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  • Actually, I think you should consider this one...

    E=1/2mv^2

    The energy at impact is proportional to velocity squared...

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  • Actually, I think you should consider this one...

    E=1/2mv^2

    The energy at impact is proportional to velocity squared...

    ??

    @choco said:

    Actually, I think you should consider this one...

    E=1/2mv^2

    The energy at impact is proportional to velocity squared...

    ??

    Is this math or physics 

  • @choco said:

    Actually, I think you should consider this one...

    E=1/2mv^2

    The energy at impact is proportional to velocity squared...

    ??

    Is this math or physics 

    @the-gipper said:

    Is this math or physics 

    Physics is essentially math to describe an event. In this case how much energy is created when two objects collide. 🙂

  • @clevfan4life said:

    Ur right Our defense is so good. Its so good its near dead last in the nfl...no wait i mean its like 15th in some random obscure alternate universe where yards given up over the course of 16 games is not the measure anymore of a defense. 

    Im sure if dick butkus was listening in on this thread he'd be like now fuck me running whats this dvda business? Lols......this is what stats kunts have done to football. You can give up almost the most amt of yds in the entire NFL but someone will pipe up and say but we havent "contextualized" these yards. Is a yard really a yard? What is a yard afterall? Who says a yard is a yard? What is this arbitrary measure of distance? Who says more yards isnt better than less yards? I defy these archaic measures of defensive competence that rely simply on lining up and beating ur man. Pfffttttt

    Lalalalalalalalalalalaa

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    Yeah, and I already pointed out by your same yardstick, Kansas City's defense is even worse than the Browns, and they're the #1 seed. 

    We're going to try to improve the defense this off season- so stop bitching about what happened in 2018. 

    @hoorta said:

    Yeah, and I already pointed out by your same yardstick, Kansas City's defense is even worse than the Browns, and they're the #1 seed. 

    We're going to try to improve the defense this off season- so stop bitching about what happened in 2018. 

    because of Mahommes. The first team that controls the ball and runs all over them, while still scoring points at the end of those long drives..that's the crucial part....that team will win. Peyton Manning only had one ring with the Colts because the prolific pass rushing defense with mathis and freeney couldn't stop the run come playoff time. That's been written about countless times, that's not "my" analysis. Infact that's how I became so adamant about having a defense that can at least serviceably stop the run....because I watched a defense nerf the career of who imo is the greatest QB of all time. 

  • Actually, I think you should consider this one...

    E=1/2mv^2

    The energy at impact is proportional to velocity squared...

    ??

    @choco said:

    Actually, I think you should consider this one...

    E=1/2mv^2

    The energy at impact is proportional to velocity squared...

    ??

    Interesting. So if we take the square root of the yds given up by this defense than divide by 2...….is that DVDA?

  • @hoorta said:

    Yeah, and I already pointed out by your same yardstick, Kansas City's defense is even worse than the Browns, and they're the #1 seed. 

    We're going to try to improve the defense this off season- so stop bitching about what happened in 2018. 

    because of Mahommes. The first team that controls the ball and runs all over them, while still scoring points at the end of those long drives..that's the crucial part....that team will win. Peyton Manning only had one ring with the Colts because the prolific pass rushing defense with mathis and freeney couldn't stop the run come playoff time. That's been written about countless times, that's not "my" analysis. Infact that's how I became so adamant about having a defense that can at least serviceably stop the run....because I watched a defense nerf the career of who imo is the greatest QB of all time. 

    @clevfan4life said:

    because of Mahommes. The first team that controls the ball and runs all over them, while still scoring points at the end of those long drives..that's the crucial part....that team will win. Peyton Manning only had one ring with the Colts because the prolific pass rushing defense with mathis and freeney couldn't stop the run come playoff time. That's been written about countless times, that's not "my" analysis. Infact that's how I became so adamant about having a defense that can at least serviceably stop the run....because I watched a defense nerf the career of who imo is the greatest QB of all time. 

    We're arguing about the same thing- don't get defensive. Do the Browns need to improve the run defense to be a serious Super Bowl contender? Absolutely. We can argue about the specifics on how to get there. 

    Now if Baker takes the next step and starts putting up Mahomes numbers this year, it won't be quite as important. The 2019 goal is the playoffs, Super Bowl is a stretch. 

  • @clevfan4life said:

    because of Mahommes. The first team that controls the ball and runs all over them, while still scoring points at the end of those long drives..that's the crucial part....that team will win. Peyton Manning only had one ring with the Colts because the prolific pass rushing defense with mathis and freeney couldn't stop the run come playoff time. That's been written about countless times, that's not "my" analysis. Infact that's how I became so adamant about having a defense that can at least serviceably stop the run....because I watched a defense nerf the career of who imo is the greatest QB of all time. 

    We're arguing about the same thing- don't get defensive. Do the Browns need to improve the run defense to be a serious Super Bowl contender? Absolutely. We can argue about the specifics on how to get there. 

