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  • MLD WoodyM MLD Woody

    All of the Confederate love is a pretty recent thing too

    And it totally had nothing to do with race...

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    @mld-woody said:

    All of the Confederate love is a pretty recent thing too

    And it totally had nothing to do with race...

    Lynyrd Skynyrd and that whole Avalanche of southern rock was about 1970. Nobody was outraged by their album covers or the Dukes of Hazzard until recently when some idiots said it was cool to freak out over it

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      Where you probably don't even know who The United Daughters of the Confederacy were and how they are the reason you so proud of your traitors. I was also taught about the war of northern aggression, but I took some time, thought about it and it's bullshit rewriting of history. 

      LOL! And maybe it's because I happen to like history and have read a great deal about it on my own. Besides it was fun teasing my grandson in his US Grant Halloween costume this year. He was very proud of it so I informed him about the taking of Vicksburg and the most brilliant move in civil war history by crossing the Mississippi below Vicksburg, taking Jackson and attacking Vicksburg from the eastern land side. It's actually possible to be proud of how I am NOT a slave owner, an idea abhorrent to me, but not to some of my ancestors. It's just history and I have some relics (Confederate money) of that history given to me by my R.I. in-laws who had a collector in the family.

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      @texasag1969 said:

      LOL! And maybe it's because I happen to like history and have read a great deal about it on my own. Besides it was fun teasing my grandson in his US Grant Halloween costume this year. He was very proud of it so I informed him about the taking of Vicksburg and the most brilliant move in civil war history by crossing the Mississippi below Vicksburg, taking Jackson and attacking Vicksburg from the eastern land side. It's actually possible to be proud of how I am NOT a slave owner, an idea abhorrent to me, but not to some of my ancestors. It's just history and I have some relics (Confederate money) of that history given to me by my R.I. in-laws who had a collector in the family.

      "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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        My Great Great Grandaddy fought for the south out of North Carolina.    Not really, but if I'd had my way, he would have.

        "You planning on having a long relationship with that glass or are you going to drink it? Drink up, man. Maybe we can get another.” - Janis Joplin, 1970.
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          My Great Great Grandaddy fought for the south out of North Carolina.    Not really, but if I'd had my way, he would have.

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          @diehardbrownsfan said:

          My Great Great Grandaddy fought for the south out of North Carolina.    Not really, but if I'd had my way, he would have.

          This fucking killed me hahaha

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            My Great Great Grandaddy fought for the south out of North Carolina.    Not really, but if I'd had my way, he would have.

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            @diehardbrownsfan said:

            My Great Great Grandaddy fought for the south out of North Carolina.    Not really, but if I'd had my way, he would have.

            Funny thing is I actually did have a great grandfather who was in one of the last battles of the civil war. He was with a home guard Alabama unit and was captured at age 17 just as the war was ending. He was released at the end of the war shortly thereafter and made his way to Texas where he homesteaded fairly close to what is now the A&M campus. So I guess the song applies, but I'd rather we just beat 'em in football. LOL!

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              My family fought for the north out of PA. 

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                @cccjwh said:

                Where you probably don't even know who The United Daughters of the Confederacy were and how they are the reason you so proud of your traitors. I was also taught about the war of northern aggression, but I took some time, thought about it and it's bullshit rewriting of history. 

                LOL! And maybe it's because I happen to like history and have read a great deal about it on my own. Besides it was fun teasing my grandson in his US Grant Halloween costume this year. He was very proud of it so I informed him about the taking of Vicksburg and the most brilliant move in civil war history by crossing the Mississippi below Vicksburg, taking Jackson and attacking Vicksburg from the eastern land side. It's actually possible to be proud of how I am NOT a slave owner, an idea abhorrent to me, but not to some of my ancestors. It's just history and I have some relics (Confederate money) of that history given to me by my R.I. in-laws who had a collector in the family.

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                @texasag1969 said:

                LOL! And maybe it's because I happen to like history and have read a great deal about it on my own. Besides it was fun teasing my grandson in his US Grant Halloween costume this year. He was very proud of it so I informed him about the taking of Vicksburg and the most brilliant move in civil war history by crossing the Mississippi below Vicksburg, taking Jackson and attacking Vicksburg from the eastern land side. It's actually possible to be proud of how I am NOT a slave owner, an idea abhorrent to me, but not to some of my ancestors. It's just history and I have some relics (Confederate money) of that history given to me by my R.I. in-laws who had a collector in the family.

                LOL I can be impressed with Nazi Germany Blitzkrieg tactics and how they were able to take over most of Europe. I don't see them as heroes or do I think they should be idolized. The south seceded to be able to keep on owning people. I'm sure you have read the secession letters, they don't leave a lot of room for debate. So keep on being proud of traitors to your nation, makes total sense.

