Lamar Jackson to the Ravens
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This is a tricky one. Let's try and keep it to this year.
If he doesn't play it's a push.
If he gets 2 out of 4 on the following list I win.
Lamar will be one of the top 3 passers in this rookie class. (Adjusted for playing time)
He will win atleast half of the games he starts.
He will complete atleast 60% of his passes with a 2:1 td/int ratio.
He will take the ravens to the playoffs.
Outside of the completion percentage I nailed this. I was nervous about these predictions because I was pretty much the only one on team Jackson. I'm not so crazy after all huh?
Outside of the completion percentage I nailed this. I was nervous about these predictions because I was pretty much the only one on team Jackson. I'm not so crazy after all huh?
He's a very good halfback, and throws the ball at least as good as Jarvis Landry.
Jackson has avoided taking a kill shot- so far.
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Well done. Now, O/U on how long his playing career lasts. I'll set it at 2 years.
I guess I didn't anticipate the Ravens dumbing down the offense in favor of short term gains. But Harbaugh saved his job.
I explained that's why I loved that fit. If he went to any other team I wouldnt have been that high on him but he had Greg Roman on his side. Hes made careers for Kapernick, Tyrod, and salvaged Alex Smith. I think if schottenheimer wansnt there I think Greg Roman would have done an even better job with him
I explained that's why I loved that fit. If he went to any other team I wouldnt have been that high on him but he had Greg Roman on his side. Hes made careers for Kapernick, Tyrod, and salvaged Alex Smith. I think if schottenheimer wansnt there I think Greg Roman would have done an even better job with him
"Careers" Is hardly the word for the first two. They're backups that require cutting down your offense in ways that make it ineffective (at best) at times.
Smith's time in KC showed he didn't rescue shit. Just brought ball control and identity to the Niners at that point.
You're still essentially making the connection you wanted Lamar and Roman here because you wanted to emulate Kaep. As the NFL showed, it'll catch up to you while costing you your QB.
I'll be back to bump your thread when Lamar starts missing open passes from the added punishment, has rush lanes closed on him and in general has issues being red zone effective.
Pray the Ravens don't play NE in Foxboro..
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Outside of the completion percentage I nailed this. I was nervous about these predictions because I was pretty much the only one on team Jackson. I'm not so crazy after all huh?
He's a very good halfback, and throws the ball at least as good as Jarvis Landry.
Jackson has avoided taking a kill shot- so far.
He's a very good halfback, and throws the ball at least as good as Jarvis Landry.
Jackson has avoided taking a kill shot- so far.
I've never seen him take a huge shot, hes like a greased pig. I dont think he is going to play more than 8 years but he will be a headache for us for the better part of a decade
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He's a very good halfback, and throws the ball at least as good as Jarvis Landry.
Jackson has avoided taking a kill shot- so far.
I've never seen him take a huge shot, hes like a greased pig. I dont think he is going to play more than 8 years but he will be a headache for us for the better part of a decade
I've never seen him take a huge shot,
Miss that last game?
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I explained that's why I loved that fit. If he went to any other team I wouldnt have been that high on him but he had Greg Roman on his side. Hes made careers for Kapernick, Tyrod, and salvaged Alex Smith. I think if schottenheimer wansnt there I think Greg Roman would have done an even better job with him
"Careers" Is hardly the word for the first two. They're backups that require cutting down your offense in ways that make it ineffective (at best) at times.
Smith's time in KC showed he didn't rescue shit. Just brought ball control and identity to the Niners at that point.
You're still essentially making the connection you wanted Lamar and Roman here because you wanted to emulate Kaep. As the NFL showed, it'll catch up to you while costing you your QB.
I'll be back to bump your thread when Lamar starts missing open passes from the added punishment, has rush lanes closed on him and in general has issues being red zone effective.
Pray the Ravens don't play NE in Foxboro..
"Careers" Is hardly the word for the first two. They're backups that require cutting down your offense in ways that make it ineffective (at best) at times.
Smith's time in KC showed he didn't rescue shit. Just brought ball control and identity to the Niners at that point.
You're still essentially making the connection you wanted Lamar and Roman here because you wanted to emulate Kaep. As the NFL showed, it'll catch up to you while costing you your QB.
I'll be back to bump your thread when Lamar starts missing open passes from the added punishment, has rush lanes closed on him and in general has issues being red zone effective.
Pray the Ravens don't play NE in Foxboro..
I openly admitted that I wanted Greg Roman's gimmick offense. We were coming from no offense and I know that his offense doesn't require an elite QB. I was attacking this offseason by trying to change the culture. I liked Baker and had him as our best option, but I didn't see a rookie QB turning around the browns
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He's a very good halfback, and throws the ball at least as good as Jarvis Landry.
