3-4 defense....
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Doomsday Defense
Purple People Eaters
Legion of Boom
Steel Curtain
2000 Ravens
What do they all have in common? They are the best Defenses in football history and they were all a 4-3 base Defense.
ravens were 3-4 tho right? they had sam adams and tony siragusa up the middle which is what made that defense work.....yes, i know ray lewis was a raven. Those two monster 2 gappers let ray track the ball carriers through that line....
imo a very good 43 def is easier to assemble than a 34. U need too many special guys to run a great 34. The SF def when they went to the SB is one of my fav defenses if all time and they're a 34. But they had patrick willis and navarro bowman as ilb'ers. Ahmad brooks and aldon smith as tbe olb'ers.....and the best 5 tech in the league at the time in justin smith. Just a stupidly stacked front 7. They also had a pretty good NT but i cant rem his name right now.
i really wish we hadnt gotten rid of shelton and meder. Our interior rotation of those two and ogunjobi would have been world bearers to go along with myles on the outside. That would have covered for our deficiency at LDE.
ravens were 3-4 tho right? they had sam adams and tony siragusa up the middle which is what made that defense work.....yes, i know ray lewis was a raven. Those two monster 2 gappers let ray track the ball carriers through that line....
imo a very good 43 def is easier to assemble than a 34. U need too many special guys to run a great 34. The SF def when they went to the SB is one of my fav defenses if all time and they're a 34. But they had patrick willis and navarro bowman as ilb'ers. Ahmad brooks and aldon smith as tbe olb'ers.....and the best 5 tech in the league at the time in justin smith. Just a stupidly stacked front 7. They also had a pretty good NT but i cant rem his name right now.
i really wish we hadnt gotten rid of shelton and meder. Our interior rotation of those two and ogunjobi would have been world bearers to go along with myles on the outside. That would have covered for our deficiency at LDE.
In 2000 Ravens ran Marvin Lewis' 4-3 base Defense. They went to a 3-4 when he became HC of the Bengals a few years later.
Both Defenses have pluses and minuses, in my opinion the 4-3 works best and is easier to build. With a 3-4 you need to target specific types of players and at a premium in order to run a great 3-4. Not so much with the 4-3 as the 4-3 Defense is all about creating mismatches, you can scheme situations where you can generate a passrush from either DE spot, the UT spot, SLB, MLB and SS. That is a lot of options you can't get from the 3-4.
We need to keep the scheme we have and keep adding talent, which again, is easier to do for a 4-3. Look around various rosters and you will see 4-3 Linemen and LBers can be found all over the draft.
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I really hope the 4-3 will improve, and that it’s just the injuries/few missing pieces that have inspired this post.
I wanna stress this again, though: Earl Thomas at free safety.
He plays harder than any safety in the NORTH since Troy P. Of course, his asking price may be too high. But damn, what a potential signing to bolster this defense.
Probably better than Troy P. A lot of what Polamalu did was just run around like a chicken with his head cut off with his wild hair flowing. And people, including you, apparently thought that that was "playing harder" than anyone else. While he would make the occasional spectacular play....overall I believe his play was basically above average. An Earl Thomas was probably actually significantly better.....if quieter.
Probably better than Troy P. A lot of what Polamalu did was just run around like a chicken with his head cut off with his wild hair flowing. And people, including you, apparently thought that that was "playing harder" than anyone else. While he would make the occasional spectacular play....overall I believe his play was basically above average. An Earl Thomas was probably actually significantly better.....if quieter.
Troy P was a poor man's Roy William's, a headhunter with mediocre tackling skills that made a career out of his effeminate hair flowing as he ran around the field lost most of the time and a career out of literally a handful of plays ESPN promoted the Sheet out of.
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what is the PROBLEM that this solution of a 3-4 defense is supposed to solve?
If you want to stop the run.. we had a pretty good 4-3 defense last season against the run. And we were much better at matching up on the back end earlier this season when.. our DB's were healthy.
So... is the problem the chalkboard or is the problem the players who are trying to execute the movements on that chalkboard?
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I really hope the 4-3 will improve, and that it’s just the injuries/few missing pieces that have inspired this post.
