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  • @baconhound said:

    No one can, he's not as good as Pryor was.

    He's not as good? Stats say otherwise and the 2017 film shows plenty of great throws to see some flashes or potential to be a star.

    @sd_tom said:

    He's not as good? Stats say otherwise and the 2017 film shows plenty of great throws to see some flashes or potential to be a star.

    Stats aren't as relevant as they once were since systems and leagues are so different.  If stats and film were the entire story we would be partying in the streets over Baker Mayfield being a Brown not crossing our fingers.  

  • He is not ours.  He belongs to the ratpukers.  Fuyuck him.

  • @sd_tom said:

    He's not as good? Stats say otherwise and the 2017 film shows plenty of great throws to see some flashes or potential to be a star.

    Stats aren't as relevant as they once were since systems and leagues are so different.  If stats and film were the entire story we would be partying in the streets over Baker Mayfield being a Brown not crossing our fingers.  

    @baconhound said:

    Stats aren't as relevant as they once were since systems and leagues are so different.  If stats and film were the entire story we would be partying in the streets over Baker Mayfield being a Brown not crossing our fingers.  

    I realize stats aren't everything but nobody was ever talking about Pryor taking over as starting QB in his rookie year. It's a definite possibility that Jackson replaces Flaaco this season. People still act like all he does is scramble and run for his life.... and you don't get 3K+ yds 2 seasons in a row without making a lot of throws. 

  • @baconhound said:

    Stats aren't as relevant as they once were since systems and leagues are so different.  If stats and film were the entire story we would be partying in the streets over Baker Mayfield being a Brown not crossing our fingers.  

    I realize stats aren't everything but nobody was ever talking about Pryor taking over as starting QB in his rookie year. It's a definite possibility that Jackson replaces Flaaco this season. People still act like all he does is scramble and run for his life.... and you don't get 3K+ yds 2 seasons in a row without making a lot of throws. 

    @sd_tom said:

    I realize stats aren't everything but nobody was ever talking about Pryor taking over as starting QB in his rookie year. It's a definite possibility that Jackson replaces Flaaco this season. People still act like all he does is scramble and run for his life.... and you don't get 3K+ yds 2 seasons in a row without making a lot of throws. 

    Based on his interviews I've seen it will be at least 2022 before he learns the playbook. The number one reasons he slid as far as he did isn't because of his physical skills but rather concern on his overall IQ. 

  • @tour2ma said:

    Now Wonderlic equals IQ?

    Anyone here know Tyrod's Wonderlic?

    I do.

    It was 15.

    Tyrod at least speaks recognizable English. Is Jackson's mom a certified agent? Refused to run a 40. Just sayin' Tour- there's indications Lamar isn't exactly too bright. 

    http://www.baltimoreravens.com/videos/videos/Lamar-Jackson-NFL-Is-Totally-Different-From-College/3210d924-cdd8-4acd-b570-839083df4673

    @hoorta said:

    Tyrod at least speaks recognizable English. Is Jackson's mom a certified agent? Refused to run a 40. Just sayin' Tour- there's indications Lamar isn't exactly too bright. 

    http://www.baltimoreravens.com/videos/videos/Lamar-Jackson-NFL-Is-Totally-Different-From-College/3210d924-cdd8-4acd-b570-839083df4673

    This knucklefuk will have a tough time barking out signals in loud stadiums like Cleveland, Denver and Seattle.. My advice to Jackson.. Seek out a speech therapist.. He needs one badly....

  • Now Wonderlic equals IQ?

    Anyone here know Tyrod's Wonderlic?

    I do.

    It was 15.

    @tour2ma said:

    Now Wonderlic equals IQ?

    Anyone here know Tyrod's Wonderlic?

    I do.

    It was 15.

    i thought there was something new they were using 

  • @tiamat63 said:

    sig bet... let's go 

    I'm down. What's the bet?

    @louisville-slugger said:

    I'm down. What's the bet?

    Unfortunately Lamar won't be starting year one so we can't bet over RoTY.

    So we could bet on Lamar going to the pro bowl his first full year starting. 

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    @tour2ma said:

    Now Wonderlic equals IQ?

    Anyone here know Tyrod's Wonderlic?

    I do.

