No one talking about the targeting hit on mayfield?
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Guys, let’s face it, the NFL and it’s officiating is BS. Just gotta roll with the punches and overcome.
With all due respect, I don't think we should keep rolling with it. The glass chin they keep shattering is knocking us out more so than our opponents are able to. If that's not a problem worth fighting - we're all wasting serious time following this league. The league seems to care more about pleasing customers in England and Mexico City than long time fans/customers like us and player safety of our 1st overall investment. Somebody at the top of our organization needs to show us he has 2 testicles here with a video collage of specific examples the refs boning us up the asss without the vaseline.
With all due respect, I don't think we should keep rolling with it. The glass chin they keep shattering is knocking us out more so than our opponents are able to. If that's not a problem worth fighting - we're all wasting serious time following this league. The league seems to care more about pleasing customers in England and Mexico City than long time fans/customers like us and player safety of our 1st overall investment. Somebody at the top of our organization needs to show us he has 2 testicles here with a video collage of specific examples the refs boning us up the asss without the vaseline.
I just don’t see the point. As fans, there is nothing we can do.
fans of other teams hearing us complain probably just think we’re crazy/dumb fans. Until this team is good enough to overcome bad calls, it’s gonna be the same blaming the officials for the 1 or 2 terrible calls a game. As a fan, as long as the team scored on that drive, which they did, I don’t care. Baker can take a hit.
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With all due respect, I don't think we should keep rolling with it. The glass chin they keep shattering is knocking us out more so than our opponents are able to. If that's not a problem worth fighting - we're all wasting serious time following this league. The league seems to care more about pleasing customers in England and Mexico City than long time fans/customers like us and player safety of our 1st overall investment. Somebody at the top of our organization needs to show us he has 2 testicles here with a video collage of specific examples the refs boning us up the asss without the vaseline.
I just don’t see the point. As fans, there is nothing we can do.
fans of other teams hearing us complain probably just think we’re crazy/dumb fans. Until this team is good enough to overcome bad calls, it’s gonna be the same blaming the officials for the 1 or 2 terrible calls a game. As a fan, as long as the team scored on that drive, which they did, I don’t care. Baker can take a hit.
I just don’t see the point. As fans, there is nothing we can do.
fans of other teams hearing us complain probably just think we’re crazy/dumb fans. Until this team is good enough to overcome bad calls, it’s gonna be the same blaming the officials for the 1 or 2 terrible calls a game. As a fan, as long as the team scored on that drive, which they did, I don’t care. Baker can take a hit.
There isn't anything we can do about it, not really much the team can do about it either at least in season. As someone who watches a lot of games every Sunday (and Monday and Thursday), there's rotten calls in every game. Every team can say the same thing we do nearly every week. And you're right..we just aren't good enough as a team (Yet) to overcome some of the bad calls we get.
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The ref actually said “a runner is allowed to be hit in the head”
Is that true?!
Yes and no...
Not all contact to the head has been outlawed... although in Preseason it seemed that it had been.
The keys are the position of the tacklers' helmet and whether a lowered helmet intiates the contact to the "head or neck area" of the player being tackled.
If the tackler both lowers his head and then the crown (or brow) of his helmet strikes his "target's" helmet first , then that is "targeting" and should be flagged with the possibility of ejection.
In this case Baker was clearly targeted.
The problem in the NFL is that calls are not "booth" reviewed in real time as they are in college.
Yes and no...
Not all contact to the head has been outlawed... although in Preseason it seemed that it had been.
The keys are the position of the tacklers' helmet and whether a lowered helmet intiates the contact to the "head or neck area" of the player being tackled.
If the tackler both lowers his head and then the crown (or brow) of his helmet strikes his "target's" helmet first , then that is "targeting" and should be flagged with the possibility of ejection.
In this case Baker was clearly targeted.
The problem in the NFL is that calls are not "booth" reviewed in real time as they are in college.
For sure-if they are taking this crap seriously, they need to move to the college model. Keep the flag no matter what and have it auto reviewed. Seems like a fair compromise and this crap wouldn't have happened in the 1st place.
