Another feather in the cap of Mayfield
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Most people consider the modern age the super bowl era.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
Most people consider the modern age the super bowl era.
Most people consider the modern age the super bowl era.
Or post WWII, at least.
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I was referring to Otto's team record... which does not "modern era" qualify.
First, playing the Johnny card is a bridge too far. Many here, including me, thought we were gonna get what we got.
Second, "physically the best"? Certainly not the strongest arm, but considering legs as well??? I can get there-ish. Throw in mechanics and I'm very convincible.
U sure about the arm thing? That first pass of the game convinced me he's got easily the best arm we've had since 99. 62 yds on a med rope, on the money? I mean, maybe weedon tech had the arm for that but it would have landed out of bounds. But coach said in that article they've seen alot longer than 63 yds in practice
U sure about the arm thing? That first pass of the game convinced me he's got easily the best arm we've had since 99. 62 yds on a med rope, on the money? I mean, maybe weedon tech had the arm for that but it would have landed out of bounds. But coach said in that article they've seen alot longer than 63 yds in practice
Mayfield has the best arm in when considering arm strength AND accuracy.
Weeden and Derek Anderson had stronger arms, but weren't accurate and possessed zero ability to put touch on the ball.
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U sure about the arm thing? That first pass of the game convinced me he's got easily the best arm we've had since 99. 62 yds on a med rope, on the money? I mean, maybe weedon tech had the arm for that but it would have landed out of bounds. But coach said in that article they've seen alot longer than 63 yds in practice
Mayfield has the best arm in when considering arm strength AND accuracy.
Weeden and Derek Anderson had stronger arms, but weren't accurate and possessed zero ability to put touch on the ball.
Mayfield has the best arm in when considering arm strength AND accuracy.
Weeden and Derek Anderson had stronger arms, but weren't accurate and possessed zero ability to put touch on the ball.
Talking about the other QBs in the 2018 class. Josh Allen has by far the strongest arm, he was tossing them 90 yards at his pro day. But last time I looked, his completion % was running around 52. The main reason I would have barfed if we had drafted him.
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Mayfield has the best arm in when considering arm strength AND accuracy.
Weeden and Derek Anderson had stronger arms, but weren't accurate and possessed zero ability to put touch on the ball.
Talking about the other QBs in the 2018 class. Josh Allen has by far the strongest arm, he was tossing them 90 yards at his pro day. But last time I looked, his completion % was running around 52. The main reason I would have barfed if we had drafted him.
Talking about the other QBs in the 2018 class. Josh Allen has by far the strongest arm, he was tossing them 90 yards at his pro day. But last time I looked, his completion % was running around 52. The main reason I would have barfed if we had drafted him.
I'm on record that I wasn't happy with the Browns taking Mayfield, and I own it.
But I would have been absolutely irate if they would have taken Allen.
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Talking about the other QBs in the 2018 class. Josh Allen has by far the strongest arm, he was tossing them 90 yards at his pro day. But last time I looked, his completion % was running around 52. The main reason I would have barfed if we had drafted him.
I'm on record that I wasn't happy with the Browns taking Mayfield, and I own it.
But I would have been absolutely irate if they would have taken Allen.
I'm on record that I wasn't happy with the Browns taking Mayfield, and I own it.
But I would have been absolutely irate if they would have taken Allen.
I had Darnold and Mayfield 1A and 1B on my board. Dorsey picked the right guy apparently.
Tour wanted Rosen, but I had concerns about those concussions. Had to look, and Josh has a 10-12 TD\int ratio, shades of Tim Couch, he's getting pummelled to the tune of 29 sacks, and the season isn't over.
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I'm on record that I wasn't happy with the Browns taking Mayfield, and I own it.
But I would have been absolutely irate if they would have taken Allen.
I had Darnold and Mayfield 1A and 1B on my board. Dorsey picked the right guy apparently.
Tour wanted Rosen, but I had concerns about those concussions. Had to look, and Josh has a 10-12 TD\int ratio, shades of Tim Couch, he's getting pummelled to the tune of 29 sacks, and the season isn't over.
I had Darnold and Mayfield 1A and 1B on my board. Dorsey picked the right guy apparently.
Tour wanted Rosen, but I had concerns about those concussions. Had to look, and Josh has a 10-12 TD\int ratio, shades of Tim Couch, he's getting pummelled to the tune of 29 sacks, and the season isn't over.
I had Rosen and Darnold back and forth at top, with Mayfield at #3, and Allen at #68.
