We Need To Keep Lamar Jackson In The Pocket
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To be honest, Lamar Jackson doesn't scare me. What scares me is the Ravens' defense. The Ravens haven't been winning shootouts, they've been winning because their defense is putting the squadoosh down on fools.
To be honest, Lamar Jackson doesn't scare me. What scares me is the Ravens' defense. The Ravens haven't been winning shootouts, they've been winning because their defense is putting the squadoosh down on fools.
It's the combo... run-centric offense and staunch Defense. The former was not a part of our 12-9 win back in early October in Baker's coming out party when the Raven's D sacked him 5 times.
Our biggest change since then is Chubb, who had no chunk plays in his limited role the first go 'round.
Their biggest change is Jackson.
I'd play zone vs them. Keep everyone's eyes on him, make him read coverages and make smart throws.
Bingo! We turn our backs in Man and he's 15 yards downfield before we're the wiser....
Pep is probably our best option to spy Lamar
But our best option to slow down Lamar is probably our DEs playing contain and pressuring him up the middle. Our edge defenders have to be smart and not get sucked in.
Agree on Pep as our spy, but I think we have to design in some "blown contains" to bait Jackson into taking off into Pep's arms. Especially to Jackson's left...
So rush Garrett wide, cheat Pepper to the D's right and let the lane develop. Gives two shots at Jackson... MG, if he beats Stanley clean, and Pep, if Jackson flushes.
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Lamar can pass much better than Tebow could...
Run better too
Yeah, Ghoolie's Black Tarkenton is a better fit. Tebow was a linebacker who thought he was a quarterback.
Yeah, Ghoolie's Black Tarkenton is a better fit.
See below...
So, my phrase, "Black Tarkenton" strike some as being racist, it is not, and I am not.
Correct, not a racial comment. But also not a correct one.
You seem to know something of Takenton's career, so it's odd that you cling classifing him as a running QB.
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What really scares me is the way our team played against the Texans defense on the road. Also, we haven't fared well against teams playing well, either. The Texans, Chiefs, Chargers...all teams on streaks, and all teams that gave us the business. It's one thing to beat a team like the Bengals that stepped on their Johnson, but it's something entirely different to beat a team at their house fighting to get into the playoffs. We didn't compete in some of the nastier games, and even if we don't win this weekend, I want to see us BRING IT. It'll be a terrific learning experience for Baker because it's not really going to get much tougher than this.
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What really scares me is the way our team played against the Texans defense on the road. Also, we haven't fared well against teams playing well, either. The Texans, Chiefs, Chargers...all teams on streaks, and all teams that gave us the business. It's one thing to beat a team like the Bengals that stepped on their Johnson, but it's something entirely different to beat a team at their house fighting to get into the playoffs. We didn't compete in some of the nastier games, and even if we don't win this weekend, I want to see us BRING IT. It'll be a terrific learning experience for Baker because it's not really going to get much tougher than this.
What really scares me is the way our team played against the Texans defense on the road. Also, we haven't fared well against teams playing well, either. The Texans, Chiefs, Chargers...all teams on streaks, and all teams that gave us the business. It's one thing to beat a team like the Bengals that stepped on their Johnson, but it's something entirely different to beat a team at their house fighting to get into the playoffs. We didn't compete in some of the nastier games, and even if we don't win this weekend, I want to see us BRING IT. It'll be a terrific learning experience for Baker because it's not really going to get much tougher than this.
Baker will be fine.. He's fearless.. We contain Jackson.. the game is over...
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First time in 4 seasons, I chose not to do the Baltimore amtrak game trip. Saw early, Last game of the season, after Xmas,End of December
️f'n buurrr! But man,now i feel like "damn u big dummy" with now cloudy skies, low of 34 degrees. I can hear PaPa Tom, you damm whimp. Who would have thought, with Hue still around, Browns could be taking a chit on the place that Art built. Or the steelqueers? a win/win in my book. That place will be bat chit crazy loud just as Denver was, so we should still be prepared for the crowd noise. Our Offense is not what bothers me anymore. Ravens only giving up 17 points per game does. And that D is playing at it's best all season.I'll be blunt, We can't count on our place kicking. We can't count on ST's & they owe us a blocked punt or FG at some point this game. D.Ward got them. So, It's time for Gregg Williams to lock this HC'ing position by beating a division rival with his defensive scheme. Not having D.Ward with Lamar working the outside edges clearly won't help. Lamar won't be hard to find. He'll be in the pistol formation with 1 of 3 guys coming out of the exchange with the ball. The Defensive front does not have to chase around after this guy. They just need to be the outside vises to clamp Lamar in the pocket. Williams has to have his unit committed to who's assignment is who's.Shobert has to be the vocal leader of the unit. If we hear the words missed tackles or a defensive miscommunication..were screwed!! tackle well like that Denver game? We can do this..Brns.-17 Birds-13..and your welcome Tomlin, till your done the following week..
