Cribbs a Holdout? - NFL.Com
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Reality check time.. Josh signed a contract to give him some financial security, $6.7 million ain't chump change...
He's not a secret anymore and teams are game planning him in the kicking game... Kick it out of bounds and his threat is somewhat minimized... On kickoffs, put it deep in the end zone and most of the time you'll be able to contain him....
His role in the offense is intriging but to date it hasn't produced anything for us.... He hasn't played a down on defense so his value there is mere speculation... He's a beast on special teams but then again he's highly compensated for that ability ($6.7mil)...
The Browns could let him sit out for the next few years and his security blanket would be wiped out... The current FO has no obligations to honor any verbal deals struck by those who have been fired.....
I want Cribbs on my team, I think he's special but Cribbs also was the one who signed on the dotted line painting himself into a corner... This team doesn't need the distractions and a holdout would only diminish his value to the team not increase his value....
peace
T.Dawg
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In all fairness, the contract he signed was for his then-current role. Now he is both looking and being asked to do more, so I don't blame him for trying to get a new contract.
The only way I'd make it new would be to add performance-based bonuses if he meets goals in these new, expanded role. The current contract terms for his work as a KR/PR stay the same.
No way I just give the guy a bigger contract based on the fact he 'might' play defense and offense, though.
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With the right coach Cribbs could be a dangerous weapon and I think Mangini fits the role.
I don't think he deserves a bigger contract yet but I hope they can get something worked out.
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With the right coach Cribbs could be a dangerous weapon and I think Mangini fits the role.
I don't think he deserves a bigger contract yet but I hope they can get something worked out.
With the right coach Cribbs could be a dangerous weapon and I think Mangini fits the role.
I don't think he deserves a bigger contract yet but I hope they can get something worked out.
I agree. As a special team player he is paid well. It isn't like he is a Hester who also caught 50 passes for the team.
Play this year in a expanded role, then see where the contract numbers go.
I would point blank tell him and his agent we won't change the numbers at this point, he won't be traded, so he can play or sit...the choice is his. Negotiations over.
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With the right coach Cribbs could be a dangerous weapon and I think Mangini fits the role.
I don't think he deserves a bigger contract yet but I hope they can get something worked out.
I agree. As a special team player he is paid well. It isn't like he is a Hester who also caught 50 passes for the team.
Play this year in a expanded role, then see where the contract numbers go.
I would point blank tell him and his agent we won't change the numbers at this point, he won't be traded, so he can play or sit...the choice is his. Negotiations over.
I agree. As a special team player he is paid well. It isn't like he is a Hester who also caught 50 passes for the team.
Play this year in a expanded role, then see where the contract numbers go.
I would point blank tell him and his agent we won't change the numbers at this point, he won't be traded, so he can play or sit...the choice is his. Negotiations over.
Exactly right. Show the team he is worth "beyond" his now excellent special teams money this season, THEN negotiate.
Mike
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With the right coach Cribbs could be a dangerous weapon and I think Mangini fits the role.
I don't think he deserves a bigger contract yet but I hope they can get something worked out.
I agree. As a special team player he is paid well. It isn't like he is a Hester who also caught 50 passes for the team.
Play this year in a expanded role, then see where the contract numbers go.
I would point blank tell him and his agent we won't change the numbers at this point, he won't be traded, so he can play or sit...the choice is his. Negotiations over.
I agree. As a special team player he is paid well. It isn't like he is a Hester who also caught 50 passes for the team.
Play this year in a expanded role, then see where the contract numbers go.
I would point blank tell him and his agent we won't change the numbers at this point, he won't be traded, so he can play or sit...the choice is his. Negotiations over.
I agree with most of what you've said, 'peen. However, let me disagree with you on the point about Hester. He is every bit of Hester.
Let me explain: 1) As a return man, he is on par with Hester. 2) There is no way Cribbs had as many touches as Hester did in the Bears offense.
Now there are two schools of thought on this: 1) Cribbs wasn't good enough to get on the field for the Browns OR 2) The Browns coaches underutilized Cribbs on offense.
I choose to believe in #2. Add that to the fact that Hester got paid and there was a supposed promise for Cribbs to see a new payday and there you go.
When the smoke clears with this one, I think that Cribbs will be in camp on the existing contract with assurances that he'll have an opportunity to prove himself on the field (offense, ST, defense?) to earn a higher salary.
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Cribbs is a baller...when push comes to shove I expect Cribbs to be in camp and ready to play....A true baller plays regardless of contract status because "they love the game"...Yes I know todays athlete is vastly different...However...no one likes sitting out and not getting paid regardless of the sum accrued...That being said...I really dont think theres much to worry about...No one player is the team....