Jackson has avoided taking a kill shot- so far.
I've never seen him take a huge shot, hes like a greased pig. I dont think he is going to play more than 8 years but he will be a headache for us for the better part of a decade
I've never seen him take a huge shot, hes like a greased pig. I dont think he is going to play more than 8 years but he will be a headache for us for the better part of a decade
Not if he doesn't improve his passing. "There are no old running quarterbacks in the NFL".
Didn't say he wasn't a good (make that great) runner. More on that later. Looking at his passing stats- he's remarkably similar to- gasp! Jeff Driskel!!! Yards, td\int & ratio, QBR.
For kicks and giggles, I took his 695 yards rushing in seven games (that's already 27th in the NFL) and projected it out to a 16 game season. = 1588 yards. More than Elliot, Barkley and Gurley put up in 2018. Just sayin' that's a recipe for an injury waiting to happen. I'll side with tia, and say the over\under on an major injury is 32 games, and I'll take the under.
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I agree he has alot of work to do as a passer and he can't run this much every year, but he has only used a playbook for 4 years now. There is no reason to think in a year or 2 he can't run that offense as well kapernick did and he was completing 70% of his passes.
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I agree he has alot of work to do as a passer and he can't run this much every year, but he has only used a playbook for 4 years now. There is no reason to think in a year or 2 he can't run that offense as well kapernick did and he was completing 70% of his passes.
I agree he has alot of work to do as a passer and he can't run this much every year, but he has only used a playbook for 4 years now. There is no reason to think in a year or 2 he can't run that offense as well kapernick did and he was completing 70% of his passes.
2013 SF 16 16 243 416 58.4 3,197 7.7 21 8 91.6 92 524 5.7 4 39 231 6 4 12–4 2014 SF 16 16 289 478 60.5 3,369 7.0 19 10 86.4 104 639 6.1 1 52 344 8 5 8–8 2015 SF 9 8 144 244 59.0 1,615 6.6 6 5 78.5 45 256 5.7 1 28 166 5 1 2–6 2016 SF 12 11 196 331 59.2 2,241 6.8 16 4 90.7 69 468 6.8 2 36 207 9 3 1–10 Kaep, even in his best season - never came close to a 70% completion rate.
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You're right. I thought I remembered a year where they were making a huge deal about his completion percentage. Maybe he had some good stretch or something.
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Jackson played in a solid offense at Louisville. This has been discussed before. Your don't rack up 2 seasons of great #s against solid teams by being lucky. He out gained Vicks total VT career stats in one season.
Ravens are a problem for many. Deal with it. He's almost impossible to defend. He's still green, and he'll get much better. Upside is like watson. Just needs to keep focused. If not for some mahomes magic, he'd be undefeated as a starter
I don't think he's missed any games yet. Vick told him to put about 20 lbs on... And he did. He was running less and less at Louisville each year too. Doesn't get hit that hard in any game I've seen, but he pops up like he's made of rubber when it happens
Vick told him to put about 20 lbs in the off season and he did. He's a freak level athlete back there. There is no qb like him
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Jackson played in a solid offense at Louisville. This has been discussed before. Your don't rack up 2 seasons of great #s against solid teams by being lucky. He out gained Vicks total VT career stats in one season.
Ravens are a problem for many. Deal with it. He's almost impossible to defend. He's still green, and he'll get much better. Upside is like watson. Just needs to keep focused. If not for some mahomes magic, he'd be undefeated as a starter
I don't think he's missed any games yet. Vick told him to put about 20 lbs on... And he did. He was running less and less at Louisville each year too. Doesn't get hit that hard in any game I've seen, but he pops up like he's made of rubber when it happens
Vick told him to put about 20 lbs in the off season and he did. He's a freak level athlete back there. There is no qb like him
I don't think he's missed any games yet. Vick told him to put about 20 lbs on... And he did.
I knew he looked bigger.
Still, sooner or later, at this level some 235# LB is going to hit him from the side he's not looking.
EDIT: And kudos to Slugger for the call... right now he's unique in the league and tough to defend against.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
I don't think he's missed any games yet. Vick told him to put about 20 lbs on... And he did.
I knew he looked bigger.
Still, sooner or later, at this level some 235# LB is going to hit him from the side he's not looking.
EDIT: And kudos to Slugger for the call... right now he's unique in the league and tough to defend against.
I knew he looked bigger.
Still, sooner or later, at this level some 235# LB is going to hit him from the side he's not looking.
EDIT: And kudos to Slugger for the call... right now he's unique in the league and tough to defend against.
Is he unique though? Or is it more of what the NFL has seen before save for the fact Lamar is paired with a curious run game design and the leagues best scoring defense...?
