Josh Gordon Traded to Pats

The Gipper

Why are we still talking about this guy?

Maybe we can talk about any number of other former Browns WR:

How are Paul Warfield and Gary Collins doing these days? What about Dante Lavelli and Mac Speedie.

I wonder if Brian Robiskie is still effing up. We got him with a 2d round pick.

I am still pissed about Northcutt's drop in the 2002 playoff game vs. Pitt.

We could use a man like that mother fuyucker Reggie Ruyucker.

Why didn't Lawyer Tillman ever make it?

Which WR made the biggest catch in Browns playoff history? Brian Brennan vs. the Jets?

CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS

I don’t wanna keep talking about Josh Gordon.

But the pettiness continues: he has like 3 pictures where it says the coaches were fired.....

mjp28

@nickers said:

......Looks like a pathetic ending for a pathetic QB who apparently , can't get his Sheet togther.. he's worthless in any league.. The writing is on the wall Johnny.. You're toast!

Actually JM did things no college quarterback ever did. His rise was meteoric but his lack of personal exprrience and character flaws did him in. (Remember Maurice Clarett?) His list of accomplishments and accolades are a mile long and won't all fit here and why freshmen should not be eligible for some major awards.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Manziel

College honors

Full-season awards

2012 Heisman Trophy winner (first freshman to win)^[111]
2012 Davey O'Brien National Quarterback Award winner (first freshman to win)^[112]
2012 Manning Award winner (first freshman to win)^[5]
2012 First-team All-American by:

◦ Associated Press^[113]

◦ Football Writers Association of America^[114]

◦ Walter Camp Football Foundation^[115]

◦ Sporting News^[116]

◦ ESPN^[117]

◦ CBS Sports^[118]

◦ Scout.com^[119]

◦ Sports Illustrated^[120]

2012 Sporting News College Football Player of the Year^[121]
2012 SEC Offensive Player of the Year^[122]
2012 SEC Freshman of the Year^[122]
2012 All-SEC First-Team Quarterback^[122]
2013 Cotton Bowl Classic – Offensive MVP^[123]
2012 ESPN.com All-Bowl Team^[124]
2013 SEC Male Athlete of the Year^[125]
2013 Chick-fil-A Bowl – Offensive MVP^[126]

Weekly awards

2-time Walter Camp National Offensive Player of the Week^[115]
3-time AT&T All-America Player of the Week^[127]
4-time SEC Offensive Player of the Week^[128]
9-time SEC Freshman of the Week^[128]

NCAA records and notes

FBS freshman record: rushing yards by a quarterback, season (1,410)^[5]
FBS freshman record: total offense, season (5,116)^[5]
10th-most (at the time) single-season total offensive yards in NCAA FBS history^[129]
Most games with 300 or more passing yards and 100+ rushing yards, career (4)..........on and on the list goes.......

The Gipper

@mjp28 said:

Actually JM did things no college quarterback ever did. His rise was meteoric but his lack of personal exprrience and character flaws did him in. (Remember Maurice Clarett?) His list of accomplishments and accolades are a mile long and won't all fit here and why freshmen should not be elidgible for some major awards.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Manziel

College honors

Full-season awards

2012 Heisman Trophy winner (first freshman to win)^[111]

2012 Davey O'Brien National Quarterback Award winner (first freshman to win)^[112]

2012 Manning Award winner (first freshman to win)^[5]

2012 First-team All-American by:

◦ Associated Press^[113]

◦ Football Writers Association of America^[114]

◦ Walter Camp Football Foundation^[115]

◦ Sporting News^[116]

◦ ESPN^[117]

◦ CBS Sports^[118]

◦ Scout.com^[119]

◦ Sports Illustrated^[120]

2012 Sporting News College Football Player of the Year^[121]

2012 SEC Offensive Player of the Year^[122]

2012 SEC Freshman of the Year^[122]

2012 All-SEC First-Team Quarterback^[122]

2013 Cotton Bowl Classic – Offensive MVP^[123]

2012 ESPN.com All-Bowl Team^[124]

2013 SEC Male Athlete of the Year^[125]

2013 Chick-fil-A Bowl – Offensive MVP^[126]

Weekly awards

2-time Walter Camp National Offensive Player of the Week^[115]

3-time AT&T All-America Player of the Week^[127]

4-time SEC Offensive Player of the Week^[128]

9-time SEC Freshman of the Week^[128]

NCAA records and notes

FBS freshman record: rushing yards by a quarterback, season (1,410)^[5]

FBS freshman record: total offense, season (5,116)^[5]

10th-most (at the time) single-season total offensive yards in NCAA FBS history^[129]

Most games with 300 or more passing yards and 100+ rushing yards, career (4)..........on and on the list goes.......

NOthing that Gino Torretta, Jason White, Eric Crouch, Tim Tebow, Troy Smith, Matt Leinert, Chris Weinke, Danny Wuerfell, Charlie Ward and others didn't accomplish. You know...all THOSE great NFL QBs.

Point: college accomplishments don't mean squat.

mjp28

@the-gipper said:

NOthing that Gino Torretta, Jason White, Eric Crouch, Tim Tebow, Troy Smith, Matt Leinert, Chris Weinke, Danny Wuerfell, Charlie Ward and others didn't accomplish. You know...all THOSE great NFL QBs.

Point: college accomplishments don't mean squat.

College accomplishments can be an indicator of talent but NOT a guarantee of success at the professional level. He had accolades in spades but tried to finish being a college kid at the next level.....didn't work for him.

CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS

You guys are talking about Johnny Football now?!!??

mjp28

@clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

You guys are talking about Johnny Football now?!!??