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I don't like whiners who "threaten" to hold out. Your selling our your teamates. You signed a contract. Be a man an honor it. I understand asking for more.. Most teams are reasonable and will at least sit down with your agent and discuss things (which from the article the Browns are going to do next week). If you deserve it, things are usually worked out. But when you draw a line in the sand by saying " I won't play" .. I do not blame the team for saying .." screw me? no screw you!" and not budging on the contract in play.
Cribbs has made his wishes known. Come to play, kick ass, and trust the team will set things right. That's what real men/real teamates do. But I have no sympathy for guys who threaten the team. Everyone is replaceable. my job, your job, and Cribbs job too.
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Depending upon what is in his contract I would certainly be willing to sweeten the incentives and maybe give him a slight increase in guaranteed salary. I agree about adding incentives for him becoming a positional player
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I agree. As a special team player he is paid well. It isn't like he is a Hester who also caught 50 passes for the team.
Play this year in a expanded role, then see where the contract numbers go.
I would point blank tell him and his agent we won't change the numbers at this point, he won't be traded, so he can play or sit...the choice is his. Negotiations over.
I agree with most of what you've said, 'peen. However, let me disagree with you on the point about Hester. He is every bit of Hester.
Let me explain: 1) As a return man, he is on par with Hester. 2) There is no way Cribbs had as many touches as Hester did in the Bears offense.
Now there are two schools of thought on this: 1) Cribbs wasn't good enough to get on the field for the Browns OR 2) The Browns coaches underutilized Cribbs on offense.
I choose to believe in #2. Add that to the fact that Hester got paid and there was a supposed promise for Cribbs to see a new payday and there you go.
When the smoke clears with this one, I think that Cribbs will be in camp on the existing contract with assurances that he'll have an opportunity to prove himself on the field (offense, ST, defense?) to earn a higher salary.
I agree with most of what you've said, 'peen. However, let me disagree with you on the point about Hester. He is every bit of Hester.
Let me explain: 1) As a return man, he is on par with Hester. 2) There is no way Cribbs had as many touches as Hester did in the Bears offense.
Now there are two schools of thought on this: 1) Cribbs wasn't good enough to get on the field for the Browns OR 2) The Browns coaches underutilized Cribbs on offense.
I choose to believe in #2. Add that to the fact that Hester got paid and there was a supposed promise for Cribbs to see a new payday and there you go.
When the smoke clears with this one, I think that Cribbs will be in camp on the existing contract with assurances that he'll have an opportunity to prove himself on the field (offense, ST, defense?) to earn a higher salary.
Whether its option 1 or option 2, the fact of the matter is that Cribbs has not put the numbers up on offense to warrant a redo on the contract. Hester didn't get his new deal until AFTER he proved he can play WR, and from some reports I have seen, the Bears expect him to be the #1 this season. Cribbs is wanting to be paid based on EXPECTED role expansion, which may or may not happen. I totally agree with your last statement.
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Its been discussed before, but i'm pretty sure his wondurlic score was pretty low.
He may have a hard time with picking up the offense.
just sayin.
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Look I like Cribbs on our team, But we won 4 games last year! Im not saying by any means that it was his fault but when a team only wins 4 games no player should think he should get more money. somebody wrote on here in the past that this team needs a kick in the ass!
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Depending upon what is in his contract I would certainly be willing to sweeten the incentives and maybe give him a slight increase in guaranteed salary. I agree about adding incentives for him becoming a positional player
Depending upon what is in his contract I would certainly be willing to sweeten the incentives and maybe give him a slight increase in guaranteed salary. I agree about adding incentives for him becoming a positional player
What bothers me is that he signed a contract with a lot of up front money and now wants a new contract because his current salary is lower then most in his situation. It sort of rubs me the wrong way when they talk about him only making $1+ million this year and he is worth more then that. They seem to want to forget what he got up front counts as part of his salary.
I don't know the figures anymore and really don't even care to look them up.
1. He signed the contract before his original rookie contract expired because he felt he outplayed it. How many times can you keep doing that.
2. The team won 4 games last year. suck it up until you contribute to a winner.
3. The team has some cap problems and needs to sign their draft picks and make some moves to shed some salary (like Fraley or Shaun Smith). He needs to chill and be the team player he says he is.
4. He is a special teamer and hasn't proved he is anything else yet. How much is a special teamer worth? Come back and ask for more money when you prove you can contribute on offense and/or defense.
If anybody deserves a new contract it would be Jackson before Cribbs. He is still playing under his rookie contract. Let's get him signed to an extension first. Sorry Josh, but if you are a team player, let them take care of business and they will get to you..................stop whinning and live up to your word, which is the contract you willingly signed for what you deemed was security for your family.
