Id like to see the Browns def emulate something from the texans D next year....
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If he could keep playing then he wasn’t hurt that bad. Bosa could not play at all because of his injuries.
Don't use reason gip. A banged up shoulder is just as bad as a torn core muscle that takes the average athlete 12 weeks to recover from.
Don't use reason gip. A banged up shoulder is just as bad as a torn core muscle that takes the average athlete 12 weeks to recover from.
And leaving your team completely is part of the recovery....
Who am I kidding, as soon as I said something remotely negative about an OSU player I knew Gip would swarm lol
Ja.brill Peppers - Cleveland Brown OldBrownsFan, on 02 Jun 2017 - 5:09PM said: "No you are not the work of the devil but you are deceived by the devil." Who's got it better than us? Nooooobody! -
Don't use reason gip. A banged up shoulder is just as bad as a torn core muscle that takes the average athlete 12 weeks to recover from.
And leaving your team completely is part of the recovery....
Who am I kidding, as soon as I said something remotely negative about an OSU player I knew Gip would swarm lol
And leaving your team completely is part of the recovery....
Who am I kidding, as soon as I said something remotely negative about an OSU player I knew Gip would swarm lol
If you had just said stayed with the team then I would have left it be but you added the "and played" part. Honestly i thought Gary hurt you guys when he came back. Almost played to tentatively to avoid injury. Honestly thought him sitting those couple game Paye was more effective.
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I still think we need to pick up a big LDE either in the draft or FA, but i like what the texans do with their front 7. They run their base 4-3 most of the time and use mercilus as the 5th rusher sometimes. Then in their nickel packages they bring up mercilus to the line as the 34 olb'er and move watt back to his old 5 tech spot...
We have the RDE and the olb'er (Avery) in this equation.....
I still think we need to pick up a big LDE either in the draft or FA, but i like what the texans do with their front 7. They run their base 4-3 most of the time and use mercilus as the 5th rusher sometimes. Then in their nickel packages they bring up mercilus to the line as the 34 olb'er and move watt back to his old 5 tech spot...
We have the RDE and the olb'er (Avery) in this equation.....
Definitely. This would be a great offseason to do so.
I think a legit DT opposite of Ojunobi would be nice.
Browns seem to do a good job producing a pass rush from the ends especially when the refs call holding but imagine if they had a consistent interior pass rush, the pocket would shrink and the sack numbers would be up!
I'm curious to see what JAX does with their DL. They'll be over the cap and it looks like Malik Jackson will be available. If Campbell was available, he'd be nice in CLE.
Draft wise, I'd assume Gerald Willis/Dre'Monte Jones will be available.
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My top 3 defenders if available to us in Rd. One in no particular order: DT Ed Oliver - Houston, ILB Devon White - LSU, or ILB/OLB Josh Allen - Kentucky. We need run stoppers and I'd be happy with any one of those guys. I guess I would lean towards the large, speedy LBs since the draft is loaded with DTs and we can still get a good one in Rd Two.
My top 3 defenders if available to us in Rd. One in no particular order: DT Ed Oliver - Houston, ILB Devon White - LSU, or ILB/OLB Josh Allen - Kentucky. We need run stoppers and I'd be happy with any one of those guys. I guess I would lean towards the large, speedy LBs since the draft is loaded with DTs and we can still get a good one in Rd Two.
I freakin' love Allen...
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Oh god, calais campbell on the otber side of garrett? Prob not gonna happen but who knows.
Im gonna say something unpopular here, cause the browns are winning.....but our defense really concerns me. If our offense hadnt pressured the panthers offensive gameplan, i think the panthers would have won...and by alot. Yes, i know....the nfl is played on both sides of the ball. You have to have a balanced team......but our offense today forced the panthers to be more aggressive in the pass playcalling. Kind of played into our defensive strengths, luckily for us.
Im not so sure anymore about williams. The defense looks like its trying new shit every week, and for the most part it aint foolin nobody. I dont know if williams is firced to experiment because our rotational depth on the front line is essentially shiite.....or if he's getting enamored too much with avery and is trying to square peg/round hole the rest of the front 7 allignments to find ways to keep avery on the field......but fuck our front 7 just doesnt look settled. Thank god our lb'ing corp is fairly solid.
