge factor of playing his old team. Safe bet that his adrenal gland was on empty after yesterday's game.
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You’re my O line guy, what do you think of Hubbard so far?
To my untrained eye he has been terrible
Not doing the OL grading so I don't have the insight I once did...
... but my impression is that he's a good run blocker, but struggles with speed rushes in PassPro which in turn makes him susceptible to bull rushes.
I wasn't dissing our edges...and yeah, Ogbah showed up sunday. That was prob his best game as a brown overall. s for Nassib, he displayed pass rushing tech i'd "never" seen him once exhibit here. He had a very good preseason game against Philly, but he didn't show those edge moves in that game.
Hard to know whether he was told to sell out in favor of his pass rush by TB. We know as a starter/rotational DE with us he was expected to play in balance.
Plus there's the revenge factor of playing his old team. Safe bet that his adrenal gland was on empty after yesterday's game.
Not doing the OL grading so I don't have the insight I once did...
... but my impression is that he's a good run blocker, but struggles with speed rushes in PassPro which in turn makes him susceptible to bull rushes.
Hard to know whether he was told to sell out in favor of his pass rush by TB. We know as a starter/rotational DE with us he was expected to play in balance.
Plus there's the revenge factor of playing his old team. Safe bet that his adrenal gland was on empty after yesterday's game.
i dont buy that at all. When i saw the replays im seeing stiff the RT with one arm allowing that spin/shed to the inside...thats elite level stuff and if he can do that now against some of the better tackles in the NFL...kid will have a career before he retires to wall street. He never once showed that or the joey B stack and shed to the side that he pulled on his first sack, in 3 years that he was here.
ive been begging our position coaches to teach some of these advanced moves to our guys. I mean didnt u see Carl leaning and digging into his edge rush? I was screaming here since krugers tenure that our edges dont know how to scrape the pegs going around the edge. Last guy here not named myles that did that was sheard.
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Not gonna lie, Nassib looked a LOT bigger/stronger than he did when he was here....?
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Not gonna lie, Nassib looked a LOT bigger/stronger than he did when he was here....?
Not gonna lie, Nassib looked a LOT bigger/stronger than he did when he was here....?
Drugs?
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I guess that's what I deserve for hoping we wait until after the season to fire Hue in lieu of expediting a situation of pitting Haley vrs Williams as soon as possible. Looking at what we did/didn't do with the turnovers our defense got us yesterday -
From where I was sitting, I sure hoped he had scored there, but it looked a lot like he was stopped, there was a lot of bodies around there, AND if we lost another challenge, we would’ve had 1 timeout left, with about 5 minutes in the 4th quarter.
I do think the decision to challenge the catch/incomplete pass wasn’t the best one, (receiver took 2 steps and ball was jarred loose), he didn’t make the 3rd step or a “football” move.
From where I was sitting, I sure hoped he had scored there, but it looked a lot like he was stopped, there was a lot of bodies around there, AND if we lost another challenge, we would’ve had 1 timeout left, with about 5 minutes in the 4th quarter.
I do think the decision to challenge the catch/incomplete pass wasn’t the best one, (receiver took 2 steps and ball was jarred loose), he didn’t make the 3rd step or a “football” move.
In my mind his second foot hit the ground simultaneously as him tucking the ball and turning up field. Both "football acts/moves" and was a good review.
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I guess that's what I deserve for hoping we wait until after the season to fire Hue in lieu of expediting a situation of pitting Haley vrs Williams as soon as possible. Looking at what we did/didn't do with the turnovers our defense got us yesterday -
From where I was sitting, I sure hoped he had scored there, but it looked a lot like he was stopped, there was a lot of bodies around there, AND if we lost another challenge, we would’ve had 1 timeout left, with about 5 minutes in the 4th quarter.
I do think the decision to challenge the catch/incomplete pass wasn’t the best one, (receiver took 2 steps and ball was jarred loose), he didn’t make the 3rd step or a “football” move.
From where I was sitting, I sure hoped he had scored there, but it looked a lot like he was stopped, there was a lot of bodies around there, AND if we lost another challenge, we would’ve had 1 timeout left, with about 5 minutes in the 4th quarter.
I do think the decision to challenge the catch/incomplete pass wasn’t the best one, (receiver took 2 steps and ball was jarred loose), he didn’t make the 3rd step or a “football” move.
In my mind his second foot hit the ground simultaneously as him tucking the ball and turning up field. Both "football acts/moves" and was a good review.
And the exact same thing just happened in the Monday night game and it was ruled a fumble.
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Not gonna lie, Nassib looked a LOT bigger/stronger than he did when he was here....?
Drugs?
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Drugs?
or more likely proper training
or more likely proper training
No
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From where I was sitting, I sure hoped he had scored there, but it looked a lot like he was stopped, there was a lot of bodies around there, AND if we lost another challenge, we would’ve had 1 timeout left, with about 5 minutes in the 4th quarter.
I do think the decision to challenge the catch/incomplete pass wasn’t the best one, (receiver took 2 steps and ball was jarred loose), he didn’t make the 3rd step or a “football” move.