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Sounds like Cribbs is backtracking a bit on the holdout statements:
Joshua Cribbs and Steve Heiden to be Ready for the Start of Training Camp
by ChrisPokorny on Jul 20, 2009 10:15 PM EDT
Cleveland Browns KR Joshua Cribbs indicated that he will be in attendance for when veterans report to training camp July 31. Cribbs made the indication when he was interviewed on WKNR recently:
"No. 16 will be on the field, proudly."
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"I'm going to still play as hard as I can," he said. "I don't know any other way to play. I don't want to go anywhere else, I want to stay in Cleveland. I'm going to do everything I can physically and business-wise to stay in Cleveland because this is where I want to be. If something else happens, I don't think it's on me.
"I can't make every person understand my point of view and a lot of fans just don't understand the nature of football and the contract situations and everything. I'm just going to keep playing and I don't mind any fan express any point of view to me and I will respectfully converse with them. I want to see us win big and be a part of that when it happens. Hopefully that happens this year and I'm on that team."
Jason La Canfora of NFL.com reported that Cribbs' representatives were scheduled to talk with the Browns today in an effort to set up a full face-to-face meeting. Jason states that Cribbs isn't looking for a huge contract upgrade, but wants it to be recognized that he is "out-performing his contract".
Another person who should be in training camp is TE Steve Heiden, who tore his ACL and MCL last season. Pro Football Weekly's Mike Wilkening reported the following on Saturday:
[Heiden] expects to be cleared to practice when Browns veterans take the field on July 31, his agent, Jack Wirth, recently told PFW. "He’s made great progress," Wirth said, noting that Heiden has told him the only limitation he could have in training camp is that he might be limited to one practice a day.
That is very encouraging, especially since I'm not overly thrilled about Robert Royal being our featured tight end. Although some believe Royal has the starting role already, I wouldn't bank on that just yet.
Finally, don't forget to check out Terry Pluto's Sunday column, where he relays an executive's thoughts on various Browns topics, among other things.
There is a link for the entire 20 minute interview here: Cribbs Interview
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I would find it really hard to believe either cribbs or heiden would holdout both are team players and couldnt live with the idea their team needs them and they arent there..
Many fans myself included believe Cribbs deserves a big ol raise and he signed a really bad deal but mangini deserves the right to determine his worth in his scheme and with the wedge banned we dont know how this will effect cribbs or if it will at all i think with patience both sides will get what they want....
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With the right coach Cribbs could be a dangerous weapon and I think Mangini fits the role.
I don't think he deserves a bigger contract yet but I hope they can get something worked out.
I agree. As a special team player he is paid well. It isn't like he is a Hester who also caught 50 passes for the team.
Play this year in a expanded role, then see where the contract numbers go.
I would point blank tell him and his agent we won't change the numbers at this point, he won't be traded, so he can play or sit...the choice is his. Negotiations over.
I agree. As a special team player he is paid well. It isn't like he is a Hester who also caught 50 passes for the team.
Play this year in a expanded role, then see where the contract numbers go.
I would point blank tell him and his agent we won't change the numbers at this point, he won't be traded, so he can play or sit...the choice is his. Negotiations over.
While I agree with the notion that he is paid well as a special teams player, I cannot agree with the Hester reference. Hester got his new contract before he made 50 catches for the Bears. He did not do that until this past season, in which he was already playing for his new hefty salary. He got paid that big salary for doing what he did as a return man. Cribbs does just as much as a return man for the Browns as Hester did for the Bears. Now, Cribbs has already been assured an expanded role. He also has already stated that he will not hold out of training camp. He hopes to get something done by the start of the regular season. I believe that shows good faith on his part.
I think that this season should be played under the existing contract but with added incentives for the extra work he is being asked to put in. To tell the guy flat out that he can play or sit..."Negotiations over" does not look good to other players around the league...future free agents. Why would anyone in the future be eager to sign in Cleveland if they already know that, should they far exceed expectations, there will never be any type of negotiations for compensation? The way the NFL works is a little one sided. Teams can cut up a player's contract and not pay him just because they want to save cap-space...but a player has to honor the contract or not get paid. What are the repercussions for teams that violate a signed, legal contract? NOTHING!
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I agree. As a special team player he is paid well. It isn't like he is a Hester who also caught 50 passes for the team.
Play this year in a expanded role, then see where the contract numbers go.
I would point blank tell him and his agent we won't change the numbers at this point, he won't be traded, so he can play or sit...the choice is his. Negotiations over.
While I agree with the notion that he is paid well as a special teams player, I cannot agree with the Hester reference. Hester got his new contract before he made 50 catches for the Bears. He did not do that until this past season, in which he was already playing for his new hefty salary. He got paid that big salary for doing what he did as a return man. Cribbs does just as much as a return man for the Browns as Hester did for the Bears. Now, Cribbs has already been assured an expanded role. He also has already stated that he will not hold out of training camp. He hopes to get something done by the start of the regular season. I believe that shows good faith on his part.
