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We Need To Keep Lamar Jackson In The Pocket

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  • Pep can hunt him. Only way lamar pulls him is if he gets a rolling start...if pep jumps first, he can catch lamar before he hits that final gear. The usdue is, he "has" to make the tackle when he gets there or the slippery kunt is gone

    @clevfan4life said:

    Pep can hunt him. Only way lamar pulls him is if he gets a rolling start...if pep jumps first, he can catch lamar before he hits that final gear. The usdue is, he "has" to make the tackle when he gets there or the slippery kunt is gone

    Probably the best way to handle  Jackson's ass is to keep him in the pocket.

  • To be honest, Lamar Jackson doesn't scare me. What scares me is the Ravens' defense. The Ravens haven't been winning shootouts, they've been winning because their defense is putting the squadoosh down on fools. 

  • To be honest, Lamar Jackson doesn't scare me. What scares me is the Ravens' defense. The Ravens haven't been winning shootouts, they've been winning because their defense is putting the squadoosh down on fools. 

    @jiggins7919 said:

    To be honest, Lamar Jackson doesn't scare me. What scares me is the Ravens' defense. The Ravens haven't been winning shootouts, they've been winning because their defense is putting the squadoosh down on fools. 

    Hopefully Baker takes a taste of Houston into the game. He’s a pretty quick student, learns by his mistakes and should be able to get a lead to protect with some ball control and D getting turnovers.. We win 17-13, easy peasy

  • To be honest, Lamar Jackson doesn't scare me. What scares me is the Ravens' defense. The Ravens haven't been winning shootouts, they've been winning because their defense is putting the squadoosh down on fools. 

    @jiggins7919 said:

    To be honest, Lamar Jackson doesn't scare me. What scares me is the Ravens' defense. The Ravens haven't been winning shootouts, they've been winning because their defense is putting the squadoosh down on fools. 

    True....which also means that the Browns defense has to step up.    First game between them was 12-9 in OT.  It would not surprise me if we have something similar.

  • Message to 3G.. Please put a spy on Black Tebow.. I want someone shadowing that Fraud of QB at all times... I DO NOT WANT TO SEE THAT GUY RUNNING ALL OVER OUR DEFENSE. Get it DONE Cleveland!!

    @nickers said:

    Message to 3G.. Please put a spy on Black Tebow.. I want someone shadowing that Fraud of QB at all times... I DO NOT WANT TO SEE THAT GUY RUNNING ALL OVER OUR DEFENSE. Get it DONE Cleveland!!

    He is another Black Tarkenton. If he is forced to win with his arm, he won't. These kinds of QBs never do. Garrett will have a field day with this clown.

  • Pep is probably our best option to spy Lamar

    But our best option to slow down Lamar is probably our DEs playing contain and pressuring him up the middle. Our edge defenders have to be smart and not get sucked in. 

  • @nickers said:

    Message to 3G.. Please put a spy on Black Tebow.. I want someone shadowing that Fraud of QB at all times... I DO NOT WANT TO SEE THAT GUY RUNNING ALL OVER OUR DEFENSE. Get it DONE Cleveland!!

    He is another Black Tarkenton. If he is forced to win with his arm, he won't. These kinds of QBs never do. Garrett will have a field day with this clown.

    @ghoolie said:

    He is another Black Tarkenton. If he is forced to win with his arm, he won't. These kinds of QBs never do. Garrett will have a field day with this clown.

    We have gone away from black Tarkenton we are now onto black Tebow

  • Pep is probably our best option to spy Lamar

    But our best option to slow down Lamar is probably our DEs playing contain and pressuring him up the middle. Our edge defenders have to be smart and not get sucked in. 

    @mld-woody said:

    Pep is probably our best option to spy Lamar

    But our best option to slow down Lamar is probably our DEs playing contain and pressuring him up the middle. Our edge defenders have to be smart and not get sucked in. 

    Yes that is what I said

  • @ghoolie said:

    He is another Black Tarkenton. If he is forced to win with his arm, he won't. These kinds of QBs never do. Garrett will have a field day with this clown.

    We have gone away from black Tarkenton we are now onto black Tebow

    @the-gipper said:

    We have gone away from black Tarkenton we are now onto black Tebow

    Well, my term Black Tarkenton is not a racist slur, nor a hidden thought of what I think of black QBs. I loved Moon and McNair, and am impressed with Mahomes and Sam Arnold.

    The term replies to a black kid who had his speed exploited in youth football, and was never taught like white kids are, to pass first.