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                      @texasag1969 said:

                      LOL! And maybe it's because I happen to like history and have read a great deal about it on my own. Besides it was fun teasing my grandson in his US Grant Halloween costume this year. He was very proud of it so I informed him about the taking of Vicksburg and the most brilliant move in civil war history by crossing the Mississippi below Vicksburg, taking Jackson and attacking Vicksburg from the eastern land side. It's actually possible to be proud of how I am NOT a slave owner, an idea abhorrent to me, but not to some of my ancestors. It's just history and I have some relics (Confederate money) of that history given to me by my R.I. in-laws who had a collector in the family.

                      LOL I can be impressed with Nazi Germany Blitzkrieg tactics and how they were able to take over most of Europe. I don't see them as heroes or do I think they should be idolized. The south seceded to be able to keep on owning people. I'm sure you have read the secession letters, they don't leave a lot of room for debate. So keep on being proud of traitors to your nation, makes total sense.

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                      LOL I can be impressed with Nazi Germany Blitzkrieg tactics and how they were able to take over most of Europe. I don't see them as heroes or do I think they should be idolized. The south seceded to be able to keep on owning people. I'm sure you have read the secession letters, they don't leave a lot of room for debate. So keep on being proud of traitors to your nation, makes total sense.

                      I have two favorite biographies from the civil war, mostly because of the absolute genius of them both. Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson and U.S. Grant. It makes no difference to me that one was from the south and the other was responsible for the wounding of my great, great uncle at Shiloh. It's that they were both far above the norm in the tactical and strategic moves they made. BTW the uncle survived because he was taken to the first ever forward battlefield surgical unit established by Grant's army. You can find a marker on the Shiloh battlefield. I looked for and found it because of the verbal history passed down through the family that this is why he survived being shot through both legs. Grant was one of those damn Yankees from Ohio.?

                      BTW-the grandson who dressed as Grant for Halloween has asked for and is getting toy civil war soldiers & cannons from his grandmother & me for Xmas He loves history too, but would not be caught dead with a Confederate flag. ?

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                        LOL I can be impressed with Nazi Germany Blitzkrieg tactics and how they were able to take over most of Europe. I don't see them as heroes or do I think they should be idolized. The south seceded to be able to keep on owning people. I'm sure you have read the secession letters, they don't leave a lot of room for debate. So keep on being proud of traitors to your nation, makes total sense.

                        I have two favorite biographies from the civil war, mostly because of the absolute genius of them both. Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson and U.S. Grant. It makes no difference to me that one was from the south and the other was responsible for the wounding of my great, great uncle at Shiloh. It's that they were both far above the norm in the tactical and strategic moves they made. BTW the uncle survived because he was taken to the first ever forward battlefield surgical unit established by Grant's army. You can find a marker on the Shiloh battlefield. I looked for and found it because of the verbal history passed down through the family that this is why he survived being shot through both legs. Grant was one of those damn Yankees from Ohio.?

                        BTW-the grandson who dressed as Grant for Halloween has asked for and is getting toy civil war soldiers & cannons from his grandmother & me for Xmas He loves history too, but would not be caught dead with a Confederate flag. ?

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                        @texasag1969 said:

                        I have two favorite biographies from the civil war, mostly because of the absolute genius of them both. Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson and U.S. Grant. It makes no difference to me that one was from the south and the other was responsible for the wounding of my great, great uncle at Shiloh. It's that they were both far above the norm in the tactical and strategic moves they made. BTW the uncle survived because he was taken to the first ever forward battlefield surgical unit established by Grant's army. You can find a marker on the Shiloh battlefield. I looked for and found it because of the verbal history passed down through the family that this is why he survived being shot through both legs. Grant was one of those damn Yankees from Ohio.?

                        BTW-the grandson who dressed as Grant for Halloween has asked for and is getting toy civil war soldiers & cannons from his grandmother & me for Xmas He loves history too, but would not be caught dead with a Confederate flag. ?

                        If you like geniuses you should read up on Genghis Khan. Yes, he was a ruthless, but there always seemed to be sound reasoning behind the killing. And a lot of killing was exaggerated and purposely spread to discourage future problems. I don't think he was any worse than Alexander, he just scared the shit of out the people who ended up writing a lot of our history.

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                          Yeah Steve stick to the facts.  There's so many unopinionated Trevor Noah and John Oliver clips you could post, but nooo....

                          You're just the wrong kind of biased.

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                            @texasag1969 said:

                            I have two favorite biographies from the civil war, mostly because of the absolute genius of them both. Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson and U.S. Grant. It makes no difference to me that one was from the south and the other was responsible for the wounding of my great, great uncle at Shiloh. It's that they were both far above the norm in the tactical and strategic moves they made. BTW the uncle survived because he was taken to the first ever forward battlefield surgical unit established by Grant's army. You can find a marker on the Shiloh battlefield. I looked for and found it because of the verbal history passed down through the family that this is why he survived being shot through both legs. Grant was one of those damn Yankees from Ohio.?

