Josh Gordon Traded to Pats
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Because if it isn't, the fans who live in the past will start a new one every single Sunday, even if Gordon catches 1 pass for 5 yards.
Pretty unfair assessment. If in fact he were ongoing only catching a pass or 2 a week most of us wouldnt give a flying F. He is progressively being incorporated into their offense as what he is, a dominant number 1. Debate that all you like but it is a fact. It would also likely be less of a topic if our receivers corp were a bit more talented that our local high school team.
Pretty unfair assessment. If in fact he were ongoing only catching a pass or 2 a week most of us wouldnt give a flying F. He is progressively being incorporated into their offense as what he is, a dominant number 1. Debate that all you like but it is a fact. It would also likely be less of a topic if our receivers corp were a bit more talented that our local high school team.
No it is not a fact it’s just your fantasy
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No... but others also might have offered a 5th... but not the 7th NE did for our conditional 7th.
I don't even buy that. Maybe New England 5th rounder and the Chiefs 5th rounder they viewed as equals but if you mean to tell me that you think if New England offered a fifth and Oakland offered a fifth or Tampa Bay or San Francisco insert your choice there is no way that John Dorsey isn't taking the pic of one of the teams projected to finish at the bottom of the league just to appease Josh Gordon.
I don't even buy that. Maybe New England 5th rounder and the Chiefs 5th rounder they viewed as equals but if you mean to tell me that you think if New England offered a fifth and Oakland offered a fifth or Tampa Bay or San Francisco insert your choice there is no way that John Dorsey isn't taking the pic of one of the teams projected to finish at the bottom of the league just to appease Josh Gordon.
A 7th, even a late one, more than covers the difference between an early and late 5th.... so there's that.
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A lot of air time given here to a player.. Who was never really here.. I mean yeah.. sometime the lights were on.. But no one was really home.. Hell. I was one of his ardent defenders... I don't blame Tom Heckert for taking a shot on him.... Tom Heckert had his demons.. But the guy was decent at eying talent.. RIP ...
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That seems to be what some are suggesting.
Edit they seem to think that Dorsey took a lesser deal to put josh in the right position or best position for him to succeed
No GM worthy of the name is going to take a lesser deal in the hopes the guy they're trading is going to "a better situation".
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RE: some of the deleted Ghoolie stuff Guys.
#1A regarding me personally- I have a BS in Science- Medical Technology (retired). People's lives depended on me making accurate observations. Or you want me giving A positive blood to an O negative patient, or adding an extra zero to a 60 blood sugar making it a 600, and a couple people dying because I screwed up? I like to think I'm pretty good at making objective observations.
Aw, gee whiz- one of the other Mods deleted some stuff. So guys- here's the hoorta's rebuttal, as best I can remember, I about 1\2 read the post before more important personal stuff interfered. I thought about taking it to PM, but I want the rest of you guys- and Ghoolie to know how the world works.
#1 Friendship has nothing to do with it.
#2 Ghoolie, you have a skewed view of reality- more on that later.
#3 Stan deputized Zombo, me and Mark to keep the peace around here. You have a problem with that? It's why you're getting time outs for violating that concept. It's apparently foreign to you. It's been posted numerous times why you're getting kicked off.
#4 This Board is not your personal toilet to take a dump on whenever the hell you feel like it. The purpose of the Board is not for your personal amusement- to get people pissed off. That is considered trolling\ flamebaiting- and it's not going to be tolerated. I copied your exit post from B-H just to show guys that hmmm.... read on...
#5 So all Browns fans are jackoffs? Well the classic schoolyard reply is "takes one to know one". Guess you're not really one- troll. In fact, you personally insulted everyone over there, and by extension everyone here. I happen to be "the keeper of the peace", and I don't particularly like it because I'm a Browns fan being called a jackoff, GOT IT? PROBABLY NOT. I have 1\2 a mind to kick you off- because even though it wasn't on this board- it shows you're not interested in discussion-you're more interested in flamebaiting, trolling, and drawing attention to yourself.
