We Need To Keep Lamar Jackson In The Pocket
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Gips, my old pal, as you and I head into a New Year, I am nudging you to get a little better grip on my tongue-in-cheek humor. Calling Sam D'Arnold black was a joke about color not meaning crap as far as a man's value. black, white, we are all loved equally by the one who counts.
So, my phrase, "Black Tarkenton" strike some as being racist, it is not, and I am not. I do however think that run-first QBs are ALL shit QBs. Not one of them has ever held up through the playoffs and won a SB. Nor do I believe will one ever. The fact that run-first QBs seem to all be black doesn't make me racist. I hate the run-first QB because of the implications and shortcomings. It isn't my fault that these primarily tend to be blacks. Also FWIW, I despised Tarkenton and think he is the model of what a QB should NOT be. The fucking guy was in 4 Superbowls, and he got his ass kicked in all 4. Just like the Black Tarkentons, he put up all kinds of numbers, and created excitement. But, when it counted, like all run-first QBs, he turned to shit.
It's just the way it is. The black guys in general are faster. I don't remember a white guy ever running in the 100 in the Olympics. If one has, it's mighty rare.
It's just the way it is. The black guys in general are faster. I don't remember a white guy ever running in the 100 in the Olympics. If one has, it's mighty rare.
Oh, plenty RAN the 100, but I don't think any have WON in the past 100 years. Bwahaha.
Before the draft, I had mixed opinions regarding Lamar Jackson. I wasn't sure if he would be able to make it as a QB, but like virtually everybody, I thought that he'd be dangerous in the right system. What's the right system? A dangerous, suffocating defense, a strong running game, and a coordinator smart enough to adapt his offense to Lamar and his skill set. Has Baltimore found this magical combination? Ehhhh....I'm not sure. Why?
Because San Francisco thought they discovered this magical union of intimidating defense, stalwart running game, and uber fast QB that would punish defense with both his arm and legs with Kaepernick. And for a while they did. Don't forget how nasty that 49's team was, now. There are a few differences between these two teams, but there are more similarities in my crazy mind.
One of the differences is that the world hasn't EVER seen a QB that can run like Lamar Jackson. Want to compare him to Michael Vick? Good luck. In college, Vick passed for 3300 yards and rushed for 1300 yards in 2 seasons. Conversely, Lamar passed for over 9000 yards and rushed for over 4000 yards in 3 seasons. Vick left after his sophomore season I think, so let's compare each player's second year starting:
Vick - 1234 yards passing with 8 TDs, 700 yards rushing with 8 TDs. 10 games played.
Lamar - 3500 yards passing with 30 TDs, 1571 rushing yards with 21 TDs. 13 games played.
So no, comparing Lamar to Vick isn't the best option. Defenses are having trouble with the Ravens' offense because we haven't seen someone like Lamar. The GOOD news for us is we now have even more tape, and Gregg has proven himself adept at scheming against talented rushers. I remember some people said Lamar wasn't built for the pros because he was slightly built. Pleeeeeease. For one thing, you almost never get to actually hit him. He slithers around defenders and prances out of bounds, so taking big hits is generally off the menu.
This game will come down to one thing: Stopping the Ravens' PASSING attack. They're GOING to get their yards on the ground, that's just how it is, but we absolutely need to confuse him on obvious passing downs, and when Lamar puts the ball in jeopardy, we HAVE to get it. No more dropped easy interceptions. We also need a little bit of luck. We need Lamar to miss a couple of his deep throws. Lamar will throw 4 awful passes in a row, but then he'll drop a 40 yard TD pass in the bucket. We need him to miss on the bucket throws, because with their play-action, he's GOING to have guys open deep.
Lastly, we HAVE to find a way to get an early lead on them. Make Lamar have to pass more than he wants and then step on his throat with confusing coverages. You don't always wanna blitz this guy because he'll just run right by you, so hopefully Gregg will keep his finger somewhat off the "jailbreak blitz" button.
