3-4 defense....
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I’ve just never been a 4-3 fan. Especially with how bad we get beat to the edge.
a proper 4-3 staffed with right proper 43 kunts is "usually" going to have better edge protection than a 3-4 defense that has smaller lighter OLB'ers holding the edge.
Most people dont want to beleive this but losing nassib was huge on edge protection. Right now our starters have to be in there so much that by the endvof the game they start to lose edge containment, which is dirty heavy work. Losing a rotational talent like nassib who would be spelling the DE's on both sides alot more than they're getting now, was huge...no question about it. Everything i thought would happen when i read meder and nassib were sent off...is coming true. Our depth guys are such a liability right now that the starters have to play most of the game.....
a proper 4-3 staffed with right proper 43 kunts is "usually" going to have better edge protection than a 3-4 defense that has smaller lighter OLB'ers holding the edge.
Most people dont want to beleive this but losing nassib was huge on edge protection.
I like having more speed out there, and coverage ability, and ability to disguise, which the 3-4 seems to present which is essential in the NFL today.
The 4-3 seems vanilla to me. Maybe we need DOMINANT lineman across the board and we just don’t have them.
I just don’t know if Ogbah has many any plays this year. I’ve barely heard his name called. I think it’s just too much youth on an already banged up defense.
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a proper 4-3 staffed with right proper 43 kunts is "usually" going to have better edge protection than a 3-4 defense that has smaller lighter OLB'ers holding the edge.
Most people dont want to beleive this but losing nassib was huge on edge protection.
I like having more speed out there, and coverage ability, and ability to disguise, which the 3-4 seems to present which is essential in the NFL today.
The 4-3 seems vanilla to me. Maybe we need DOMINANT lineman across the board and we just don’t have them.
I just don’t know if Ogbah has many any plays this year. I’ve barely heard his name called. I think it’s just too much youth on an already banged up defense.
I like having more speed out there, and coverage ability, and ability to disguise, which the 3-4 seems to present which is essential in the NFL today.
The 4-3 seems vanilla to me. Maybe we need DOMINANT lineman across the board and we just don’t have them.
I just don’t know if Ogbah has many any plays this year. I’ve barely heard his name called. I think it’s just too much youth on an already banged up defense.
yeah ogbah had some flashes a few games ago but now is quiet again. The only qb pressure from the left comes from Genard...and he's that situational specialist "usually" set aside for the blind side...but that's Myles side. Im starting to wonder if we shouldn't tell myles next year to put 5-10 lbs on and have him rotate from side to side more. It seems he needs a bit more weight out there to power edge rush more. Since we don't have anybody else bringing consistent pressure, it's all on him...and he's having to speed rush more because we're getting depleted in the secondary. The big surprise to me is the disappearance of ogunjobi. Not hearing his name called whatsoever anymore. Our interior DL is almost nonexistent in getting penetration and is getting gashed in the run. I heard one DL called today, Coley. And on a mild play at that.
I loved what we had last year. I really thought Shelton, Meder and Ogun plus maybe a surprise in Brantley..was going to be the best DL rotation in football. I didn't like it but I was ok with Shelton getting traded. The loss of meder and Brantley as well had me dumbfounded. We got rid of so much rotational depth and brought in guys a week before opening day. We essentially torpedoed the front 7 that looked "really" good against the eagles in preseason. I dont' understand how you look at the eagles game and say "this won't do". I don't get it.
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a proper 4-3 staffed with right proper 43 kunts is "usually" going to have better edge protection than a 3-4 defense that has smaller lighter OLB'ers holding the edge.
Most people dont want to beleive this but losing nassib was huge on edge protection.
I like having more speed out there, and coverage ability, and ability to disguise, which the 3-4 seems to present which is essential in the NFL today.
The 4-3 seems vanilla to me. Maybe we need DOMINANT lineman across the board and we just don’t have them.
I just don’t know if Ogbah has many any plays this year. I’ve barely heard his name called. I think it’s just too much youth on an already banged up defense.
The 4-3 seems vanilla
Doomsday Defense
Purple People Eaters
Legion of Boom
Steel Curtain
2000 Ravens
What do they all have in common? They are the best Defenses in football history and they were all a 4-3 base Defense.
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The 4-3 seems vanilla
Doomsday Defense
Purple People Eaters
Legion of Boom
Steel Curtain
2000 Ravens
What do they all have in common? They are the best Defenses in football history and they were all a 4-3 base Defense.
Doomsday Defense
Purple People Eaters
Legion of Boom
Steel Curtain
2000 Ravens
What do they all have in common? They are the best Defenses in football history and they were all a 4-3 base Defense.