Maybe you're in denial and you don't realize- to your discredit- Head Honcho Stan had to autocorrect a bunch of swear words- because Mr. Potty Mouth- that's because YOU azzhole- it had to be done. It's too bad as a Mod, I have to take the high road- or else, I'd I'd unleash a string of profanity against your BS that would make a drunk sailor blush.
I'm tired of your crap, flamebaiting, and excuses- apparently Mark and Z are too. It's not fun and games here Tom. Talk football in a civil manner- or get the f**ing hell out of here- like you promised- wimp-
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I don't even buy that. Maybe New England 5th rounder and the Chiefs 5th rounder they viewed as equals but if you mean to tell me that you think if New England offered a fifth and Oakland offered a fifth or Tampa Bay or San Francisco insert your choice there is no way that John Dorsey isn't taking the pic of one of the teams projected to finish at the bottom of the league just to appease Josh Gordon.
A 7th, even a late one, more than covers the difference between an early and late 5th.... so there's that.
A 7th, even a late one, more than covers the difference between an early and late 5th.... so there's that.
In that same thing a late 7th covers the difference between a mid 3rd and a early 5th. What's the point? Is it is to say that they don't care whether it was a late or early 5th because a 7th rounder covers the difference because if it is then that means you'd you be willing to suggest that they wouldn't care whether it were a early 5th or mid-round third also because the difference between pick 129 and pick 77 is 39.8 which is the value of pick 224. If you think that John Dorsey would turn down a mid 3rd round pick for a early 5th because it's the same value as the last pick in the draft then we have the wrong GM
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Agreed.
This new culture won't rely upon wishing & hoping....It's a culture of action & what action has JG shown?...Do it or bye-bye. I applaud them.
Mike
But Dorsey and Hue have been hoodwinked by him over and over. That is the bigger story. We all knew Gordon is garbage.
But Dorsey and Hue have been hoodwinked by him over and over. That is the bigger story. We all knew Gordon is garbage.
Read all of these posts on page 3 and 4 in this topic when people were in Gordon's Corner and then read the more recent posts by "Ghoolie" since Gordon is no longer on the Browns and people aren't in his corner. I pulled just one where he said Gordon is garbage but he'll claim he was right no matter what happens with Josh Gordon. This post was when he said he knew from someone high up that he came in drunk and high and it'll come out in the media, which it never did, the Browns were stupid for not cutting him sooner. Now that he's playing somewhat decent the Browns are idiots for letting him go. The dude is nothing but a troll flame baiting douche nozzle. The sooner this board is rid of the "faux browns" hating troll the better off it will be. If he were really a friend of Stan he would just get off the board because his alter ego split personality/psychological problems is driving people away.
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there are enough quality posters/people here with differing opinions/view points that can stimulate good discussion without the troll riling people up. The sad thing is because of the mental hurdles he jumps through I truly believe that he thinks that he's the livelihood of this board.
Edit Sorry Zombo Mark hoorta I know one if not all of you guys are deleting his posts so i won't address or talk about him anymore as that's what he wants.
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RE: some of the deleted Ghoolie stuff Guys.
#1A regarding me personally- I have a BS in Science- Medical Technology (retired). People's lives depended on me making accurate observations. Or you want me giving A positive blood to an O negative patient, or adding an extra zero to a 60 blood sugar making it a 600, and a couple people dying because I screwed up? I like to think I'm pretty good at making objective observations.
Aw, gee whiz- one of the other Mods deleted some stuff. So guys- here's the hoorta's rebuttal, as best I can remember, I about 1\2 read the post before more important personal stuff interfered. I thought about taking it to PM, but I want the rest of you guys- and Ghoolie to know how the world works.
#1 Friendship has nothing to do with it.
#2 Ghoolie, you have a skewed view of reality- more on that later.