    It was 15.

    i thought there was something new they were using 

    @syd said:

    i thought there was something new they were using 

    Yes, the AIQ....Athlete Intelligence Quotient.   Baker Mayfield got the second highest score in the history of that test.   I am not sure who got the highest.

  • @syd said:

    i thought there was something new they were using 

    Yes, the AIQ....Athlete Intelligence Quotient.   Baker Mayfield got the second highest score in the history of that test.   I am not sure who got the highest.

    @the-gipper said:

    Yes, the AIQ....Athlete Intelligence Quotient.   Baker Mayfield got the second highest score in the history of that test.   I am not sure who got the highest.

    https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/22/baker-mayfield-advance-analytics-nfl-draft-oklahoma-pff

    Probably someone already posted it as it is a predraft article, but it's worth reading. I cannot wait to see him play, let's hope everything works out for us this time!

  • @louisville-slugger said:

    I'm down. What's the bet?

    Unfortunately Lamar won't be starting year one so we can't bet over RoTY.

    So we could bet on Lamar going to the pro bowl his first full year starting. 

    @tiamat63 said:

    Unfortunately Lamar won't be starting year one so we can't bet over RoTY.

    So we could bet on Lamar going to the pro bowl his first full year starting. 

    This is a tricky one. Let's try and keep it to this year.

    If he doesn't play it's a push.

    If he gets 2 out of 4 on the following list I win.

    Lamar will be one of the top 3 passers in this rookie class. (Adjusted for playing time)

    He will win atleast half of the games he starts.

    He will complete atleast 60% of his passes with a 2:1 td/int ratio.

    He will take the ravens to the playoffs.

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Unfortunately Lamar won't be starting year one so we can't bet over RoTY.

    So we could bet on Lamar going to the pro bowl his first full year starting. 

    This is a tricky one. Let's try and keep it to this year.

    If he doesn't play it's a push.

    If he gets 2 out of 4 on the following list I win.

    Lamar will be one of the top 3 passers in this rookie class. (Adjusted for playing time)

    He will win atleast half of the games he starts.

    He will complete atleast 60% of his passes with a 2:1 td/int ratio.

    He will take the ravens to the playoffs.

    @louisville-slugger said:

    This is a tricky one. Let's try and keep it to this year.

    If he doesn't play it's a push.

    If he gets 2 out of 4 on the following list I win.

    Lamar will be one of the top 3 passers in this rookie class. (Adjusted for playing time)

    He will win atleast half of the games he starts.

    He will complete atleast 60% of his passes with a 2:1 td/int ratio.

    He will take the ravens to the playoffs.

    Define top 3?  In Passer Rating? In QBR? etc etc

    Half of the games?  Easy enough to understand

    60% of his passes is another tricky one.  If he starts only 2 games with a very friendly and conservative game plan, that isn't a stretch to reach 60% in the modern NFL.

    Ravens to the Playoffs....  another easy one to understand.

    I would have to include something like... Has* to start at least 6 games for the stats portion to be something I'd accept.  Anything less than that is too small of a sample size.  

  • I was thinking the same thing.

    So he has to start 6 games or push.

    Top 3 passer rating among rookies.

    Win half his games

    60% completion with 2:1 TD/INT ratio

    Take the ravens to the playoffs

  • I was thinking the same thing.

    So he has to start 6 games or push.

    Top 3 passer rating among rookies.

    Win half his games

    60% completion with 2:1 TD/INT ratio

    Take the ravens to the playoffs

    @louisville-slugger said:

    I was thinking the same thing.

    So he has to start 6 games or push.

    Top 3 passer rating among rookies.

    Win half his games

    60% completion with 2:1 TD/INT ratio

    Take the ravens to the playoffs

    I'll take those odds.  

  • @louisville-slugger said:

    I was thinking the same thing.

    So he has to start 6 games or push.

    Top 3 passer rating among rookies.

    Win half his games

    60% completion with 2:1 TD/INT ratio

    Take the ravens to the playoffs

    I'll take those odds.  

    @tiamat63 said:

    I'll take those odds.  

    It's a bet then. 

  • @tiamat63 said:

    I'll take those odds.  

    It's a bet then. 

    @louisville-slugger said:

    It's a bet then. 

  • Five pages on a backup QB for the Ratpukers?  Why?

  • Five pages on a backup QB for the Ratpukers?  Why?