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  • @jiggins7919 said:

    To be honest, Lamar Jackson doesn't scare me. What scares me is the Ravens' defense. The Ravens haven't been winning shootouts, they've been winning because their defense is putting the squadoosh down on fools. 

    True....which also means that the Browns defense has to step up.    First game between them was 12-9 in OT.  It would not surprise me if we have something similar.

    @the-gipper said:

    True....which also means that the Browns defense has to step up.    First game between them was 12-9 in OT.  It would not surprise me if we have something similar.

    Man, I hope both of you guys are right.  We're going to need turnovers to win IMO, and we've had CHANCES lately, but we're not finishing the darn plays.  We dropped the easiest INT ever when two players kind of fought over it, we forced a fumble but didn't have anyone around to jump on it, and Myles Garrett continues to get the award for "almost had a sack".  Again, I'm not hating on Myles, but if the goal of the game was to get as CLOSE to the QB without actually bringing him down, he'd be the best of all time.  I've never in my life seen a guy "almost get a sack" so many times in one season, and if Myles thought that DRISKELL was hard to bring down, then he's in for a treat this Sunday.  Here's something else, and I could be wrong, so don't bite my head off, but going back to Texans game, I don't think we've recovered a single fumble that we've forced, and I can think of at least 5-6.  When you play a running QB, the chance of fumbles goes up exponentially, especially if they run pitch or option plays.  Additionally, Lamar is going to under-throw several passes, or over-throw a few, and we HAVE to snatch those.  No more dropped INT's!  (I'm talking to YOU Collins)

    And you know what we REALLY NEED?  How about a freaking defensive or special teams touchdown?  How many teams in the league don't have one of those?  I know WE don't, but I wonder how many others don't either.  You would think that a team that did so well with turnovers would take at least ONE of them home, but you'd be wrong.  Let's break that streak during the last game of the year.  

  • Teams that play us practice for "almost get a sack" Garrett. They must get the ball out within 2.5 seconds or less. They all have a short passing gameplan and prefer it because of what can happen if they try going with longer timed patterns too often. Add Josh Allen of Ky. to the mix and this can get to be really fun to see who gets there first. Ogunjobi is getting better and better at it the more games he gets under his belt.

  • Teams that play us practice for "almost get a sack" Garrett. They must get the ball out within 2.5 seconds or less. They all have a short passing gameplan and prefer it because of what can happen if they try going with longer timed patterns too often. Add Josh Allen of Ky. to the mix and this can get to be really fun to see who gets there first. Ogunjobi is getting better and better at it the more games he gets under his belt.

    @texasag1969 said:

    Teams that play us practice for "almost get a sack" Garrett. They must get the ball out within 2.5 seconds or less. They all have a short passing gameplan and prefer it because of what can happen if they try going with longer timed patterns too often. Add Josh Allen of Ky. to the mix and this can get to be really fun to see who gets there first. Ogunjobi is getting better and better at it the more games he gets under his belt.

    Josh Allen, OLB of Kentucky is definitely an interesting prospect to imagine plugging into our defense. 

    We might have played ourselves out of being able to draft him, though. 

  • Lamar can pass much better than Tebow could...

    Run better too

    @mld-woody said:

    Lamar can pass much better than Tebow could...

    Run better too

    Yeah, Ghoolie's Black Tarkenton is a better fit. Tebow was a linebacker who thought he was a quarterback.

  • @the-gipper said:

    We have gone away from black Tarkenton we are now onto black Tebow

    Well, my term Black Tarkenton is not a racist slur, nor a hidden thought of what I think of black QBs. I loved Moon and McNair, and am impressed with Mahomes and Sam Arnold.

    The term replies to a black kid who had his speed exploited in youth football, and was never taught like white kids are, to pass first.

    @ghoolie said:

    Well, my term Black Tarkenton is not a racist slur, nor a hidden thought of what I think of black QBs. I loved Moon and McNair, and am impressed with Mahomes and Sam Arnold.

    The term replies to a black kid who had his speed exploited in youth football, and was never taught like white kids are, to pass first.

    Sam Arnold?

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    He's not helpless from the pocket.  Should be a great game. 

    Interesting stat.  When Lamar won the Heisman,  he had more rushing yards and passing yards in that season than Vick had his entire college career combined. 

  • @the-gipper said:

    We have gone away from black Tarkenton we are now onto black Tebow

    Well, my term Black Tarkenton is not a racist slur, nor a hidden thought of what I think of black QBs. I loved Moon and McNair, and am impressed with Mahomes and Sam Arnold.

    The term replies to a black kid who had his speed exploited in youth football, and was never taught like white kids are, to pass first.