No one should be shocked that Baker is doing the best in the rookie season, considering how experienced he was coming out. What is surprising is HOW good he's doing. If he was playing at this level in his third pro season, I'd be fine with it. That he's doing it now is amazing.
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I wanted the guy with the best mechanics. But from the moment I saw Baker take his first snaps with the offense in his first preseason game I was like, "Whoa! This guys looks like an NFL quarterback!" There were no deer in his headlights. He didn't look like Kesler, or Hogan, or Kizer....or ANY of the confused looking QB's that were brought in here over the years. Nope! He looked like he'd been playing football all his life!
And then I tried to remind myself, "Look, Charlie Frye looked off DB's like a pro in his first NFL preseason game. And after that he never looked a DB off again." But the more I saw of Baker the more I thought that he might be different.
So, I was wrong about not wanting to draft Baker for a Rosen type.
And I compounded THAT wrong with another. I wanted Baker to sit...perhaps all season, or most of it...to learn the NFL properly. Ya know, instead of throwing him to the wolves before he was ready, like Manziel, Kessler, Kizer. Little did I know that Baker WAS THE WOLVES! And WAS ready.
When he ever trotted out into that Jets game, down by what, 2 TD's...with less than two minutes to go in the half....with NO WORK with the starters all TC and preseason...and in a New York second had spun his first two NFL passes for successive first downs to Browns receivers....I was like, "Yeah baby! THAT'S how you make receivers get IN the game!" - That Thursday night, the Browns changed from a team that looked like, once again, they weren't going to win a game for the rest of the year....to a team that looked like it 'might' win any game it plays in.
In less than two minutes Baker changed the energy of the team, the stadium, the announcers, and all of us at home who were not lucky enough to be sitting in that stadium being a part of that transition. That energy lasted through halftime, and NEVER changed back. When that game ended, and the losing streak was over, and it looked like we HAD our QB.....I turned the sound up to 39 on my TV! I wanted to feel like I was there. I wanted to be a part of that feeling. IT FELT GREAT
The next day at work (remember, I live in New England), I had people coming up to me everywhere I went. (we've had construction going on in the building for over a year) Hard Hats were searching me down to give me the thumbs up through my door window.
Obviously, we've taken some sideways steps since then. Baker has had a couple of games that were more rookie-like in the stats sheet. But if you watched him play those games, you never saw the deer in his headlights. Just frustration.....but a confident frustration.
Now, with Hue & Haley jettisoned, and Williams & Kitchens in charge, the team seems to have gotten yet another jolt of confidence and improvement....as if the anchors that were holding the team back are gone.
Ya know what a Hard Hat told me today in the elevator? He said, "Your team is fun to watch. I've got the package so I switch between games...but I switched to your game and I couldn't switch off of it." NOW THAT IS A SWITCH. - And I just remembered what a lady at work said to me today, "Now you can be proud to be a Browns fan." I just laughed, thanked her and walked away, 'cuz hey, I'm a proud Browns fan anyway....even through these 20 years....but it did feel nice to be a Browns fan today.
Sorry for being long winded....and thanks to anyone who plowed all the way through this diatribe.
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I wanted the guy with the best mechanics. But from the moment I saw Baker take his first snaps with the offense in his first preseason game I was like, "Whoa! This guys looks like an NFL quarterback!" There were no deer in his headlights. He didn't look like Kesler, or Hogan, or Kizer....or ANY of the confused looking QB's that were brought in here over the years. Nope! He looked like he'd been playing football all his life!
And then I tried to remind myself, "Look, Charlie Frye looked off DB's like a pro in his first NFL preseason game. And after that he never looked a DB off again." But the more I saw of Baker the more I thought that he might be different.
So, I was wrong about not wanting to draft Baker for a Rosen type.
And I compounded THAT wrong with another. I wanted Baker to sit...perhaps all season, or most of it...to learn the NFL properly. Ya know, instead of throwing him to the wolves before he was ready, like Manziel, Kessler, Kizer. Little did I know that Baker WAS THE WOLVES! And WAS ready.
When he ever trotted out into that Jets game, down by what, 2 TD's...with less than two minutes to go in the half....with NO WORK with the starters all TC and preseason...and in a New York second had spun his first two NFL passes for successive first downs to Browns receivers....I was like, "Yeah baby! THAT'S how you make receivers get IN the game!" - That Thursday night, the Browns changed from a team that looked like, once again, they weren't going to win a game for the rest of the year....to a team that looked like it 'might' win any game it plays in.
