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  • T TexasAg1969

    @cccjwh said:

    LOL I can be impressed with Nazi Germany Blitzkrieg tactics and how they were able to take over most of Europe. I don't see them as heroes or do I think they should be idolized. The south seceded to be able to keep on owning people. I'm sure you have read the secession letters, they don't leave a lot of room for debate. So keep on being proud of traitors to your nation, makes total sense.

    I have two favorite biographies from the civil war, mostly because of the absolute genius of them both. Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson and U.S. Grant. It makes no difference to me that one was from the south and the other was responsible for the wounding of my great, great uncle at Shiloh. It's that they were both far above the norm in the tactical and strategic moves they made. BTW the uncle survived because he was taken to the first ever forward battlefield surgical unit established by Grant's army. You can find a marker on the Shiloh battlefield. I looked for and found it because of the verbal history passed down through the family that this is why he survived being shot through both legs. Grant was one of those damn Yankees from Ohio.?

    BTW-the grandson who dressed as Grant for Halloween has asked for and is getting toy civil war soldiers & cannons from his grandmother & me for Xmas He loves history too, but would not be caught dead with a Confederate flag. ?

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    I have two favorite biographies from the civil war, mostly because of the absolute genius of them both. Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson and U.S. Grant. It makes no difference to me that one was from the south and the other was responsible for the wounding of my great, great uncle at Shiloh. It's that they were both far above the norm in the tactical and strategic moves they made. BTW the uncle survived because he was taken to the first ever forward battlefield surgical unit established by Grant's army. You can find a marker on the Shiloh battlefield. I looked for and found it because of the verbal history passed down through the family that this is why he survived being shot through both legs. Grant was one of those damn Yankees from Ohio.?

    BTW-the grandson who dressed as Grant for Halloween has asked for and is getting toy civil war soldiers & cannons from his grandmother & me for Xmas He loves history too, but would not be caught dead with a Confederate flag. ?

    If you like geniuses you should read up on Genghis Khan. Yes, he was a ruthless, but there always seemed to be sound reasoning behind the killing. And a lot of killing was exaggerated and purposely spread to discourage future problems. I don't think he was any worse than Alexander, he just scared the shit of out the people who ended up writing a lot of our history.

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      Yeah Steve stick to the facts.  There's so many unopinionated Trevor Noah and John Oliver clips you could post, but nooo....

      You're just the wrong kind of biased.

      “It is impossible to get a man to understand something if his livelihood depends on him not understanding.”
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        @texasag1969 said:

        I have two favorite biographies from the civil war, mostly because of the absolute genius of them both. Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson and U.S. Grant. It makes no difference to me that one was from the south and the other was responsible for the wounding of my great, great uncle at Shiloh. It's that they were both far above the norm in the tactical and strategic moves they made. BTW the uncle survived because he was taken to the first ever forward battlefield surgical unit established by Grant's army. You can find a marker on the Shiloh battlefield. I looked for and found it because of the verbal history passed down through the family that this is why he survived being shot through both legs. Grant was one of those damn Yankees from Ohio.?

        BTW-the grandson who dressed as Grant for Halloween has asked for and is getting toy civil war soldiers & cannons from his grandmother & me for Xmas He loves history too, but would not be caught dead with a Confederate flag. ?

        If you like geniuses you should read up on Genghis Khan. Yes, he was a ruthless, but there always seemed to be sound reasoning behind the killing. And a lot of killing was exaggerated and purposely spread to discourage future problems. I don't think he was any worse than Alexander, he just scared the shit of out the people who ended up writing a lot of our history.

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        @cccjwh said:

        If you like geniuses you should read up on Genghis Khan. Yes, he was a ruthless, but there always seemed to be sound reasoning behind the killing. And a lot of killing was exaggerated and purposely spread to discourage future problems. I don't think he was any worse than Alexander, he just scared the shit of out the people who ended up writing a lot of our history.

        That would be Sherman's March to the Sea. Scorched earth policy. Another Ohioan.?

