Haslam is the Problem
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Dude is a massive crook. I wouldn’t trust him with my Netflix password.
After he made the team draft Manziel he should have been forced to sell the team.
Everytime he talks he sounds like a politician. He didn’t answer a single question they asked him today.
Maybe if we are lucky he will get thrown in jail when they are hiring the next coach.
Jeezzz, would you like me to give you a blow by blow of stuff other owners that have done that tops Jimmy's bad moves? I can start with the Saints owner letting Mike Ditka trade his entire draft for Ricky Williams....
Art Schmodell dumping TWO HOF coaches Paul Brown and Billy Boy (and a close third in Marty) because he was a freaking idiot?
There have been NFL owners just as if not more crooked than Haslam. Forget about the DeBartolos? Owner of the Patriots before Kraft took over? I'll let Gipper take over, because he has a lot better memory of that stuff than me...
Jeezzz, would you like me to give you a blow by blow of stuff other owners that have done that tops Jimmy's bad moves? I can start with the Saints owner letting Mike Ditka trade his entire draft for Ricky Williams....
Art Schmodell dumping TWO HOF coaches Paul Brown and Billy Boy (and a close third in Marty) because he was a freaking idiot?
There have been NFL owners just as if not more crooked than Haslam. Forget about the DeBartolos? Owner of the Patriots before Kraft took over? I'll let Gipper take over, because he has a lot better memory of that stuff than me...
Junkie Irsay? ?
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Poof! Magically Disappear!! https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/10/jimmy_haslam_should_leave_for.html Doug may have outdone Pluto this week?
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Man, Doug Shmucking annihilated Haslam in that piece.
Good for him.
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Maybe the staff could talk him into scouting kickers in New Zealand for awhile. I’m real glad that the media is calling the hill rod out on this. Just maybe this time it sinks in
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Single most important point Lemerises makes...
Haslam repeatedly has hired a coach and a GM and made both of them report to the owner separately. In your "How to Create a Power Struggle" manual, that's Step One. Heck, it's practically the only step.
I'm counting on this being corrected this time...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Single most important point Lemerises makes...
Haslam repeatedly has hired a coach and a GM and made both of them report to the owner separately. In your "How to Create a Power Struggle" manual, that's Step One. Heck, it's practically the only step.
I'm counting on this being corrected this time...
Single most important point Lemerises makes...
I'm counting on this being corrected this time...
That absolutely blows my mind.
Hell, even the mob knows that you don't skip levels. The boss of a family isn't talking to a street level soldier.
With Jimmy's business tactics, you'd think he'd know this too.
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Haslem's record as an owner is downright tragic.
So his first day as Owner he brings in Joe Banner as CEO, as it is announced that Homgren will leave the team after the season.
Banner was suggested by the NFL
He inherits GM Heckert and coach Shurmur, in the middle of the Shurmur's second season which ends 5-11, after 4-12 the previous year, so Heckert and Shurmur are both relieved of their duties after the season.
Haslem and Banner excitedly announce their big hire as football coach: Rob Chudzinsky. They chose him over the likes of Mike Zimmer and Bill O'Brien.
"When Haslam and Banner embarked on their coaching search as 2013 began, the pair vowed they would wait as long as necessary to find "the right coach" for Cleveland. They promised to give their new coach final say over the roster and planned to pair him with an executive to help pick players ..."I believe we came back with the best coach for the Cleveland Browns," said Haslam, who flew Thursday night with Banner to Charlotte, N.C., to offer Chudzinski the job. "He is one of the brightest young coaches in the business."
THEN they hire a GM ... Lombardi.
So, then Chud goes 4-12, just like the previous coach did, and they fire him at the end of one season, despite him being saddled with Brandon Weeden and Jason Campbell as his QBs and 94 year old Willis McGahee as his feature back.
Haslem and Banner say they "erred" in choosing Chudzinski and admitted that all their moves during the season (Trading Richardson, etc.) were geared for a big 2014 offseason ... And they were going to get it right!
