Franken
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Again your oversimplification of a situation is your arguments...
YES Saddam Wanted Nuclear options... So did Libya and most other countries worried about keeping soveriegn integrity...... Yes he definately would have pursued Nukes... Just Like Iran is...... or North korea...... Or Pakistan DID or India DID WITHOUT OUR BLESSING.....
Yes Saddam WAS a check on Iranian influence....WHY? Because he was a SUNNI that brutally was in charge of a military that already beat down the Iranians once... Iran is SHIA dominated so regardless of what state Iraq was in.. it still was a definate check against the Iranians......
To get back to the original argument of this thread.... BOTH parties are crooked and will employ any means necessary... Do I think Franken won legitimately? About as legitimate as any of these close contested races are.
Again I think it definately gives the Dems an edge policy wise but... there are moderate democrats who are almost the same as moderate republicans = Republicrats which means a fight on major policy shifts like Health care.
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Palin is brilliant compared to Franken.
Say, where DID that experience is required thing by liberals go?
Franken-Stein has NO experience.
Rules changsies again? and again? and again?
Yep.
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really mz the pussy.... you think the MILLIONS of dollars that it takes to get elected to the Millionaires club... I mean the Senate and the Lobbyists who fund those campaigns play fair?
There are good people on both sides, thats not the problem by any measure. The "system" of who and what choices are given to the people in the first place are. Franken.... seriously? what track history of success in governing does he really bring to the table? Or any sort of track history in leadership or expertise in subject matter?
Truthfully Cal has SOME merit here... Franken was the "best" democratic candidate for a Senate seat?
The "Disputed" numbers of what vote gets counted and those that dont are discretionary and were challenged back and forth and I find the truth probably lies in the middle.
Like Bush vs Gore a Supreme court had to step in and decide because both sides "claim" numbers and votes/disputes.... Where is the real truth? I just find it all shades of grey.
Yes I see ideology differences between parties.. but the almighty BINDING agent which makes the act in concert is MONEY. Inflluence and quid pro quo does not distinguish between ideology and party leadership. Both sides need it and draw from virtually the same pool, their maybe suble lobbying diffences but all parties pushing money all operate the same way on making sure "their" party wins in the money investment/influence game. EVERYONE plays hardball.
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But only the LEFT plays the game with the politics of personal destruction of "opponents",
including their spouses and children.
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This whole ordeal has gotten ugly and i dont think we have seen the last of it.
Personally I was pissed that Coleman pulled out without a fight. Who knows maybe his wallet was running thin due to the fact that Franken (stewart) was able to get the rules of the game changed during the course of the game.
Lets use the same scenario in a football game, lets say that one team say Pittspuke is allowed to use 12 men on offense while playing the Browns, wouldn't you cry foul play?
This is not like a hanging chad thing, this is nothing more than a rip off of an election.
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Again your oversimplification of a situation is your arguments...
YES Saddam Wanted Nuclear options... So did Libya and most other countries worried about keeping soveriegn integrity...... Yes he definately would have pursued Nukes... Just Like Iran is...... or North korea...... Or Pakistan DID or India DID WITHOUT OUR BLESSING.....
Yes Saddam WAS a check on Iranian influence....WHY? Because he was a SUNNI that brutally was in charge of a military that already beat down the Iranians once... Iran is SHIA dominated so regardless of what state Iraq was in.. it still was a definate check against the Iranians......
To get back to the original argument of this thread.... BOTH parties are crooked and will employ any means necessary... Do I think Franken won legitimately? About as legitimate as any of these close contested races are.
Again I think it definately gives the Dems an edge policy wise but... there are moderate democrats who are almost the same as moderate republicans = Republicrats which means a fight on major policy shifts like Health care.
Again your oversimplification of a situation is your arguments...
It's accurate and you overlook the reality.
YES Saddam Wanted Nuclear options... So did Libya and most other countries worried about keeping soveriegn integrity...... Yes he definately would have pursued Nukes... Just Like Iran is...... or North korea...... Or Pakistan DID or India DID WITHOUT OUR BLESSING.....