#3 Stan deputized Zombo, me and Mark to keep the peace around here. You have a problem with that? It's why you're getting time outs for violating that concept. It's apparently foreign to you. It's been posted numerous times why you're getting kicked off.
#4 This Board is not your personal toilet to take a dump on whenever the hell you feel like it. The purpose of the Board is not for your personal amusement- to get people pissed off. That is considered trolling\ flamebaiting- and it's not going to be tolerated. I copied your exit post from B-H just to show guys that hmmm.... read on...
#5 So all Browns fans are jackoffs? Well the classic schoolyard reply is "takes one to know one". Guess you're not really one- troll. In fact, you personally insulted everyone over there, and by extension everyone here. I happen to be "the keeper of the peace", and I don't particularly like it because I'm a Browns fan being called a jackoff, GOT IT? PROBABLY NOT. I have 1\2 a mind to kick you off- because even though it wasn't on this board- it shows you're not interested in discussion-you're more interested in flamebaiting, trolling, and drawing attention to yourself.
Maybe you're in denial and you don't realize- to your discredit- Head Honcho Stan had to autocorrect a bunch of swear words- because Mr. Potty Mouth- that's because YOU azzhole- it had to be done. It's too bad as a Mod, I have to take the high road- or else, I'd I'd unleash a string of profanity against your BS that would make a drunk sailor blush.
I'm tired of your crap, flamebaiting, and excuses- apparently Mark and Z are too. It's not fun and games here Tom. Talk football in a civil manner- or get the f**ing hell out of here- like you promised- wimp-
RE: some of the deleted Ghoolie stuff Guys.
#1A regarding me personally- I have a BS in Science- Medical Technology (retired). People's lives depended on me making accurate observations. Or you want me giving A positive blood to an O negative patient, or adding an extra zero to a 60 blood sugar making it a 600, and a couple people dying because I screwed up? I like to think I'm pretty good at making objective observations.
Aw, gee whiz- one of the other Mods deleted some stuff. So guys- here's the hoorta's rebuttal, as best I can remember, I about 1\2 read the post before more important personal stuff interfered. I thought about taking it to PM, but I want the rest of you guys- and Ghoolie to know how the world works.
#1 Friendship has nothing to do with it.
#2 Ghoolie, you have a skewed view of reality- more on that later.
#3 Stan deputized Zombo, me and Mark to keep the peace around here. You have a problem with that? It's why you're getting time outs for violating that concept. It's apparently foreign to you. It's been posted numerous times why you're getting kicked off.
#4 This Board is not your personal toilet to take a dump on whenever the hell you feel like it. The purpose of the Board is not for your personal amusement- to get people pissed off. That is considered trolling\ flamebaiting- and it's not going to be tolerated. I copied your exit post from B-H just to show guys that hmmm.... read on...
#5 So all Browns fans are jackoffs? Well the classic schoolyard reply is "takes one to know one". Guess you're not really one- troll. In fact, you personally insulted everyone over there, and by extension everyone here. I happen to be "the keeper of the peace", and I don't particularly like it because I'm a Browns fan being called a jackoff, GOT IT? PROBABLY NOT. I have 1\2 a mind to kick you off- because it even though it wasn't on this board- it shows you're not interested in discussion-you're more interested in flamebaiting, trolling, and drawing attention to yourself.
Maybe you're in denial and you don't realize- to your discredit- Head Honcho Stan had to autocorrect a bunch of swear words- because Mr. Potty Mouth- that's because YOU azzhole- it had to be done. It's too bad as a Mod, I have to take the high road- or else, I'd I'd unleash a string of profanity against your BS that would make a drunk sailor blush.
I'm tired of your crap, flamebaiting, and excuses- apparently Mark and Z are too. It's not fun and games here Tom. Talk football in a civil manner- or get the f**ing hell out of here- like you promised- wimp-
See that is where it riles me up, and actually think that at times he actually does believe his own crap and not just trolling.