Ahhh, the 2014 Offseason, Jimmah's finest moment ... On the advice of Banner and Lombardi he hires Bills DC Mike Pettine (one of the few defenses we were able to beat the previous season) to be the HC. Then, GET THIS, three weeks later, he fires both Banner and Lombardi and promotes young Ray Farmer to GM (He said he feared he would lose this great talent to another team if he didn't promote him. Now Pettine and Farmer are married together and are both to answer to Jimmy, along with Operations guy Alec Scheiner, with no CEO or Prez or football guy to answer to in between ... What could go wrong? Jimmy's trust in the great talent of Ray Farmer pays off in that 2014 draft they were building up to when he delivers, not only "shutdown corner" Justin Gilbert but "franchise QB" Johnny Manziel as well in the first round (Neither of them are allowed to play football in America anymore).
With the team 7-6 in Pettine's first season, after a 7-4 start and still and vying for a playoff spot, orders come from above to bench overachieving journeyman Brian Hoyer with unprepared party boy John Manziel and, welcome yet another losing season!
The 2015 offseason is another textbook in dysfunction: Manziel heads to rehab, star receiver Josh Gordon is suspended for substance violations, Farmer is suspended for the first four games for texting the coaches during the games the previous season, promising offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan says "I'm out of here", Farmer spends two first rounders on plodding lineman who are no longer with the team, and just before the season is to start, the offensive line coach is arrested on domestic violence charges ... But we got new uniforms!
Somehow that team won three games, and Jimmy fired both Farmer and Pettine after the season. I believe on the same day he fired Pet and Farmer, he excitedly handed over the keys to exec. VP/ General counsel Sashi Brown, making Brown, who never played or coached the game or picked players before, the fourth GM in so many years. We were going the analytics route with "Moneyball" Paul Depodesta as "Chief Strategy Officer" and a third Harvard alum, former scout Matthew Berry, as VP of personnel.
These intellectuals put their brains together and decided to hire Hue Jackson
"It's very exciting for us to name Hue Jackson as the head coach of the Cleveland Browns," Jimmy Haslam said in a release. "He embodies all the qualities that will provide strong leadership for our football team. He is highly experienced, deeply passionate about winning, and relentless in trying to find ways to put his players in the best position to succeed.
First order of Business for the "Harvard Connection": Sign washed-up QB Robert Griffin III to a two-year contract. Second order of business, let four starters walk in free agency (Welcome to Cleveland, Hue!) Third order of business: Trade out of the #2 spot (Franchise QB Carson Wentz) to the #8 spot, and trade out of the #8 spot (All Pro Tackle Jack Conklin) to nab WR Corey Coleman at #15. Coleman has spent the past two months being cut four times by three teams. The depleted 3-13 team roster somehow wins a game in December and the Browns avoid an 0-16 Season ... Now, THAT would have been embarrassing!
The next offseason, the Browns astound the football world by actually staying put with the #1 pick and drafting the consensus best prospect, Myles Garrett. But they didn't disappoint by going full "Brownsie" later in the first round by trading out of the #12 spot, and away from future franchise QB Deshaun Watson (The Browns had no QBs on the roster that had ever won a footaball game before except Brock Osweiler who they acquired in the fist NFL salary dump trade and later cut). Hue Jack is commissioned to go to war with a 2nd round rookie at QB and tons of unused cap space remaining, well ... unused, and ... LO AND BEHOLD ... We did it ... 0-16!
John Dorsey is brought in around the 0-12 mark as Sashi Brown is dumped less than two years after being handed the keys, but Haslem stipulates to Dorsey that he will be keeping 1-31 Hue around. But Hue must hire a new playcaller: Todd Haley.
Cut to 2018, Dorsey's picks are looking good and the Browns may have finally secured a franchise QB of their own as they start out 2-2-1 and are competitive in every contest. Then the wheels come off, three bad losses in a row, Hue and Haley apparently cannot get along in the same sandbox, and Jimmy fires BOTH Jackson and Haley in the middle, the very middle, of the season. Poor DC Gregg Williams is tabbed interim coach, and is married to Freddie Kitchens as his offensive coordinator without a say in the matter.
Nothing dysfunctional at all going on here, Jimmy.
I'm sure you'll get it right at the end of the season when the rest of the coaching staff is let go and a new chain of command is devised.
