disconnect with reality in this board on bounty hunter/Kitchens and the search....
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apparently playoff teams stop the run.
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how more people aren't miffed about dropping 16 spots on the total team defense is beyond me.
how more people aren't miffed about dropping 16 spots on the total team defense is beyond me.
Duh.....because they went from -0- wins to 7? Also.....you are looking at the wrong stat.
How do they compare from 2017 to 2018 in points given up per game?
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how more people aren't miffed about dropping 16 spots on the total team defense is beyond me.
Duh.....because they went from -0- wins to 7? Also.....you are looking at the wrong stat.
How do they compare from 2017 to 2018 in points given up per game?
Duh.....because they went from -0- wins to 7? Also.....you are looking at the wrong stat.
How do they compare from 2017 to 2018 in points given up per game?
product of being on the field less. Offense scoring points forces the opposing offenses to change game plans. That being said I "FULLY" acknowledge that this defense came up huge at certain crucial points in the season. The talent is there to be a top 5 defense. It's the scheme that I started to take issue with about midway through the season. I started to see shit that made no sense. But we were winning, so what right? Well we could have been in the playoffs if that defense was more settled "imo". I just wonder if firing Hue made WIlliams lose a little contact with the defense. Maybe another interim HC should have come in? I dunno. But that defense is why we're not playing next Sunday.
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if you guys are ok with the 30th ranked defense in the league going into next year when it's very conceivable we can step on the entire AFC north's neck....
if you guys are ok with the 30th ranked defense in the league
We moved up a spot eh? We were ranked 31st most of the time that I was lookin'.
Apparently, Dorsey interviewed Williams yesterday. He got that out-of-the-way. And I guess Kitchens will get an interview too.
Although I too liked what these two guys did for our team when H&H were shown the door, I feel that we've seen the last of them on our home sidelines. (and I've said pretty much that since Hue was fired)
Dorsey will hire a new HC. This new HC will hire his coordinators. (that's just how these things are 'supposed to' work) This new HC will not know Kitchens from a bath room
. (tongue in cheek. he will know what happened to the Browns over this past year)
Now, Dorsey may tell this new HC that he should probably interview Kitchens...and explain what a great job he did with Haley's offense, Baker, and the rest of the offensive players....but ultimately the new HC will hire who he wants.
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if you guys are ok with the 30th ranked defense in the league
We moved up a spot eh? We were ranked 31st most of the time that I was lookin'.
Apparently, Dorsey interviewed Williams yesterday. He got that out-of-the-way. And I guess Kitchens will get an interview too.
Although I too liked what these two guys did for our team when H&H were shown the door, I feel that we've seen the last of them on our home sidelines. (and I've said pretty much that since Hue was fired)
Dorsey will hire a new HC. This new HC will hire his coordinators. (that's just how these things are 'supposed to' work) This new HC will not know Kitchens from a bath room
. (tongue in cheek. he will know what happened to the Browns over this past year)
Now, Dorsey may tell this new HC that he should probably interview Kitchens...and explain what a great job he did with Haley's offense, Baker, and the rest of the offensive players....but ultimately the new HC will hire who he wants.
Apparently, Dorsey interviewed Williams yesterday. He got that out-of-the-way. And I guess Kitchens will get an interview too.
Although I too liked what these two guys did for our team when H&H were shown the door, I feel that we've seen the last of them on our home sidelines. (and I've said pretty much that since Hue was fired)
Dorsey will hire a new HC. This new HC will hire his coordinators. (that's just how these things are 'supposed to' work) This new HC will not know Kitchens from a bath room
. (tongue in cheek. he will know what happened to the Browns over this past year)
Now, Dorsey may tell this new HC that he should probably interview Kitchens...and explain what a great job he did with Haley's offense, Baker, and the rest of the offensive players....but ultimately the new HC will hire who he wants.
Not so certain we've seen the last of Williams- and certainly not Kitchens. But it was telling when they played a sound byte of Dorsey tonight on Red Zone on what he was looking for in a head coach. First thing out of his mouth was "high character guy". Could well be the foot dragging on Williams is Dorsey doesn't view him as such.
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One thing on the D. We didn’t give up a ton of points. Injuries in the secondary didn’t help either. I figure a little more, better talent will do wonders next year. Blake was the one calling D plays after the hue flu too
talent wise im happy with that entire D except for two positions, interior DL and LDE.
talent wise im happy with that entire D except for two positions, interior DL and LDE.
What about depth? We’re still lacking terribly
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Apparently, Dorsey interviewed Williams yesterday. He got that out-of-the-way. And I guess Kitchens will get an interview too.