Just because you are good at making accurate observations in one area doesnt mean you can for everything. I know a lot of football, you have to coaching, and a lot of different philosophies, and a fair amount with health/physical activities because of that. But that doesn't mean I can make an accurate observation on soccer, cricket, swimming. And those are in the same "field", not water to sports lol
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That seems to be what some are suggesting.
Edit they seem to think that Dorsey took a lesser deal to put josh in the right position or best position for him to succeed
I was making a simple suggestion because I always felt JG was worth a hell of a lot more than a 5th, especially considering he was on his last straw.
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The purpose of the Board is not for your personal amusement- to get people pissed off. That is considered trolling\ flamebaiting- and it's not going to be tolerated.
I hope this rule does not apply to pissing off/trolling/flamebaiting Steeler trolls. Say it ain't so, Joe.
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That seems to be what some are suggesting.
Edit they seem to think that Dorsey took a lesser deal to put josh in the right position or best position for him to succeed
I was making a simple suggestion because I always felt JG was worth a hell of a lot more than a 5th, especially considering he was on his last straw.
I was making a simple suggestion because I always felt JG was worth a hell of a lot more than a 5th, especially considering he was on his last straw.
But I think the consensus likely around the NFL among GMs is that you were wrong....that he was NOT worth a hell of a lot more than a 5th rounder.
Maybe his former potential would have had him there.....his 5 years ago persona, but not now. And certainly not with the risk of having him make one mistake that would get him suspended again...perhaps forever.
(I will say this however: I think the league will be easing up greatly on the marijuana suspensions. And they may in fact be even now letting the likes of Gordon slide on this. I predict that in a couple of years, after the new CBA, that the league will agree to not even test for weed.)
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I was making a simple suggestion because I always felt JG was worth a hell of a lot more than a 5th, especially considering he was on his last straw.
But I think the consensus likely around the NFL among GMs is that you were wrong....that he was NOT worth a hell of a lot more than a 5th rounder.
Maybe his former potential would have had him there.....his 5 years ago persona, but not now. And certainly not with the risk of having him make one mistake that would get him suspended again...perhaps forever.
(I will say this however: I think the league will be easing up greatly on the marijuana suspensions. And they may in fact be even now letting the likes of Gordon slide on this. I predict that in a couple of years, after the new CBA, that the league will agree to not even test for weed.)
(I will say this however: I think the league will be easing up greatly on the marijuana suspensions. And they may in fact be even now letting the likes of Gordon slide on this. I predict that in a couple of years, after the new CBA, that the league will agree to not even test for weed.)
Oh the NFL will be going easier on Gordon for sure now that he is with NE. Playoff team, Tom Brady. You think they are going to take away anything from the Pats in on one of Tom’s last remaining years?
The more I think about how much of a piece of crap Gordon is for pulling the stunt he pulled after all the times the Browns stuck with him, and how much they could use a WR just like him right now for a rookie QB the more I hope he rips the living crap out of his ACL and is out of the league.
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(I will say this however: I think the league will be easing up greatly on the marijuana suspensions. And they may in fact be even now letting the likes of Gordon slide on this. I predict that in a couple of years, after the new CBA, that the league will agree to not even test for weed.)
Oh the NFL will be going easier on Gordon for sure now that he is with NE. Playoff team, Tom Brady. You think they are going to take away anything from the Pats in on one of Tom’s last remaining years?
The more I think about how much of a piece of crap Gordon is for pulling the stunt he pulled after all the times the Browns stuck with him, and how much they could use a WR just like him right now for a rookie QB the more I hope he rips the living crap out of his ACL and is out of the league.
Oh the NFL will be going easier on Gordon for sure now that he is with NE. Playoff team, Tom Brady. You think they are going to take away anything from the Pats in on one of Tom’s last remaining years?