I mean you have to get right eventually ... right? Right??
Zombo
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Haslam is A problem, but not necessarily THE problem. It would have likely been worse if he had stuck with the Banners/Lombardi's/Farmers/Sashi's/Chuds/Pettine/Jackson.
I put more of the blame on those guys......but enough of it on Jimmy for hiring those guys. (just not all of it)
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Haslam is A problem, but not necessarily THE problem. It would have likely been worse if he had stuck with the Banners/Lombardi's/Farmers/Sashi's/Chuds/Pettine/Jackson.
I put more of the blame on those guys......but enough of it on Jimmy for hiring those guys. (just not all of it)
Haslam is A problem, but not necessarily THE problem. It would have likely been worse if he had stuck with the Banners/Lombardi's/Farmers/Sashi's/Chuds/Pettine/Jackson.
I put more of the blame on those guys......but enough of it on Jimmy for hiring those guys. (just not all of it)
Well, either way, you are blaming guys that Jimmy entrusted the franchise to.
Hopefully he got 9ne right with Dorsey and we build positively off of that.
Z
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The "boss" needs to adress this simking ship. Dont ask what needs to be said, but leadership from the very top is whats necessary right now. Would be better if the owner was actually from the area and a long time fan but whatever.....jimmy needs to take some personal action like tommorrow morning. And no judt firing some jokers to bring in some new jokers isnt gonna cut it
The "boss" needs to adress this simking ship. Dont ask what needs to be said, but leadership from the very top is whats necessary right now. Would be better if the owner was actually from the area and a long time fan but whatever.....jimmy needs to take some personal action like tommorrow morning. And no judt firing some jokers to bring in some new jokers isnt gonna cut it
He is but you can't fire the owner. I thought the Lerners were the worst but man was I wrong
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Haslam is A problem, but not necessarily THE problem. It would have likely been worse if he had stuck with the Banners/Lombardi's/Farmers/Sashi's/Chuds/Pettine/Jackson.
I put more of the blame on those guys......but enough of it on Jimmy for hiring those guys. (just not all of it)
Well, either way, you are blaming guys that Jimmy entrusted the franchise to.
Hopefully he got 9ne right with Dorsey and we build positively off of that.
Z
Zombo said:
Well, either way, you are blaming guys that Jimmy entrusted the franchise to.
Hopefully he got 9ne right with Dorsey and we build positively off of that.
Z
Right.
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Haslem's record as an owner is downright tragic.
So his first day as Owner he brings in Joe Banner as CEO, as it is announced that Homgren will leave the team after the season.
Banner was suggested by the NFL
He inherits GM Heckert and coach Shurmur, in the middle of the Shurmur's second season which ends 5-11, after 4-12 the previous year, so Heckert and Shurmur are both relieved of their duties after the season.
Haslem and Banner excitedly announce their big hire as football coach: Rob Chudzinsky. They chose him over the likes of Mike Zimmer and Bill O'Brien.
"When Haslam and Banner embarked on their coaching search as 2013 began, the pair vowed they would wait as long as necessary to find "the right coach" for Cleveland. They promised to give their new coach final say over the roster and planned to pair him with an executive to help pick players ..."I believe we came back with the best coach for the Cleveland Browns," said Haslam, who flew Thursday night with Banner to Charlotte, N.C., to offer Chudzinski the job. "He is one of the brightest young coaches in the business."
THEN they hire a GM ... Lombardi.
So, then Chud goes 4-12, just like the previous coach did, and they fire him at the end of one season, despite him being saddled with Brandon Weeden and Jason Campbell as his QBs and 94 year old Willis McGahee as his feature back.
Haslem and Banner say they "erred" in choosing Chudzinski and admitted that all their moves during the season (Trading Richardson, etc.) were geared for a big 2014 offseason ... And they were going to get it right!