                            BTW-the grandson who dressed as Grant for Halloween has asked for and is getting toy civil war soldiers & cannons from his grandmother & me for Xmas He loves history too, but would not be caught dead with a Confederate flag. ?

                            If you like geniuses you should read up on Genghis Khan. Yes, he was a ruthless, but there always seemed to be sound reasoning behind the killing. And a lot of killing was exaggerated and purposely spread to discourage future problems. I don't think he was any worse than Alexander, he just scared the shit of out the people who ended up writing a lot of our history.

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                            @cccjwh said:

                            If you like geniuses you should read up on Genghis Khan. Yes, he was a ruthless, but there always seemed to be sound reasoning behind the killing. And a lot of killing was exaggerated and purposely spread to discourage future problems. I don't think he was any worse than Alexander, he just scared the shit of out the people who ended up writing a lot of our history.

                            That would be Sherman's March to the Sea. Scorched earth policy. Another Ohioan.?

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                              @cccjwh said:

                              If you like geniuses you should read up on Genghis Khan. Yes, he was a ruthless, but there always seemed to be sound reasoning behind the killing. And a lot of killing was exaggerated and purposely spread to discourage future problems. I don't think he was any worse than Alexander, he just scared the shit of out the people who ended up writing a lot of our history.

                              That would be Sherman's March to the Sea. Scorched earth policy. Another Ohioan.?

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                              @texasag1969 said:

                              That would be Sherman's March to the Sea. Scorched earth policy. Another Ohioan.?

                              But that was justified right? I mean slavery was immoral! Thousands needed to be butchered for their own good. ?

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                                Never do understand people defending traitors of our country. What county has killed more Americans than any other country in the world? Confederate States of America. 

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                                @cccjwh said:

                                Never do understand people defending traitors of our country. What county has killed more Americans than any other country in the world? Confederate States of America. 

                                How many Confederates were executed as traitors?

                                Also liberals seem to misremember thar this country was born out of treason. 

                                Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                                  @texasag1969 said:

                                  I have two favorite biographies from the civil war, mostly because of the absolute genius of them both. Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson and U.S. Grant. It makes no difference to me that one was from the south and the other was responsible for the wounding of my great, great uncle at Shiloh. It's that they were both far above the norm in the tactical and strategic moves they made. BTW the uncle survived because he was taken to the first ever forward battlefield surgical unit established by Grant's army. You can find a marker on the Shiloh battlefield. I looked for and found it because of the verbal history passed down through the family that this is why he survived being shot through both legs. Grant was one of those damn Yankees from Ohio.?

                                  BTW-the grandson who dressed as Grant for Halloween has asked for and is getting toy civil war soldiers & cannons from his grandmother & me for Xmas He loves history too, but would not be caught dead with a Confederate flag. ?

                                  If you like geniuses you should read up on Genghis Khan. Yes, he was a ruthless, but there always seemed to be sound reasoning behind the killing. And a lot of killing was exaggerated and purposely spread to discourage future problems. I don't think he was any worse than Alexander, he just scared the shit of out the people who ended up writing a lot of our history.

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                                  @cccjwh said:

                                  If you like geniuses you should read up on Genghis Khan. Yes, he was a ruthless, but there always seemed to be sound reasoning behind the killing. And a lot of killing was exaggerated and purposely spread to discourage future problems. I don't think he was any worse than Alexander, he just scared the shit of out the people who ended up writing a lot of our history.

                                  Sack of Baghdad 1258.

                                  Murder of between 250,000 - 1,000,000 in one week. Near total rape and annihilation of the civilian citizenry. Completely fucked any progress the middle East had made. Ramifications still being felt today. 

                                  Yeah, no, the Mongols were cool guys. 

                                  Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                                    Never do understand people defending traitors of our country. What county has killed more Americans than any other country in the world? Confederate States of America. 

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                                    @cccjwh said:

                                    Never do understand people defending traitors of our country. What county has killed more Americans than any other country in the world? Confederate States of America. 

                                    Unless of course it's George Washington.

                                    But I would bet dollars to dog turds that it never bothered you before the stupid left-wing Democrats started screeching about it.

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                                      @cccjwh said:

                                      Never do understand people defending traitors of our country. What county has killed more Americans than any other country in the world? Confederate States of America. 

                                      How many Confederates were executed as traitors?

                                      Also liberals seem to misremember thar this country was born out of treason. 

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                                      Also liberals seem to misremember thar this country was born out of treason. 

                                      Yeah but we were the traitors that won in that example. 

                                      It does seem strange to celebrate a group that went to war with your country. 

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                                        when a country makes itself the oppressive, deadly enemy - Real Americans take up

                                        arms to defend themselves. That isn't a matter of being traitors, it's a matter of being

                                        persecuted and being made slaves to a vicious, powerful force. They already fled their country.

                                        They left for freedom. Their FORMER country came after them.

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                                          The northern position was reunification not punishment. 

                                          Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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