Don't forget one of the greatest of all time, '86 Bears.
DefenseFS Gary Fencik ⋅ WLB MLB SLB Wilber Marshall Mike Singletary Otis Wilson ⋅ ⋅ ⋅ SS Dave Duerson ⋅ CB Mike Richardson ⋅ DE DT DT DE Richard Dent William "Refrigerator" Perry Steve McMichael Dan Hampton ⋅ ⋅ ⋅ ⋅ CB Vestee Jackson Reggie Phillips -
Man the '85 Bears team was fun to watch.
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The 4-3 seems vanilla
Doomsday Defense
Purple People Eaters
Legion of Boom
Steel Curtain
2000 Ravens
What do they all have in common? They are the best Defenses in football history and they were all a 4-3 base Defense.
What do they all have in common? They are the best Defenses in football history and they were all a 4-3 base Defense.
We don’t have the personnel at the moment but maybe in the future we will have a great 4-3 defense.
I’d think a stud free safety and a more developed version of the linebackers/defensive line would make me or anyone more convinced in our scheme.
Schobert is gonna be great, Kirksey does well in the middle.I think they’d work nicely in the 3-4 together. That would be some nice coverage ability in the middle of the field.
I recall our 3-4 defense will D’Quell Jackson being pretty solid. Especially with how bad the offense usually was.
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The 4-3 seems vanilla
Doomsday Defense
Purple People Eaters
Legion of Boom
Steel Curtain
2000 Ravens
What do they all have in common? They are the best Defenses in football history and they were all a 4-3 base Defense.
Doomsday Defense
Purple People Eaters
Legion of Boom
Steel Curtain
2000 Ravens
What do they all have in common? They are the best Defenses in football history and they were all a 4-3 base Defense.
ravens were 3-4 tho right? they had sam adams and tony siragusa up the middle which is what made that defense work.....yes, i know ray lewis was a raven. Those two monster 2 gappers let ray track the ball carriers through that line....
imo a very good 43 def is easier to assemble than a 34. U need too many special guys to run a great 34. The SF def when they went to the SB is one of my fav defenses if all time and they're a 34. But they had patrick willis and navarro bowman as ilb'ers. Ahmad brooks and aldon smith as tbe olb'ers.....and the best 5 tech in the league at the time in justin smith. Just a stupidly stacked front 7. They also had a pretty good NT but i cant rem his name right now.
i really wish we hadnt gotten rid of shelton and meder. Our interior rotation of those two and ogunjobi would have been world bearers to go along with myles on the outside. That would have covered for our deficiency at LDE.
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What do they all have in common? They are the best Defenses in football history and they were all a 4-3 base Defense.
We don’t have the personnel at the moment but maybe in the future we will have a great 4-3 defense.
I’d think a stud free safety and a more developed version of the linebackers/defensive line would make me or anyone more convinced in our scheme.
Schobert is gonna be great, Kirksey does well in the middle.I think they’d work nicely in the 3-4 together. That would be some nice coverage ability in the middle of the field.
I recall our 3-4 defense will D’Quell Jackson being pretty solid. Especially with how bad the offense usually was.
I recall our 3-4 defense will D’Quell Jackson being pretty solid. Especially with how bad the offense usually was.
the 2 years under shurmur when we ran a 43 with DQ as the mlb and sheard at DE was the most promising defense we had since the very early 2000's when jamir miller was here. That was a 3-4, but after tgat every 34 we ran sucked wholeass
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dont even get me started on horton and pettines 3-4 defenses. That acheme just diesnt wirk in cleveland i dont know why
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I recall our 3-4 defense will D’Quell Jackson being pretty solid. Especially with how bad the offense usually was.
the 2 years under shurmur when we ran a 43 with DQ as the mlb and sheard at DE was the most promising defense we had since the very early 2000's when jamir miller was here. That was a 3-4, but after tgat every 34 we ran sucked wholeass
the 2 years under shurmur when we ran a 43 with DQ as the mlb and sheard at DE was the most promising defense we had since the very early 2000's when jamir miller was here.
That was a solid defense. A lot of veterans on it too, though.. and sheard was a very solid player.
I just remember the 3-4 defense would bend a lot but not break, even good teams would have some drives and end up settling for FGs a lot.
I like the schemes that employ both 3-4 and 4-3, considering some teams have better personnel for one or the other.. And injuries can change a game plan defensively.
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dont even get me started on horton and pettines 3-4 defenses. That acheme just diesnt wirk in cleveland i dont know why
dont even get me started on horton and pettines 3-4 defenses. That acheme just diesnt wirk in cleveland i dont know why
It didn't work because you need stud LBs for a 3-4.... Browns didn't have any and didn't draft any.
