Josh Gordon Traded to Pats
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Ironic isn't it that Huey would not give JFF the time of day, but he tried to ignore the ticking clock on JG.
I enjoy most of your posts Aggies; but don't blame anyone but JFF for not giving the NFL the time of day he prioritized to partying. Like Canton Dawgs is saying, there's 31 other NFL teams that gave him the exact same "no thanks" that has him playing in Canada. Is he even tearing that level of competition up?
I enjoy most of your posts Aggies; but don't blame anyone but JFF for not giving the NFL the time of day he prioritized to partying. Like Canton Dawgs is saying, there's 31 other NFL teams that gave him the exact same "no thanks" that has him playing in Canada. Is he even tearing that level of competition up?
I grew up (that's debatable) watching so many QBs that loved to party in college like Bernie Kosar, Jim Kelly, Brett Favre, Tommy Kramer, Wade Wilson, and others. Some of them still became good-great pro QBs anyhow. So, I thought Manziel would also be able to do that so this knucklehead was all excited we drafted him. If my career depended on pegging NFL QBs right, I'd be sleeping under bridges...
Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. i am not defending JFF in any way. What I am saying is that given his history all the way back to HS, Baylor, etc. JG should not have been given any more consideration that JFF. Neither should have been given the time of day. Nothing about him said. "Keep him". It's the old saying of first time shame on you, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th shame on me.
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I enjoy most of your posts Aggies; but don't blame anyone but JFF for not giving the NFL the time of day he prioritized to partying. Like Canton Dawgs is saying, there's 31 other NFL teams that gave him the exact same "no thanks" that has him playing in Canada. Is he even tearing that level of competition up?
I grew up (that's debatable) watching so many QBs that loved to party in college like Bernie Kosar, Jim Kelly, Brett Favre, Tommy Kramer, Wade Wilson, and others. Some of them still became good-great pro QBs anyhow. So, I thought Manziel would also be able to do that so this knucklehead was all excited we drafted him. If my career depended on pegging NFL QBs right, I'd be sleeping under bridges...
Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. i am not defending JFF in any way. What I am saying is that given his history all the way back to HS, Baylor, etc. JG should not have been given any more consideration that JFF. Neither should have been given the time of day. Nothing about him said. "Keep him". It's the old saying of first time shame on you, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th shame on me.
Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. i am not defending JFF in any way. What I am saying is that given his history all the way back to HS, Baylor, etc. JG should not have been given any more consideration that JFF. Neither should have been given the time of day. Nothing about him said. "Keep him". It's the old saying of first time shame on you, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th shame on me.
I remember the announcement on the radio when Gordon was selected and the annoucers saying, WHAT THE FU-CK?
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I enjoy most of your posts Aggies; but don't blame anyone but JFF for not giving the NFL the time of day he prioritized to partying. Like Canton Dawgs is saying, there's 31 other NFL teams that gave him the exact same "no thanks" that has him playing in Canada. Is he even tearing that level of competition up?
I grew up (that's debatable) watching so many QBs that loved to party in college like Bernie Kosar, Jim Kelly, Brett Favre, Tommy Kramer, Wade Wilson, and others. Some of them still became good-great pro QBs anyhow. So, I thought Manziel would also be able to do that so this knucklehead was all excited we drafted him. If my career depended on pegging NFL QBs right, I'd be sleeping under bridges...
Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. i am not defending JFF in any way. What I am saying is that given his history all the way back to HS, Baylor, etc. JG should not have been given any more consideration that JFF. Neither should have been given the time of day. Nothing about him said. "Keep him". It's the old saying of first time shame on you, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th shame on me.
Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. i am not defending JFF in any way. What I am saying is that given his history all the way back to HS, Baylor, etc. JG should not have been given any more consideration that JFF. Neither should have been given the time of day. Nothing about him said. "Keep him". It's the old saying of first time shame on you, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th shame on me.
They were both given consideration based on their talent in College. One was selected in the supplemental draft and one was taken in the first round of the NFL draft. One was given a longer leash because when he did play he played at an All-Pro level the other one sucked to put it nicely when he played. Talent rules all in the NFL and of course a troubled talented guy is going to get more chances then a troubled guy who struggles to pick up the game.