Those preseason cuts to the interior are showing the last few weeks. Jobi is broke down, he's out there at 70% right now. He should not be the primary hole plugger out there like he was most of the season. He's best when he's slicing through gaps, meder or shelton were supposed to be the workhorses that allow jobi to see more 1v1 against a guard. Last week or so we're seeing that guy from blt, price i think, but he's avg...just a body. And im getting angry at seeing our 34 looks without a true 2 fap monster which really puts alot of wear on garrett when they slide him inside to 5 tech.
What williams is doing with garrett is the other big issue i have. During the course of the game i see garret at olb'er, DE and 5 tech.....wtf? Im really concerned they're gonna get him hurt bad. If they want him to do some duty at 5T xause they want use avery more, he's gonna have to put some weight on....but then he might lose his edge quicks. And he def shouldnt be dropping in coverage then. Williams needs to decide if he wants garrett to be a hybrid lineman or hybrid olb/DE.
And then watching the 2nd string come in to.try to play the same way as the 1st string.....like zettel coming in and doing all the afirementioned things they're asking if garrett......umm no, stop it. Zettel is an "at best" serviceable 43 DE. Chris Smith is our best depth player at edge right now.
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Don't use reason gip. A banged up shoulder is just as bad as a torn core muscle that takes the average athlete 12 weeks to recover from.
And leaving your team completely is part of the recovery....
Who am I kidding, as soon as I said something remotely negative about an OSU player I knew Gip would swarm lol
And leaving your team completely is part of the recovery....
Who am I kidding, as soon as I said something remotely negative about an OSU player I knew Gip would swarm lol
That’s because I don’t let you go with your fucking ignorant stupidity. if the Michigan player or whoever had absolutely no chance of coming back to play for his team he would’ve probably left too and worked out for the draft. It’s just that their injuries are far far different. Bosa’s was far far worse but you’re too stupid to understand that. Apparently
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O have a sneaking suspicion bosas dicesion may have also hinged on some of this internal dysfunction at osu. And also the fact he's looking at the #1 pick. Cmon woody, thats gonna be near 30m signing bonus this year. Rashan had to play through injuries so theres 2018 tape of him for scouts to look at. If he was a "lock" to go top 5 he wouldnt have played.
I need to watch more tape of him tho. He's a possibility where it looks like we'll be picking. The miss on hurst tho.....still smh
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I like Ward a lot and think he's going to be a great pro player. I still wonder though how dominant our line could have been with Chubb opposite Garrett. That type of disruption would have been unbelievable ala Ware and Von Miller a few years back.
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O have a sneaking suspicion bosas dicesion may have also hinged on some of this internal dysfunction at osu. And also the fact he's looking at the #1 pick. Cmon woody, thats gonna be near 30m signing bonus this year. Rashan had to play through injuries so theres 2018 tape of him for scouts to look at. If he was a "lock" to go top 5 he wouldnt have played.
I need to watch more tape of him tho. He's a possibility where it looks like we'll be picking. The miss on hurst tho.....still smh
O have a sneaking suspicion bosas dicesion may have also hinged on some of this internal dysfunction at osu. And also the fact he's looking at the #1 pick. Cmon woody, thats gonna be near 30m signing bonus this year. Rashan had to play through injuries so theres 2018 tape of him for scouts to look at. If he was a "lock" to go top 5 he wouldnt have played.
I need to watch more tape of him tho. He's a possibility where it looks like we'll be picking. The miss on hurst tho.....still smh
Careful now Cleve.... Watch it with that OSU talk.
I don't think Rashan had to play. Has he been seen as highly as Boss? No. But he isn't that far off. And it's the combine where he's really supposed to shine. A year of him getting double and triple teamed while on a bum shoulder wasn't ever going to make a difference.
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Oh god, calais campbell on the otber side of garrett? Prob not gonna happen but who knows.
Im gonna say something unpopular here, cause the browns are winning.....but our defense really concerns me. If our offense hadnt pressured the panthers offensive gameplan, i think the panthers would have won...and by alot. Yes, i know....the nfl is played on both sides of the ball. You have to have a balanced team......but our offense today forced the panthers to be more aggressive in the pass playcalling. Kind of played into our defensive strengths, luckily for us.
Im not so sure anymore about williams. The defense looks like its trying new shit every week, and for the most part it aint foolin nobody. I dont know if williams is firced to experiment because our rotational depth on the front line is essentially shiite.....or if he's getting enamored too much with avery and is trying to square peg/round hole the rest of the front 7 allignments to find ways to keep avery on the field......but fuck our front 7 just doesnt look settled. Thank god our lb'ing corp is fairly solid.
