Another feather in the cap of Mayfield
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Most people consider the modern age the super bowl era.
Or at least post color TV...
Note that Gip demands proof while offering none.
Bullshit....I showed two examples above. Hutson...he was not at all segregated from later players........and the passing record....still standing, again not segregated. I can give you hundreds of other examples if you like.
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Pro Football Hall of Fame considers 1945 the beginning of the modern era.
I don't think you get your wrist slapped with a ruler if you personally consider 1920, 1932 or 1960 the Modern Era. But I go with the HOF.
If you mean "Super Bowl Era" then say "Super Bowl Era" or you can argue with Gipper for a page and a half.
Zombo
Zombo said:
Pro Football Hall of Fame considers 1945 the beginning of the modern era.
I don't think you get your wrist slapped with a ruler if you personally consider 1920, 1932 or 1960 the Modern Era. But I go with the HOF.
If you mean "Super Bowl Era" then say "Super Bowl Era" or you can argue with Gipper for a page and a half. (and lose)
Zombo
I don't recall ever seeing that. Is that on their website?
I know that the HOF does list players as pre-modern...but that is only because of their positions. So many early players played both ways is why they did that. A guy would play both OC and DT......and like Sammy Baugh, he would play QB and then go play safety....and also punt. But I don't know if WWII is the cutoff.....example: Chuck Bednarik.
But that does NOT mean that their careers should be counted as non-existent....like it seems that some of these assburgers here want to do.
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Leaders
I does not say most passing yards in game since 1970...or any other arbitrary date.
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U sure about the arm thing? That first pass of the game convinced me he's got easily the best arm we've had since 99. 62 yds on a med rope, on the money? I mean, maybe weedon tech had the arm for that but it would have landed out of bounds. But coach said in that article they've seen alot longer than 63 yds in practice
Mayfield has the best arm in when considering arm strength AND accuracy.
Weeden and Derek Anderson had stronger arms, but weren't accurate and possessed zero ability to put touch on the ball.
Mayfield has the best arm in when considering arm strength AND accuracy.
Weeden and Derek Anderson had stronger arms, but weren't accurate and possessed zero ability to put touch on the ball.
I will admit, because we have had so damn many qb's, that often its a struggle to rem them right. Especially DA, that feels like civil war era history. But weedon is still somewhat fresh ob the mind......and that first throw from baker to my foggy recollection, looked as good as anything i ever saw weedon throw. And to hear coach say essentially that they've seen alot longer than that in practice? If weedon had a stronger arm we might be parsing kunt hairs....
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Zombo said:
Pro Football Hall of Fame considers 1945 the beginning of the modern era.
I don't think you get your wrist slapped with a ruler if you personally consider 1920, 1932 or 1960 the Modern Era. But I go with the HOF.
If you mean "Super Bowl Era" then say "Super Bowl Era" or you can argue with Gipper for a page and a half. (and lose)
Zombo
I don't recall ever seeing that. Is that on their website?
I know that the HOF does list players as pre-modern...but that is only because of their positions. So many early players played both ways is why they did that. A guy would play both OC and DT......and like Sammy Baugh, he would play QB and then go play safety....and also punt. But I don't know if WWII is the cutoff.....example: Chuck Bednarik.
But that does NOT mean that their careers should be counted as non-existent....like it seems that some of these assburgers here want to do.
I don't recall ever seeing that. Is that on their website?
I know that the HOF does list players as pre-modern...but that is only because of their positions. So many early players played both ways is why they did that. A guy would play both OC and DT......and like Sammy Baugh, he would play QB and then go play safety....and also punt. But I don't know if WWII is the cutoff.....example: Chuck Bednarik.
But that does NOT mean that their careers should be counted as non-existent....like it seems that some of these assburgers here want to do.
I never said they didn't count, or didn't exist. By current NFL standards, it was a long time ago in a galaxy far away.
Look up the stats of Van Brocklin, Baugh, and Graham. They're pretty average (55% completions, 70-80 qbrs) compared to any of today's top quaterbacks. Jim Brown was great in his era, but he was running over runt defenders. IIRC, Geno Marchetti was the first DL to top 300 pounds.
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I don't recall ever seeing that. Is that on their website?
I know that the HOF does list players as pre-modern...but that is only because of their positions. So many early players played both ways is why they did that. A guy would play both OC and DT......and like Sammy Baugh, he would play QB and then go play safety....and also punt. But I don't know if WWII is the cutoff.....example: Chuck Bednarik.
But that does NOT mean that their careers should be counted as non-existent....like it seems that some of these assburgers here want to do.
I never said they didn't count, or didn't exist. By current NFL standards, it was a long time ago in a galaxy far away.
Look up the stats of Van Brocklin, Baugh, and Graham. They're pretty average (55% completions, 70-80 qbrs) compared to any of today's top quaterbacks. Jim Brown was great in his era, but he was running over runt defenders. IIRC, Geno Marchetti was the first DL to top 300 pounds.
I never said they didn't count, or didn't exist. By current NFL standards, it was a long time ago in a galaxy far away.