We wanted QBs.
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the 2 years under shurmur when we ran a 43 with DQ as the mlb and sheard at DE was the most promising defense we had since the very early 2000's when jamir miller was here.
That was a solid defense. A lot of veterans on it too, though.. and sheard was a very solid player.
I just remember the 3-4 defense would bend a lot but not break, even good teams would have some drives and end up settling for FGs a lot.
I like the schemes that employ both 3-4 and 4-3, considering some teams have better personnel for one or the other.. And injuries can change a game plan defensively.
I just remember the 3-4 defense would bend a lot but not break, even good teams would have some drives and end up settling for FGs a lot.
rem these were the defenses that gave up a couple near 300 yd rushing days to jamaal lewis
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What do they all have in common? They are the best Defenses in football history and they were all a 4-3 base Defense.
We don’t have the personnel at the moment but maybe in the future we will have a great 4-3 defense.
I’d think a stud free safety and a more developed version of the linebackers/defensive line would make me or anyone more convinced in our scheme.
Schobert is gonna be great, Kirksey does well in the middle.I think they’d work nicely in the 3-4 together. That would be some nice coverage ability in the middle of the field.
I recall our 3-4 defense will D’Quell Jackson being pretty solid. Especially with how bad the offense usually was.
We don’t have the personnel at the moment but maybe in the future we will have a great 4-3 defense.
I’d think a stud free safety and a more developed version of the linebackers/defensive line would make me or anyone more convinced in our scheme.
So...you are not all in on Peppers at FS?
Schobert is gonna be great, Kirksey does well in the middle.I think they’d work nicely in the 3-4 together. That would be some nice coverage ability in the middle of the field.
I recall our 3-4 defense will D’Quell Jackson being pretty solid. Especially with how bad the offense usually was.
No, it wasn't....it was pretty lame. DQJ was lame. He made a ton of tackles though.....all 6-8-10 yards down the field.
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We don’t have the personnel at the moment but maybe in the future we will have a great 4-3 defense.
I’d think a stud free safety and a more developed version of the linebackers/defensive line would make me or anyone more convinced in our scheme.
So...you are not all in on Peppers at FS?
Schobert is gonna be great, Kirksey does well in the middle.I think they’d work nicely in the 3-4 together. That would be some nice coverage ability in the middle of the field.
I recall our 3-4 defense will D’Quell Jackson being pretty solid. Especially with how bad the offense usually was.
No, it wasn't....it was pretty lame. DQJ was lame. He made a ton of tackles though.....all 6-8-10 yards down the field.
I like peppers at SS. But he only had 1 INT in college... He can HIT and has great tackling ability. Seems like more of an SS. D Randall has been the free safety, he does have decent ball skills; but isn’t an elite FS. Imagine if we had Earl Thomas?..... Cleveland would love Earl Thomas.
DQ was lame? He was the best tackler at the LB position we’ve had. Too bad the rest of the team was usually bad.
Anyway, bend what don’t break was my point, the defense breaks, a lot. And is pretty bad in the red zone.
The Titans, Ravens, Bears, Texans, are among the leaders in fewest big plays. Browns? Second to worst.
Here is a stat that confirms the 3-4 is legit:
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I just remember the 3-4 defense would bend a lot but not break, even good teams would have some drives and end up settling for FGs a lot.
rem these were the defenses that gave up a couple near 300 yd rushing days to jamaal lewis
rem these were the defenses that gave up a couple near 300 yd rushing days to jamaal lewis
Nobody on the defense had the talent to tackle J Lewis. The ravens were always good and probably had above average oLine too.
I’m talking scheme fits with personnel. The DLine has under performed.
The linebackers(when healthy) would do nicely with there speed and athleticism.
Collins - Schobert - Kirksey - Avery
Garrett - Coley - Ogunjobi
(Ogbah rotating in)
edit: or have Myles on the edge standing up rushing, and Ogbah as other defensive end.
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I like peppers at SS. But he only had 1 INT in college... He can HIT and has great tackling ability. Seems like more of an SS. D Randall has been the free safety, he does have decent ball skills; but isn’t an elite FS. Imagine if we had Earl Thomas?..... Cleveland would love Earl Thomas.
DQ was lame? He was the best tackler at the LB position we’ve had. Too bad the rest of the team was usually bad.
Anyway, bend what don’t break was my point, the defense breaks, a lot. And is pretty bad in the red zone.
The Titans, Ravens, Bears, Texans, are among the leaders in fewest big plays. Browns? Second to worst.