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I knew he looked bigger.
Still, sooner or later, at this level some 235# LB is going to hit him from the side he's not looking.
EDIT: And kudos to Slugger for the call... right now he's unique in the league and tough to defend against.
Is he unique though? Or is it more of what the NFL has seen before save for the fact Lamar is paired with a curious run game design and the leagues best scoring defense...?
Is he unique though? Or is it more of what the NFL has seen before save for the fact Lamar is paired with a curious run game design and the leagues best scoring defense...?
I think he's a step above any other qb like this. He's on another level of speed and change of direction
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I think he's a step above any other qb like this. He's on another level of speed and change of direction
BLUE STAR = TOP PERFORMER- 6'2"HEIGHT
- 32 1/4"ARM LENGTH
- 223LBS.WEIGHT
- 9 1/2
- 120 inch broad jump
- 39 inch vertical
I admit, his combine stats were ridiculous....
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I think he's a step above any other qb like this. He's on another level of speed and change of direction
BLUE STAR = TOP PERFORMER- 6'2"HEIGHT
- 32 1/4"ARM LENGTH
- 223LBS.WEIGHT
- 9 1/2
- 120 inch broad jump
- 39 inch vertical
I admit, his combine stats were ridiculous....
BLUE STAR = TOP PERFORMER- 6'2"HEIGHT
- 32 1/4"ARM LENGTH
- 223LBS.WEIGHT
- 9 1/2
- 120 inch broad jump
- 39 inch vertical
I admit, his combine stats were ridiculous....
Wish he ran the 40. The clips on YouTube showing every single td in his career, There's quite a few where you're just like "wow"
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BLUE STAR = TOP PERFORMER
- 6'2"HEIGHT
- 32 1/4"ARM LENGTH
- 223LBS.WEIGHT
- 9 1/2
- 120 inch broad jump
- 39 inch vertical
I admit, his combine stats were ridiculous....
Wish he ran the 40. The clips on YouTube showing every single td in his career, There's quite a few where you're just like "wow"
Wish he ran the 40. The clips on YouTube showing every single td in his career, There's quite a few where you're just like "wow"
The combine stats I linked were RG3's... I'll take my leave now.
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I knew he looked bigger.
Still, sooner or later, at this level some 235# LB is going to hit him from the side he's not looking.
EDIT: And kudos to Slugger for the call... right now he's unique in the league and tough to defend against.
Is he unique though? Or is it more of what the NFL has seen before save for the fact Lamar is paired with a curious run game design and the leagues best scoring defense...?
Is he unique though? Or is it more of what the NFL has seen before save for the fact Lamar is paired with a curious run game design and the leagues best scoring defense...?
Currently? Yes... no one the is running this Offense with this kind of triggerman to this extent.
Look at BLT's run production pre-Bye (Flacco) and post-Bye (Jackson)... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rav/2018.htm
Not sure what you mean by "curious", but I think the above makes the case that BLT run game is due to Jackson.
I think he's a step above any other qb like this. He's on another level of speed and change of direction
Even Mike Vick in his ATL prime?
I'll grant you there aren't many with his combo, e.g., RG3 had the speed, but not the change, but Vick had both... until he didn't.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
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BLUE STAR = TOP PERFORMER
- 6'2"HEIGHT
- 32 1/4"ARM LENGTH
- 223LBS.WEIGHT
- 9 1/2
- 120 inch broad jump
- 39 inch vertical
I admit, his combine stats were ridiculous....
Wish he ran the 40. The clips on YouTube showing every single td in his career, There's quite a few where you're just like "wow"
Wish he ran the 40. The clips on YouTube showing every single td in his career, There's quite a few where you're just like "wow"
He didn't run the 40 at the combine because "dammit, I'm a quarterback". Some GMs wanted Jackson to do the WR drills. The Terrell Pryor route beckons if he can't cut it behind center.
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Checked DraftScout for LJ, RG3 and MVick results... none worked out fully at Combine or Pro Days... so no 3-cone or shuttle times to compare "agility".
However, all three had 40 times (Low/"Official"/High) hand times as follows:
LJ: 40 Low: 4.32 40 Time: 4.42 40 High: 4.52; Height: 6-2 Weight: 216
RG: 40 Low: 4.23 40 Time: 4.33 40 High: 4.44; Height: 6-2 Weight: 223
MV: 40 Low: 4.23 40 Time: 4.33 40 High: 4.44; Height: 6-0 Weight: 210
RG did run at the Combine and posted a typically slower electronic time with splits: 40 Yrd Dash: 4.41 20 Yrd Dash: 2.58 10 Yrd Dash: 1.53
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