I think that this season should be played under the existing contract but with added incentives for the extra work he is being asked to put in. To tell the guy flat out that he can play or sit..."Negotiations over" does not look good to other players around the league...future free agents. Why would anyone in the future be eager to sign in Cleveland if they already know that, should they far exceed expectations, there will never be any type of negotiations for compensation? The way the NFL works is a little one sided. Teams can cut up a player's contract and not pay him just because they want to save cap-space...but a player has to honor the contract or not get paid. What are the repercussions for teams that violate a signed, legal contract? NOTHING!
What are the repercussions for teams that violate a signed, legal contract? NOTHING!
Legal contract? I do think the CBA punishes a team for that. There is no getting off scott free, I can say that. It does favor the owners, but lets be honest - the NFLPA agreed to give stupid ass salaries and contract to players - unproven - coming out of the draft. They have some blame to bear as well. They wanted Free Agency, and with it came certain things they needed to give up.
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What are the repercussions for teams that violate a signed, legal contract? NOTHING!
Legal contract? I do think the CBA punishes a team for that. There is no getting off scott free, I can say that. It does favor the owners, but lets be honest - the NFLPA agreed to give stupid ass salaries and contract to players - unproven - coming out of the draft. They have some blame to bear as well. They wanted Free Agency, and with it came certain things they needed to give up.
Legal contract? I do think the CBA punishes a team for that. There is no getting off scott free, I can say that. It does favor the owners, but lets be honest - the NFLPA agreed to give stupid ass salaries and contract to players - unproven - coming out of the draft. They have some blame to bear as well. They wanted Free Agency, and with it came certain things they needed to give up.
What does free agency have to do with team owners not having to honor a players contract? The owners wanted a salary cap...they got it! There's the trade off for free-agency! Where is the job security for the players? As far as rookie salaries....I completely agree! Rookies are HIGHLY overpaid! They have proved nothing except that they can play well against other college students who, more often than not, will never play a down of pro football. But, again, what does that have to do with teams honoring player contracts. Players have to honor their sides, or not get paid. Owners can release a player and it won't hurt their wallets! The MLB has that part right. If you sign a contract, it needs to be honored by both sides!
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Legal contract? I do think the CBA punishes a team for that. There is no getting off scott free, I can say that. It does favor the owners, but lets be honest - the NFLPA agreed to give stupid ass salaries and contract to players - unproven - coming out of the draft. They have some blame to bear as well. They wanted Free Agency, and with it came certain things they needed to give up.
What does free agency have to do with team owners not having to honor a players contract? The owners wanted a salary cap...they got it! There's the trade off for free-agency! Where is the job security for the players? As far as rookie salaries....I completely agree! Rookies are HIGHLY overpaid! They have proved nothing except that they can play well against other college students who, more often than not, will never play a down of pro football. But, again, what does that have to do with teams honoring player contracts. Players have to honor their sides, or not get paid. Owners can release a player and it won't hurt their wallets! The MLB has that part right. If you sign a contract, it needs to be honored by both sides!
What does free agency have to do with team owners not having to honor a players contract? The owners wanted a salary cap...they got it! There's the trade off for free-agency! Where is the job security for the players? As far as rookie salaries....I completely agree! Rookies are HIGHLY overpaid! They have proved nothing except that they can play well against other college students who, more often than not, will never play a down of pro football. But, again, what does that have to do with teams honoring player contracts. Players have to honor their sides, or not get paid. Owners can release a player and it won't hurt their wallets! The MLB has that part right. If you sign a contract, it needs to be honored by both sides!
You seriously don't think the contracts are written in such a way that allows for the teams to "legally" get out of the contract? That's why there are signing bonuses and roster bonuses, etc. Its all a trade-off.
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What does free agency have to do with team owners not having to honor a players contract? The owners wanted a salary cap...they got it! There's the trade off for free-agency! Where is the job security for the players? As far as rookie salaries....I completely agree! Rookies are HIGHLY overpaid! They have proved nothing except that they can play well against other college students who, more often than not, will never play a down of pro football. But, again, what does that have to do with teams honoring player contracts. Players have to honor their sides, or not get paid. Owners can release a player and it won't hurt their wallets! The MLB has that part right. If you sign a contract, it needs to be honored by both sides!
You seriously don't think the contracts are written in such a way that allows for the teams to "legally" get out of the contract? That's why there are signing bonuses and roster bonuses, etc. Its all a trade-off.
You seriously don't think the contracts are written in such a way that allows for the teams to "legally" get out of the contract? That's why there are signing bonuses and roster bonuses, etc. Its all a trade-off.
Understood...But where is the "legal" way for a player to get out of the contract when he is clearly underpaid per league standards? The trade-off is a little lopsided there!
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