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          @cccjwh said:

          If you like geniuses you should read up on Genghis Khan. Yes, he was a ruthless, but there always seemed to be sound reasoning behind the killing. And a lot of killing was exaggerated and purposely spread to discourage future problems. I don't think he was any worse than Alexander, he just scared the shit of out the people who ended up writing a lot of our history.

          That would be Sherman's March to the Sea. Scorched earth policy. Another Ohioan.?

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          @texasag1969 said:

          That would be Sherman's March to the Sea. Scorched earth policy. Another Ohioan.?

          But that was justified right? I mean slavery was immoral! Thousands needed to be butchered for their own good. ?

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            Never do understand people defending traitors of our country. What county has killed more Americans than any other country in the world? Confederate States of America. 

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            @cccjwh said:

            Never do understand people defending traitors of our country. What county has killed more Americans than any other country in the world? Confederate States of America. 

            How many Confederates were executed as traitors?

            Also liberals seem to misremember thar this country was born out of treason. 

            Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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              @texasag1969 said:

              I have two favorite biographies from the civil war, mostly because of the absolute genius of them both. Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson and U.S. Grant. It makes no difference to me that one was from the south and the other was responsible for the wounding of my great, great uncle at Shiloh. It's that they were both far above the norm in the tactical and strategic moves they made. BTW the uncle survived because he was taken to the first ever forward battlefield surgical unit established by Grant's army. You can find a marker on the Shiloh battlefield. I looked for and found it because of the verbal history passed down through the family that this is why he survived being shot through both legs. Grant was one of those damn Yankees from Ohio.?

              BTW-the grandson who dressed as Grant for Halloween has asked for and is getting toy civil war soldiers & cannons from his grandmother & me for Xmas He loves history too, but would not be caught dead with a Confederate flag. ?

              If you like geniuses you should read up on Genghis Khan. Yes, he was a ruthless, but there always seemed to be sound reasoning behind the killing. And a lot of killing was exaggerated and purposely spread to discourage future problems. I don't think he was any worse than Alexander, he just scared the shit of out the people who ended up writing a lot of our history.

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              @cccjwh said:

              If you like geniuses you should read up on Genghis Khan. Yes, he was a ruthless, but there always seemed to be sound reasoning behind the killing. And a lot of killing was exaggerated and purposely spread to discourage future problems. I don't think he was any worse than Alexander, he just scared the shit of out the people who ended up writing a lot of our history.

              Sack of Baghdad 1258.

              Murder of between 250,000 - 1,000,000 in one week. Near total rape and annihilation of the civilian citizenry. Completely fucked any progress the middle East had made. Ramifications still being felt today. 

              Yeah, no, the Mongols were cool guys. 

              Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                Never do understand people defending traitors of our country. What county has killed more Americans than any other country in the world? Confederate States of America. 

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                @cccjwh said:

                Never do understand people defending traitors of our country. What county has killed more Americans than any other country in the world? Confederate States of America. 

                Unless of course it's George Washington.

                But I would bet dollars to dog turds that it never bothered you before the stupid left-wing Democrats started screeching about it.

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                  @cccjwh said:

                  Never do understand people defending traitors of our country. What county has killed more Americans than any other country in the world? Confederate States of America. 

                  How many Confederates were executed as traitors?

                  Also liberals seem to misremember thar this country was born out of treason. 

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                  @the-cysko-kid said:

                  Also liberals seem to misremember thar this country was born out of treason. 

                  Yeah but we were the traitors that won in that example. 

                  It does seem strange to celebrate a group that went to war with your country. 

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                    when a country makes itself the oppressive, deadly enemy - Real Americans take up

                    arms to defend themselves. That isn't a matter of being traitors, it's a matter of being

                    persecuted and being made slaves to a vicious, powerful force. They already fled their country.

                    They left for freedom. Their FORMER country came after them.

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                      The northern position was reunification not punishment. 

