Lamar Jackson to the Ravens
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Interesting how the importance of the Wonderlic has suddenly seemed to wane.
Oh well...
Not for me Tour-
So, both starting QBs..Super Bowl winning QBs of the Squibs and the Ratpukers are squirming because of the young QBs they brought in in this draft. Let them squirm.
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He will have a cam Newton type effect on Baltimore
sig bet... let's go
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I suppose we'll never know Jackson's 40 time, since he refuse to get clocked for it at either the Combine or his pro day. As far as agility and fakes, that's running back or wr territory, not qb. None of the top 10 qbs (save Russell Wilson) are noted for their mobility. And Wilson only runs when he has to.
Sure, Jackson looks great running against college defenses, let's emphasize he won't be able to do that on a regular basis in the pros- he doesn't have the 230 pound build of Saquon Barkley
How long did RG III (same size as Lamar) last being a "runnning" quarterback?
It pretty much shocked me because I thought Baker Mayfield looked pretty fast when he ran at Oklahoma, and then only put up a 4.8 at the Combine.
Comparing Lamar to rg3 is just lazy. They ran completely different offenses. Lamar has never been hurt. Lamar has shown he's not just fast but an elite ball carrier. The sports science guys even said only 75% of his rushing yards came from designed runs. He is a pass first QB. His speed absolutey translates into the NFL. I have no problem sticking my neck out and saying he will be a very good QB. He will have a cam Newton type effect on Baltimore
Comparing Lamar to rg3 is just lazy. They ran completely different offenses. Lamar has never been hurt. Lamar has shown he's not just fast but an elite ball carrier. The sports science guys even said only 75% of his rushing yards came from designed runs. He is a pass first QB. His speed absolutey translates into the NFL. I have no problem sticking my neck out and saying he will be a very good QB. He will have a cam Newton type effect on Baltimore
I don't think the the comparison is lazy at all. Jackson is the superior athlete for sure, but he is a dual threat QB of similar stature. RG3 was the better passed, Jackson the better runner. I saw enough of Jackson in the ACC, he has issues, accuracy being one of them. Handling pressure in the pocket is the other. And listening to him speak makes me serious question his mental makeup play QB at an elite level in the NFL. I don't care that much about his wonderlic score as there are many examples of very good QBs who did not score great on that test. The Cam Newton comparison BTW is not equal. Cam is about 50 pound heavier and knows how to get down. Cam does exhibit similar accuracy issues tho.
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I wasn't comparing Cam Newton and Lamar Jackson as players I was talking about the effect they have on a team. Everything will revolve around Lamar when he takes over in Baltimore. He will shoulder the majority of the offense output.
Lamar has thrown more NFL passes then RG3. Baylor ran that gimmicky offense and inflated his stats. If you can compare RG3 to Lamar you can compare him to Russell Wilson, Seneca Wallace, Tyrod Taylor, or any other mobile QB. Lamars running ability over shadowed how much he developed as a passer. As a freshman I didn't think he could cut it as a passer but when I went back and watched him develop, I think he can develop into a pretty solid passer
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I'm down. What's the bet?
Give me until this weekend to think of terms that would be Cam Newton-esque.
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I was thinking the same exact thing - when they announced the Ravens selected Jackson I did not have one iota of "Uh oh". Didn't bother me at all.
Then he was interviewed on the stage, and man, he seems like he's a great kid, but the guy can barely put together a complete sentence. I'm not sure all the words he used was English. I literally said out loud: "They took THIS guy and think he's a franchise QB?"
Great kid, don't get me wrong. He seems very humble and hard working. But if you can detail to me in a paragraph or less what makes him so much more capable of being an NFL QB than say.... Pryor was when leaving tOSU - I might be willing to listen. Keep in mine, Terrelle worked in a pro-style offense, under center, with 3, 5 and 7 step drops.