I wanna stress this again, though: Earl Thomas at free safety.
He plays harder than any safety in the NORTH since Troy P. Of course, his asking price may be too high. But damn, what a potential signing to bolster this defense.
I really hope the 4-3 will improve, and that it’s just the injuries/few missing pieces that have inspired this post.
I wanna stress this again, though: Earl Thomas at free safety.
He plays harder than any safety in the NORTH since Troy P. Of course, his asking price may be too high. But damn, what a potential signing to bolster this defense.
A 30 year old safety coming off of a major injury. Brilliant.
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Doomsday Defense
Purple People Eaters
Legion of Boom
Steel Curtain
2000 Ravens
What do they all have in common? They are the best Defenses in football history and they were all a 4-3 base Defense.
Don't forget one of the greatest of all time, '86 Bears.
DefenseFS Gary Fencik ⋅ WLB MLB SLB Wilber Marshall Mike Singletary Otis Wilson ⋅ ⋅ ⋅ SS Dave Duerson ⋅ CB Mike Richardson ⋅ DE DT DT DE Richard Dent William "Refrigerator" Perry Steve McMichael Dan Hampton ⋅ ⋅ ⋅ ⋅ CB Vestee Jackson Reggie Phillips Don't forget one of the greatest of all time, '86 Bears.
DefenseFS Gary Fencik ⋅ WLB MLB SLB Wilber Marshall Mike Singletary Otis Wilson ⋅ ⋅ ⋅ SS Dave Duerson ⋅ CB Mike Richardson ⋅ DE DT DT DE Richard Dent William "Refrigerator" Perry Steve McMichael Dan Hampton ⋅ ⋅ ⋅ ⋅ CB Vestee Jackson Reggie Phillips Can't talk about the most dominant Defense, the Bears' 46, without mentioning #46, Doug Plank (even tho Duerson was a much better SS) and showing the 46 alignment...
ravens were 3-4 tho right?
4-3 IIRC... Marvin Lewis, a 4-3 guy, was their DC. Ravens went 3-4 a couple years later when Lewis moved to Cinci and Nolan took the DC job in BLT.
But there are plenty of great 3-4 defenses to choose from including: Parcell's '80's Giants, Wade Phillips' 2015 Broncos, Bum's '80 Oilers.
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Worth noting Wade runs a near exclusive 1-gap philosophy that can look like a 43 odd front with a simple shift.
The differences between a 1gap, 2gap or blended gap "34" between each other might be greater than Wade Philips vs Gregg Williams save for the personnel and assignment at OLB.
Edit: the great Steelers defenses in the early to late 2000's were primarily 2 gap fronts IIRC.
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I really hope the 4-3 will improve, and that it’s just the injuries/few missing pieces that have inspired this post.
I wanna stress this again, though: Earl Thomas at free safety.
He plays harder than any safety in the NORTH since Troy P. Of course, his asking price may be too high. But damn, what a potential signing to bolster this defense.
A 30 year old safety coming off of a major injury. Brilliant.
A 30 year old safety coming off of a major injury. Brilliant.
I’d take said safety over what we have had here since 2000
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I’d take said safety over what we have had here since 2000
In his prime you'll find few people that loved Earls game more than myself. Especially since DB is home for me. But it's just not a good get at this point. Mileage, cost, health. If he wasn't hurt I might be all for it. I know the need for a ball hawk centerfielder and the pick we spent on Peppers and not Malik Hooker was near criminal. But all in all the return you'll get on the investment doesn't appear to be there.
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I’d take said safety over what we have had here since 2000
In his prime you'll find few people that loved Earls game more than myself. Especially since DB is home for me. But it's just not a good get at this point. Mileage, cost, health. If he wasn't hurt I might be all for it. I know the need for a ball hawk centerfielder and the pick we spent on Peppers and not Malik Hooker was near criminal. But all in all the return you'll get on the investment doesn't appear to be there.
If he wasn't hurt I might be all for it. I know the need for a ball hawk centerfielder and the pick we spent on Peppers and not Malik Hooker was near criminal. But all in all the return you'll get on the investment doesn't appear to be there.