In less than two minutes Baker changed the energy of the team, the stadium, the announcers, and all of us at home who were not lucky enough to be sitting in that stadium being a part of that transition. That energy lasted through halftime, and NEVER changed back. When that game ended, and the losing streak was over, and it looked like we HAD our QB.....I turned the sound up to 39 on my TV! I wanted to feel like I was there. I wanted to be a part of that feeling. IT FELT GREAT
The next day at work (remember, I live in New England), I had people coming up to me everywhere I went. (we've had construction going on in the building for over a year) Hard Hats were searching me down to give me the thumbs up through my door window.
Obviously, we've taken some sideways steps since then. Baker has had a couple of games that were more rookie-like in the stats sheet. But if you watched him play those games, you never saw the deer in his headlights. Just frustration.....but a confident frustration.
Now, with Hue & Haley jettisoned, and Williams & Kitchens in charge, the team seems to have gotten yet another jolt of confidence and improvement....as if the anchors that were holding the team back are gone.
Ya know what a Hard Hat told me today in the elevator? He said, "Your team is fun to watch. I've got the package so I switch between games...but I switched to your game and I couldn't switch off of it." NOW THAT IS A SWITCH. - And I just remembered what a lady at work said to me today, "Now you can be proud to be a Browns fan." I just laughed, thanked her and walked away, 'cuz hey, I'm a proud Browns fan anyway....even through these 20 years....but it did feel nice to be a Browns fan today.
Sorry for being long winded....and thanks to anyone who plowed all the way through this diatribe.
When he ever trotted out into that Jets game, down by what, 2 TD's...with less than two minutes to go in the half....with NO WORK with the starters all TC and preseason...and in a New York second had spun his first two NFL passes for successive first downs to Browns receivers....I was like, "Yeah baby! THAT'S how you make receivers get IN the game!" - That Thursday night, the Browns changed from a team that looked like, once again, they weren't going to win a game for the rest of the year....to a team that looked like it 'might' win any game it plays in.
In less than two minutes Baker changed the energy of the team, the stadium, the announcers, and all of us at home who were not lucky enough to be sitting in that stadium being a part of that transition. That energy lasted through halftime, and NEVER changed back. When that game ended, and the losing streak was over, and it looked like we HAD our QB.....I turned the sound up to 39 on my TV! I wanted to feel like I was there. I wanted to be a part of that feeling. IT FELT GREAT
It was even more noticeable in the stadium. The first pass he completed downfield was thrown so hard and looked so good it kinda stunned the stadium. Then he did it again on the next play and it was then that the energy in that stadium seriously changed. So glad that I was lucky enough to be in the stadium that night.
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Really? Cause i think its spot on. Dude was getting crushed for weeks while this o line figured shit out. To perservere through that and play at this level? I mean fuck i was wantin the browns to shut him diwn for the season a few weeks ago so our #6 next year wasnt a kicker/punter........im absolutely floored by this kid.
As fun as yesterday was, last week was the telling game. Dude was gamed for one half by a good DC. Came out slinging the 2nd half. And he wasnt smiling and yucking it up on the sideline that at 1st half.
Best qb ive seen in a browns uni in my lifetime and with not the greatest assets around him. We need to find him a wr he can spoon with for years to come. That guy that they finish each others sentences
In particular...the line where you say..."baker is a set of cock and balls and I love it"
Not there is anything wrong with that.
..."baker is a set of cock and balls and I love it
I stored this in a folder since March 2nd.. https://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2018/03/baker_mayfield_nfl_combine.html not many have had the balls of "Undraftable" wanting to play in Cleveland. Some doubted his words but... Baker Mayfield never doubted his words nor his football talents...he's been a blast to watch since the jets game..
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Of course it qualifies for the modern era anything post 1920 is modern
Gipper follows his own rules that he insists are right no matter how much no one else ever uses them.
Gipper follows his own rules that he insists are right no matter how much no one else ever uses them.
They are not my rules they are just the rules show me where some motherfucker has declared where any “on “modern football had begun tell me where the NFL has declared that to be an official decree
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Most people consider the modern age the super bowl era.
Most people consider the modern age the super bowl era.
Again show me where that was an official decree
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Most people consider the modern age the super bowl era.
Or post WWII, at least.
Or post WWII, at least.
Show me where that was an official decree
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Gipper follows his own rules that he insists are right no matter how much no one else ever uses them.