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Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. i am not defending JFF in any way. What I am saying is that given his history all the way back to HS, Baylor, etc. JG should not have been given any more consideration that JFF. Neither should have been given the time of day. Nothing about him said. "Keep him". It's the old saying of first time shame on you, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th shame on me.
They were both given consideration based on their talent in College. One was selected in the supplemental draft and one was taken in the first round of the NFL draft. One was given a longer leash because when he did play he played at an All-Pro level the other one sucked to put it nicely when he played. Talent rules all in the NFL and of course a troubled talented guy is going to get more chances then a troubled guy who struggles to pick up the game.
They were both given consideration based on their talent in College. One was selected in the supplemental draft and one was taken in the first round of the NFL draft. One was given a longer leash because when he did play he played at an All-Pro level the other one sucked to put it nicely when he played. Talent rules all in the NFL and of course a troubled talented guy is going to get more chances then a troubled guy who struggles to pick up the game.
The thing that pissed me off the most about JM was his lackadaisical attitude towards his job as an NFL QB.
He could’ve given more effort, which may or may not have been reflected in his on the field play.
Judging from his letter to Baker Mayfield, it sounds like JM has a few regrets...not as many as Browns fans though.
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I enjoy most of your posts Aggies; but don't blame anyone but JFF for not giving the NFL the time of day he prioritized to partying. Like Canton Dawgs is saying, there's 31 other NFL teams that gave him the exact same "no thanks" that has him playing in Canada. Is he even tearing that level of competition up?
I grew up (that's debatable) watching so many QBs that loved to party in college like Bernie Kosar, Jim Kelly, Brett Favre, Tommy Kramer, Wade Wilson, and others. Some of them still became good-great pro QBs anyhow. So, I thought Manziel would also be able to do that so this knucklehead was all excited we drafted him. If my career depended on pegging NFL QBs right, I'd be sleeping under bridges...
Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. i am not defending JFF in any way. What I am saying is that given his history all the way back to HS, Baylor, etc. JG should not have been given any more consideration that JFF. Neither should have been given the time of day. Nothing about him said. "Keep him". It's the old saying of first time shame on you, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th shame on me.
Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. i am not defending JFF in any way. What I am saying is that given his history all the way back to HS, Baylor, etc. JG should not have been given any more consideration that JFF. Neither should have been given the time of day. Nothing about him said. "Keep him". It's the old saying of first time shame on you, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th shame on me.
Talent rules
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The next football team that does NOT dump Gordon will be the first football team to NOT dump Gordon.
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The next football team that does NOT dump Gordon will be the first football team to NOT dump Gordon.
The next football team that does NOT dump Gordon will be the first football team to NOT dump Gordon.
Well I am playing him this coming week in FF. I think he's had enough time to adjust to Brady and vice versa. Had 100 yds this week with no TDs.
Plus I have 4 WR/RB types out with injuries so not a lot choice coming up.
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Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. i am not defending JFF in any way. What I am saying is that given his history all the way back to HS, Baylor, etc. JG should not have been given any more consideration that JFF. Neither should have been given the time of day. Nothing about him said. "Keep him". It's the old saying of first time shame on you, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th shame on me.
They were both given consideration based on their talent in College. One was selected in the supplemental draft and one was taken in the first round of the NFL draft. One was given a longer leash because when he did play he played at an All-Pro level the other one sucked to put it nicely when he played. Talent rules all in the NFL and of course a troubled talented guy is going to get more chances then a troubled guy who struggles to pick up the game.
They were both given consideration based on their talent in College. One was selected in the supplemental draft and one was taken in the first round of the NFL draft. One was given a longer leash because when he did play he played at an All-Pro level the other one sucked to put it nicely when he played. Talent rules all in the NFL and of course a troubled talented guy is going to get more chances then a troubled guy who struggles to pick up the game.
Saved me typing time...
I'll only add that once upon a time JG showed a work ethic (which by all accounts has been revived in NE).
JFF? Never did... all the "1st guy in... last guy out" we were spoon fed by a fan onslaught was pure BS... a College Station myth. And he was drag on Gordon's potential.
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So you got to wonder what exactly it was about Cleveland that Josh Gordon was so desperate to get away from? Seems like everybody that over backwards to give him the benefit of the doubt.
WSS
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So you got to wonder what exactly it was about Cleveland that Josh Gordon was so desperate to get away from? Seems like everybody that over backwards to give him the benefit of the doubt.
