No one talking about the targeting hit on mayfield?
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IMO the most disturbing part of it all is that despite the official closest to the hit throwing his flag - the referee over-ruling him and waiving it off started that play positioned in our backfield 5-7 yards behind Baker and didn't move downfield until after Baker crossed the LOS. Not only that, when Baker crossed from 1 side of the field to the other - the Referee that is trailing the action looks for blocks in the back and holding on all the pursuit also crossing from 1 side to the other. In other words, there were a lot of obstructions and distractions for the Ref to see through in order to have a superior view that would enable him to waive off the flag.
Now, add the hit Garrett had on the 260 lb Roethlisberger OUTSIDE of the pocket which gave them a first and goal inside our 5 yard line instead of the FG they should have had. They got a TD from it instead of just 3 points in a game that went into OT. Over the years, how many times has Roethlisberger broken arm tackles outside of the pocket run or pass?
There's 2 of our OT games where the BAD calls went against this team coming off an 0-16 season where bullshitt apologies mean nothing more than "it's only the Cleveland Browns." Until I see otherwise from this league - they don't give me too many reasons to feel otherwise. Please spare me the lectures of all teams get bad calls against them because it's not nearly as frequent as this team takes it up the dumpster from them. They also made sure they weren't going to allow Derek Carr's fumble that would have provided the game over knockout punch. There's 3 wins they've taken from our players IMO.
IMO the most disturbing part of it all is that despite the official closest to the hit throwing his flag - the referee over-ruling him and waiving it off started that play positioned in our backfield 5-7 yards behind Baker and didn't move downfield until after Baker crossed the LOS. Not only that, when Baker crossed from 1 side of the field to the other - the Referee that is trailing the action looks for blocks in the back and holding on all the pursuit also crossing from 1 side to the other. In other words, there were a lot of obstructions and distractions for the Ref to see through in order to have a superior view that would enable him to waive off the flag.
ya know, the more i watch this play sadly, Baker should have blown up like a fake soccer player called Ben Brady..Instead, in his anger he sprung to his feet..FLipping ball 1st to official.Than sharing some words with Whitehead..Do you know if The trailing official you watched is the ref Bake tosses ball to? Ya never know how a ref will react to that. Now I think that the refs saw no injury risk (waiving off player safety) was done on hit, so refs ate that flag calling him a slide feet 1st runner
imo due to Baker's reaction.(lesson learned?).which is the way wrong way to handle that call..thanks...nonetheless that Had to be a great 2nd half to watch live
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While I believe Browns fans are the worst at blaming their woes on the refs, the hit on Mayfield was a violation, in every aspect of the rule. It is disgusting, NOT idiotic, it is disgusting on many fronts.
I am sick to the point of vomiting when I see how many of their fahking thugs lower their heads to tackle. I watched some show on HBO SPorts about the Monsters of the Midway, Butkus, Eller, White, Green, Greer, Lambert and Ham......NONE of them lowered their head in making tackles. When the fauchk did this disgusting bastardization of football start? How is it that so many of these scumtards lower their heads knowing it is illegal, and seeing the spinal injuries it causes?
The no-call on Baker was despicable. The refs confused incidental head-to-head that is allowed when a QB becomes a runner, then the purposeful lowering of the head.
Frankly, in my humble opinion, the first violation of a hit with lower head should be given a 4-week suspension with no pay. The second violation gets a year suspension with no pay. The third violation gets expulsion from the league.You can be sure if Brady got hit like that, the refs would have been all over it.
Sad. It is sad what these azzhole refs have done to the game.
It's not the refs.. Its Fawking GOD'ell who is systematically ruining the integrity of the NFL itself.. And the way the game is , and should be played.... He is taking the honor and dynamics of the game and turning into a free for all money grab for the owners and for the players and fleecing the fans at the same time... The problem is simply because the NFL is kind of like an in house monopoly.. With no real competition for TV and concession revenue.... It's simply become a farce of what it started out from...
It's not the refs.. Its Fawking GOD'ell who is systematically ruining the integrity of the NFL itself.. And the way the game is , and should be played.... He is taking the honor and dynamics of the game and turning into a free for all money grab for the owners and for the players and fleecing the fans at the same time... The problem is simply because the NFL is kind of like an in house monopoly.. With no real competition for TV and concession revenue.... It's simply become a farce of what it started out from...
I have no argument with this. Godell is a piece of schidt. His lack of spine and moral compass has greatly diminished the league. He has allowed thug culture to prevail.
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The ref actually said “a runner is allowed to be hit in the head”
Is that true?!
The ref actually said “a runner is allowed to be hit in the head”
Is that true?!
Yes and no...
Not all contact to the head has been outlawed... although in Preseason it seemed that it had been.