To think they threw the flag on this play and picked it back up is unconscionable. There's no way this can keep happening to this organization week after week in critical moments. To the crowd, is there a reason Haslam and the gang isn't asking filing some sort of grievance here? I know bad calls happen all the time, but this literally the 3rd week in a row our highlights have included the phrase "and the worst reffing error you'll see is here". What's it going to take to actually feel like the refs aren't actively looking to bone the team?
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With all due respect, I don't think we should keep rolling with it. The glass chin they keep shattering is knocking us out more so than our opponents are able to. If that's not a problem worth fighting - we're all wasting serious time following this league. The league seems to care more about pleasing customers in England and Mexico City than long time fans/customers like us and player safety of our 1st overall investment. Somebody at the top of our organization needs to show us he has 2 testicles here with a video collage of specific examples the refs boning us up the asss without the vaseline.
I just don’t see the point. As fans, there is nothing we can do.
fans of other teams hearing us complain probably just think we’re crazy/dumb fans. Until this team is good enough to overcome bad calls, it’s gonna be the same blaming the officials for the 1 or 2 terrible calls a game. As a fan, as long as the team scored on that drive, which they did, I don’t care. Baker can take a hit.
As a fan, as long as the team scored on that drive, which they did, I don’t care. Baker can take a hit.
That's not true. We did not score & why I hated the call after the game..Landry score was on the following drive..After Baker gets whacked with no flag,he hits Nojoke,than Bake hits Landry to 2 yard line on a 1st & 11.one incomplete,Chubb gets to 1 yard line than on 4th& goal Baker gets stuffed giving ball back to TB..That extra 15 yards with Bake juiced over hit,could lead to a different ending before us forcing OT..just under 8 mins left at that point flag gets pick-up..
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As a fan, as long as the team scored on that drive, which they did, I don’t care. Baker can take a hit.
That's not true. We did not score & why I hated the call after the game..Landry score was on the following drive..After Baker gets whacked with no flag,he hits Nojoke,than Bake hits Landry to 2 yard line on a 1st & 11.one incomplete,Chubb gets to 1 yard line than on 4th& goal Baker gets stuffed giving ball back to TB..That extra 15 yards with Bake juiced over hit,could lead to a different ending before us forcing OT..just under 8 mins left at that point flag gets pick-up..
That's not true. We did not score & why I hated the call after the game..That extra 15 yards with Bake juiced over hit,could lead to a different ending before us forcing OT..just under 8 mins left at that point flag gets pick-up..
You’re right, I don’t take the time to double check everything in that sense, my bad.
anyways, after more thought, the rule for targeting needs to be changed and it NEEDS to be reviewable, like it is in college. That wasn’t right, even if Baker can handle it.
Terrible officiating, maybe if Baker just layed there on the ground in stead of getting in the dirty players face, they wouldn’t have picked it up LOL
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As a fan, as long as the team scored on that drive, which they did, I don’t care. Baker can take a hit.
That's not true. We did not score & why I hated the call after the game..Landry score was on the following drive..After Baker gets whacked with no flag,he hits Nojoke,than Bake hits Landry to 2 yard line on a 1st & 11.one incomplete,Chubb gets to 1 yard line than on 4th& goal Baker gets stuffed giving ball back to TB..That extra 15 yards with Bake juiced over hit,could lead to a different ending before us forcing OT..just under 8 mins left at that point flag gets pick-up..
That's not true. We did not score & why I hated the call after the game..Landry score was on the following drive..After Baker gets whacked with no flag,he hits Nojoke,than Bake hits Landry to 2 yard line on a 1st & 11.one incomplete,Chubb gets to 1 yard line than on 4th& goal Baker gets stuffed giving ball back to TB..That extra 15 yards with Bake juiced over hit,could lead to a different ending before us forcing OT..just under 8 mins left at that point flag gets pick-up..
True we didn't score on that drive but I don't see how it really affected the outcome of the game. We didn't score on 4th down. The defense held and we got the ball in great field position (thanks to the Peppers return) and scored to tie up the game.
It was a terrible call and a flag that should never have been picked up but I don't think it changed the outcome of the game.