Ahhh, the 2014 Offseason, Jimmah's finest moment ... On the advice of Banner and Lombardi he hires Bills DC Mike Pettine (one of the few defenses we were able to beat the previous season) to be the HC. Then, GET THIS, three weeks later, he fires both Banner and Lombardi and promotes young Ray Farmer to GM (He said he feared he would lose this great talent to another team if he didn't promote him. Now Pettine and Farmer are married together and are both to answer to Jimmy, along with Operations guy Alec Scheiner, with no CEO or Prez or football guy to answer to in between ... What could go wrong? Jimmy's trust in the great talent of Ray Farmer pays off in that 2014 draft they were building up to when he delivers, not only "shutdown corner" Justin Gilbert but "franchise QB" Johnny Manziel as well in the first round (Neither of them are allowed to play football in America anymore).
With the team 7-6 in Pettine's first season, after a 7-4 start and still and vying for a playoff spot, orders come from above to bench overachieving journeyman Brian Hoyer with unprepared party boy John Manziel and, welcome yet another losing season!
The 2015 offseason is another textbook in dysfunction: Manziel heads to rehab, star receiver Josh Gordon is suspended for substance violations, Farmer is suspended for the first four games for texting the coaches during the games the previous season, promising offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan says "I'm out of here", Farmer spends two first rounders on plodding lineman who are no longer with the team, and just before the season is to start, the offensive line coach is arrested on domestic violence charges ... But we got new uniforms!
Somehow that team won three games, and Jimmy fired both Farmer and Pettine after the season. I believe on the same day he fired Pet and Farmer, he excitedly handed over the keys to exec. VP/ General counsel Sashi Brown, making Brown, who never played or coached the game or picked players before, the fourth GM in so many years. We were going the analytics route with "Moneyball" Paul Depodesta as "Chief Strategy Officer" and a third Harvard alum, former scout Matthew Berry, as VP of personnel.
These intellectuals put their brains together and decided to hire Hue Jackson
"It's very exciting for us to name Hue Jackson as the head coach of the Cleveland Browns," Jimmy Haslam said in a release. "He embodies all the qualities that will provide strong leadership for our football team. He is highly experienced, deeply passionate about winning, and relentless in trying to find ways to put his players in the best position to succeed.
First order of Business for the "Harvard Connection": Sign washed-up QB Robert Griffin III to a two-year contract. Second order of business, let four starters walk in free agency (Welcome to Cleveland, Hue!) Third order of business: Trade out of the #2 spot (Franchise QB Carson Wentz) to the #8 spot, and trade out of the #8 spot (All Pro Tackle Jack Conklin) to nab WR Corey Coleman at #15. Coleman has spent the past two months being cut four times by three teams. The depleted 3-13 team roster somehow wins a game in December and the Browns avoid an 0-16 Season ... Now, THAT would have been embarrassing!
The next offseason, the Browns astound the football world by actually staying put with the #1 pick and drafting the consensus best prospect, Myles Garrett. But they didn't disappoint by going full "Brownsie" later in the first round by trading out of the #12 spot, and away from future franchise QB Deshaun Watson (The Browns had no QBs on the roster that had ever won a footaball game before except Brock Osweiler who they acquired in the fist NFL salary dump trade and later cut). Hue Jack is commissioned to go to war with a 2nd round rookie at QB and tons of unused cap space remaining, well ... unused, and ... LO AND BEHOLD ... We did it ... 0-16!
John Dorsey is brought in around the 0-12 mark as Sashi Brown is dumped less than two years after being handed the keys, but Haslem stipulates to Dorsey that he will be keeping 1-31 Hue around. But Hue must hire a new playcaller: Todd Haley.
Cut to 2018, Dorsey's picks are looking good and the Browns may have finally secured a franchise QB of their own as they start out 2-2-1 and are competitive in every contest. Then the wheels come off, three bad losses in a row, Hue and Haley apparently cannot get along in the same sandbox, and Jimmy fires BOTH Jackson and Haley in the middle, the very middle, of the season. Poor DC Gregg Williams is tabbed interim coach, and is married to Freddie Kitchens as his offensive coordinator without a say in the matter.
Nothing dysfunctional at all going on here, Jimmy.
I'm sure you'll get it right at the end of the season when the rest of the coaching staff is let go and a new chain of command is devised.
I mean you have to get right eventually ... right? Right??
