Josh Gordon Traded to Pats
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Does this thread have more pages than games Gordon was actually eligible to play in for the Browns yet?
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Prepare for disappointment
Will you be dissapointed if he continues to do well?
Will you be dissapointed if he continues to do well?
No but I prefer that the patriots not do that well. I am sick of them
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You can change your argument if you like, but that does not mean I have to chase it.
I'm not changing my argument. I'm asking you what your point was to the fact that I stated that John Dorsey wasn't going to trade Josh Gordon for a late 5th if he could have an early 5th. And if your point was that the value difference isn't that great so it doesn't really matter then I would like to point out that the value difference between the first pick of the fifth and the 16th pick of the Third is only separated by value of the very last pick in the draft so to me if that was your point then it is not a good point because you would then be stating that he would also pass up a mid third round pick for a 5th rounder just to suit Josh and put him in a better situation.
I'm not changing my argument.
If you think that John Dorsey would turn down a mid 3rd round pick for a early 5th because it's the same value as the last pick in the draft then we have the wrong GM
... if you mean to tell me that you think if New England offered a fifth and Oakland offered a fifth or Tampa Bay or San Francisco insert your choice there is no way that John Dorsey isn't taking the pic of one of the teams projected to finish at the bottom of the league just to appease Josh Gordon.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I'm not changing my argument.
If you think that John Dorsey would turn down a mid 3rd round pick for a early 5th because it's the same value as the last pick in the draft then we have the wrong GM
... if you mean to tell me that you think if New England offered a fifth and Oakland offered a fifth or Tampa Bay or San Francisco insert your choice there is no way that John Dorsey isn't taking the pic of one of the teams projected to finish at the bottom of the league just to appease Josh Gordon.
Because you implied by your post that Dorsey would trade Josh to New England to put him in a better situation rather than trade him to Oakland because the value in between the two pics was less than that of a late 7th rounder. So I used your logic and your values to show you that even the first pick of the 5th round and the 14th pic of the third round had equal value to the last pick in the NFL draft. So according to your logic that there's less than a 7th round pick in value between a late 5th and early 5th the same can be said for anything after the 14th pick of the third round and an early 5th. So by your logic he wouldn't care to take a mid third-rounder or early fifth as long as Josh Gordon got put in a better situation. That is not changing an argument that is debating your argument.
Saying that your logic of well the difference between the pics is less than a late 7th rounder so it wouldn't matter to him whether it were late 5th or early 5th is flawed.
Go ahead and show my two posts where I gave two different scenarios and say that I'm changing my argument but also show your post where you said that you could see him trading Josh to a better situation because the value in between the first pick and the last pick of the 5th round is less than that of a late 7th rounder. Which is where my second scenario came from. Funny how you left that part out of my second post. I know you can see the point i was making because I know you're an intelligent guy but you don't like the fact that I used your own argument against you.
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Looks like Brady’s road playoff performances have crept into the regular season...
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Looks like Brady’s road playoff performances have crept into the regular season...
Looks like Brady’s road playoff performances have crept into the regular season...
Pats got Vrabeled... saw that one coming. Should they meet again in the playoffs, the results will likely be quite different.
Because you implied by your post that Dorsey would trade Josh to New England to put him in a better situation rather than trade him to Oakland because the value in between the two pics was less than that of a late 7th rounder. So I used your logic and your values to show you that even the first pick of the 5th round and the 14th pic of the third round had equal value to the last pick in the NFL draft. So according to your logic that there's less than a 7th round pick in value between a late 5th and early 5th the same can be said for anything after the 14th pick of the third round and an early 5th. So by your logic he wouldn't care to take a mid third-rounder or early fifth as long as Josh Gordon got put in a better situation. That is not changing an argument that is debating your argument.
Saying that your logic of well the difference between the pics is less than a late 7th rounder so it wouldn't matter to him whether it were late 5th or early 5th is flawed.
You ignored part of the deal that more than equalizes picks spanning the 5th round.
I pointed that out.
Now I'm out...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Looks like Brady’s road playoff performances have crept into the regular season...
Pats got Vrabeled... saw that one coming. Should they meet again in the playoffs, the results will likely be quite different.