Those preseason cuts to the interior are showing the last few weeks. Jobi is broke down, he's out there at 70% right now. He should not be the primary hole plugger out there like he was most of the season. He's best when he's slicing through gaps, meder or shelton were supposed to be the workhorses that allow jobi to see more 1v1 against a guard. Last week or so we're seeing that guy from blt, price i think, but he's avg...just a body. And im getting angry at seeing our 34 looks without a true 2 fap monster which really puts alot of wear on garrett when they slide him inside to 5 tech.
What williams is doing with garrett is the other big issue i have. During the course of the game i see garret at olb'er, DE and 5 tech.....wtf? Im really concerned they're gonna get him hurt bad. If they want him to do some duty at 5T xause they want use avery more, he's gonna have to put some weight on....but then he might lose his edge quicks. And he def shouldnt be dropping in coverage then. Williams needs to decide if he wants garrett to be a hybrid lineman or hybrid olb/DE.
And then watching the 2nd string come in to.try to play the same way as the 1st string.....like zettel coming in and doing all the afirementioned things they're asking if garrett......umm no, stop it. Zettel is an "at best" serviceable 43 DE. Chris Smith is our best depth player at edge right now.
...but our offense today forced the panthers to be more aggressive in the pass playcalling.
You realize that McCaffery had one 25-yd run in his 63-yd total for the day... on 16 carries... so that's 38-td on 15... or 2.53 ypc. More than the score forced CAR to take to the air...
As for our D wearing down... it looks like both points and yards allowed over the past 4 games are lower than any other 4-game stretch this season...
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My top 3 defenders if available to us in Rd. One in no particular order: DT Ed Oliver - Houston, ILB Devon White - LSU, or ILB/OLB Josh Allen - Kentucky. We need run stoppers and I'd be happy with any one of those guys. I guess I would lean towards the large, speedy LBs since the draft is loaded with DTs and we can still get a good one in Rd Two.
My top 3 defenders if available to us in Rd. One in no particular order: DT Ed Oliver - Houston, ILB Devon White - LSU, or ILB/OLB Josh Allen - Kentucky. We need run stoppers and I'd be happy with any one of those guys. I guess I would lean towards the large, speedy LBs since the draft is loaded with DTs and we can still get a good one in Rd Two.
Josh Allen is badass.
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...but our offense today forced the panthers to be more aggressive in the pass playcalling.
You realize that McCaffery had one 25-yd run in his 63-yd total for the day... on 16 carries... so that's 38-td on 15... or 2.53 ypc. More than the score forced CAR to take to the air...
As for our D wearing down... it looks like both points and yards allowed over the past 4 games are lower than any other 4-game stretch this season...
You realize that McCaffery had one 25-yd run in his 63-yd total for the day... on 16 carries... so that's 38-td on 15... or 2.53 ypc. More than the score forced CAR to take to the air...
As for our D wearing down... it looks like both points and yards allowed over the past 4 games are lower than any other 4-game stretch this season...
how much of that do you think is directly related to Baker and this offense that can stay on the field? And ur point about mccaffrey is right on, they had to move away from him because Baker was moving the ball. You can't argue that Mccaffrey was seeing some huge holes. Props to Schobert tho, he saved a couple long runs after the edge had failed.
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I've never doubted our starters. It's our roation im concerned with as well as what Williams is going for on some of the things he's doing with the starters.
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My top 3 defenders if available to us in Rd. One in no particular order: DT Ed Oliver - Houston, ILB Devon White - LSU, or ILB/OLB Josh Allen - Kentucky. We need run stoppers and I'd be happy with any one of those guys. I guess I would lean towards the large, speedy LBs since the draft is loaded with DTs and we can still get a good one in Rd Two.
Josh Allen is badass.
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I've never doubted our starters. It's our roation im concerned with as well as what Williams is going for on some of the things he's doing with the starters.
I've never doubted our starters. It's our roation im concerned with as well as what Williams is going for on some of the things he's doing with the starters.
One more offseason and the defense should be pretty good/maybe great.
Right now there are many key 1st or 2nd year players on defense who are only getting better.
One draft/free agency will do wonders.