Look up the stats of Van Brocklin, Baugh, and Graham. They're pretty average (55% completions, 70-80 qbrs) compared to any of today's top quaterbacks. Jim Brown was great in his era, but he was running over runt defenders. IIRC, Geno Marchetti was the first DL to top 300 pounds.
Look at Bradshaw, Stabler, Staubach, Namath. Starr, etc. even Montana, Marino, Elway. Compared to todays top QBs. Don't you get it...they have changed the rules to favor the QBs today. It is not that these guys are any better really....its just that they are far more protected. .....And to a certain extent, far more likely to dink and dunk, so yea, completion pcts. will be a lot better.
And Jim Brown would have run over today's defenders as well as any RB playing today. Even then he was bigger, stronger, faster than the RBs playing today.
6'2 232. Gurley 6'1 231. Elliott 6.0 225.
And look at the career leaders in passer rating:
nk Player Rate Years Tm 1 Aaron Rodgers 103.4 2005-2018 gnb 2 Russell Wilson 100.1 2012-2018 sea 3 Drew Brees 97.8 2001-2018 2TM 4 Tom Brady 97.6 2000-2018 nwe 5 Tony Romo 97.1 2004-2016 dal 6 Steve Young+ 96.8 1985-1999 2TM 7 Peyton Manning 96.5 1998-2015 2TM 8 Philip Rivers 96.0 2004-2018 sdg 9 Kirk Cousins 94.6 2012-2018 2TM Matt Ryan 94.6 2008-2018 atl 11 Only Steve Young played before the 2000s.
So, that particular stat is skewed.
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Is it me, or is there a lot of dick and cock talk on this board?
It's even rubbed off on me.
See I just did it again.
Is it me, or is there a lot of dick and cock talk on this board?
It's even rubbed off on me.
See I just did it again.
You need to bring your virility and testosterone when you come in here, matey.
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I don't recall ever seeing that. Is that on their website?
I know that the HOF does list players as pre-modern...but that is only because of their positions. So many early players played both ways is why they did that. A guy would play both OC and DT......and like Sammy Baugh, he would play QB and then go play safety....and also punt. But I don't know if WWII is the cutoff.....example: Chuck Bednarik.
But that does NOT mean that their careers should be counted as non-existent....like it seems that some of these assburgers here want to do.
I never said they didn't count, or didn't exist. By current NFL standards, it was a long time ago in a galaxy far away.
Look up the stats of Van Brocklin, Baugh, and Graham. They're pretty average (55% completions, 70-80 qbrs) compared to any of today's top quaterbacks. Jim Brown was great in his era, but he was running over runt defenders. IIRC, Geno Marchetti was the first DL to top 300 pounds.
I never said they didn't count, or didn't exist. By current NFL standards, it was a long time ago in a galaxy far away.
Look up the stats of Van Brocklin, Baugh, and Graham. They're pretty average (55% completions, 70-80 qbrs) compared to any of today's top quaterbacks. Jim Brown was great in his era, but he was running over runt defenders. IIRC, Geno Marchetti was the first DL to top 300 pounds.
Not Marchetti, it was probably Big Daddy Liscomb from that DLine.
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I don't recall ever seeing that. Is that on their website?
I know that the HOF does list players as pre-modern...but that is only because of their positions. So many early players played both ways is why they did that. A guy would play both OC and DT......and like Sammy Baugh, he would play QB and then go play safety....and also punt. But I don't know if WWII is the cutoff.....example: Chuck Bednarik.
But that does NOT mean that their careers should be counted as non-existent....like it seems that some of these assburgers here want to do.
I never said they didn't count, or didn't exist. By current NFL standards, it was a long time ago in a galaxy far away.
Look up the stats of Van Brocklin, Baugh, and Graham. They're pretty average (55% completions, 70-80 qbrs) compared to any of today's top quaterbacks. Jim Brown was great in his era, but he was running over runt defenders. IIRC, Geno Marchetti was the first DL to top 300 pounds.
Look up the stats of Van Brocklin, Baugh, and Graham. They're pretty average (55% completions, 70-80 qbrs) compared to any of today's top quaterbacks.
Jim Brown was great in his era, but he was running over runt defenders. IIRC, Geno Marchetti was the first DL to top 300 pounds.
For one thing the football of the early era was nowhere near the dart it is today... much "rounder" and harder to grip. Then there are the rules and the coverages to consider.
Not Marchetti, it was probably Big Daddy Liscomb from that DLine.
Pretty sure neither Big Daddy or Art Donovan, another famously rotund DT who played for the Colts, ever played at 300. I think Detroit's Roger Brown was the first DT to top 300 regularly and play at a high level.
300#-ers were around in the 50's (even Paul Brown had one, I forget the name), but were more of a novelty. Read an article once that as recently as 1970 there was only one player in the NFL to top 300.
Reminds me of a Chuck Noll quote that filled the screen while the old PC game, NFL Head Coach, loaded. Went something like...
"Some coaches pray for wisdom. I pray for 270 pound Offensive Tackles... they'll make me seem wise."
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