Actually, I'll challenge anyone here that likes Jackson to answer that question. What traits and flashes have you seen of Lamar that would begin to make you believe he is somehow going to be an elite or even above average QB one day? Of course I ask this to be contrasted with Terrelle Pryor circa 2011. (Won't happen)
Aaaaaaand GO!
Great kid, don't get me wrong. He seems very humble and hard working. But if you can detail to me in a paragraph or less what makes him so much more capable of being an NFL QB than say.... Pryor was when leaving tOSU - I might be willing to listen. Keep in mine, Terrelle worked in a pro-style offense, under center, with 3, 5 and 7 step drops.
Actually, I'll challenge anyone here that likes Jackson to answer that question. What traits and flashes have you seen of Lamar that would begin to make you believe he is somehow going to be an elite or even above average QB one day? Of course I ask this to be contrasted with Terrelle Pryor circa 2011. (Won't happen)
Aaaaaaand GO!
No one can, he's not as good as Pryor was.
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Great kid, don't get me wrong. He seems very humble and hard working. But if you can detail to me in a paragraph or less what makes him so much more capable of being an NFL QB than say.... Pryor was when leaving tOSU - I might be willing to listen. Keep in mine, Terrelle worked in a pro-style offense, under center, with 3, 5 and 7 step drops.
Actually, I'll challenge anyone here that likes Jackson to answer that question. What traits and flashes have you seen of Lamar that would begin to make you believe he is somehow going to be an elite or even above average QB one day? Of course I ask this to be contrasted with Terrelle Pryor circa 2011. (Won't happen)
Aaaaaaand GO!
No one can, he's not as good as Pryor was.
No one can, he's not as good as Pryor was.
He's not as good? Stats say otherwise and the 2017 film shows plenty of great throws to see some flashes or potential to be a star.
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No one can, he's not as good as Pryor was.
He's not as good? Stats say otherwise and the 2017 film shows plenty of great throws to see some flashes or potential to be a star.
He's not as good? Stats say otherwise and the 2017 film shows plenty of great throws to see some flashes or potential to be a star.
Stats aren't as relevant as they once were since systems and leagues are so different. If stats and film were the entire story we would be partying in the streets over Baker Mayfield being a Brown not crossing our fingers.
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He is not ours. He belongs to the ratpukers. Fuyuck him.
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He's not as good? Stats say otherwise and the 2017 film shows plenty of great throws to see some flashes or potential to be a star.
Stats aren't as relevant as they once were since systems and leagues are so different. If stats and film were the entire story we would be partying in the streets over Baker Mayfield being a Brown not crossing our fingers.
Stats aren't as relevant as they once were since systems and leagues are so different. If stats and film were the entire story we would be partying in the streets over Baker Mayfield being a Brown not crossing our fingers.
I realize stats aren't everything but nobody was ever talking about Pryor taking over as starting QB in his rookie year. It's a definite possibility that Jackson replaces Flaaco this season. People still act like all he does is scramble and run for his life.... and you don't get 3K+ yds 2 seasons in a row without making a lot of throws.
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Stats aren't as relevant as they once were since systems and leagues are so different. If stats and film were the entire story we would be partying in the streets over Baker Mayfield being a Brown not crossing our fingers.
I realize stats aren't everything but nobody was ever talking about Pryor taking over as starting QB in his rookie year. It's a definite possibility that Jackson replaces Flaaco this season. People still act like all he does is scramble and run for his life.... and you don't get 3K+ yds 2 seasons in a row without making a lot of throws.
I realize stats aren't everything but nobody was ever talking about Pryor taking over as starting QB in his rookie year. It's a definite possibility that Jackson replaces Flaaco this season. People still act like all he does is scramble and run for his life.... and you don't get 3K+ yds 2 seasons in a row without making a lot of throws.
Based on his interviews I've seen it will be at least 2022 before he learns the playbook. The number one reasons he slid as far as he did isn't because of his physical skills but rather concern on his overall IQ.
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Now Wonderlic equals IQ?