It's going to be a lot of fun, and it's going to be our "playoff game". It will be ELECTRIC there, and Baker was only able to score 12 points against them last time, and I can almost promise you that won't be enough Sunday. This could be the first of many match-ups between Baker and Lamar, and we could be getting a glimpse at the future of the AFC North. I'm not ready to make my predictions just yet, but I know it's going to be our toughest game of the year (or right up there). Can't wait guys!
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Valery Borzov, USSR 1972 Olympics, 100 meter Winner:
Alan Wells, Great Britain, 1980 Olympics 100 meter winner
Of course, given the times....these both may have been heavily steroid aided victories.
That's two in 45+ years (or 11 Olympics) = rare. Break that down with # of competitors and I'd bet > 3%.
That's two in 45+ years (or 11 Olympics) = rare. Break that down with # of competitors and I'd bet > 3%.
All of the early guys on this list were white.....in fact, I think Jesse Owens was the first black winner of the 100 meters. Sisnce 1960 only Hary, Borzov, and Wells were white.
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Jiggins, I'm not going to quote your post but I do have a few things to add. Jackson the best running QB ever in the NFL? Probably. Teams wanted him to do the WR drills at the Combine. So at least some GMs considered his quarterbacking skills suspect.
Nickers noticed this, and I saw it on display from some Red Zone clips last night. Jackson has made a lot of his big runs going to his right. I'm sure Williams has duly noted this, and it will be a point of emphasis Sunday.
So lets hope Baker lights it up early and forces the Ravens to play from behind.
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That's two in 45+ years (or 11 Olympics) = rare. Break that down with # of competitors and I'd bet > 3%.
All of the early guys on this list were white.....in fact, I think Jesse Owens was the first black winner of the 100 meters. Sisnce 1960 only Hary, Borzov, and Wells were white.
All of the early guys on this list were white.....in fact, I think Jesse Owens was the first black winner of the 100 meters. Sisnce 1960 only Hary, Borzov, and Wells were white.
Just stop with this argumentative crap Gipper, there was a thing called segregation, and even more recently apartheid in South Africa. Those records (yeah, they're records, that's about it) from the 1800s and early 1900s are even less relevant to today's track athletes than the style of football the Canton Bulldogs were playing in the 1920s to today's NFL. What some white guy did 120 years ago in the Olympics, has sqatoosh bearing on the modern era,
Color doesn't matter anymore, so see any white guys here?
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A power point arguing that whitey's got wheels.
Not even kidding, that made my year... ?
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A power point arguing that whitey's got wheels.
Not even kidding, that made my year... ?
A power point arguing that whitey's got wheels.
Not even kidding, that made my year... ?
Well, I could have asked Gipper to (in another sport where speed matters, like the NFL wide receiver position) research the ratio of white guys to black dudes. John Ross set the record in the 40 at the combine this year, and guess what color he is.
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A power point arguing that whitey's got wheels.
Not even kidding, that made my year... ?
Well, I could have asked Gipper to (in another sport where speed matters, like the NFL wide receiver position) research the ratio of white guys to black dudes. John Ross set the record in the 40 at the combine this year, and guess what color he is.
Well, I could have asked Gipper to (in another sport where speed matters, like the NFL wide receiver position) research the ratio of white guys to black dudes. John Ross set the record in the 40 at the combine this year, and guess what color he is.
Mocha? ?
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All of the early guys on this list were white.....in fact, I think Jesse Owens was the first black winner of the 100 meters. Sisnce 1960 only Hary, Borzov, and Wells were white.
Just stop with this argumentative crap Gipper, there was a thing called segregation, and even more recently apartheid in South Africa. Those records (yeah, they're records, that's about it) from the 1800s and early 1900s are even less relevant to today's track athletes than the style of football the Canton Bulldogs were playing in the 1920s to today's NFL. What some white guy did 120 years ago in the Olympics, has sqatoosh bearing on the modern era,
Color doesn't matter anymore, so see any white guys here?