    @the-gipper said:

    Five pages on a backup QB for the Ratpukers?  Why?

    The Rooney rule?

    WSS

  • @the-gipper said:

    Five pages on a backup QB for the Ratpukers?  Why?

    The Rooney rule?

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    The Rooney rule?

    WSS

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  • Lamar is a fascinating prospect, has been for a couple of years.  Think about if Lamar entered the draft the year after Kaepernick took the 49's to the Super Bowl.  He'd be a top 5 pick, right?  Now, NFL trends change, but the one thing that hasn't is scoring points, and Lamar can definitely do that.  I don't see too many paths that have him winning rookie of the year, as I don't believe the Ravens would bench Flacco, and even if he's injured, I'm not sure they'd toss Lamar out there anyway.  But here's the thing:  If I was the coach who drafted him, I'd IMMEDIATELY have a package for him.  Can you imagine how much of a nightmare he'd be on 2 point conversions?  Short distances?  Red zone?  Even if the Ravens just show it in preseason, other teams are still going to need to prepare for him that week.  Lamar plays such a different style than Flacco, that if you didn't prepare for him, he'd destroy your defense with read-option alone.  He's simply faster than any other QB people have seen.  To be honest, most teams have largely managed to snuff out the read-options, which is why the Kaepernick style offenses have mostly gone bye-bye, although remnants still remain (many teams still implement variations of it).  But I watched Lamar long enough to know that if you aren't ready for HIM, he'll carve you a new one.  Can he do it all game long through a 16 game season?  That I don't know, but it's certainly going to be fun to watch, and I REALLY didn't want to see him go into our division. 

  • Lamar is a fascinating prospect, has been for a couple of years.  Think about if Lamar entered the draft the year after Kaepernick took the 49's to the Super Bowl.  He'd be a top 5 pick, right?  Now, NFL trends change, but the one thing that hasn't is scoring points, and Lamar can definitely do that.  I don't see too many paths that have him winning rookie of the year, as I don't believe the Ravens would bench Flacco, and even if he's injured, I'm not sure they'd toss Lamar out there anyway.  But here's the thing:  If I was the coach who drafted him, I'd IMMEDIATELY have a package for him.  Can you imagine how much of a nightmare he'd be on 2 point conversions?  Short distances?  Red zone?  Even if the Ravens just show it in preseason, other teams are still going to need to prepare for him that week.  Lamar plays such a different style than Flacco, that if you didn't prepare for him, he'd destroy your defense with read-option alone.  He's simply faster than any other QB people have seen.  To be honest, most teams have largely managed to snuff out the read-options, which is why the Kaepernick style offenses have mostly gone bye-bye, although remnants still remain (many teams still implement variations of it).  But I watched Lamar long enough to know that if you aren't ready for HIM, he'll carve you a new one.  Can he do it all game long through a 16 game season?  That I don't know, but it's certainly going to be fun to watch, and I REALLY didn't want to see him go into our division. 

    @jiggins7919 said:

    Lamar is a fascinating prospect, has been for a couple of years.  Think about if Lamar entered the draft the year after Kaepernick took the 49's to the Super Bowl.  He'd be a top 5 pick, right?  Now, NFL trends change, but the one thing that hasn't is scoring points, and Lamar can definitely do that.  I don't see too many paths that have him winning rookie of the year, as I don't believe the Ravens would bench Flacco, and even if he's injured, I'm not sure they'd toss Lamar out there anyway.  But here's the thing:  If I was the coach who drafted him, I'd IMMEDIATELY have a package for him.  Can you imagine how much of a nightmare he'd be on 2 point conversions?  Short distances?  Red zone?  Even if the Ravens just show it in preseason, other teams are still going to need to prepare for him that week.  Lamar plays such a different style than Flacco, that if you didn't prepare for him, he'd destroy your defense with read-option alone.  He's simply faster than any other QB people have seen.  To be honest, most teams have largely managed to snuff out the read-options, which is why the Kaepernick style offenses have mostly gone bye-bye, although remnants still remain (many teams still implement variations of it).  But I watched Lamar long enough to know that if you aren't ready for HIM, he'll carve you a new one.  Can he do it all game long through a 16 game season?  That I don't know, but it's certainly going to be fun to watch, and I REALLY didn't want to see him go into our division. 

    Dude ain't gonna last long running the option at 185lbs.