What you're missing (possibly due to your inflated ego) is that Saddam had a tacit fellowship with te US that worked to his advantage as long as he played ball.
Which is why his new allies the French tried so hard to protect him.
Like the Saudi royals. It isn't religion, it's oersonal power.
Had the US not done the UN bidding in destert storm there would still be an arrangement.
A nuclear Iraq is not as big a threat if they're NOT our sworn enemies.
Use that "realism" you boast about.
Yes Saddam WAS a check on Iranian influence....WHY? Because he was a SUNNI that brutally was in charge of a military that already beat down the Iranians once... Iran is SHIA dominated so regardless of what state Iraq was in.. it still was a definate check against the Iranians......
See above.
To get back to the original argument of this thread.... BOTH parties are crooked and will employ any means necessary... Do I think Franken won legitimately? About as legitimate as any of these close contested races are.
Again I think it definately gives the Dems an edge policy wise but... there are moderate democrats who are almost the same as moderate republicans = Republicrats which means a fight on major policy shifts like Health care.
Again the charges on the Franken side are miscounted and bogus ballots that turned up magically, in some areas outnumbering the voters.
And filtered through the fact that 2 to 1 election "workers" were dems.
On the Bush side it's bullshit like having de Po lice at polling areas to scare off voters and arranging the ballot so that stupid dems mistakenly voted for Buchanan.
WSS
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This whole ordeal has gotten ugly and i dont think we have seen the last of it.
Personally I was pissed that Coleman pulled out without a fight. Who knows maybe his wallet was running thin due to the fact that Franken (stewart) was able to get the rules of the game changed during the course of the game.
Lets use the same scenario in a football game, lets say that one team say Pittspuke is allowed to use 12 men on offense while playing the Browns, wouldn't you cry foul play?
This is not like a hanging chad thing, this is nothing more than a rip off of an election.
This is not like a hanging chad thing, this is nothing more than a rip off of an election.
so, stealing a senate seat is not quite like stealing the presidency?
consider that opinions of the matter differ depending on where you stand....
were you sreaming bloody murder when Jeb's state gave your man another 4 years?
none of this means the shenanigans that occur are right, but everyone does it......to sit looking down from your soap box like your hands are clean is rather amusing to me.
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bs, Choco.
Bush won Florida every recount. Gore tried and tried, but couldn't do it, even to the point
of trying to deny overseas veterans in our military their votes, since most of them would have
been Bush votes.
Gore was unsuccessful in stealing the election in the courts.
Franken WAS successful, because Minn. is a goofball, liberal state.
Florida is not.
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bs, Choco.
Bush won Florida every recount. Gore tried and tried, but couldn't do it, even to the point
of trying to deny overseas veterans in our military their votes, since most of them would have
been Bush votes.
Gore was unsuccessful in stealing the election in the courts.
Franken WAS successful, because Minn. is a goofball, liberal state.
Florida is not.
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Why is that woman holding you up by the tail, mz the pussy?
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But, Minnesota, before the last election (I forget who Minn. went for), had not gone for a
Republican since Nixon, in the 60's.
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Seeing Franken on Capital Hill was hilarious. Kind of like having a numskull like mz the pussy elected to public office. God help us all, the Christians anyway.
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Why is that woman holding you up by the tail, mz the pussy?
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But, Minnesota, before the last election (I forget who Minn. went for), had not gone for a
Republican since Nixon, in the 60's.
Why is that woman holding you up by the tail, mz the pussy?
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But, Minnesota, before the last election (I forget who Minn. went for), had not gone for a
Republican since Nixon, in the 60's.
Seeing Franken on Capital Hill was hilarious. Kind of like having a numskull like mz the pussy elected to public office. God help us all, the Christians anyway.
Wow, two guys who constantly cry to the mods about the flinging of personal insults by "libs" are insulting me personally in one thread. Kinda puts everything into perspective...