                      Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                        @cccjwh said:

                        Never do understand people defending traitors of our country. What county has killed more Americans than any other country in the world? Confederate States of America. 

                        How many Confederates were executed as traitors?

                        Also liberals seem to misremember thar this country was born out of treason. 

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                        @the-cysko-kid said:

                        How many Confederates were executed as traitors?

                        Also liberals seem to misremember thar this country was born out of treason. 

                        LOL! And the "new" conservatives have "disremembered" that this country was born to release us from the shackles of a King, yet seem to want a new ? who would undermine the democratic foundations of this country for his own selfish greed and adulation.

                        EDIT: https://www.newsmax.com/politics/senators-donaldtrump-robertmueller/2018/12/10/id/893924/?ns_mail_uid=6d52df85-236f-4a8f-8332-d84fdb5d6ebf&ns_mail_job=DM10153_12112018&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010104tbxhdp

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                          @the-cysko-kid said:

                          How many Confederates were executed as traitors?

                          Also liberals seem to misremember thar this country was born out of treason. 

                          LOL! And the "new" conservatives have "disremembered" that this country was born to release us from the shackles of a King, yet seem to want a new ? who would undermine the democratic foundations of this country for his own selfish greed and adulation.

                          EDIT: https://www.newsmax.com/politics/senators-donaldtrump-robertmueller/2018/12/10/id/893924/?ns_mail_uid=6d52df85-236f-4a8f-8332-d84fdb5d6ebf&ns_mail_job=DM10153_12112018&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010104tbxhdp

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                          @texasag1969 said:

                          LOL! And the "new" conservatives have "disremembered" that this country was born to release us from the shackles of a King, yet seem to want a new ? who would undermine the democratic foundations of this country for his own selfish greed and adulation.

                          EDIT: https://www.newsmax.com/politics/senators-donaldtrump-robertmueller/2018/12/10/id/893924/?ns_mail_uid=6d52df85-236f-4a8f-8332-d84fdb5d6ebf&ns_mail_job=DM10153_12112018&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010104tbxhdp

                          And the South wanted to free themselves from the shackles of the president. So what? And why was that? Because Washington and his Pals Who are the .1% of wealthy people on the continent. Felt they were being overtaxed for ship they didn't care about. Like now.

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                            @the-cysko-kid said:

                            How many Confederates were executed as traitors?

                            Also liberals seem to misremember thar this country was born out of treason. 

                            LOL! And the "new" conservatives have "disremembered" that this country was born to release us from the shackles of a King, yet seem to want a new ? who would undermine the democratic foundations of this country for his own selfish greed and adulation.

                            EDIT: https://www.newsmax.com/politics/senators-donaldtrump-robertmueller/2018/12/10/id/893924/?ns_mail_uid=6d52df85-236f-4a8f-8332-d84fdb5d6ebf&ns_mail_job=DM10153_12112018&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010104tbxhdp

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                            @texasag1969 said:

                            LOL! And the "new" conservatives have "disremembered" that this country was born to release us from the shackles of a King, yet seem to want a new ? who would undermine the democratic foundations of this country for his own selfish greed and adulation.

                            EDIT: https://www.newsmax.com/politics/senators-donaldtrump-robertmueller/2018/12/10/id/893924/?ns_mail_uid=6d52df85-236f-4a8f-8332-d84fdb5d6ebf&ns_mail_job=DM10153_12112018&s=acs&dkt_nbr=010104tbxhdp

                            Again, you, like cccwhatever are guilty of acting as though I give a fuck about Trump one way or the other. I don't. I think he's a dick who is more effective than the guy everyone loved and now you've all got your panties in a bunch about it. I couldn't care less what happens to him one way or the other though. Long term this country belongs to the Democrats and it's irrevocably fucked. 

                            Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                              when a country makes itself the oppressive, deadly enemy - Real Americans take up

                              arms to defend themselves. That isn't a matter of being traitors, it's a matter of being

                              persecuted and being made slaves to a vicious, powerful force. They already fled their country.