WSS
So you got to wonder what exactly it was about Cleveland that Josh Gordon was so desperate to get away from?
Imma go with losing.
Not the first...
Hopefully is the last.
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So you got to wonder what exactly it was about Cleveland that Josh Gordon was so desperate to get away from?
Imma go with losing.
Not the first...
Hopefully is the last.
Imma go with losing.
Not the first...
Hopefully is the last.
Considering the narrowness of some of these losses...in theory, if he had been in there helping according to his talent, those losses could have turned into wins. (and considering how much dropped passes have contributed to the losses). So, Fuyck him if he is thinking that way.
Besides, I don't think it is any of that. I don't even think he even wanted out of here. I don't think he put any thought into that. I just think he was doing his somewhat normal Josh Gordon irresponsible behavior thing....and Dorsey for one wasn't going to put up with it and got rid of him.
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Imma go with losing.
Not the first...
Hopefully is the last.
Considering the narrowness of some of these losses...in theory, if he had been in there helping according to his talent, those losses could have turned into wins. (and considering how much dropped passes have contributed to the losses). So, Fuyck him if he is thinking that way.
Besides, I don't think it is any of that. I don't even think he even wanted out of here. I don't think he put any thought into that. I just think he was doing his somewhat normal Josh Gordon irresponsible behavior thing....and Dorsey for one wasn't going to put up with it and got rid of him.
Considering the narrowness of some of these losses...in theory, if he had been in there helping according to his talent, those losses could have turned into wins. (and considering how much dropped passes have contributed to the losses). So, Fuyck him if he is thinking that way.
Besides, I don't think it is any of that. I don't even think he even wanted out of here. I don't think he put any thought into that. I just think he was doing his somewhat normal Josh Gordon irresponsible behavior thing....and Dorsey for one wasn't going to put up with it and got rid of him.
That's exactly how I feel. I never got the impression he didn't want to be here. The guy did a photoshoot WITH the team's permission, and then did something stupid by running 40 yard dashes and working out too hard resulting in injury. He made yet another mistake, and it hurt his team (again). Then he was 10 minutes late to a meeting or something, and somebody reported that he "didn't look right" or whatever. Josh Gordon needed money and needed it immediately. He made a poor choice to do physical workouts in the photoshoot because he needed money to pay a greedy woman who did nothing more than have sex and have a baby. Congratulations, you had a baby. People do it everyday. It's a beautiful thing, and no easy task. But it's not worth taking thousands of dollars from someone, and then trying to blackmail them if they don't pay up. Should he pay child support? Of course. But there's no reason to pay her what the court ordered.
I think it was a hasty decision to cut him. At this particular moment, it's really costing us, and there's no denying it. But while we're definitely losing out on this trade now, the Patriots could lose Josh Gordon forever at any second, and we'll still have the 5th round pick. If Josh makes it through the entire year, well, we'll look like idiots. We traded an elite WR for pennies on the dollar, and it'll be just another sad trade in a long line of them.
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Considering the narrowness of some of these losses...in theory, if he had been in there helping according to his talent, those losses could have turned into wins. (and considering how much dropped passes have contributed to the losses). So, Fuyck him if he is thinking that way.
Besides, I don't think it is any of that. I don't even think he even wanted out of here. I don't think he put any thought into that. I just think he was doing his somewhat normal Josh Gordon irresponsible behavior thing....and Dorsey for one wasn't going to put up with it and got rid of him.
That's exactly how I feel. I never got the impression he didn't want to be here. The guy did a photoshoot WITH the team's permission, and then did something stupid by running 40 yard dashes and working out too hard resulting in injury. He made yet another mistake, and it hurt his team (again). Then he was 10 minutes late to a meeting or something, and somebody reported that he "didn't look right" or whatever. Josh Gordon needed money and needed it immediately. He made a poor choice to do physical workouts in the photoshoot because he needed money to pay a greedy woman who did nothing more than have sex and have a baby. Congratulations, you had a baby. People do it everyday. It's a beautiful thing, and no easy task. But it's not worth taking thousands of dollars from someone, and then trying to blackmail them if they don't pay up. Should he pay child support? Of course. But there's no reason to pay her what the court ordered.