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This is not like a hanging chad thing, this is nothing more than a rip off of an election.
so, stealing a senate seat is not quite like stealing the presidency?
consider that opinions of the matter differ depending on where you stand....
were you sreaming bloody murder when Jeb's state gave your man another 4 years?
none of this means the shenanigans that occur are right, but everyone does it......to sit looking down from your soap box like your hands are clean is rather amusing to me.
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You brought up the possum thing, mz the pussy. I guess you were saying that all Republicans in Florida are possums?
Or, something. Or maybe all Republicans in Minn. are possums. wth?
Whatever. Or, maybe you were saying I was a possum. the pic is kind of strange, with no explanation.
I didn't get it. But I did respond in teasing you about it. Poetic justice. Bring it up, don't explain what it means,
get response.
Just yet ANOTHER strange diversion from the current subject.
And, any lib can answer: Name ONE Dem in public office, who has had their children and family unmerifully ridiculed.
Name ONE gov. that has had a bunch of frivolous, politically oriented legal attack lawsuits on "ethics", like holding a fish,
or wearing a ball cap of her husband's team.
What I said was true. Political attacks of personal destruction are a Democratic thing, a new low.
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Even after the supremes got together and handed the election over to "W" an independent group of accountants went to Florida and did the recoun t on their own and found out that "W" really did win.
As far as stealing an election and voter fraud that is what we have gotten out of this past election with early voting & Acorn stuffing ballots in the battleground states.
We need to go back to the old way of one day voting and there will be less of these shenanigans.
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Even after the supremes got together and handed the election over to "W" an independent group of accountants went to Florida and did the recoun t on their own and found out that "W" really did win.
As far as stealing an election and voter fraud that is what we have gotten out of this past election with early voting & Acorn stuffing ballots in the battleground states.
We need to go back to the old way of one day voting and there will be less of these shenanigans.
As far as stealing an election and voter fraud that is what we have gotten out of this past election with early voting & Acorn stuffing ballots in the battleground states.
Uh huh.
If ACORN did indeed steal the election for Obama, they are the by far the most effective organization ever.
Nominee Barack Obama John McCain
Electoral vote 365 173
States carried 28 + DC + NE-02 22
Popular vote 69,456,897 59,934,814
Percentage 52.9% 45.7%
So ACORN was responsible for at least ten million votes? Really??
Did Spencer and Heidi tell you this during their Alex Jones interview or something?
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The left will win by any means necessary. It comes with the frightful and corrupt drive for power over others,
and greed. With the politics of personal hate and destruction, let's call it "bowling over people for dollars".
And Acorn is one big corrupt asinine creation.
Founded and spawned by the desire for a socialist welfare state.
And don't think they will not try to keep the power no matter what they have to contrive.
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Recount Saga Hurt Colemanâs Future Prospects
Raleigh, N.C. â More than half of Minnesota voters say they have an unfavorable opinion of Norm Coleman and his actions during the recount for his Senate race is partly to blame, Public Policy Pollingâs newest survey finds.
52% of respondents said they now view Coleman negatively, with 38% still holding a positive opinion of him. 72% of Republicans but only 10% of Democrats give him good reviews, and independents are split 49/37 against him as well.
54% of voters in the state said the way he handled the recount against Al Franken made them less likely to support Coleman in the future for Governor or some other office, compared to 26% who said it made them more inclined to vote for him in a later contest.
Pitted specifically against a trio of potential Democratic contenders for next year, Coleman trails Minneapolis Mayor R.T. Rybak 43-37, has a 41-39 deficit against fellow former Senator Mark Dayton, and leads House Speaker Margaret Anderson Kelliher by a 42-34 margin.
âClearly the recount saga damaged Norm Colemanâs chances at being elected to office again in Minnesota,â said Dean Debnam, President of Public Policy Polling. âYou have to wonder how much more goodwill he would have been able to earn with voters in the state if he had decided to take the high road and concede six months ago.â
Polling data here (.pdf)
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