I like Peppers as a good tackling SS.
Earl was making highlight shoestring INTs this year before he got hurt.
And at 30, he still plays hard. That’s how he broke his leg, flying across the field to break up a pass and kicked his leg full speed. (Coaches should have him tone it down)
He’s just one of those guys I wouldn’t wanna “sleep” on. At least test the waters on a 2 year deal or something.
I get the risk associated and all but he ain’t no slouch, and this defense needs someone like him.
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the year the ravens were one of the best defenses of all time im almost 100% positive they were a 3-4....isnt that in 01 when they won the SB?
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the year the ravens were one of the best defenses of all time im almost 100% positive they were a 3-4....isnt that in 01 when they won the SB?
the year the ravens were one of the best defenses of all time im almost 100% positive they were a 3-4....isnt that in 01 when they won the SB?
2000. And they were primarily a 4 man front. Adams, Siragusa, Mcrey and... can't remember the other end...
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whoch year am i tjinking of then when the had suggs and johnson as olb'ers? i thought that was the year they were one of the bestvever
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01 or 11
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whoch year am i tjinking of then when the had suggs and johnson as olb'ers? i thought that was the year they were one of the bestvever
whoch year am i tjinking of then when the had suggs and johnson as olb'ers? i thought that was the year they were one of the bestvever
2012
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ill be damned they really were a 4-3 in 01.
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the year the ravens were one of the best defenses of all time im almost 100% positive they were a 3-4....isnt that in 01 when they won the SB?
2000. And they were primarily a 4 man front. Adams, Siragusa, Mcrey and... can't remember the other end...
2000. And they were primarily a 4 man front. Adams, Siragusa, Mcrey and... can't remember the other end...
McCrary and (former Brown) Rob Burnett...
whoch year am i tjinking of then when the had suggs and johnson as olb'ers? i thought that was the year they were one of the bestvever
'06 was Suggs rookie year... and they were a great D, #1 overall points and yards, but still a 4-3 and no Johnson.
You may be thinking of '08 and/or '09.
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2000. And they were primarily a 4 man front. Adams, Siragusa, Mcrey and... can't remember the other end...
McCrary and (former Brown) Rob Burnett...
whoch year am i tjinking of then when the had suggs and johnson as olb'ers? i thought that was the year they were one of the bestvever
'06 was Suggs rookie year... and they were a great D, #1 overall points and yards, but still a 4-3 and no Johnson.
You may be thinking of '08 and/or '09.
McCrary and (former Brown) Rob Burnett...
'06 was Suggs rookie year... and they were a great D, #1 overall points and yards, but still a 4-3 and no Johnson.
You may be thinking of '08 and/or '09.
You're thinking of Ngata... suggs was on the team for a few years before that.
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You're thinking of Ngata... suggs was on the team for a few years before that.
yeah i thought suggs was on there prior to 06. Its still blowing me mind they were a 43 in their best years. I could have swore in the goose and adams years they were a 34. I mean if u basically have two monster 2 gappers like that, find a good 5 tech and run a 3-4. Myles can easily be ur hybrid u only drop in zone coverage and genard "could" be the other olb'er if he can cover.
The issue is, can either of those two guys tackle in space well enough? its a moot point tho since our DL is full of 1 gappers...
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You're thinking of Ngata... suggs was on the team for a few years before that.
yeah i thought suggs was on there prior to 06. Its still blowing me mind they were a 43 in their best years. I could have swore in the goose and adams years they were a 34. I mean if u basically have two monster 2 gappers like that, find a good 5 tech and run a 3-4. Myles can easily be ur hybrid u only drop in zone coverage and genard "could" be the other olb'er if he can cover.
The issue is, can either of those two guys tackle in space well enough? its a moot point tho since our DL is full of 1 gappers...
yeah i thought suggs was on there prior to 06. Its still blowing me mind they were a 43 in their best years. I could have swore in the goose and adams years they were a 34. I mean if u basically have two monster 2 gappers like that
I look at that Dline similar to what Minnesota was trying there for a while with the Williams boys in the middle, Jared Allen and Ray Edwards.
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