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Yeah, Ghoolie's Black Tarkenton is a better fit.
See below...
So, my phrase, "Black Tarkenton" strike some as being racist, it is not, and I am not.
Correct, not a racial comment. But also not a correct one.
You seem to know something of Takenton's career, so it's odd that you cling classifing him as a running QB.
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Correct, not a racial comment. But also not a correct one.
You seem to know something of Takenton's career, so it's odd that you cling classifing him as a running QB.
Tour, I would yield that there is a distinction between a running QB, and a scrambling QB, and that on overall examination it seems I have lumped them both together.
On one hand, of course, I know the difference. On the other hand, to a great extent, I believe, whether the QB is a running QB ( or Run First QB), or just a scrambler, honestly, the end result in performance is the exact same. The euphemism that "one cannot serve two masters" sheds light on the problem.
If there was some technology, an audible alarm, mounted in an earpiece that could somehow tell the QB when the outcome for the run was better than for the pass, the "Tarkenton" could be very reliable and effective. Alas, no such instrument exists and the balance between feet-fleeing, or hanging in to pass, under the pressure of live games, I believe, leaves this type of QB in a mental limbo, not really knowing which option to pursue.
I remember watching Tarkenton, and even Kordell Stewart. Many times you could see that before Tark ever has back in the pocket, his head was moving, looking for a running/scrambling outlet, before even setting to read his recievers.
I believe that from the time the ball is snapped, a"Tarkenton's mind is at work deciphering whether or not to pass. I think this dichotomy prevents this type of QB from ever really commanding the pass game. I believe this is why in very heated, pressure-filled games, the Tarkenton never has delivered and never will.
I believe that if WIlliams throws different blitzes at Jackson all day long, Jackson will self destruct.
Let's see what happens.
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Larmar has a short,stiff throwing motion.. He has shitty hitch steps I.E. Foot work.. He cannot throw to his left with any consistency.. Evreything it "to the right" for him.... You go 46 D and flood the right side. Send a different Pass rusher on each play.. And put your fastest defender on him (Peppers) spying on him..
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Larmar has a short,stiff throwing motion.. He has shitty hitch steps I.E. Foot work.. He cannot throw to his left with any consistency.. Evreything it "to the right" for him.... You go 46 D and flood the right side. Send a different Pass rusher on each play.. And put your fastest defender on him (Peppers) spying on him..
Larmar has a short,stiff throwing motion.. He has shitty hitch steps I.E. Foot work.. He cannot throw to his left with any consistency.. Evreything it "to the right" for him.... You go 46 D and flood the right side. Send a different Pass rusher on each play.. And put your fastest defender on him (Peppers) spying on him..
Blake is gonna throw the book at him, then beat him about the head with it
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When you face a running QB, sometimes you can do everything right and still get hurt. That's kind of what I see happening tomorrow, but another key is red zone defense. We hold them to 3, we can win. Very similar to our last game with them. We got that one TD before half, and that was really the difference. And btw, that was a BEAUTIFUL drive by Baker Mayfield in a 2 minute scenario against a darn good defense, culminated by a killer TD toss to Higgins.
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When you face a running QB, sometimes you can do everything right and still get hurt. That's kind of what I see happening tomorrow, but another key is red zone defense. We hold them to 3, we can win. Very similar to our last game with them. We got that one TD before half, and that was really the difference. And btw, that was a BEAUTIFUL drive by Baker Mayfield in a 2 minute scenario against a darn good defense, culminated by a killer TD toss to Higgins.
When you face a running QB, sometimes you can do everything right and still get hurt. That's kind of what I see happening tomorrow, but another key is red zone defense. We hold them to 3, we can win. Very similar to our last game with them. We got that one TD before half, and that was really the difference. And btw, that was a BEAUTIFUL drive by Baker Mayfield in a 2 minute scenario against a darn good defense, culminated by a killer TD toss to Higgins.
With Mayfield showing that he can run too but only when he has to. That would pose the same problem right back at the raisins wouldn’t it. Plus think of this... they have the vaunted D and we have nothing to lose.
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Well, my term Black Tarkenton is not a racist slur, nor a hidden thought of what I think of black QBs. I loved Moon and McNair, and am impressed with Mahomes and Sam Arnold.
The term replies to a black kid who had his speed exploited in youth football, and was never taught like white kids are, to pass first.
Sam Arnold?