Just stop with this argumentative crap Gipper, there was a thing called segregation, and even more recently apartheid in South Africa. Those records (yeah, they're records, that's about it) from the 1800s and early 1900s are even less relevant to today's track athletes than the style of football the Canton Bulldogs were playing in the 1920s to today's NFL. What some white guy did 120 years ago in the Olympics, has sqatoosh bearing on the modern era,
Color doesn't matter anymore, so see any white guys here?
I was not arguing....I was just giving you the facts, ma'am. I understand perfectly what you are saying, and it was my point as well. Blacks were not given the opportunity or training before Jesse Owens came along.
But, hey...isn't it considered politically incorrect, even racist to assert that blacks have a genetic advantage when it comes to certain kinds of athletic ability? Even though.....as you note.....the last several 100 meter Olympic races involved all blacks? And there has not been a white cornerback in the NFL since like Jason Sehorn of the early 90s.
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A power point arguing that whitey's got wheels.
Not even kidding, that made my year... ?
Well, I could have asked Gipper to (in another sport where speed matters, like the NFL wide receiver position) research the ratio of white guys to black dudes. John Ross set the record in the 40 at the combine this year, and guess what color he is.
Well, I could have asked Gipper to (in another sport where speed matters, like the NFL wide receiver position) research the ratio of white guys to black dudes. John Ross set the record in the 40 at the combine this year, and guess what color he is.
I did it with the cornerbacks...see above.
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Mocha? ?
Quick perusal, the ratio top 10 wrs is 8:2.
I was not arguing....I was just giving you the facts, ma'am. I understand perfectly what you are saying, and it was my point as well. Blacks were not given the opportunity or training before Jesse Owens came along.
But, hey...isn't it considered politically incorrect, even racist to assert that blacks have a genetic advantage when it comes to certain kinds of athletic ability? Even though.....as you note.....the last several 100 meter Olympic races involved all blacks? And there has not been a white cornerback in the NFL since like Jason Sehorn of the early 90s.
Nope political correctness aside, obvious in certain respects our black friends are genetically superior. Not just speed, endurance too. those 110 pound Kenyan guys dominate the Marathons.
Only sport (that requires a lot of athletic ability- and I still don't consider golf a sport) I can think of where the preponderance of athletes aren't black is tennis. And we have the Williams sisters as evidence with the right training and desire, they'd dominate there too.
I don't follow baseball at all, so no comment there...
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All of the early guys on this list were white.....in fact, I think Jesse Owens was the first black winner of the 100 meters. Sisnce 1960 only Hary, Borzov, and Wells were white.
Just stop with this argumentative crap Gipper, there was a thing called segregation, and even more recently apartheid in South Africa. Those records (yeah, they're records, that's about it) from the 1800s and early 1900s are even less relevant to today's track athletes than the style of football the Canton Bulldogs were playing in the 1920s to today's NFL. What some white guy did 120 years ago in the Olympics, has sqatoosh bearing on the modern era,
Color doesn't matter anymore, so see any white guys here?
Just stop with this argumentative crap Gipper, there was a thing called segregation, and even more recently apartheid in South Africa. Those records (yeah, they're records, that's about it) from the 1800s and early 1900s are even less relevant to today's track athletes than the style of football the Canton Bulldogs were playing in the 1920s to today's NFL. What some white guy did 120 years ago in the Olympics, has sqatoosh bearing on the modern era,
Color doesn't matter anymore, so see any white guys here?
McCaffrey was preparing to play for the Carolina Panthers that day.?
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My only point was just saying someone lost a lot doesn't really tell the story, as others have done the same thing, or even take it a step further, I'm sure there are guys you would consider way better and was beating them to get there to lose
Here is an article I agree with. Chokers. They have Tarkenton as the #6 all-time choker. Kelly, Fouts and Marino. Tarkenton really did single-handedly lose 4 SBs. He had so many chances in those games to make a play.
Stinkenhiemer #1 NFL choker? Absolutely, Man, I hate that sonofabitch.