Because you implied by your post that Dorsey would trade Josh to New England to put him in a better situation rather than trade him to Oakland because the value in between the two pics was less than that of a late 7th rounder. So I used your logic and your values to show you that even the first pick of the 5th round and the 14th pic of the third round had equal value to the last pick in the NFL draft. So according to your logic that there's less than a 7th round pick in value between a late 5th and early 5th the same can be said for anything after the 14th pick of the third round and an early 5th. So by your logic he wouldn't care to take a mid third-rounder or early fifth as long as Josh Gordon got put in a better situation. That is not changing an argument that is debating your argument.
Saying that your logic of well the difference between the pics is less than a late 7th rounder so it wouldn't matter to him whether it were late 5th or early 5th is flawed.
You ignored part of the deal that more than equalizes picks spanning the 5th round.
I pointed that out.
Now I'm out...
Pats got Vrabeled... saw that one coming. Should they meet again in the playoffs, the results will likely be quite different.
You ignored part of the deal that more than equalizes picks spanning the 5th round.
I pointed that out.
Now I'm out...
We gave them a conditional 7th they didn't give us a 7th unless im missing something. So how does that equalize the picks spanning the 5th round?
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Pats offer was the best available.. precisely what is the source of assertion that a better offer was on the table? Of course other teams talked with Dorsey.. but nobody beat Belichick's cold hard cash.
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Looks like Brady’s road playoff performances have crept into the regular season...
Pats got Vrabeled... saw that one coming. Should they meet again in the playoffs, the results will likely be quite different.
Because you implied by your post that Dorsey would trade Josh to New England to put him in a better situation rather than trade him to Oakland because the value in between the two pics was less than that of a late 7th rounder. So I used your logic and your values to show you that even the first pick of the 5th round and the 14th pic of the third round had equal value to the last pick in the NFL draft. So according to your logic that there's less than a 7th round pick in value between a late 5th and early 5th the same can be said for anything after the 14th pick of the third round and an early 5th. So by your logic he wouldn't care to take a mid third-rounder or early fifth as long as Josh Gordon got put in a better situation. That is not changing an argument that is debating your argument.
Saying that your logic of well the difference between the pics is less than a late 7th rounder so it wouldn't matter to him whether it were late 5th or early 5th is flawed.
You ignored part of the deal that more than equalizes picks spanning the 5th round.
I pointed that out.
Now I'm out...
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That seems to be what some are suggesting.
That's what I believe but no one will ever know. I believe the 2 strikes he already has against him. The amount of time he's missed and that he's one mistake away from a lifetime ban makes him a HUGE risk for any team to trade much of anything for him, regardless of the amount of talent, even talent that hasn't been on display since 2013.
That's what I believe but no one will ever know.
People also believe "Deflategate" was actually a thing when the following week the Vikings were putting balls in microwaves on live TV the week their dome fell and they played at UW stadium. News flash: Carnegie Mellon showed the difference was within the natural variance PURELY due to temperature.
You're welcome to your own emotions, you're not welcome to your own facts.
Unless and until you show proof of another offer.... it didn't exist, period. I've shown my proof --- either show your proof or be an adult, buck up, and drop your assumption that anyone else offered more for Gordon.
I'm so damn tired of this nonsense... it's binary: Either the offer existed or it didn't. One of the two is true.
Put up or shut up.
"When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." Paul Brown -
That's what I believe but no one will ever know.
People also believe "Deflategate" was actually a thing when the following week the Vikings were putting balls in microwaves on live TV the week their dome fell and they played at UW stadium. News flash: Carnegie Mellon showed the difference was within the natural variance PURELY due to temperature.
You're welcome to your own emotions, you're not welcome to your own facts.
Unless and until you show proof of another offer.... it didn't exist, period. I've shown my proof --- either show your proof or be an adult, buck up, and drop your assumption that anyone else offered more for Gordon.
I'm so damn tired of this nonsense... it's binary: Either the offer existed or it didn't. One of the two is true.
Put up or shut up.