Sam Arnold?
It's a joke. Ya gotta think fast to keep up with the Ghoolster.
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When you face a running QB, sometimes you can do everything right and still get hurt. That's kind of what I see happening tomorrow, but another key is red zone defense. We hold them to 3, we can win. Very similar to our last game with them. We got that one TD before half, and that was really the difference. And btw, that was a BEAUTIFUL drive by Baker Mayfield in a 2 minute scenario against a darn good defense, culminated by a killer TD toss to Higgins.
When you face a running QB, sometimes you can do everything right and still get hurt. That's kind of what I see happening tomorrow, but another key is red zone defense. We hold them to 3, we can win. Very similar to our last game with them. We got that one TD before half, and that was really the difference. And btw, that was a BEAUTIFUL drive by Baker Mayfield in a 2 minute scenario against a darn good defense, culminated by a killer TD toss to Higgins.
Bullshit. THe ONLY ones who get hurt by Black Tarkentons are Marty Clones and dummies who think the way to beat black Tarkenton is to contain him. Black Tarkentons are very, very, low on intelligence. They are dimwits, who if forced all game to leave the pocket will absolutely, WITHOUT FAIL.....
1) Make some great athletic plays
2) Throw bad passes and interceptions
3) Have a high probability of get hit hard, and getting fucked up
You DO NOT try to contain pieces of shit like Vick, Watson and Jackson. YOu get in their face from bell-to-bell knowing that they are NEVER going to consistently beat ANYONE with their arms or their brains. You let them have their highlight plays, but at the end of the day, they are LOSERS.
Lumbar Jackson isn't taking the Ravens anywhere. They only teams they will beat are the Marty Shittenhiemer faggots who are afraid to get after them. Blitz, Blitz, Blitz. Verbally abuse him, take some well planned later/borderline dirty hits and neutralize this picnic QB. Fuck the Ravens. Fuck Jackson and Fuck you snowflakes who are offended by swear words. What a bunch of **Mask** we have on this board.
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Larmar has a short,stiff throwing motion.. He has shitty hitch steps I.E. Foot work.. He cannot throw to his left with any consistency.. Evreything it "to the right" for him.... You go 46 D and flood the right side. Send a different Pass rusher on each play.. And put your fastest defender on him (Peppers) spying on him..
Larmar has a short,stiff throwing motion.. He has shitty hitch steps I.E. Foot work.. He cannot throw to his left with any consistency.. Evreything it "to the right" for him.... You go 46 D and flood the right side. Send a different Pass rusher on each play.. And put your fastest defender on him (Peppers) spying on him..
BINGO.................. Or, you can do like some of the homosexuals here have suggested. Powder his nuts and by all means, for the love of humanity, don't swear at him.
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Here is an article I agree with. Chokers. They have Tarkenton as the #6 all-time choker. Kelly, Fouts and Marino. Tarkenton really did single-handedly lose 4 SBs. He had so many chances in those games to make a play.
Stinkenhiemer #1 NFL choker? Absolutely, Man, I hate that sonofabitch.
Seeing that Tarkenton only played in three super Bowls I question your credibility on this. Joe Kapp was the quarterback for one of those Viking losses
Seeing that Tarkenton only played in three super Bowls I question your credibility on this. Joe Kapp was the quarterback for one of those Viking losses
And if you followed my posts you will see that I corrected that BEFORE you did. HOWEVER....... in THREE SUPERBOWLS................. the run-first QB LOST ALL THREE...........with a lot of great players around him (Purple People Eater defense), AND PUT UP A WHOPPING 27 POINTS in THREE GAMES.
Fran Tarkenton was the Putney Swope of NFL QBs. He was a piece of shit.
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Lamar Jackson doesn't deserve your hatred. When you call him a superpredator, that just makes you the idiot -- not him.
He's one of the first round-1 draft picks in the modern era to negotiate a deal without an agent --- because he didn't want to lose the extra 3% the agent wanted.. his mom did the negotiations. And his mom will be doing his endorsement deals as well -- because the agent take on endorsements is more than 3. That's a smart business decision -- not crazy or wild.
As well, adidas asked him during one of the UL - FSU games to wear Yeezy cleats... but he turned them down because he demanded his entire team be able to wear them.
Dislike him all you want, but he's a good guy.
Lamar Jackson doesn't deserve your hatred. When you call him a superpredator, that just makes you the idiot -- not him.
He's one of the first round-1 draft picks in the modern era to negotiate a deal without an agent --- because he didn't want to lose the extra 3% the agent wanted.. his mom did the negotiations. And his mom will be doing his endorsement deals as well -- because the agent take on endorsements is more than 3. That's a smart business decision -- not crazy or wild.