Here is an article I agree with. Chokers. They have Tarkenton as the #6 all-time choker. Kelly, Fouts and Marino. Tarkenton really did single-handedly lose 4 SBs. He had so many chances in those games to make a play.
Stinkenhiemer #1 NFL choker? Absolutely, Man, I hate that sonofabitch.
Seeing that Tarkenton only played in three super Bowls I question your credibility on this. Joe Kapp was the quarterback for one of those Viking losses
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To be honest, Lamar Jackson doesn't scare me. What scares me is the Ravens' defense. The Ravens haven't been winning shootouts, they've been winning because their defense is putting the squadoosh down on fools.
To be honest, Lamar Jackson doesn't scare me. What scares me is the Ravens' defense. The Ravens haven't been winning shootouts, they've been winning because their defense is putting the squadoosh down on fools.
It's the combo... run-centric offense and staunch Defense. The former was not a part of our 12-9 win back in early October in Baker's coming out party when the Raven's D sacked him 5 times.
Our biggest change since then is Chubb, who had no chunk plays in his limited role the first go 'round.
Their biggest change is Jackson.
I'd play zone vs them. Keep everyone's eyes on him, make him read coverages and make smart throws.
Bingo! We turn our backs in Man and he's 15 yards downfield before we're the wiser....
Pep is probably our best option to spy Lamar
But our best option to slow down Lamar is probably our DEs playing contain and pressuring him up the middle. Our edge defenders have to be smart and not get sucked in.
Agree on Pep as our spy, but I think we have to design in some "blown contains" to bait Jackson into taking off into Pep's arms. Especially to Jackson's left...
So rush Garrett wide, cheat Pepper to the D's right and let the lane develop. Gives two shots at Jackson... MG, if he beats Stanley clean, and Pep, if Jackson flushes.
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Lamar can pass much better than Tebow could...
Run better too
Yeah, Ghoolie's Black Tarkenton is a better fit. Tebow was a linebacker who thought he was a quarterback.
Yeah, Ghoolie's Black Tarkenton is a better fit.
See below...
So, my phrase, "Black Tarkenton" strike some as being racist, it is not, and I am not.
Correct, not a racial comment. But also not a correct one.
You seem to know something of Takenton's career, so it's odd that you cling classifing him as a running QB.
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What really scares me is the way our team played against the Texans defense on the road. Also, we haven't fared well against teams playing well, either. The Texans, Chiefs, Chargers...all teams on streaks, and all teams that gave us the business. It's one thing to beat a team like the Bengals that stepped on their Johnson, but it's something entirely different to beat a team at their house fighting to get into the playoffs. We didn't compete in some of the nastier games, and even if we don't win this weekend, I want to see us BRING IT. It'll be a terrific learning experience for Baker because it's not really going to get much tougher than this.
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What really scares me is the way our team played against the Texans defense on the road. Also, we haven't fared well against teams playing well, either. The Texans, Chiefs, Chargers...all teams on streaks, and all teams that gave us the business. It's one thing to beat a team like the Bengals that stepped on their Johnson, but it's something entirely different to beat a team at their house fighting to get into the playoffs. We didn't compete in some of the nastier games, and even if we don't win this weekend, I want to see us BRING IT. It'll be a terrific learning experience for Baker because it's not really going to get much tougher than this.
What really scares me is the way our team played against the Texans defense on the road. Also, we haven't fared well against teams playing well, either. The Texans, Chiefs, Chargers...all teams on streaks, and all teams that gave us the business. It's one thing to beat a team like the Bengals that stepped on their Johnson, but it's something entirely different to beat a team at their house fighting to get into the playoffs. We didn't compete in some of the nastier games, and even if we don't win this weekend, I want to see us BRING IT. It'll be a terrific learning experience for Baker because it's not really going to get much tougher than this.
Baker will be fine.. He's fearless.. We contain Jackson.. the game is over...