Zombo
Zombo said:
Haslem's record as an owner is downright tragic.
So his first day as Owner he brings in Joe Banner as CEO, as it is announced that Homgren will leave the team after the season.
Banner was suggested by the NFL
He inherits GM Heckert and coach Shurmur, in the middle of the Shurmur's second season which ends 5-11, after 4-12 the previous year, so Heckert and Shurmur are both relieved of their duties after the season.
Haslem and Banner excitedly announce their big hire as football coach: Rob Chudzinsky. They chose him over the likes of Mike Zimmer and Bill O'Brien.
"When Haslam and Banner embarked on their coaching search as 2013 began, the pair vowed they would wait as long as necessary to find "the right coach" for Cleveland. They promised to give their new coach final say over the roster and planned to pair him with an executive to help pick players ..."I believe we came back with the best coach for the Cleveland Browns," said Haslam, who flew Thursday night with Banner to Charlotte, N.C., to offer Chudzinski the job. "He is one of the brightest young coaches in the business."
THEN they hire a GM ... Lombardi.
So, then Chud goes 4-12, just like the previous coach did, and they fire him at the end of one season, despite him being saddled with Brandon Weeden and Jason Campbell as his QBs and 94 year old Willis McGahee as his feature back.
Haslem and Banner say they "erred" in choosing Chudzinski and admitted that all their moves during the season (Trading Richardson, etc.) were geared for a big 2014 offseason ... And they were going to get it right!
Ahhh, the 2014 Offseason, Jimmah's finest moment ... On the advice of Banner and Lombardi he hires Bills DC Mike Pettine (one of the few defenses we were able to beat the previous season) to be the HC. Then, GET THIS, three weeks later, he fires both Banner and Lombardi and promotes young Ray Farmer to GM (He said he feared he would lose this great talent to another team if he didn't promote him. Now Pettine and Farmer are married together and are both to answer to Jimmy, along with Operations guy Alec Scheiner, with no CEO or Prez or football guy to answer to in between ... What could go wrong? Jimmy's trust in the great talent of Ray Farmer pays off in that 2014 draft they were building up to when he delivers, not only "shutdown corner" Justin Gilbert but "franchise QB" Johnny Manziel as well in the first round (Neither of them are allowed to play football in America anymore).
With the team 7-6 in Pettine's first season, after a 7-4 start and still and vying for a playoff spot, orders come from above to bench overachieving journeyman Brian Hoyer with unprepared party boy John Manziel and, welcome yet another losing season!
The 2015 offseason is another textbook in dysfunction: Manziel heads to rehab, star receiver Josh Gordon is suspended for substance violations, Farmer is suspended for the first four games for texting the coaches during the games the previous season, promising offensive coordinator Kyle Shanahan says "I'm out of here", Farmer spends two first rounders on plodding lineman who are no longer with the team, and just before the season is to start, the offensive line coach is arrested on domestic violence charges ... But we got new uniforms!
Somehow that team won three games, and Jimmy fired both Farmer and Pettine after the season. I believe on the same day he fired Pet and Farmer, he excitedly handed over the keys to exec. VP/ General counsel Sashi Brown, making Brown, who never played or coached the game or picked players before, the fourth GM in so many years. We were going the analytics route with "Moneyball" Paul Depodesta as "Chief Strategy Officer" and a third Harvard alum, former scout Matthew Berry, as VP of personnel.
These intellectuals put their brains together and decided to hire Hue Jackson
"It's very exciting for us to name Hue Jackson as the head coach of the Cleveland Browns," Jimmy Haslam said in a release. "He embodies all the qualities that will provide strong leadership for our football team. He is highly experienced, deeply passionate about winning, and relentless in trying to find ways to put his players in the best position to succeed.
First order of Business for the "Harvard Connection": Sign washed-up QB Robert Griffin III to a two-year contract. Second order of business, let four starters walk in free agency (Welcome to Cleveland, Hue!) Third order of business: Trade out of the #2 spot (Franchise QB Carson Wentz) to the #8 spot, and trade out of the #8 spot (All Pro Tackle Jack Conklin) to nab WR Corey Coleman at #15. Coleman has spent the past two months being cut four times by three teams. The depleted 3-13 team roster somehow wins a game in December and the Browns avoid an 0-16 Season ... Now, THAT would have been embarrassing!