Here is a stat that confirms the 3-4 is legit:
I like peppers at SS. But he only had 1 INT in college... He can HIT and has great tackling ability. Seems like more of an SS. D Randall has been the free safety, he does have decent ball skills; but isn’t an elite FS. Imagine if we had Earl Thomas?..... Cleveland would love Earl Thomas.
My bad.....I forgot that they moved Peppers. I would say he is doing better....but he won't be mistaken for anything like a Pro Bowl caliber DB...which is what we expected to get out of a first rounder.
DQ was lame? He was the best tackler at the LB position we’ve had. Too bad the rest of the team was usually bad.
I did not stutter, did I? DQ was lame....and maybe he was the leader of a lame defense, but he was a lame leader. AGain, he could make some tackles after the other team gained 6-8-10 yards. He was almost always out of position. He was never there to fill gaps in the line to stop the other team short. Compared to his contemporary at the same position, Ray Lewis, DQ was creampuff defender.
Anyway, bend what don’t break was my point, the defense breaks, a lot. And is pretty bad in the red zone.
The Titans, Ravens, Bears, Texans, are among the leaders in fewest big plays. Browns? Second to worst.
I would not argue that. This defense seems not to be able to cover the other teams WRs....and they make up for it by not being able to tackle either.
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Why not? The defense can’t get much worse than it has been.
Why not? The defense can’t get much worse than it has been.
Please don't tell the truth about Greg Williams Alter Schweizer defense. Haven't you heard? Flugel said Williams was going to have the D whipped up into a frenzy? Whipped Cream with a Zumba instructor dancing around like a Hooters waitress. The D is honestly and indeed, not that good. I predicted Williams D would be far more QB aggressive but undisciplined, Perhaps he needs a couple more players, BUT................. why don't we have better players ? We are 59 million under the cap, and we have Dorsey. D'uh, THIS is the improvement we are supposed to be excited about?
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Why not? The defense can’t get much worse than it has been.
Please don't tell the truth about Greg Williams Alter Schweizer defense. Haven't you heard? Flugel said Williams was going to have the D whipped up into a frenzy? Whipped Cream with a Zumba instructor dancing around like a Hooters waitress. The D is honestly and indeed, not that good. I predicted Williams D would be far more QB aggressive but undisciplined, Perhaps he needs a couple more players, BUT................. why don't we have better players ? We are 59 million under the cap, and we have Dorsey. D'uh, THIS is the improvement we are supposed to be excited about?
Please don't tell the truth about Greg Williams Alter Schweizer defense. Haven't you heard? Flugel said Williams was going to have the D whipped up into a frenzy? Whipped Cream with a Zumba instructor dancing around like a Hooters waitress. The D is honestly and indeed, not that good. I predicted Williams D would be far more QB aggressive but undisciplined, Perhaps he needs a couple more players, BUT................. why don't we have better players ? We are 59 million under the cap, and we have Dorsey. D'uh, THIS is the improvement we are supposed to be excited about?
When you lose two starting CBs in the first Q you are NOT going to get much from a defense that relies on them to stop the short game long enough to get to the QB. That being said Williams screwed up big time by trying to blitz on 3rd and 20 rather than just keep the play in front of the backside players. Very stupid!
And the Zumba dancer is tied for 3rd with Von Miller and JJ Watt @ 9 sacks for the season. And pressuring the QB is his role in the way Williams runs the D, not stopping the run.
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I really hope the 4-3 will improve, and that it’s just the injuries/few missing pieces that have inspired this post.
I wanna stress this again, though: Earl Thomas at free safety.
He plays harder than any safety in the NORTH since Troy P. Of course, his asking price may be too high. But damn, what a potential signing to bolster this defense.
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I really hope the 4-3 will improve, and that it’s just the injuries/few missing pieces that have inspired this post.
I wanna stress this again, though: Earl Thomas at free safety.
He plays harder than any safety in the NORTH since Troy P. Of course, his asking price may be too high. But damn, what a potential signing to bolster this defense.
I really hope the 4-3 will improve, and that it’s just the injuries/few missing pieces that have inspired this post.
I wanna stress this again, though: Earl Thomas at free safety.
He plays harder than any safety in the NORTH since Troy P. Of course, his asking price may be too high. But damn, what a potential signing to bolster this defense.
Probably better than Troy P. A lot of what Polamalu did was just run around like a chicken with his head cut off with his wild hair flowing. And people, including you, apparently thought that that was "playing harder" than anyone else. While he would make the occasional spectacular play....overall I believe his play was basically above average. An Earl Thomas was probably actually significantly better.....if quieter.
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