The keys are the position of the tacklers' helmet and whether a lowered helmet intiates the contact to the "head or neck area" of the player being tackled.
If the tackler both lowers his head and then the crown (or brow) of his helmet strikes his "target's" helmet first , then that is "targeting" and should be flagged with the possibility of ejection.
In this case Baker was clearly targeted.
The problem in the NFL is that calls are not "booth" reviewed in real time as they are in college.
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Guys, let’s face it, the NFL and it’s officiating is BS. Just gotta roll with the punches and overcome.
With all due respect, I don't think we should keep rolling with it. The glass chin they keep shattering is knocking us out more so than our opponents are able to. If that's not a problem worth fighting - we're all wasting serious time following this league. The league seems to care more about pleasing customers in England and Mexico City than long time fans/customers like us and player safety of our 1st overall investment. Somebody at the top of our organization needs to show us he has 2 testicles here with a video collage of specific examples the refs boning us up the asss without the vaseline.
With all due respect, I don't think we should keep rolling with it. The glass chin they keep shattering is knocking us out more so than our opponents are able to. If that's not a problem worth fighting - we're all wasting serious time following this league. The league seems to care more about pleasing customers in England and Mexico City than long time fans/customers like us and player safety of our 1st overall investment. Somebody at the top of our organization needs to show us he has 2 testicles here with a video collage of specific examples the refs boning us up the asss without the vaseline.
I just don’t see the point. As fans, there is nothing we can do.
fans of other teams hearing us complain probably just think we’re crazy/dumb fans. Until this team is good enough to overcome bad calls, it’s gonna be the same blaming the officials for the 1 or 2 terrible calls a game. As a fan, as long as the team scored on that drive, which they did, I don’t care. Baker can take a hit.
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With all due respect, I don't think we should keep rolling with it. The glass chin they keep shattering is knocking us out more so than our opponents are able to. If that's not a problem worth fighting - we're all wasting serious time following this league. The league seems to care more about pleasing customers in England and Mexico City than long time fans/customers like us and player safety of our 1st overall investment. Somebody at the top of our organization needs to show us he has 2 testicles here with a video collage of specific examples the refs boning us up the asss without the vaseline.
I just don’t see the point. As fans, there is nothing we can do.
fans of other teams hearing us complain probably just think we’re crazy/dumb fans. Until this team is good enough to overcome bad calls, it’s gonna be the same blaming the officials for the 1 or 2 terrible calls a game. As a fan, as long as the team scored on that drive, which they did, I don’t care. Baker can take a hit.
I just don’t see the point. As fans, there is nothing we can do.
fans of other teams hearing us complain probably just think we’re crazy/dumb fans. Until this team is good enough to overcome bad calls, it’s gonna be the same blaming the officials for the 1 or 2 terrible calls a game. As a fan, as long as the team scored on that drive, which they did, I don’t care. Baker can take a hit.
There isn't anything we can do about it, not really much the team can do about it either at least in season. As someone who watches a lot of games every Sunday (and Monday and Thursday), there's rotten calls in every game. Every team can say the same thing we do nearly every week. And you're right..we just aren't good enough as a team (Yet) to overcome some of the bad calls we get.
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The ref actually said “a runner is allowed to be hit in the head”
Is that true?!
Yes and no...
Not all contact to the head has been outlawed... although in Preseason it seemed that it had been.
The keys are the position of the tacklers' helmet and whether a lowered helmet intiates the contact to the "head or neck area" of the player being tackled.
If the tackler both lowers his head and then the crown (or brow) of his helmet strikes his "target's" helmet first , then that is "targeting" and should be flagged with the possibility of ejection.
In this case Baker was clearly targeted.
The problem in the NFL is that calls are not "booth" reviewed in real time as they are in college.
Yes and no...
Not all contact to the head has been outlawed... although in Preseason it seemed that it had been.
The keys are the position of the tacklers' helmet and whether a lowered helmet intiates the contact to the "head or neck area" of the player being tackled.
If the tackler both lowers his head and then the crown (or brow) of his helmet strikes his "target's" helmet first , then that is "targeting" and should be flagged with the possibility of ejection.
In this case Baker was clearly targeted.
The problem in the NFL is that calls are not "booth" reviewed in real time as they are in college.
For sure-if they are taking this crap seriously, they need to move to the college model. Keep the flag no matter what and have it auto reviewed. Seems like a fair compromise and this crap wouldn't have happened in the 1st place.
To think they threw the flag on this play and picked it back up is unconscionable. There's no way this can keep happening to this organization week after week in critical moments. To the crowd, is there a reason Haslam and the gang isn't asking filing some sort of grievance here? I know bad calls happen all the time, but this literally the 3rd week in a row our highlights have included the phrase "and the worst reffing error you'll see is here". What's it going to take to actually feel like the refs aren't actively looking to bone the team?