    Now if Baker takes the next step and starts putting up Mahomes numbers this year, it won't be quite as important. The 2019 goal is the playoffs, Super Bowl is a stretch. 

    @hoorta said:

    We're arguing about the same thing- don't get defensive. Do the Browns need to improve the run defense to be a serious Super Bowl contender? Absolutely. We can argue about the specifics on how to get there. 

    Now if Baker takes the next step and starts putting up Mahomes numbers this year, it won't be quite as important. The 2019 goal is the playoffs, Super Bowl is a stretch. 

    The SB is not a stretch to me. I watched a rookie QB put up historic numbers with a "decent" but cobbled together WR crew. Face it, this is not the WR corp we thought we were going to have at the beginning of the year. We expected Landry ofc but also Coleman and Josh to be the guys. What's happened is amazing and I give those guys credit for stepping up, but it's Baker mainly. We have to strike now. Im not suggesting going out and finding Mack like contracts, like im not suggesting we spread our cheeks for a diva like Brown to come in and fuck everything up....but we need to move now with some FA signings to shore up key deficiencies so that we have the north wrapped up next year "easily" and we're in the discussion for AFC championship. What we do the next 1-2 years will determine how well we can keep talent like Myles. To me Garrett is every bit as important as Baker because like a good QB, players want to come play with other stud defensive players like that. Especially down lineman. Hard to attract a great pass rusher to ur team cause you have a great CB, but another pass rusher or DL like Myles and that brings em here.

    And that KC defense, it was fine for them to coast through the season on Mahommes back....but in the playoffs, if they think they're gonna get away with that....their HC should bring in Manning to have a talk with them about how his historic offensive performances meant nothing come playoff time when he couldn't get on the field. 

  • Actually, I think you should consider this one...

    E=1/2mv^2

    The energy at impact is proportional to velocity squared...

    ??

    @choco said:

    Actually, I think you should consider this one...

    E=1/2mv^2

    The energy at impact is proportional to velocity squared...

    ??

    @hoorta said:

    Physics is essentially math to describe an event. In this case how much energy is created when two objects collide. 🙂

  • wait, gtfo they made a 2nd hot tub time machine? how the fuck did that get greenlighted? was it straight to on demand or some shit? God, after the 1st one....how the fuck? who pays for this shit?

  • @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    His neck is built really thick. Maybe you’re right about him getting hit but I think he’ll be able to handle it.

    Also while moving that fast it’s hard to get a good shot on the QB. 

    He is literally faster than most guys on any front 7..as well as lot of safeties.. he is a matchup nightmare because his arm is to be respected. He hits holes and cuts like an RB. 

    When it comes to reads.. time will tell. If he can develop as a passer, it would be very bad news for the AFCN..

    That's cool,  RG3 is still faster than any LB in the NFL and some safeties.  I think you fail to understand this point - time and punishment is the enemy of any football player.   Baltimore is asking their QB to double his contact rate and be a long-term franchise QB (10 years) That simply is unheard of and hard to imagine will happen in 2019.

    Edit: I would also say Lamar is every bit as raw as Tebow was.  RG3 had better passing mechanics so this makes the improvement curve that much more steep.   You're starting at a lower point than most young QB's and the Ravens know that. 

    @tiamat63 said:

    That's cool,  RG3 is still faster than any LB in the NFL and some safeties.  I think you fail to understand this point - time and punishment is the enemy of any football player.   Baltimore is asking their QB to double his contact rate and be a long-term franchise QB (10 years) That simply is unheard of and hard to imagine will happen in 2019.

    Edit: I would also say Lamar is every bit as raw as Tebow was.  RG3 had better passing mechanics so this makes the improvement curve that much more steep.   You're starting at a lower point than most young QB's and the Ravens know that. 

    RG3 is not that fast anymore, bro.

    He wasn’t the same after the injury.

  • @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    His neck is built really thick. Maybe you’re right about him getting hit but I think he’ll be able to handle it.

    Also while moving that fast it’s hard to get a good shot on the QB. 

    He is literally faster than most guys on any front 7..as well as lot of safeties.. he is a matchup nightmare because his arm is to be respected. He hits holes and cuts like an RB. 

    When it comes to reads.. time will tell. If he can develop as a passer, it would be very bad news for the AFCN..

    As I and others have said at this point, Jackson is essentially a running back, with below average passing skills. Comparing his accuracy to Mayfield's is a joke. As I pointed out at the rate he's ran the ball this year (nearly 100 yards per game) he'd be on pace to win the rushing title next year. That's just plain crazy to think it's sustainable.

    And remember the physics equation. Force = Mass X Acceleration. The faster Lamar is moving, the bigger the hit he's going to take.

    @hoorta said:

    That's just plain crazy to think it's sustainable.

    And remember the physics equation. Force = Mass X Acceleration. The faster Lamar is moving, the bigger the hit he's going to take.

    It’s not sustainable.. if he develops as a passer, he won’t run as much therefore take less hits.