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That's not true. We did not score & why I hated the call after the game..That extra 15 yards with Bake juiced over hit,could lead to a different ending before us forcing OT..just under 8 mins left at that point flag gets pick-up..
You’re right, I don’t take the time to double check everything in that sense, my bad.
anyways, after more thought, the rule for targeting needs to be changed and it NEEDS to be reviewable, like it is in college. That wasn’t right, even if Baker can handle it.
Terrible officiating, maybe if Baker just layed there on the ground in stead of getting in the dirty players face, they wouldn’t have picked it up LOL
You’re right, I don’t take the time to double check everything in that sense, my bad.
anyways, after more thought, the rule for targeting needs to be changed and it NEEDS to be reviewable, like it is in college. That wasn’t right, even if Baker can handle it.
Terrible officiating, maybe if Baker just layed there on the ground in stead of getting in the dirty players face, they wouldn’t have picked it up LOL
nothing bad,you were at the game..Like myself, at games all the plays kinda run together,i get it..with the 15 yard penalty Nojuku scores easily, Landry getting to 2 yard line never happens.but who knows what's called than.With Hoc-u-zleese picking up the flag like it never happened,Hue was told Baker as a runner or targeting neither were reviewable..This is the crap that needs fixed, not the games in question of being fixxed..
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yeah i agree, the consistency is appalling. Im vastly more infuriated tho by 2 straight weeks of the most obvious false starts not called thst ive ecer seen in 30 years of watching football. Never seen that sht. Winston was noticeably astonished there was no whistle.
The calls are pretty atrocious across the board in all games. Dallas got totally hosed on the game tying FG attempt on a terrible call. At least this time, not calling the false start helped us because we got a sack on the play.
The calls are pretty atrocious across the board in all games. Dallas got totally hosed on the game tying FG attempt on a terrible call. At least this time, not calling the false start helped us because we got a sack on the play.
It's the worst it's ever been. I thought when all the old refs retired this off-season it would get better, boy was soooooooo I wrong. Calls always go against the Browns and to be honest the last two years I didn't care because we sucked that bad and would have lost all those games regardless. It's different this year cause we been in every game except the Chargers game. To see all the pussy- butt roughing the passer calls though half a season, and then have our FQB take a helmet to helmet and these fags eat their whistles infuriates me to no end.
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The ref actually said “a runner is allowed to be hit in the head”
Is that true?!
The ref actually said “a runner is allowed to be hit in the head”
Is that true?!
God No! thats the problem
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http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25066168/nfl-knows-hit-browns-baker-mayfield-flagged
Another week, another "we're sorry we messed up" from the NFL leading the airwaves against the Browns. You guys realize I've copied an pasted this link (with different scenarios) 4 times now right?
Haslam and the Browns organization needs to file a formal inquiry into why this keeps happening, at this level, to the team. If anything, that would send a clear message that they can't keep messing this up and expect no repercussions.
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Those refs had better get heckled vs the Chiefs on 11/4.
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The ref actually said “a runner is allowed to be hit in the head”
Is that true?!
God No! thats the problem
God No! thats the problem
I almost choked on my pretzels when he said that. He literally said he's ALLOWED to be hit in the head. I was stunned, and I'm still stunned.
It probably didn't cost us the game or anything, as this was the drive we got down to the 1 yard line and choked. I wish someone could explain to me why we don't run the ball on 2nd, 3rd, and 4th there with a running back. Obviously there's no kind of guarantee you're going to run it in, but what are the chances a defense can stop a RB 3 straight times? If we run it 3 times and get stuffed, I wouldn't say a darn thing. I'd tip my cap to the Bucs. But that 2nd down pass play was TERRIBLE. Njoku somehow fell down (I'm sure it wasn't defensive holding, noooo way), and I don't like the 4th down play with Baker.
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Hey guys, long time Buccaneers fan here. When I watched that play, I was confused too. I think the referees fixated on the sliding of the quarterback coming late and completely missed the helmet to helmet contact. Should of been a flag for that for sure though, quarterback, running back, makes no difference. All the best with Pittsburgh on Sunday.
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http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25066168/nfl-knows-hit-browns-baker-mayfield-flagged
Another week, another "we're sorry we messed up" from the NFL leading the airwaves against the Browns. You guys realize I've copied an pasted this link (with different scenarios) 4 times now right?