I think it was a hasty decision to cut him. At this particular moment, it's really costing us, and there's no denying it. But while we're definitely losing out on this trade now, the Patriots could lose Josh Gordon forever at any second, and we'll still have the 5th round pick. If Josh makes it through the entire year, well, we'll look like idiots. We traded an elite WR for pennies on the dollar, and it'll be just another sad trade in a long line of them.
That's exactly how I feel. I never got the impression he didn't want to be here. The guy did a photoshoot WITH the team's permission, and then did something stupid by running 40 yard dashes and working out too hard resulting in injury.
What about the fact that the hamstring was miraculously healed by the time he got to New England? The MRI he did when he got to New England showed no hamstring injury? How is that someone who wants to play for the Browns.
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Considering the narrowness of some of these losses...in theory, if he had been in there helping according to his talent, those losses could have turned into wins. (and considering how much dropped passes have contributed to the losses). So, Fuyck him if he is thinking that way.
Besides, I don't think it is any of that. I don't even think he even wanted out of here. I don't think he put any thought into that. I just think he was doing his somewhat normal Josh Gordon irresponsible behavior thing....and Dorsey for one wasn't going to put up with it and got rid of him.
That's exactly how I feel. I never got the impression he didn't want to be here. The guy did a photoshoot WITH the team's permission, and then did something stupid by running 40 yard dashes and working out too hard resulting in injury. He made yet another mistake, and it hurt his team (again). Then he was 10 minutes late to a meeting or something, and somebody reported that he "didn't look right" or whatever. Josh Gordon needed money and needed it immediately. He made a poor choice to do physical workouts in the photoshoot because he needed money to pay a greedy woman who did nothing more than have sex and have a baby. Congratulations, you had a baby. People do it everyday. It's a beautiful thing, and no easy task. But it's not worth taking thousands of dollars from someone, and then trying to blackmail them if they don't pay up. Should he pay child support? Of course. But there's no reason to pay her what the court ordered.
I think it was a hasty decision to cut him. At this particular moment, it's really costing us, and there's no denying it. But while we're definitely losing out on this trade now, the Patriots could lose Josh Gordon forever at any second, and we'll still have the 5th round pick. If Josh makes it through the entire year, well, we'll look like idiots. We traded an elite WR for pennies on the dollar, and it'll be just another sad trade in a long line of them.
That's exactly how I feel. I never got the impression he didn't want to be here. The guy did a photoshoot WITH the team's permission, and then did something stupid by running 40 yard dashes and working out too hard resulting in injury. He made yet another mistake, and it hurt his team (again). Then he was 10 minutes late to a meeting or something, and somebody reported that he "didn't look right" or whatever. Josh Gordon needed money and needed it immediately. He made a poor choice to do physical workouts in the photoshoot because he needed money to pay a greedy woman who did nothing more than have sex and have a baby. Congratulations, you had a baby. People do it everyday. It's a beautiful thing, and no easy task. But it's not worth taking thousands of dollars from someone, and then trying to blackmail them if they don't pay up. Should he pay child support? Of course. But there's no reason to pay her what the court ordered.
That is stupid. Of course he must pay what the court ordered. He may have been his own worst enemy in that situation. I have seen it many times. Child support is based on parties incomes.....and can be adjusted when that income adjusts.....BUT...the party, in this case the Dad, HAS to take affirmative steps to get the CS reduced. He can't just sit on his arse and expect to not have to pay. Get the lawyer and file the motion to reduce. Do not sit there and do nothing. This may be what happened here. He was making yay many thousand/millions of dollars a year.......but if his income is reduced, then he has to go to court quickly to reduce it, not just sit there like a lump on a log. This happens so often...and may have happened here because of his lackadaisical approach to life.
I think it was a hasty decision to cut him. At this particular moment, it's really costing us, and there's no denying it. But while we're definitely losing out on this trade now, the Patriots could lose Josh Gordon forever at any second, and we'll still have the 5th round pick. If Josh makes it through the entire year, well, we'll look like idiots. We traded an elite WR for pennies on the dollar, and it'll be just another sad trade in a long line of them.
Hasty? It was really 5 years in the coming. Nothing hasty about it.
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You guys are still talking about Gordon? Man I stopped following him and I’m trying to forget about that guy, like an ex. I wish him the best and all but....