                              They left for freedom. Their FORMER country came after them.

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                              @calfoxwc said:

                              when a country makes itself the oppressive, deadly enemy - Real Americans take up

                              arms to defend themselves. That isn't a matter of being traitors, it's a matter of being

                              persecuted and being made slaves to a vicious, powerful force. They already fled their country.

                              They left for freedom. Their FORMER country came after them.

                              Were Confederates Real Americans? 

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                                @cccjwh said:

                                If you like geniuses you should read up on Genghis Khan. Yes, he was a ruthless, but there always seemed to be sound reasoning behind the killing. And a lot of killing was exaggerated and purposely spread to discourage future problems. I don't think he was any worse than Alexander, he just scared the shit of out the people who ended up writing a lot of our history.

                                Sack of Baghdad 1258.

                                Murder of between 250,000 - 1,000,000 in one week. Near total rape and annihilation of the civilian citizenry. Completely fucked any progress the middle East had made. Ramifications still being felt today. 

                                Yeah, no, the Mongols were cool guys. 

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                                @the-cysko-kid said:

                                Sack of Baghdad 1258.

                                Murder of between 250,000 - 1,000,000 in one week. Near total rape and annihilation of the civilian citizenry. Completely fucked any progress the middle East had made. Ramifications still being felt today. 

                                Yeah, no, the Mongols were cool guys. 

                                I never said Genghis was a swell guy,  I said what he was able to do was amazing.  

                                1. Genghis wasn't at the sack of Baghdad.

                                2. The leaders of the city should have just surrender, but they were stupid.

                                3. Thanks for proving my point about exaggerating the numbers.

                                Over 350,000 Americans were killed by your heroes in the south trying their best to keep on owning people. 

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                                  Sack of Baghdad 1258.

                                  Murder of between 250,000 - 1,000,000 in one week. Near total rape and annihilation of the civilian citizenry. Completely fucked any progress the middle East had made. Ramifications still being felt today. 

                                  Yeah, no, the Mongols were cool guys. 

                                  I never said Genghis was a swell guy,  I said what he was able to do was amazing.  

                                  1. Genghis wasn't at the sack of Baghdad.

                                  2. The leaders of the city should have just surrender, but they were stupid.

                                  3. Thanks for proving my point about exaggerating the numbers.

                                  Over 350,000 Americans were killed by your heroes in the south trying their best to keep on owning people. 

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                                  @cccjwh said:

                                  I never said Genghis was a swell guy,  I said what he was able to do was amazing.  

                                  1. Genghis wasn't at the sack of Baghdad.

                                  2. The leaders of the city should have just surrender, but they were stupid.

                                  3. Thanks for proving my point about exaggerating the numbers.

                                  Over 350,000 Americans were killed by your heroes in the south trying their best to keep on owning people. 

                                  Hitler wasn't at Stalingrad. No culpability I suppose. 

                                  Heroes? No. I'm from Ohio. We fought for the Union in case you weren't aware. No less than  U.S. Grant and William Tecumseh Sherman themselves were Ohio Natives. 

                                  If those two guys, as well as Abraham Lincoln were able to put enmity aside and accept the vanquished south back into the Union who the fuck is anonymous internet troll cccjlgbt to try and sway my opinion? 

                                  Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind...
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                                    @calfoxwc said:

                                    when a country makes itself the oppressive, deadly enemy - Real Americans take up

                                    arms to defend themselves. That isn't a matter of being traitors, it's a matter of being

                                    persecuted and being made slaves to a vicious, powerful force. They already fled their country.

                                    They left for freedom. Their FORMER country came after them.

                                    Were Confederates Real Americans? 

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                                    Were Confederates Real Americans? 

                                    If you remember how I explained the definition to you many times before - yes. It involves

                                    love of country, family values, independence, honor....etc. The civil war was over how those values were implemented.

                                    Your questions are getting far more stupidass than usual.