Haslam and the Browns organization needs to file a formal inquiry into why this keeps happening, at this level, to the team. If anything, that would send a clear message that they can't keep messing this up and expect no repercussions.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25066168/nfl-knows-hit-browns-baker-mayfield-flagged
Another week, another "we're sorry we messed up" from the NFL leading the airwaves against the Browns. You guys realize I've copied an pasted this link (with different scenarios) 4 times now right?
Haslam and the Browns organization needs to file a formal inquiry into why this keeps happening, at this level, to the team. If anything, that would send a clear message that they can't keep messing this up and expect no repercussions.
Yeah after watching that video, it was (yet again) another blown call by the refs that went against the Browns. Not like there weren't a couple others in that game.
Can we get a make up no call this week? Garrett goes Turkey Jones on Ben, and we missed it?
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I was not aware that if Baker was a RB in that situation, that the hit would still have been illegal. These new contact rules are utterly flummoxing. I stand by my earlier assessment, I don't like where the NFL is now. These rules are bullsht. But if the rule IS in place, then why they keep "missing" them against the Browns is certainly aggravating given we saw Myles latch on to Ben and drag him down instead of flopping ontop him, and get flagged. NFL may be becoming unwatcheable soon.
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I was not aware that if Baker was a RB in that situation, that the hit would still have been illegal. These new contact rules are utterly flummoxing. I stand by my earlier assessment, I don't like where the NFL is now. These rules are bullsht. But if the rule IS in place, then why they keep "missing" them against the Browns is certainly aggravating given we saw Myles latch on to Ben and drag him down instead of flopping ontop him, and get flagged. NFL may be becoming unwatcheable soon.
I was not aware that if Baker was a RB in that situation, that the hit would still have been illegal. These new contact rules are utterly flummoxing. I stand by my earlier assessment, I don't like where the NFL is now. These rules are bullsht. But if the rule IS in place, then why they keep "missing" them against the Browns is certainly aggravating given we saw Myles latch on to Ben and drag him down instead of flopping ontop him, and get flagged. NFL may be becoming unwatcheable soon.
If you watch the video I posted on page 1 of this thread, not only is a rule in place but it can even be called on the offensive player for leading with his helmet and initiating contact and then making contact. There needs to be all 3, lowering of the helmet, initiating the contact, and then making contact using and leading with the helmet.
No clue how all 7 officials on the field missed this or didn't see it or correct it to make sure the rule was being enforced correctly but they all did. Just another in an amazingly long line of bad calls in every game.
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I was not aware that if Baker was a RB in that situation, that the hit would still have been illegal. These new contact rules are utterly flummoxing. I stand by my earlier assessment, I don't like where the NFL is now. These rules are bullsht. But if the rule IS in place, then why they keep "missing" them against the Browns is certainly aggravating given we saw Myles latch on to Ben and drag him down instead of flopping ontop him, and get flagged. NFL may be becoming unwatcheable soon.
If you watch the video I posted on page 1 of this thread, not only is a rule in place but it can even be called on the offensive player for leading with his helmet and initiating contact and then making contact. There needs to be all 3, lowering of the helmet, initiating the contact, and then making contact using and leading with the helmet.
No clue how all 7 officials on the field missed this or didn't see it or correct it to make sure the rule was being enforced correctly but they all did. Just another in an amazingly long line of bad calls in every game.
There's nothing wrong with the targeting rule. It protects the targeter as much as it does the targetee.
It's the enforcement process that sucks.
Just as "observers" can call down for a player to be examined for a concussion, so should they be able to call down for review of a hit. And then, as with calls actually made on the field, the review should be thru the video process.
... it can even be called on the offensive player for leading with his helmet and initiating contact and then making contact.
Bingo... but since preseason I've not seen it called on an offensive player. IIRC there was an "emphasis change" that came out of the last owners' meeting just before the season started.
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When has this "targeting rule" EVER been called on an offensive player. I have never seen it....ever.
And remember this:
We loved that play....but without doubt it should, under these new rules, be called a penalty...but I suspect that it would not be.
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