They are not my rules they are just the rules show me where some motherfucker has declared where any “on “modern football had begun tell me where the NFL has declared that to be an official decree
They are not my rules they are just the rules show me where some motherfucker has declared where any “on “modern football had begun tell me where the NFL has declared that to be an official decree
Gip, you're the only one who cares about that crap. So it's not an "official" decree. But for all intents and purposes, it's a practical one. Like "the post WW II" era, a marker in time. You want to say every war was just another war since David and the Israelites fought the Philistines? Same difference. The game of Otto Graham and the 50's Browns isn't the same as the game being played by 2018 teams. Bigger, stronger, faster. Dick Modelewski played defensive end at 220 pounds. By today's standards, he'd be a very light linebacker. 50 yard field goals were rare back then, now they've gotten routine. They can't move the goalposts back any farther, they'll have to shrink them. I'd have to wonder if the greatest player of his era- Jim Thorpe could even make it as a kick returner today. Though he was bigger than I thought- 6'1" 203. Free safety? His "records" in the 1912 Olympics are pathetically slow, or low- by current standards. Usain Bolt has him beat by three seconds in the 200, and the current record in the 1,500 is a full minute faster than Thorpe's time. You can't train fast.
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He's the first browns quarterback since Bernie Kosar to record a touchdown in each of his first ten games. He's keeping some rarified company within the organization, as he's passed Otto Graham for most TDs thrown by a Browns rookie.
He's the first browns quarterback since Bernie Kosar to record a touchdown in each of his first ten games. He's keeping some rarified company within the organization, as he's passed Otto Graham for most TDs thrown by a Browns rookie.
And if we factor in how many consecutive games this franchise went without a win prior to the first game Baker appeared in (and overcame a deficit) - even more remarkable!
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Gipper follows his own rules that he insists are right no matter how much no one else ever uses them.
They are not my rules they are just the rules show me where some motherfucker has declared where any “on “modern football had begun tell me where the NFL has declared that to be an official decree
They are not my rules they are just the rules show me where some motherfucker has declared where any “on “modern football had begun tell me where the NFL has declared that to be an official decree
The fact that they keep separate records, especially relating to championships, since 1970 should be all you need.
Early man walked away as modern man took control. Their minds weren't all the same and to conquer was their goal. So He built his great empires and he slaughtered his own kind, and he died a confused man and killed himself in his own mind... -
I was referring to Otto's team record... which does not "modern era" qualify.
First, playing the Johnny card is a bridge too far. Many here, including me, thought we were gonna get what we got.
Second, "physically the best"? Certainly not the strongest arm, but considering legs as well??? I can get there-ish. Throw in mechanics and I'm very convincible.
U sure about the arm thing? That first pass of the game convinced me he's got easily the best arm we've had since 99. 62 yds on a med rope, on the money? I mean, maybe weedon tech had the arm for that but it would have landed out of bounds. But coach said in that article they've seen alot longer than 63 yds in practice
U sure about the arm thing? That first pass of the game convinced me he's got easily the best arm we've had since 99. 62 yds on a med rope, on the money? I mean, maybe weedon tech had the arm for that but it would have landed out of bounds. But coach said in that article they've seen alot longer than 63 yds in practice
Yes, I am sure. Baker's throwing velocity comes from his base and flows up to and thru his arm. From his knees I'm not sure he could sling it 45-yd.
As others pointed out, Wheezy and DA had stronger arms. I'd add Jason Campbell to the list.
Most people consider the modern age the super bowl era.
Or at least post color TV...
Note that Gip demands proof while offering none.
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They are not my rules they are just the rules show me where some motherfucker has declared where any “on “modern football had begun tell me where the NFL has declared that to be an official decree
Gip, you're the only one who cares about that crap. So it's not an "official" decree. But for all intents and purposes, it's a practical one. Like "the post WW II" era, a marker in time. You want to say every war was just another war since David and the Israelites fought the Philistines? Same difference. The game of Otto Graham and the 50's Browns isn't the same as the game being played by 2018 teams. Bigger, stronger, faster. Dick Modelewski played defensive end at 220 pounds. By today's standards, he'd be a very light linebacker. 50 yard field goals were rare back then, now they've gotten routine. They can't move the goalposts back any farther, they'll have to shrink them. I'd have to wonder if the greatest player of his era- Jim Thorpe could even make it as a kick returner today. Though he was bigger than I thought- 6'1" 203. Free safety? His "records" in the 1912 Olympics are pathetically slow, or low- by current standards. Usain Bolt has him beat by three seconds in the 200, and the current record in the 1,500 is a full minute faster than Thorpe's time. You can't train fast.
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Pro Football Hall of Fame considers 1945 the beginning of the modern era.
I don't think you get your wrist slapped with a ruler if you personally consider 1920, 1932 or 1960 the Modern Era. But I go with the HOF.
If you mean "Super Bowl Era" then say "Super Bowl Era" or you can argue with Gipper for a page and a half.