    @ghoolie said:

    Well, my term Black Tarkenton is not a racist slur, nor a hidden thought of what I think of black QBs. I loved Moon and McNair, and am impressed with Mahomes and Sam Arnold.

    The term replies to a black kid who had his speed exploited in youth football, and was never taught like white kids are, to pass first.

    A.  Sam (D)Arnold is white.

    B. Who are some White Byron Leftwiches.....he was taught to pass first, as he had no speed whatsoever.

  • @ghoolie said:

    Well, my term Black Tarkenton is not a racist slur, nor a hidden thought of what I think of black QBs. I loved Moon and McNair, and am impressed with Mahomes and Sam Arnold.

    The term replies to a black kid who had his speed exploited in youth football, and was never taught like white kids are, to pass first.

    A.  Sam (D)Arnold is white.

    B. Who are some White Byron Leftwiches.....he was taught to pass first, as he had no speed whatsoever.

    @the-gipper said:

    A.  Sam (D)Arnold is white.

    B. Who are some White Byron Leftwiches.....he was taught to pass first, as he had no speed whatsoever.

    B: Start with Bernie Kosar.  🙂  

  • @the-gipper said:

    A.  Sam (D)Arnold is white.

    B. Who are some White Byron Leftwiches.....he was taught to pass first, as he had no speed whatsoever.

    B: Start with Bernie Kosar.  🙂  

    @hoorta said:

    B: Start with Bernie Kosar.  🙂  

    Kosars release was much better than Byron Leftwich.. Bernie could sling it from anywhere on the dial so to speak.. overhand/underhand/ sidearm, etc... and with deadly accuracy... Leftwich could hit the broad side of a garage...

  • @ghoolie said:

    Well, my term Black Tarkenton is not a racist slur, nor a hidden thought of what I think of black QBs. I loved Moon and McNair, and am impressed with Mahomes and Sam Arnold.

    The term replies to a black kid who had his speed exploited in youth football, and was never taught like white kids are, to pass first.

    A.  Sam (D)Arnold is white.

    B. Who are some White Byron Leftwiches.....he was taught to pass first, as he had no speed whatsoever.

    @the-gipper said:

    A.  Sam (D)Arnold is white.

    B. Who are some White Byron Leftwiches.....he was taught to pass first, as he had no speed whatsoever.

    Gips, my old pal, as you and I head into a New Year, I am nudging you to get a little better grip on my tongue-in-cheek humor. Calling Sam D'Arnold black was a joke about color not meaning crap as far as a man's value. black, white, we are all loved equally by the one who counts.

    I don't think that ethnicity lends any extra probability or unlikelihood of becoming a great or a lousy QB. Your example of Leftwich expands this conversation, for you are correct, he is not a run-first, (black Tarkenton) are I lament. I do maintain that at some early level, whether it is peepee or High School, coaches are prone to harvesting black kids who are fleet of foot and who shoe some ball-throwing ability and creating the running QB that we see so much now in college.

    I believe that Kordell Stewart was the pioneered role-model for this type of QB. Clearly, the imagined upsides are mind-boggling. The true cyborg QB who can throw 80 yards or run 80 yards makes heads spin. The ratio of run first QBs is inarguably heavily weighted in the ration of Blacks versus Whites. Let's interject Leftwich here. As you pointed out, he is not really fleet of foot, but IS a pocket passer. But as far as blacks go, you must admit, he is not the norm. However, white QBs who ARE pocket passers and not fleet of foot are pretty common.

    So what does that mean? That all blacks are fast and inaccurate passers, and whites are slow and more accurate? Nope. I believe it means coaches, the system, does not assess black QBs the same as they do whites. I think it is racism, or at least a  different light bulb that goes off in a coaches head when he sees a Kordell Stewart type kid. 

    I honestly believe that the slow-footed, black Kosar type kid, the Leftwich type black player seldom gets picked to play QB.   

    So, my phrase, "Black Tarkenton" strike some as being racist, it is not, and I am not. I do however think that run-first QBs are ALL shit QBs. Not one of them has ever held up through the playoffs and won a SB. Nor do I believe will one ever. The fact that run-first QBs seem to all be black doesn't make me racist. I hate the run-first QB because of the implications and shortcomings. It isn't my fault that these primarily tend to be blacks. Also FWIW, I despised Tarkenton and think he is the model of what a QB should NOT be. The fucking guy was in 4 Superbowls, and he got his ass kicked in all 4. Just like the Black Tarkentons, he put up all kinds of numbers, and created excitement. But, when it counted, like all run-first QBs, he turned to shit.