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My top 3 defenders if available to us in Rd. One in no particular order: DT Ed Oliver - Houston, ILB Devon White - LSU, or ILB/OLB Josh Allen - Kentucky. We need run stoppers and I'd be happy with any one of those guys. I guess I would lean towards the large, speedy LBs since the draft is loaded with DTs and we can still get a good one in Rd Two.
I freakin' love Allen...
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You realize that McCaffery had one 25-yd run in his 63-yd total for the day... on 16 carries... so that's 38-td on 15... or 2.53 ypc. More than the score forced CAR to take to the air...
As for our D wearing down... it looks like both points and yards allowed over the past 4 games are lower than any other 4-game stretch this season...
how much of that do you think is directly related to Baker and this offense that can stay on the field? And ur point about mccaffrey is right on, they had to move away from him because Baker was moving the ball. You can't argue that Mccaffrey was seeing some huge holes. Props to Schobert tho, he saved a couple long runs after the edge had failed.
Props to Schobert tho, he saved a couple long runs after the edge had failed.
2 things that always weights to our ending game results on defense 1.) Winning on 3rd down..Panthers were 5 of 14 at 36%. Browns 4 of 9= 44%....2.) Randall,Collins,Schobert,Garrett lead the way in tackles..When Carrie,BBC and Ward lead us in tackles, were screwed.. Add in the Panthers had 6 of their 10 flags on offense moving them backwards in key spots always helps.Panthers in redzone were 2 of 5..The LB Tanner Vallejo kid from Bills, has been a huge band-aide in key spots
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There are so many great DL this year, that some have to be available.
Rashan might drop depending on the health of his shoulder
A Left Tackle could be sitting there for the Browns too, if Dorsey doesn't think either candidate on the roster now is the longterm solution to the position.
A Left Tackle could be sitting there for the Browns too, if Dorsey doesn't think either candidate on the roster now is the longterm solution to the position.
They could, but would that be the best pick for the team. Since Williams and Kitchens took over, our LT play hasn't been a problem. I look to add more pop on the defensive front or a bookend corner to Ward.
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Props to Schobert tho, he saved a couple long runs after the edge had failed.
2 things that always weights to our ending game results on defense 1.) Winning on 3rd down..Panthers were 5 of 14 at 36%. Browns 4 of 9= 44%....2.) Randall,Collins,Schobert,Garrett lead the way in tackles..When Carrie,BBC and Ward lead us in tackles, were screwed.. Add in the Panthers had 6 of their 10 flags on offense moving them backwards in key spots always helps.Panthers in redzone were 2 of 5..The LB Tanner Vallejo kid from Bills, has been a huge band-aide in key spots
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You realize that McCaffery had one 25-yd run in his 63-yd total for the day... on 16 carries... so that's 38-td on 15... or 2.53 ypc. More than the score forced CAR to take to the air...
As for our D wearing down... it looks like both points and yards allowed over the past 4 games are lower than any other 4-game stretch this season...
how much of that do you think is directly related to Baker and this offense that can stay on the field? And ur point about mccaffrey is right on, they had to move away from him because Baker was moving the ball. You can't argue that Mccaffrey was seeing some huge holes. Props to Schobert tho, he saved a couple long runs after the edge had failed.
how much of that do you think is directly related to Baker and this offense that can stay on the field?
And ur point about mccaffrey is right on, they had to move away from him because Baker was moving the ball. You can't argue that Mccaffrey was seeing some huge holes. Props to Schobert tho, he saved a couple long runs after the edge had failed.
Some for sure, but not as much as you might think. Sunday our TOP differential was -7:40. In fact 2 of our 3 most recent wins came with negative differentials. Plus have to recognize that the D getting off the field impacts TOP as well as the O staying on it.
My McCaffery point was that he did not run wild on us... Baker had zero tackles.
They could, but would that be the best pick for the team. Since Williams and Kitchens took over, our LT play hasn't been a problem. I look to add more pop on the defensive front or a bookend corner to Ward.
Good question... here's another. How much is Kitchen's playcalling restricted by his weak OT links? Both in need to help with chips or double-teams and selecting quick developing plays?
May not be an issue this season, but as tape accumulates D's could start catching onto us.
One off-setting positive for the Robinson-Hubbard duo is their run-blocking, which of course helps our passing attack.
The LB Tanner Vallejo kid from Bills, has been a huge band-aide in key spots
Agree... He's a ST anchor that can contribute to a defense in spot duty.
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