The next offseason, the Browns astound the football world by actually staying put with the #1 pick and drafting the consensus best prospect, Myles Garrett. But they didn't disappoint by going full "Brownsie" later in the first round by trading out of the #12 spot, and away from future franchise QB Deshaun Watson (The Browns had no QBs on the roster that had ever won a footaball game before except Brock Osweiler who they acquired in the fist NFL salary dump trade and later cut). Hue Jack is commissioned to go to war with a 2nd round rookie at QB and tons of unused cap space remaining, well ... unused, and ... LO AND BEHOLD ... We did it ... 0-16!
John Dorsey is brought in around the 0-12 mark as Sashi Brown is dumped less than two years after being handed the keys, but Haslem stipulates to Dorsey that he will be keeping 1-31 Hue around. But Hue must hire a new playcaller: Todd Haley.
Cut to 2017, Dorsey's picks are looking good and the Browns may have finally secured a franchise QB of their own as they start out 2-2-1 and are competitive in every contest. Then the wheels come off, three bad losses in a row, Hue and Haley apparently cannot get along in the same sandbox, and Jimmy fires BOTH Jackson and Haley in the middle, the very middle, of the season. Poor DC Gregg Williams is tabbed interim coach, and is married to Freddie Kitchens as his offensive coordinator without a say in the matter.
Nothing dysfunctional at all going on here, Jimmy.
I'm sure you'll get it right at the end of the season when the rest of the coaching staff is let go and a new chain of command is devised.
I mean you have to get right eventually ... right? Right??
Zombo
god that post really brings home the perennial dysfunction. Those quotes after every hire/fire........god.....rehash
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The "boss" needs to adress this simking ship. Dont ask what needs to be said, but leadership from the very top is whats necessary right now. Would be better if the owner was actually from the area and a long time fan but whatever.....jimmy needs to take some personal action like tommorrow morning. And no judt firing some jokers to bring in some new jokers isnt gonna cut it
He is but you can't fire the owner. I thought the Lerners were the worst but man was I wrong
He is but you can't fire the owner. I thought the Lerners were the worst but man was I wrong
Remember how happy Browns fans were when it was announced that Randy Lerner was selling the team?
Sigh.
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He is but you can't fire the owner. I thought the Lerners were the worst but man was I wrong
Remember how happy Browns fans were when it was announced that Randy Lerner was selling the team?
Sigh.
Remember how happy Browns fans were when it was announced that Randy Lerner was selling the team?
Sigh.
I was one of them. Given Haslam’s part in the Steelers organization I was so hopeful. The the FBI hit, then Sashi and now the broken record routine has me contemplating becoming a Lions fan
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Remember how happy Browns fans were when it was announced that Randy Lerner was selling the team?
Sigh.
I was one of them. Given Haslam’s part in the Steelers organization I was so hopeful. The the FBI hit, then Sashi and now the broken record routine has me contemplating becoming a Lions fan
I was one of them. Given Haslam’s part in the Steelers organization I was so hopeful. The the FBI hit, then Sashi and now the broken record routine has me contemplating becoming a Lions fan
Don’t let the door hit you in the butt on the way out. Adios sayonara sucker
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Sure Haslam has his problems.But he does not play nor coach.But simply stop? selecting your GM's coaches
Remember the good days of Belicheck,Sam & Marty? Take a look at their complete coaching staffs with Browns than what followed after Browns..No Ray Horton's nor Jim O'Neil's..If Cam Erving comes in here playing G & pancakes somebody where I have to watch him help someone up with hugs? Am going to ?..Am even a bigger fan of Gregg Williams now.He knows enough good connections to put his staff together. If it's all about changing cultures? Take a look at what Dabo Sweeney has done at Clemson ?.I also think Dorsey & he are a good match.But my fear of any of the college coaches, is the shorter list of 'good" position coaches...And the patience of Jimmy H.
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No matter how bad the Jimmy has been as the owner
22-81-1 is the record
I will always root for the Browns
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