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                                      @mld-woody said:

                                      Were Confederates Real Americans? 

                                      If you remember how I explained the definition to you many times before - yes. It involves

                                      love of country, family values, independence, honor....etc. The civil war was over how those values were implemented.

                                      Your questions are getting far more stupidass than usual.

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                                      @calfoxwc said:

                                      If you remember how I explained the definition to you many times before - yes. It involves

                                      love of country, family values, independence, honor....etc. The civil war was over how those values were implemented.

                                      Your questions are getting far more stupidass than usual.

                                      So both sides were real Americans?

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                                        @cccjwh said:

                                        I never said Genghis was a swell guy,  I said what he was able to do was amazing.  

                                        1. Genghis wasn't at the sack of Baghdad.

                                        2. The leaders of the city should have just surrender, but they were stupid.

                                        3. Thanks for proving my point about exaggerating the numbers.

                                        Over 350,000 Americans were killed by your heroes in the south trying their best to keep on owning people. 

                                        Hitler wasn't at Stalingrad. No culpability I suppose. 

                                        Heroes? No. I'm from Ohio. We fought for the Union in case you weren't aware. No less than  U.S. Grant and William Tecumseh Sherman themselves were Ohio Natives. 

                                        If those two guys, as well as Abraham Lincoln were able to put enmity aside and accept the vanquished south back into the Union who the fuck is anonymous internet troll cccjlgbt to try and sway my opinion? 

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                                        @the-cysko-kid said:

                                        Hitler wasn't at Stalingrad. No culpability I suppose. 

                                        Heroes? No. I'm from Ohio. We fought for the Union in case you weren't aware. No less than  U.S. Grant and William Tecumseh Sherman themselves were Ohio Natives. 

                                        If those two guys, as well as Abraham Lincoln were able to put enmity aside and accept the vanquished south back into the Union who the fuck is anonymous internet troll cccjlgbt to try and sway my opinion? 

                                        Well I can see you don't know shit about Khan, so I won't bother. Being proud of people who were traitors to your country has nothing to do with enmity. Are the Germans proud of their Nazi history? No. But the assholes in this country sure are proud of people how committed treason and killed a bunch of Americans.And what was the primary reason for these traitors to commit treason? So they could keep on owning people. Hey I'm sure they didn't rape and murder a bunch slaves either, that is just fake news. If they actual had some noble cause to fight for, then you could have some pride. 

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                                          @cccjwh said:

                                          I never said Genghis was a swell guy,  I said what he was able to do was amazing.  

                                          1. Genghis wasn't at the sack of Baghdad.

                                          2. The leaders of the city should have just surrender, but they were stupid.

                                          3. Thanks for proving my point about exaggerating the numbers.

                                          Over 350,000 Americans were killed by your heroes in the south trying their best to keep on owning people. 

                                          Hitler wasn't at Stalingrad. No culpability I suppose. 

                                          Heroes? No. I'm from Ohio. We fought for the Union in case you weren't aware. No less than  U.S. Grant and William Tecumseh Sherman themselves were Ohio Natives. 

                                          If those two guys, as well as Abraham Lincoln were able to put enmity aside and accept the vanquished south back into the Union who the fuck is anonymous internet troll cccjlgbt to try and sway my opinion? 

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                                          @the-cysko-kid said:

                                          Hitler wasn't at Stalingrad. No culpability I suppose. 

                                          Heroes? No. I'm from Ohio. We fought for the Union in case you weren't aware. No less than  U.S. Grant and William Tecumseh Sherman themselves were Ohio Natives. 

                                          If those two guys, as well as Abraham Lincoln were able to put enmity aside and accept the vanquished south back into the Union who the fuck is anonymous internet troll cccjlgbt to try and sway my opinion? 

                                            yeah - "genderless" as well. Maybe foreign who doesn't know our history, our Constitution, and some of the grammar sounds like the posts are from a russian dimwitted troll.

                                          Эй, cccjwh, вернуться домой, они на тебе, ОК?

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