People also believe "Deflategate" was actually a thing when the following week the Vikings were putting balls in microwaves on live TV the week their dome fell and they played at UW stadium. News flash: Carnegie Mellon showed the difference was within the natural variance PURELY due to temperature.
You're welcome to your own emotions, you're not welcome to your own facts.
Unless and until you show proof of another offer.... it didn't exist, period. I've shown my proof --- either show your proof or be an adult and change your assumption.
I agree with you. I don't think there was a better offer.
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People also believe "Deflategate" was actually a thing when the following week the Vikings were putting balls in microwaves on live TV the week their dome fell and they played at UW stadium. News flash: Carnegie Mellon showed the difference was within the natural variance PURELY due to temperature.
You're welcome to your own emotions, you're not welcome to your own facts.
Unless and until you show proof of another offer.... it didn't exist, period. I've shown my proof --- either show your proof or be an adult and change your assumption.
I agree with you. I don't think there was a better offer.
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That's what I believe but no one will ever know.
People also believe "Deflategate" was actually a thing when the following week the Vikings were putting balls in microwaves on live TV the week their dome fell and they played at UW stadium. News flash: Carnegie Mellon showed the difference was within the natural variance PURELY due to temperature.
You're welcome to your own emotions, you're not welcome to your own facts.
Unless and until you show proof of another offer.... it didn't exist, period. I've shown my proof --- either show your proof or be an adult, buck up, and drop your assumption that anyone else offered more for Gordon.
I'm so damn tired of this nonsense... it's binary: Either the offer existed or it didn't. One of the two is true.
Put up or shut up.
People also believe "Deflategate" was actually a thing when the following week the Vikings were putting balls in microwaves on live TV the week their dome fell and they played at UW stadium. News flash: Carnegie Mellon showed the difference was within the natural variance PURELY due to temperature.
You're welcome to your own emotions, you're not welcome to your own facts.
Unless and until you show proof of another offer.... it didn't exist, period. I've shown my proof --- either show your proof or be an adult, buck up, and drop your assumption that anyone else offered more for Gordon.
I'm so damn tired of this nonsense... it's binary: Either the offer existed or it didn't. One of the two is true.
Put up or shut up.
There's no way there was a better offer. If there were John Dorsey would have taken it. He doesn't care enough about Josh Gordon to take a lesser offer just so that puffy's in a better situation.
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Looks like Brady’s road playoff performances have crept into the regular season...
Pats got Vrabeled... saw that one coming. Should they meet again in the playoffs, the results will likely be quite different.
Because you implied by your post that Dorsey would trade Josh to New England to put him in a better situation rather than trade him to Oakland because the value in between the two pics was less than that of a late 7th rounder. So I used your logic and your values to show you that even the first pick of the 5th round and the 14th pic of the third round had equal value to the last pick in the NFL draft. So according to your logic that there's less than a 7th round pick in value between a late 5th and early 5th the same can be said for anything after the 14th pick of the third round and an early 5th. So by your logic he wouldn't care to take a mid third-rounder or early fifth as long as Josh Gordon got put in a better situation. That is not changing an argument that is debating your argument.
Saying that your logic of well the difference between the pics is less than a late 7th rounder so it wouldn't matter to him whether it were late 5th or early 5th is flawed.
You ignored part of the deal that more than equalizes picks spanning the 5th round.
I pointed that out.
Now I'm out...
Pats got Vrabeled... saw that one coming. Should they meet again in the playoffs, the results will likely be quite different.
You ignored part of the deal that more than equalizes picks spanning the 5th round.
I pointed that out.
Now I'm out...
By the way if the Patriots had given us a 5th round and a 7th round pick that again would be the best deal over just a fifth-round from the Raiders for example.
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Pats got Vrabeled... saw that one coming. Should they meet again in the playoffs, the results will likely be quite different.
You ignored part of the deal that more than equalizes picks spanning the 5th round.
I pointed that out.
Now I'm out...
By the way if the Patriots had given us a 5th round and a 7th round pick that again would be the best deal over just a fifth-round from the Raiders for example.
By the way if the Patriots had given us a 5th round and a 7th round pick that again would be the best deal over just a fifth-round from the Raiders for example.
Still creating arguments?
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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