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With all due respect, I don't think we should keep rolling with it. The glass chin they keep shattering is knocking us out more so than our opponents are able to. If that's not a problem worth fighting - we're all wasting serious time following this league. The league seems to care more about pleasing customers in England and Mexico City than long time fans/customers like us and player safety of our 1st overall investment. Somebody at the top of our organization needs to show us he has 2 testicles here with a video collage of specific examples the refs boning us up the asss without the vaseline.
I just don’t see the point. As fans, there is nothing we can do.
fans of other teams hearing us complain probably just think we’re crazy/dumb fans. Until this team is good enough to overcome bad calls, it’s gonna be the same blaming the officials for the 1 or 2 terrible calls a game. As a fan, as long as the team scored on that drive, which they did, I don’t care. Baker can take a hit.
As a fan, as long as the team scored on that drive, which they did, I don’t care. Baker can take a hit.
That's not true. We did not score & why I hated the call after the game..Landry score was on the following drive..After Baker gets whacked with no flag,he hits Nojoke,than Bake hits Landry to 2 yard line on a 1st & 11.one incomplete,Chubb gets to 1 yard line than on 4th& goal Baker gets stuffed giving ball back to TB..That extra 15 yards with Bake juiced over hit,could lead to a different ending before us forcing OT..just under 8 mins left at that point flag gets pick-up..
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As a fan, as long as the team scored on that drive, which they did, I don’t care. Baker can take a hit.
That's not true. We did not score & why I hated the call after the game..Landry score was on the following drive..After Baker gets whacked with no flag,he hits Nojoke,than Bake hits Landry to 2 yard line on a 1st & 11.one incomplete,Chubb gets to 1 yard line than on 4th& goal Baker gets stuffed giving ball back to TB..That extra 15 yards with Bake juiced over hit,could lead to a different ending before us forcing OT..just under 8 mins left at that point flag gets pick-up..
That's not true. We did not score & why I hated the call after the game..That extra 15 yards with Bake juiced over hit,could lead to a different ending before us forcing OT..just under 8 mins left at that point flag gets pick-up..
You’re right, I don’t take the time to double check everything in that sense, my bad.
anyways, after more thought, the rule for targeting needs to be changed and it NEEDS to be reviewable, like it is in college. That wasn’t right, even if Baker can handle it.
Terrible officiating, maybe if Baker just layed there on the ground in stead of getting in the dirty players face, they wouldn’t have picked it up LOL
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As a fan, as long as the team scored on that drive, which they did, I don’t care. Baker can take a hit.
That's not true. We did not score & why I hated the call after the game..Landry score was on the following drive..After Baker gets whacked with no flag,he hits Nojoke,than Bake hits Landry to 2 yard line on a 1st & 11.one incomplete,Chubb gets to 1 yard line than on 4th& goal Baker gets stuffed giving ball back to TB..That extra 15 yards with Bake juiced over hit,could lead to a different ending before us forcing OT..just under 8 mins left at that point flag gets pick-up..
That's not true. We did not score & why I hated the call after the game..Landry score was on the following drive..After Baker gets whacked with no flag,he hits Nojoke,than Bake hits Landry to 2 yard line on a 1st & 11.one incomplete,Chubb gets to 1 yard line than on 4th& goal Baker gets stuffed giving ball back to TB..That extra 15 yards with Bake juiced over hit,could lead to a different ending before us forcing OT..just under 8 mins left at that point flag gets pick-up..
True we didn't score on that drive but I don't see how it really affected the outcome of the game. We didn't score on 4th down. The defense held and we got the ball in great field position (thanks to the Peppers return) and scored to tie up the game.
It was a terrible call and a flag that should never have been picked up but I don't think it changed the outcome of the game.
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That's not true. We did not score & why I hated the call after the game..That extra 15 yards with Bake juiced over hit,could lead to a different ending before us forcing OT..just under 8 mins left at that point flag gets pick-up..
You’re right, I don’t take the time to double check everything in that sense, my bad.
anyways, after more thought, the rule for targeting needs to be changed and it NEEDS to be reviewable, like it is in college. That wasn’t right, even if Baker can handle it.
Terrible officiating, maybe if Baker just layed there on the ground in stead of getting in the dirty players face, they wouldn’t have picked it up LOL
You’re right, I don’t take the time to double check everything in that sense, my bad.
anyways, after more thought, the rule for targeting needs to be changed and it NEEDS to be reviewable, like it is in college. That wasn’t right, even if Baker can handle it.