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First time in 4 seasons, I chose not to do the Baltimore amtrak game trip. Saw early, Last game of the season, after Xmas,End of December
️f'n buurrr! But man,now i feel like "damn u big dummy" with now cloudy skies, low of 34 degrees. I can hear PaPa Tom, you damm whimp. Who would have thought, with Hue still around, Browns could be taking a chit on the place that Art built. Or the steelqueers? a win/win in my book. That place will be bat chit crazy loud just as Denver was, so we should still be prepared for the crowd noise. Our Offense is not what bothers me anymore. Ravens only giving up 17 points per game does. And that D is playing at it's best all season.I'll be blunt, We can't count on our place kicking. We can't count on ST's & they owe us a blocked punt or FG at some point this game. D.Ward got them. So, It's time for Gregg Williams to lock this HC'ing position by beating a division rival with his defensive scheme. Not having D.Ward with Lamar working the outside edges clearly won't help. Lamar won't be hard to find. He'll be in the pistol formation with 1 of 3 guys coming out of the exchange with the ball. The Defensive front does not have to chase around after this guy. They just need to be the outside vises to clamp Lamar in the pocket. Williams has to have his unit committed to who's assignment is who's.Shobert has to be the vocal leader of the unit. If we hear the words missed tackles or a defensive miscommunication..were screwed!! tackle well like that Denver game? We can do this..Brns.-17 Birds-13..and your welcome Tomlin, till your done the following week..
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Yeah, Ghoolie's Black Tarkenton is a better fit.
See below...
So, my phrase, "Black Tarkenton" strike some as being racist, it is not, and I am not.
Correct, not a racial comment. But also not a correct one.
You seem to know something of Takenton's career, so it's odd that you cling classifing him as a running QB.
See below...
Correct, not a racial comment. But also not a correct one.
You seem to know something of Takenton's career, so it's odd that you cling classifing him as a running QB.
Tour, I would yield that there is a distinction between a running QB, and a scrambling QB, and that on overall examination it seems I have lumped them both together.
On one hand, of course, I know the difference. On the other hand, to a great extent, I believe, whether the QB is a running QB ( or Run First QB), or just a scrambler, honestly, the end result in performance is the exact same. The euphemism that "one cannot serve two masters" sheds light on the problem.
If there was some technology, an audible alarm, mounted in an earpiece that could somehow tell the QB when the outcome for the run was better than for the pass, the "Tarkenton" could be very reliable and effective. Alas, no such instrument exists and the balance between feet-fleeing, or hanging in to pass, under the pressure of live games, I believe, leaves this type of QB in a mental limbo, not really knowing which option to pursue.
I remember watching Tarkenton, and even Kordell Stewart. Many times you could see that before Tark ever has back in the pocket, his head was moving, looking for a running/scrambling outlet, before even setting to read his recievers.
I believe that from the time the ball is snapped, a"Tarkenton's mind is at work deciphering whether or not to pass. I think this dichotomy prevents this type of QB from ever really commanding the pass game. I believe this is why in very heated, pressure-filled games, the Tarkenton never has delivered and never will.
I believe that if WIlliams throws different blitzes at Jackson all day long, Jackson will self destruct.
Let's see what happens.
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Larmar has a short,stiff throwing motion.. He has shitty hitch steps I.E. Foot work.. He cannot throw to his left with any consistency.. Evreything it "to the right" for him.... You go 46 D and flood the right side. Send a different Pass rusher on each play.. And put your fastest defender on him (Peppers) spying on him..
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Larmar has a short,stiff throwing motion.. He has shitty hitch steps I.E. Foot work.. He cannot throw to his left with any consistency.. Evreything it "to the right" for him.... You go 46 D and flood the right side. Send a different Pass rusher on each play.. And put your fastest defender on him (Peppers) spying on him..
Larmar has a short,stiff throwing motion.. He has shitty hitch steps I.E. Foot work.. He cannot throw to his left with any consistency.. Evreything it "to the right" for him.... You go 46 D and flood the right side. Send a different Pass rusher on each play.. And put your fastest defender on him (Peppers) spying on him..
Blake is gonna throw the book at him, then beat him about the head with it
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