Although I too liked what these two guys did for our team when H&H were shown the door, I feel that we've seen the last of them on our home sidelines. (and I've said pretty much that since Hue was fired)
Dorsey will hire a new HC. This new HC will hire his coordinators. (that's just how these things are 'supposed to' work) This new HC will not know Kitchens from a bath room
. (tongue in cheek. he will know what happened to the Browns over this past year)
Now, Dorsey may tell this new HC that he should probably interview Kitchens...and explain what a great job he did with Haley's offense, Baker, and the rest of the offensive players....but ultimately the new HC will hire who he wants.
Not so certain we've seen the last of Williams- and certainly not Kitchens. But it was telling when they played a sound byte of Dorsey tonight on Red Zone on what he was looking for in a head coach. First thing out of his mouth was "high character guy". Could well be the foot dragging on Williams is Dorsey doesn't view him as such.
Not so certain we've seen the last of Williams- and certainly not Kitchens. But it was telling when they played a sound byte of Dorsey tonight on Red Zone on what he was looking for in a head coach. First thing out of his mouth was "high character guy". Could well be the foot dragging on Williams is Dorsey doesn't view him as such.
While true, this is from a Canton paper.
On if Williams' past NFL suspension is a strike against him as it relates to considering character for the position:
"I think he has paid his penalty for that."
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From the article for the Bengals:
Don’t: Hire Hue Jackson by any means.
Jackson was 3-36-1 in 2.5 seasons with the Browns. That wasn’t enough to stop Lewis from hiring his former offensive coordinator back to his staff this fall, where he was
in a pair of losses against Cleveland. The Bengals were 1-6 with Jackson on their staff, but that didn’t stop Lewis from recommending Jackson for his old job on the way out.
Around The NFL@AroundTheNFLMarvin Lewis endorses Hue Jackson for Bengals' head coaching job: "I think he's more than qualified"
nfl.com/news/story/0ap…
That would be a bad idea.
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From the article for the Bengals:
Don’t: Hire Hue Jackson by any means.
Jackson was 3-36-1 in 2.5 seasons with the Browns. That wasn’t enough to stop Lewis from hiring his former offensive coordinator back to his staff this fall, where he was
in a pair of losses against Cleveland. The Bengals were 1-6 with Jackson on their staff, but that didn’t stop Lewis from recommending Jackson for his old job on the way out.Around The NFL@AroundTheNFLMarvin Lewis endorses Hue Jackson for Bengals' head coaching job: "I think he's more than qualified"
nfl.com/news/story/0ap…That would be a bad idea.
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From the article for the Bengals:
Don’t: Hire Hue Jackson by any means.
Jackson was 3-36-1 in 2.5 seasons with the Browns. That wasn’t enough to stop Lewis from hiring his former offensive coordinator back to his staff this fall, where he was
in a pair of losses against Cleveland. The Bengals were 1-6 with Jackson on their staff, but that didn’t stop Lewis from recommending Jackson for his old job on the way out.Around The NFL@AroundTheNFLMarvin Lewis endorses Hue Jackson for Bengals' head coaching job: "I think he's more than qualified"
nfl.com/news/story/0ap…That would be a bad idea.
From the article for the Bengals:
Don’t: Hire Hue Jackson by any means.
Jackson was 3-36-1 in 2.5 seasons with the Browns. That wasn’t enough to stop Lewis from hiring his former offensive coordinator back to his staff this fall, where he was
in a pair of losses against Cleveland. The Bengals were 1-6 with Jackson on their staff, but that didn’t stop Lewis from recommending Jackson for his old job on the way out.That would be a bad idea.
It would be a great idea- from an AFC North & Browns standpoint. At least until Hue gets fired again.
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I get the sense as each day goes in that Williams isn't a Dorsey guy and retaining Kitchens is a top priority. I wouldn't be upset at all if we kept the coaching the same, but Williams showed some cracks in the armor in coaching situations down the stretch. Kitchens at least IMO has to be woo'ed to stay at all costs, even if it means offering the HC gig.
Simple truth though is that I'm unsure why anyone wouldn't blindly follow the lead of what Dorsey thinks is best. The only guy I'd truly not understand is Jim Caldwell, but that may have been a Rooney Rule interview.
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Cleve...
You keep harping on yards. You rightly noted that our Offense created pressure on the opposition to score.... but the opposition didn't... at least not to the extent they did in prior years.
Last year our turnovers gave short fields to the opponents regularly. We gave up cheap points early and often, and the lack of threat by our O gave opponents much of the 2nd-half off most Sundays. If you don't have far to go or need points, then you don't rack up yards.
Of your top ten run Ds... five are paired with top ten scoring Offenses (#3 NO; #5 IND; #6 LAC; #8 PTG and #9 CHI) and two more are added if we look at the top 13 (#11 HOU and #13 BLT). We all know that opposing teams abandon the run when they are down.
The other three are: #18 PHI, #22 DAL and #25 DET... two wild cards and an also ran.
Bottom line... you need proficiency on both sides of the ball to succeed and while we are not there yet, we made huge strides on both sides in 2018... in lockstep.
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