Yeah when Flash and JFF decided to shack up together and party like it was 1999 or maybe 1969 they kind of followed similiar career paths.....and lucky for us they were Cleveland Browns, before Hard Knocks.

CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS

@mjp28 said:

Yeah when Flash and JFF decided to shack up together and party like it was 1999 or maybe 1969 they kind of followed similiar career paths.....and lucky for us they were Cleveland Browns, before Hard Knocks.

They were just 2 young and talented dude with substance abuse issues, that’s why it didn’t work. Not much more to say imo

The Gipper

@mjp28 said:

College accomplishments can be an indicator of talent but NOT a guarantee of success at the professional level. He had accolades in spades but tried to finish being a college kid at the next level.....didn't work for him.

They can be an indicator that you have college level talent, not necessarily NFL level talent. As clearly evidenced by the list I provided.

darren15

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

CLEVELANDwantsPLAYOFFS

He still does not look healthy.. and he’s still dominant.

hoorta

@clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

He still does not look healthy.. and he’s still dominant.

And now it's all peaches and cream since he got his way out of Cleveland... Big TD? he's lost a step or two...

But still. Coulda used the bum...

flyingfooldoug

@hoorta said:

And now it's all peaches and cream since he got his way out of Cleveland... Big TD? he's lost a step or two...

But still. Coulda used the bum...

Another bus victim?

BaconHound

At least Gordon would've given us a WR the other team worried about

Tour2ma

Not as much as most folks here worried about him...

Dominant? Not even close...

The long TD was a great play design sold by a great QB, but it only goes for 15 if the Safety plays the man instead of going for the INT.

That said Josh's best catch of the nite was disallowed for being OB... he wasn't.

crstphr2

Gordon now has more receiving yards with the Patriots in six games (396) than he had with the Browns from 2015 through 2018 (352)

jiggins7919

I'm not trying to start the "we should not have traded Gordon" debacle, but I will say that it really hurts to lose someone like Gordon when his play is exactly what we need. We don't really have a receiver on the roster who can go up and take the ball away from someone, or someone who can catch a ball and go the distance. The safety tried to arm tackle Gordon on that long TD, and basically bounced right off of him. Gordon then ran about half speed all the way to the end zone.

Is he dominant? No. But that's the beauty of the Patriots' offensive situation. They have Josh Gordon and hardly even NEED his services.

Yes, his TD was the result of a well-designed play, and subsequent terrible tackle attempt, but it should be noted we started off the game yesterday with basically the same play, and it didn't work. We faked the WR screen, and tried to look for a deep shot. I loved the play, especially on the first down of the game, but things just don't seem to work like that for us.

Gordon had 5 catches on 10 targets, which isn't a great percentage, but when the receptions go for 130 yards, nobody is complaining. If we ever had a 55 yard TD reception, I think the entire stadium would explode in joy and astonishment.

jcam222

@jiggins7919 said:

I'm not trying to start the "we should not have traded Gordon" debacle, but I will say that it really hurts to lose someone like Gordon when his play is exactly what we need. We don't really have a receiver on the roster who can go up and take the ball away from someone, or someone who can catch a ball and go the distance. The safety tried to arm tackle Gordon on that long TD, and basically bounced right off of him. Gordon then ran about half speed all the way to the end zone.

Is he dominant? No. But that's the beauty of the Patriots' offensive situation. They have Josh Gordon and hardly even NEED his services.

Yes, his TD was the result of a well-designed play, and subsequent terrible tackle attempt, but it should be noted we started off the game yesterday with basically the same play, and it didn't work. We faked the WR screen, and tried to look for a deep shot. I loved the play, especially on the first down of the game, but things just don't seem to work like that for us.

Gordon had 5 catches on 10 targets, which isn't a great percentage, but when the receptions go for 130 yards, nobody is complaining. If we ever had a 55 yard TD reception, I think the entire stadium would explode in joy and astonishment.

I will be "that guy" for you Trading Gordon for less than a bag of magic beans was STUPID. He is exactly what we need on the field right now as a receiver. Watching him last night made me sick to see in a Patriots uni. I get the tardiness and immaturity stuff, ok fine him , bench him a quarter (ala Belicheck) but every week watching our sh!tty receivers knowing we could have had this is laughable. I suspect if we revisit whether or not he is dominant several game from now the opinion will change as well.

browns52

@hoorta said:

And now it's all peaches and cream since he got his way out of Cleveland... Big TD? he's lost a step or two...

But still. Coulda used the bum...

are you kidding me...when was the last time we had a receiver go 5 catches for 130 and a td.....lost a step....hmmmmmmm....

browns52

@jiggins7919 said:

I'm not trying to start the "we should not have traded Gordon" debacle, but I will say that it really hurts to lose someone like Gordon when his play is exactly what we need. We don't really have a receiver on the roster who can go up and take the ball away from someone, or someone who can catch a ball and go the distance. The safety tried to arm tackle Gordon on that long TD, and basically bounced right off of him. Gordon then ran about half speed all the way to the end zone.

Is he dominant? No. But that's the beauty of the Patriots' offensive situation. They have Josh Gordon and hardly even NEED his services.

Yes, his TD was the result of a well-designed play, and subsequent terrible tackle attempt, but it should be noted we started off the game yesterday with basically the same play, and it didn't work. We faked the WR screen, and tried to look for a deep shot. I loved the play, especially on the first down of the game, but things just don't seem to work like that for us.

Gordon had 5 catches on 10 targets, which isn't a great percentage, but when the receptions go for 130 yards, nobody is complaining. If we ever had a 55 yard TD reception, I think the entire stadium would explode in joy and astonishment.

he can be as dominant as he was his first yr.....unless he screws it up.....again......his skills are still there....all of them.....and we have Sheet on the field for receivers....