As well, adidas asked him during one of the UL - FSU games to wear Yeezy cleats... but he turned them down because he demanded his entire team be able to wear them.
Dislike him all you want, but he's a good guy.
Fuck good guys. Fuck him.
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Gips, my old pal, as you and I head into a New Year, I am nudging you to get a little better grip on my tongue-in-cheek humor. Calling Sam D'Arnold black was a joke about color not meaning crap as far as a man's value. black, white, we are all loved equally by the one who counts.
So, my phrase, "Black Tarkenton" strike some as being racist, it is not, and I am not. I do however think that run-first QBs are ALL shit QBs. Not one of them has ever held up through the playoffs and won a SB. Nor do I believe will one ever. The fact that run-first QBs seem to all be black doesn't make me racist. I hate the run-first QB because of the implications and shortcomings. It isn't my fault that these primarily tend to be blacks. Also FWIW, I despised Tarkenton and think he is the model of what a QB should NOT be. The fucking guy was in 4 Superbowls, and he got his ass kicked in all 4. Just like the Black Tarkentons, he put up all kinds of numbers, and created excitement. But, when it counted, like all run-first QBs, he turned to shit.
It's just the way it is. The black guys in general are faster. I don't remember a white guy ever running in the 100 in the Olympics. If one has, it's mighty rare.
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Valery Borzov, USSR 1972 Olympics, 100 meter Winner:
Alan Wells, Great Britain, 1980 Olympics 100 meter winner
Of course, given the times....these both may have been heavily steroid aided victories.
That's two in 45+ years (or 11 Olympics) = rare. Break that down with # of competitors and I'd bet > 3%.
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Hmmmm sounds like jimmy the Greek returneth. I was almost born a different color, I’m staying out
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True....which also means that the Browns defense has to step up. First game between them was 12-9 in OT. It would not surprise me if we have something similar.
Man, I hope both of you guys are right. We're going to need turnovers to win IMO, and we've had CHANCES lately, but we're not finishing the darn plays. We dropped the easiest INT ever when two players kind of fought over it, we forced a fumble but didn't have anyone around to jump on it, and Myles Garrett continues to get the award for "almost had a sack". Again, I'm not hating on Myles, but if the goal of the game was to get as CLOSE to the QB without actually bringing him down, he'd be the best of all time. I've never in my life seen a guy "almost get a sack" so many times in one season, and if Myles thought that DRISKELL was hard to bring down, then he's in for a treat this Sunday. Here's something else, and I could be wrong, so don't bite my head off, but going back to Texans game, I don't think we've recovered a single fumble that we've forced, and I can think of at least 5-6. When you play a running QB, the chance of fumbles goes up exponentially, especially if they run pitch or option plays. Additionally, Lamar is going to under-throw several passes, or over-throw a few, and we HAVE to snatch those. No more dropped INT's! (I'm talking to YOU Collins)
And you know what we REALLY NEED? How about a freaking defensive or special teams touchdown? How many teams in the league don't have one of those? I know WE don't, but I wonder how many others don't either. You would think that a team that did so well with turnovers would take at least ONE of them home, but you'd be wrong. Let's break that streak during the last game of the year.
Myles Garrett continues to get the award for "almost had a sack". Again, I'm not hating on Myles, but if the goal of the game was to get as CLOSE to the QB without actually bringing him down, he'd be the best of all time. I've never in my life seen a guy "almost get a sack" so many times in one season,
I took a lot of heat for labeling him ZUMBA INSTRUCTOR, but if we are being honest, the moniker fits him very, very well. Much of my original contempt for him had to do with his public cock-sucking of Jerry Jones. But let's be realistic about him.
I blasted, and CONTINUE to blast those who create these MEANINGLESS stats like "QB hurries"...even IF it were true, what QB DOESN'T get pressure, or hurried? Can anyone show stats for the end result of this moronic " hurrying"? Who is inducted to the HOF based on hurrying the QB?
Myles is very fast and very athletic. However, he is an annoyance, not a disrupter. He will get his share of athletic sacks, but he is not a monster of the midway. Offensive Line schemes have effectively minimized Garrett's impact. Surely, you cannot say that in any one game he was a major factor in destroying a defense. Peppers and Ogbah have far more overall impact on the opposition than Garrett.
For Garrett to be effective the Browns must add a Brenston Buckner type bull.
Myles is not Watt. He isn't Mean Joe, Eller or anything close. I still say he was a waste of a #1 #1. He is okay, but that's all he is, okay. When you have to make up a new statistic called " Almost Got to the QB", it is pretty clear that all I have said about him is true.
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