Terrible officiating, maybe if Baker just layed there on the ground in stead of getting in the dirty players face, they wouldn’t have picked it up LOL
nothing bad,you were at the game..Like myself, at games all the plays kinda run together,i get it..with the 15 yard penalty Nojuku scores easily, Landry getting to 2 yard line never happens.but who knows what's called than.With Hoc-u-zleese picking up the flag like it never happened,Hue was told Baker as a runner or targeting neither were reviewable..This is the crap that needs fixed, not the games in question of being fixxed..
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yeah i agree, the consistency is appalling. Im vastly more infuriated tho by 2 straight weeks of the most obvious false starts not called thst ive ecer seen in 30 years of watching football. Never seen that sht. Winston was noticeably astonished there was no whistle.
The calls are pretty atrocious across the board in all games. Dallas got totally hosed on the game tying FG attempt on a terrible call. At least this time, not calling the false start helped us because we got a sack on the play.
The calls are pretty atrocious across the board in all games. Dallas got totally hosed on the game tying FG attempt on a terrible call. At least this time, not calling the false start helped us because we got a sack on the play.
It's the worst it's ever been. I thought when all the old refs retired this off-season it would get better, boy was soooooooo I wrong. Calls always go against the Browns and to be honest the last two years I didn't care because we sucked that bad and would have lost all those games regardless. It's different this year cause we been in every game except the Chargers game. To see all the pussy- butt roughing the passer calls though half a season, and then have our FQB take a helmet to helmet and these fags eat their whistles infuriates me to no end.
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The ref actually said “a runner is allowed to be hit in the head”
Is that true?!
The ref actually said “a runner is allowed to be hit in the head”
Is that true?!
God No! thats the problem
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http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25066168/nfl-knows-hit-browns-baker-mayfield-flagged
Another week, another "we're sorry we messed up" from the NFL leading the airwaves against the Browns. You guys realize I've copied an pasted this link (with different scenarios) 4 times now right?
Haslam and the Browns organization needs to file a formal inquiry into why this keeps happening, at this level, to the team. If anything, that would send a clear message that they can't keep messing this up and expect no repercussions.
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Those refs had better get heckled vs the Chiefs on 11/4.
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The ref actually said “a runner is allowed to be hit in the head”
Is that true?!
God No! thats the problem
God No! thats the problem
I almost choked on my pretzels when he said that. He literally said he's ALLOWED to be hit in the head. I was stunned, and I'm still stunned.
It probably didn't cost us the game or anything, as this was the drive we got down to the 1 yard line and choked. I wish someone could explain to me why we don't run the ball on 2nd, 3rd, and 4th there with a running back. Obviously there's no kind of guarantee you're going to run it in, but what are the chances a defense can stop a RB 3 straight times? If we run it 3 times and get stuffed, I wouldn't say a darn thing. I'd tip my cap to the Bucs. But that 2nd down pass play was TERRIBLE. Njoku somehow fell down (I'm sure it wasn't defensive holding, noooo way), and I don't like the 4th down play with Baker.
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Hey guys, long time Buccaneers fan here. When I watched that play, I was confused too. I think the referees fixated on the sliding of the quarterback coming late and completely missed the helmet to helmet contact. Should of been a flag for that for sure though, quarterback, running back, makes no difference. All the best with Pittsburgh on Sunday.
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http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25066168/nfl-knows-hit-browns-baker-mayfield-flagged
Another week, another "we're sorry we messed up" from the NFL leading the airwaves against the Browns. You guys realize I've copied an pasted this link (with different scenarios) 4 times now right?
Haslam and the Browns organization needs to file a formal inquiry into why this keeps happening, at this level, to the team. If anything, that would send a clear message that they can't keep messing this up and expect no repercussions.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25066168/nfl-knows-hit-browns-baker-mayfield-flagged
Another week, another "we're sorry we messed up" from the NFL leading the airwaves against the Browns. You guys realize I've copied an pasted this link (with different scenarios) 4 times now right?
Haslam and the Browns organization needs to file a formal inquiry into why this keeps happening, at this level, to the team. If anything, that would send a clear message that they can't keep messing this up and expect no repercussions.
Yeah after watching that video, it was (yet again) another blown call by the refs that went against the Browns. Not like there weren't a couple others in that game.
Can we get a make up no call this week? Garrett goes Turkey Jones on Ben, and we missed it?
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I was not aware that if Baker was a RB in that situation, that the hit would still have been illegal. These new contact rules are utterly flummoxing. I stand by my earlier assessment, I don't like where the NFL is now. These rules are bullsht. But if the rule IS in place, then why they keep "missing" them against the Browns is certainly aggravating given we saw Myles latch on to Ben and drag him down instead of flopping ontop him, and get flagged. NFL may be becoming unwatcheable soon.
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