Zombo
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They are not my rules they are just the rules show me where some motherfucker has declared where any “on “modern football had begun tell me where the NFL has declared that to be an official decree
Gip, you're the only one who cares about that crap. So it's not an "official" decree. But for all intents and purposes, it's a practical one. Like "the post WW II" era, a marker in time. You want to say every war was just another war since David and the Israelites fought the Philistines? Same difference. The game of Otto Graham and the 50's Browns isn't the same as the game being played by 2018 teams. Bigger, stronger, faster. Dick Modelewski played defensive end at 220 pounds. By today's standards, he'd be a very light linebacker. 50 yard field goals were rare back then, now they've gotten routine. They can't move the goalposts back any farther, they'll have to shrink them. I'd have to wonder if the greatest player of his era- Jim Thorpe could even make it as a kick returner today. Though he was bigger than I thought- 6'1" 203. Free safety? His "records" in the 1912 Olympics are pathetically slow, or low- by current standards. Usain Bolt has him beat by three seconds in the 200, and the current record in the 1,500 is a full minute faster than Thorpe's time. You can't train fast.
Gip, you're the only one who cares about that crap. So it's not an "official" decree. But for all intents and purposes, it's a practical one.
No it isn't....there is no practicality to it at all....merely arbitrary because people are too dumb to study history....and only know what has gone on in their own short, miserable lives. Many people here probably do not remember a time when there were no Jacksonville Jags or Carolina Panthers in the league.....so, no, its just arbitrary.
Like "the post WW II" era, a marker in time.
Why is WWII any more of a marker than WWI? Its not...it is just more recent.
You want to say every war was just another war since David and the Israelites fought the Philistines? Same difference.
How about the Civil War....that war is actually still having as much impact on American Society as WWII is...really...I see it...with these fucktards going around with their confederate and nazi flags.
The game of Otto Graham and the 50's Browns isn't the same as the game being played by 2018 teams. Bigger, stronger, faster.
Perhaps true.....but the games played in the 70s and 80s had more in common with the 50s game than they do with today's game.
Dick Modelewski played defensive end at 220 pounds. By today's standards, he'd be a very light linebacker. 50 yard field goals were rare back then, now they've gotten routine. They can't move the goalposts back any farther, they'll have to shrink them. I'd have to wonder if the greatest player of his era- Jim Thorpe could even make it as a kick returner today. Though he was bigger than I thought- 6'1" 203. Free safety? His "records" in the 1912 Olympics are pathetically slow, or low- by current standards. Usain Bolt has him beat by three seconds in the 200, and the current record in the 1,500 is a full minute faster than Thorpe's time. You can't train fast. (I disagree with this vehemently...yes, you can)
Sure, training methods have been improved....but an even bigger difference is: money. But that too is just arbitrary. You can't just shut off a sports history because there is now more money....or better training and nutrition. Otto Graham was bigger than Drew Brees and Baker Mayfield...even if the linemen in front of them are now bigger (fatter?)....Jim Brown was bigger than Todd Gurley and Ezekiel Elliott...and likely faster.
I mean....are we to do this with each sport? Nothing in baseball counts before they broke into divisions in 1967? (OK, the careers of Babe Ruth, Gehrig, Dimaggio, Mays, Mantle, Wagner etc etc. do not count). Nothing in the NBA counts until after the merger with the ABA (so throw out the careers of Russell, Cousy, Chamberlain, Petit etc.) Nothing in Hocky counts until after the merger with the WHA (Gordie Howe, Maurice Richard, Esposito, Mikita...all of you can fuck off now.
No....ain't buying no arbitrary cutoff time just for the sake of lazy thinking.
One other point: do you know when the record for most passing yards in a game was set...and still exists? LIke 1951....with all the pass happiness we have now....they still knew how to pass the ball for a lot of yards then. And Don Hutson had 99 pass TD receptions in 11 years between 1935-1945....and only 9 players have more at this point...all of whom played longer careers:
Rank Player TD Years Tm 1 Jerry Rice+ 197 1985-2004 3TM 2 Randy Moss+ 156 1998-2012 5TM 3 Terrell Owens+ 153 1996-2010 5TM 4 Cris Carter+ 130 1987-2002 3TM 5 Marvin Harrison+ 128 1996-2008 clt 6 Antonio Gates 116 2003-2018 sdg 7 Larry Fitzgerald 115 2004-2018 crd 8 Tony Gonzalez 111 1997-2013 2TM 9 Tim Brown+ 100 1988-2004 2TM Steve Largent+ 100 1976-1989 sea 11 Don Hutson+ 99 1935-1945 gnb
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