In my mind his second foot hit the ground simultaneously as him tucking the ball and turning up field. Both "football acts/moves" and was a good review.
And the exact same thing just happened in the Monday night game and it was ruled a fumble.
Both "football acts/moves" and was a good review.
And the exact same thing just happened in the Monday night game and it was ruled a fumble.
Seeing it live, and being aware of many terrible calls against this team, I felt the incomplete was the right call. The ball came out so fast. He was trying to turn upfield but hadn’t even brought the ball in yet..
I didn’t see the Monday night game, but sounds like a bad call then lol
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Both "football acts/moves" and was a good review.
And the exact same thing just happened in the Monday night game and it was ruled a fumble.
Seeing it live, and being aware of many terrible calls against this team, I felt the incomplete was the right call. The ball came out so fast. He was trying to turn upfield but hadn’t even brought the ball in yet..
I didn’t see the Monday night game, but sounds like a bad call then lol
Seeing it live, and being aware of many terrible calls against this team, I felt the incomplete was the right call. The ball came out so fast. He was trying to turn upfield but hadn’t even brought the ball in yet..
I didn’t see the Monday night game, but sounds like a bad call then lol
Catching the ball away from your body and beginning the process of tucking it as you are taking your steps is a football move and no the call tonight was not a poor call. Everyone talked about it being a good call.
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Not doing the OL grading so I don't have the insight I once did...
... but my impression is that he's a good run blocker, but struggles with speed rushes in PassPro which in turn makes him susceptible to bull rushes.
Hard to know whether he was told to sell out in favor of his pass rush by TB. We know as a starter/rotational DE with us he was expected to play in balance.
Plus there's the revenge factor of playing his old team. Safe bet that his adrenal gland was on empty after yesterday's game.
i dont buy that at all. When i saw the replays im seeing stiff the RT with one arm allowing that spin/shed to the inside...thats elite level stuff and if he can do that now against some of the better tackles in the NFL...kid will have a career before he retires to wall street. He never once showed that or the joey B stack and shed to the side that he pulled on his first sack, in 3 years that he was here.
ive been begging our position coaches to teach some of these advanced moves to our guys. I mean didnt u see Carl leaning and digging into his edge rush? I was screaming here since krugers tenure that our edges dont know how to scrape the pegs going around the edge. Last guy here not named myles that did that was sheard.
i dont buy that at all. When i saw the replays im seeing stiff the RT with one arm allowing that spin/shed to the inside...thats elite level stuff and if he can do that now against some of the better tackles in the NFL...kid will have a career before he retires to wall street. He never once showed that or the joey B stack and shed to the side that he pulled on his first sack, in 3 years that he was here.
ive been begging our position coaches to teach some of these advanced moves to our guys. I mean didnt u see Carl leaning and digging into his edge rush? I was screaming here since krugers tenure that our edges dont know how to scrape the pegs going around the edge. Last guy here not named myles that did that was sheard.
Just watched both his sacks again... one against Harrison in Q2 and the one you speak of against Hubbard in OT. Neither was "elite".
Against Harrison he got the edge on a crow-hopping OT who was beaten outside even tho he had inside help (Bito).
Against Hubbard... if an OT can be "stiffed" by one arm that is outside his frame, then yes, Nassib stiffed him. As for the spin, yes, it was quicker than Hubbard could handle, but as I more or less said in my first post in this thread, without the flush from Nassib's opposite DE (Golstein?) making Baker step up, Nassib spins into air.
Both plays our OT was reach-blocking with waist bent.
Both were good plays to be sure, but Carl's has not improved as dramatically as you are making him out to be. He averaged 2.75 sacks per year with us. He now has 2 with TB.
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i dont buy that at all. When i saw the replays im seeing stiff the RT with one arm allowing that spin/shed to the inside...thats elite level stuff and if he can do that now against some of the better tackles in the NFL...kid will have a career before he retires to wall street. He never once showed that or the joey B stack and shed to the side that he pulled on his first sack, in 3 years that he was here.
ive been begging our position coaches to teach some of these advanced moves to our guys. I mean didnt u see Carl leaning and digging into his edge rush? I was screaming here since krugers tenure that our edges dont know how to scrape the pegs going around the edge. Last guy here not named myles that did that was sheard.
Just watched both his sacks again... one against Harrison in Q2 and the one you speak of against Hubbard in OT. Neither was "elite".
Against Harrison he got the edge on a crow-hopping OT who was beaten outside even tho he had inside help (Bito).
Against Hubbard... if an OT can be "stiffed" by one arm that is outside his frame, then yes, Nassib stiffed him. As for the spin, yes, it was quicker than Hubbard could handle, but as I more or less said in my first post in this thread, without the flush from Nassib's opposite DE (Golstein?) making Baker step up, Nassib spins into air.
Both plays our OT was reach-blocking with waist bent.
Both were good plays to be sure, but Carl's has not improved as dramatically as you are making him out to be. He averaged 2.75 sacks per year with us. He now has 2 with TB.
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