Anyone here know Tyrod's Wonderlic?
I do.
It was 15.
Tyrod at least speaks recognizable English. Is Jackson's mom a certified agent? Refused to run a 40. Just sayin' Tour- there's indications Lamar isn't exactly too bright.
Tyrod at least speaks recognizable English. Is Jackson's mom a certified agent? Refused to run a 40. Just sayin' Tour- there's indications Lamar isn't exactly too bright.
This knucklefuk will have a tough time barking out signals in loud stadiums like Cleveland, Denver and Seattle.. My advice to Jackson.. Seek out a speech therapist.. He needs one badly....
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I'm down. What's the bet?
Unfortunately Lamar won't be starting year one so we can't bet over RoTY.
So we could bet on Lamar going to the pro bowl his first full year starting.
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i thought there was something new they were using
Yes, the AIQ....Athlete Intelligence Quotient. Baker Mayfield got the second highest score in the history of that test. I am not sure who got the highest.
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Yes, the AIQ....Athlete Intelligence Quotient. Baker Mayfield got the second highest score in the history of that test. I am not sure who got the highest.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/22/baker-mayfield-advance-analytics-nfl-draft-oklahoma-pff
Probably someone already posted it as it is a predraft article, but it's worth reading. I cannot wait to see him play, let's hope everything works out for us this time!
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I'm down. What's the bet?
Unfortunately Lamar won't be starting year one so we can't bet over RoTY.
So we could bet on Lamar going to the pro bowl his first full year starting.
Unfortunately Lamar won't be starting year one so we can't bet over RoTY.
So we could bet on Lamar going to the pro bowl his first full year starting.
This is a tricky one. Let's try and keep it to this year.
If he doesn't play it's a push.
If he gets 2 out of 4 on the following list I win.
Lamar will be one of the top 3 passers in this rookie class. (Adjusted for playing time)
He will win atleast half of the games he starts.
He will complete atleast 60% of his passes with a 2:1 td/int ratio.
He will take the ravens to the playoffs.
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Unfortunately Lamar won't be starting year one so we can't bet over RoTY.
So we could bet on Lamar going to the pro bowl his first full year starting.
This is a tricky one. Let's try and keep it to this year.
If he doesn't play it's a push.
If he gets 2 out of 4 on the following list I win.
Lamar will be one of the top 3 passers in this rookie class. (Adjusted for playing time)
He will win atleast half of the games he starts.
He will complete atleast 60% of his passes with a 2:1 td/int ratio.
He will take the ravens to the playoffs.
This is a tricky one. Let's try and keep it to this year.
If he doesn't play it's a push.
If he gets 2 out of 4 on the following list I win.
Lamar will be one of the top 3 passers in this rookie class. (Adjusted for playing time)
He will win atleast half of the games he starts.
He will complete atleast 60% of his passes with a 2:1 td/int ratio.
He will take the ravens to the playoffs.
Define top 3? In Passer Rating? In QBR? etc etc
Half of the games? Easy enough to understand
60% of his passes is another tricky one. If he starts only 2 games with a very friendly and conservative game plan, that isn't a stretch to reach 60% in the modern NFL.
Ravens to the Playoffs.... another easy one to understand.
I would have to include something like... Has* to start at least 6 games for the stats portion to be something I'd accept. Anything less than that is too small of a sample size.
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I was thinking the same thing.
So he has to start 6 games or push.
Top 3 passer rating among rookies.
Win half his games
60% completion with 2:1 TD/INT ratio
Take the ravens to the playoffs
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I was thinking the same thing.
So he has to start 6 games or push.
Top 3 passer rating among rookies.
Win half his games
60% completion with 2:1 TD/INT ratio
Take the ravens to the playoffs
I was thinking the same thing.
So he has to start 6 games or push.
Top 3 passer rating among rookies.
Win half his games
60% completion with 2:1 TD/INT ratio
Take the ravens to the playoffs
I'll take those odds.
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