That guy let down Cleveland about as much as LeBron did when he “took he talents to South Beach”
Go figure him and Kyrie end up in the same town. F$&% Boston.. lol
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That's exactly how I feel. I never got the impression he didn't want to be here. The guy did a photoshoot WITH the team's permission, and then did something stupid by running 40 yard dashes and working out too hard resulting in injury.
What about the fact that the hamstring was miraculously healed by the time he got to New England? The MRI he did when he got to New England showed no hamstring injury? How is that someone who wants to play for the Browns.
What about the fact that the hamstring was miraculously healed by the time he got to New England? The MRI he did when he got to New England showed no hamstring injury? How is that someone who wants to play for the Browns.
How severe does a hammie have to be to show up in a MRI? Seriously... I don't know the answer.... for once...
As for the other evidence... Josh was inactive his first two weeks with the Pats. Granted his first week was likely as playbook related as injury, but the staff was surprised at how quickly he learned their offense and even Tom Terrific praised him for being a quick study.
Then in his first couple games he was lightly used... as happens with players coming back from pulls.
All adds up to me that the injury was real. Did he embellish it in his last days with us? Could be...
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That's exactly how I feel. I never got the impression he didn't want to be here. The guy did a photoshoot WITH the team's permission, and then did something stupid by running 40 yard dashes and working out too hard resulting in injury.
What about the fact that the hamstring was miraculously healed by the time he got to New England? The MRI he did when he got to New England showed no hamstring injury? How is that someone who wants to play for the Browns.
What about the fact that the hamstring was miraculously healed by the time he got to New England? The MRI he did when he got to New England showed no hamstring injury? How is that someone who wants to play for the Browns.
You got me. I know the MRI didn't show anything, but the Browns didn't seem to question the injury. Nobody did. Gordon was hurt. Why would the guy make up an injury? Just to get traded? To get cut? With his reputation, he couldn't afford to do that, unless he somehow knew somebody else would pick him up. I never felt the animosity between he and the team. I thought he was happy.
It's not big deal, like I said, we could very well come out winning this trade. Gordon could be gone tomorrow. Heck, he could be gone today. But there's no denying the fact that our team desperately needed WR help, and we never got to see Josh play with Baker. Having Baker and Landry on the field at the same time with someone like Baker? Jesus, I really wanted to see that.
Oh well, perhaps we'll trade for a WR before the deadline.
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That's exactly how I feel. I never got the impression he didn't want to be here. The guy did a photoshoot WITH the team's permission, and then did something stupid by running 40 yard dashes and working out too hard resulting in injury.
What about the fact that the hamstring was miraculously healed by the time he got to New England? The MRI he did when he got to New England showed no hamstring injury? How is that someone who wants to play for the Browns.
What about the fact that the hamstring was miraculously healed by the time he got to New England? The MRI he did when he got to New England showed no hamstring injury? How is that someone who wants to play for the Browns.
From my previous experience with soft tissue injuries, these things do not necessarily show up in x-rays, MRIs etc.
It is why insurance companies can claim that they should not pay much at all for soft tissue injuries (which are often more painful and chronic than a bone break). I had always said "give me a broken bone" in a PI case than soft tissue injuries, because it is so much easier to prove. Of course, it may also be true that soft tissue injuries are easier to fake as well.
See this: Gordon would not be the first guy the Cleveland Browns have dealt with that have faked injury:
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What about the fact that the hamstring was miraculously healed by the time he got to New England? The MRI he did when he got to New England showed no hamstring injury? How is that someone who wants to play for the Browns.
You got me. I know the MRI didn't show anything, but the Browns didn't seem to question the injury. Nobody did. Gordon was hurt. Why would the guy make up an injury? Just to get traded? To get cut? With his reputation, he couldn't afford to do that, unless he somehow knew somebody else would pick him up. I never felt the animosity between he and the team. I thought he was happy.
It's not big deal, like I said, we could very well come out winning this trade. Gordon could be gone tomorrow. Heck, he could be gone today. But there's no denying the fact that our team desperately needed WR help, and we never got to see Josh play with Baker. Having Baker and Landry on the field at the same time with someone like Baker? Jesus, I really wanted to see that.
Oh well, perhaps we'll trade for a WR before the deadline.
Oh well, perhaps we'll trade for a WR before the deadline.
Tyrod to JAX for rookie WR, DJ Chark...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Oh well, perhaps we'll trade for a WR before the deadline.
Tyrod to JAX for rookie WR, DJ Chark...
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