The more I think about how much of a piece of crap Gordon is for pulling the stunt he pulled after all the times the Browns stuck with him, and how much they could use a WR just like him right now for a rookie QB the more I hope he rips the living crap out of his ACL and is out of the league.
Interesting theory....that they would favor the Pats like that. Considering Spygate/Deflategate. Nothing could ever be proven that they would favor the Pats.
But....factually what could be known....though it is not supposed to be revealed....is what the league is doing to test him now. Is he still taking weekly piss tests....or are they even bothering?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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I find it hilarious that Gordon will line up this week against now in Tenn. *Malcolm Butler*...Most will remember, Belicheck refused to play Butler in the SB that cost his own teammates a better chance to win. Bill today still won't clear up what Butler did against Pats team Rules..Wonder what Bill does this time when Gordon slips up come Dec? Gordon will be able to hit free agency at seasons end..Good Luck with that Market Value price ?
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Flash had a great game last week 130 and a TD but I am not sad he is out of the Land. I do wonder why they would let him go for a crap draft pick when we are thin at the wr position, we lack play makers, we lack speed we lack Hands you name it we don't have it. Jarvis always has catches but for what yards? 3 or 4 yards per catch? Coleman and Gordon both gone where we were counting on both to be there for us, Back in July looking in we were thinking, Gordon, Coleman and Jarvis in the slot...…………..Higgins is average at best but since his injury...….
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I was making a simple suggestion because I always felt JG was worth a hell of a lot more than a 5th, especially considering he was on his last straw.
But I think the consensus likely around the NFL among GMs is that you were wrong....that he was NOT worth a hell of a lot more than a 5th rounder.
Maybe his former potential would have had him there.....his 5 years ago persona, but not now. And certainly not with the risk of having him make one mistake that would get him suspended again...perhaps forever.
(I will say this however: I think the league will be easing up greatly on the marijuana suspensions. And they may in fact be even now letting the likes of Gordon slide on this. I predict that in a couple of years, after the new CBA, that the league will agree to not even test for weed.)
But I think the consensus likely around the NFL among GMs is that you were wrong....that he was NOT worth a hell of a lot more than a 5th rounder.
Maybe his former potential would have had him there.....
(I will say this however: I think the league will be easing up greatly on the marijuana suspensions. And they may in fact be even now letting the likes of Gordon slide on this. I predict that in a couple of years, after the new CBA, that the league will agree to not even test for weed.)
You are probably right , however, I don’t think that reason is because of his talent. I think it’s because of his off the field issues.
He is only 27 years old. AB? Julio? Doug Baldwin? Dez? They’re all 29-30.
Y’all can say “Brady makes him look good” all you want. The fact of the matter is he will continue to get better and that is ok with me, JG and Cleveland we’re not a good match.
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But I think the consensus likely around the NFL among GMs is that you were wrong....that he was NOT worth a hell of a lot more than a 5th rounder.
Maybe his former potential would have had him there.....
(I will say this however: I think the league will be easing up greatly on the marijuana suspensions. And they may in fact be even now letting the likes of Gordon slide on this. I predict that in a couple of years, after the new CBA, that the league will agree to not even test for weed.)
You are probably right , however, I don’t think that reason is because of his talent. I think it’s because of his off the field issues.
He is only 27 years old. AB? Julio? Doug Baldwin? Dez? They’re all 29-30.
Y’all can say “Brady makes him look good” all you want. The fact of the matter is he will continue to get better and that is ok with me, JG and Cleveland we’re not a good match.
You are probably right , however, I don’t think that reason is because of his talent. I think it’s because of his off the field issues.
He is only 27 years old. AB? Julio? Doug Baldwin? Dez? They’re all 29-30.
Y’all can say “Brady makes him look good” all you want. The fact of the matter is he will continue to get better and that is ok with me, JG and Cleveland we’re not a good match.
Or maybe you’re just a Wishin and a hoping that he will get better but that doesn’t mean he really will.
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