    As for hits, there are more variables to take into consideration, like center of gravity, weight of players, etc. not everyone is built the same.. 

    All that I’m trying to say is that he has the potential to be scary good.

    Of course if their run game/defense was bad, he’d be struggling right now. I get that.

  • @tiamat63 said:

    That's cool,  RG3 is still faster than any LB in the NFL and some safeties.  I think you fail to understand this point - time and punishment is the enemy of any football player.   Baltimore is asking their QB to double his contact rate and be a long-term franchise QB (10 years) That simply is unheard of and hard to imagine will happen in 2019.

    Edit: I would also say Lamar is every bit as raw as Tebow was.  RG3 had better passing mechanics so this makes the improvement curve that much more steep.   You're starting at a lower point than most young QB's and the Ravens know that. 

    RG3 is not that fast anymore, bro.

    He wasn’t the same after the injury.

    @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    RG3 is not that fast anymore, bro.

    He wasn’t the same after the injury.

    So you're admitting he was fast before the injury?   Funny, that didn't seem to save him...

  • @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    RG3 is not that fast anymore, bro.

    He wasn’t the same after the injury.

    So you're admitting he was fast before the injury?   Funny, that didn't seem to save him...

    @tiamat63 said:

    So you're admitting he was fast before the injury?   Funny, that didn't seem to save him...

    RG3 was a system QB. He had guys wide open because of the zone run scheme with Alfred Morris tearing it up.

    He never had the arm to be a threat from he pocket. 

  • @tiamat63 said:

    So you're admitting he was fast before the injury?   Funny, that didn't seem to save him...

    RG3 was a system QB. He had guys wide open because of the zone run scheme with Alfred Morris tearing it up.

    He never had the arm to be a threat from he pocket. 

    @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    RG3 was a system QB. He had guys wide open because of the zone run scheme with Alfred Morris tearing it up.

    He never had the arm to be a threat from he pocket. 

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    So now that you've been refreshed, RG3 had a live arm... which was never his issue.   I'll leave any more brilliant rebuttals to you. 

    edit:  I'm just convinced you're fucking trolling at this point.     Prove me otherwise.  

  • @choco said:

    Actually, I think you should consider this one...

    E=1/2mv^2

    The energy at impact is proportional to velocity squared...

    ??

    @hoorta said:

    Physics is essentially math to describe an event. In this case how much energy is created when two objects collide. 🙂

    @tiamat63 said:

    ROTFL.  Hey- my best friend, HIgh School buddy and College roommate graduated Summa Cum Laude with a major in physics. Figured he couldn't make money doing that, so went to Medical School instead. Didn't even bother buying a book for freshman calculus. Unfortunately, his math genius didn't rub off on me. He saved my ass when I took the watered down Physical Chemistry for medical majors. The guy actually understood and thought thermodynamics was pretty easy.  🙂  If I was better in the math department, I might have gone for a degree in Astronomy, or certainly chemistry (I was one course short of a minor there). 

  • @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    His neck is built really thick. Maybe you’re right about him getting hit but I think he’ll be able to handle it.

    Also while moving that fast it’s hard to get a good shot on the QB. 

    He is literally faster than most guys on any front 7..as well as lot of safeties.. he is a matchup nightmare because his arm is to be respected. He hits holes and cuts like an RB. 

    When it comes to reads.. time will tell. If he can develop as a passer, it would be very bad news for the AFCN..

    That's cool,  RG3 is still faster than any LB in the NFL and some safeties.  I think you fail to understand this point - time and punishment is the enemy of any football player.   Baltimore is asking their QB to double his contact rate and be a long-term franchise QB (10 years) That simply is unheard of and hard to imagine will happen in 2019.

    Edit: I would also say Lamar is every bit as raw as Tebow was.  RG3 had better passing mechanics so this makes the improvement curve that much more steep.   You're starting at a lower point than most young QB's and the Ravens know that. 

    @tiamat63 said:

    That's cool,  RG3 is still faster than any LB in the NFL and some safeties.  I think you fail to understand this point - time and punishment is the enemy of any football player.   Baltimore is asking their QB to double his contact rate and be a long-term franchise QB (10 years) That simply is unheard of and hard to imagine will happen in 2019.

    RG3... Vick... there's a list.

    There are running QBs. There's are old QBs. There are no old, running QBs.

    @clevfan4life said:

    Lalalalalalalalalalalaa

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    lol...

    @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    It’s not sustainable.. if he develops as a passer, he won’t run as much therefore take less hits.

    As for hits, there are more variables to take into consideration, like center of gravity, weight of players, etc. not everyone is built the same.. 

    All that I’m trying to say is that he has the potential to be scary good.

    Of course if their run game/defense was bad, he’d be struggling right now. I get that.

    No dispute excepting the size of the "if" in "if he develops"...

    He was and still is primarily a one-read QB... and from what I've seen (mostly at UL) that one read had to be well open. So there's a long road ahead of him.

    Not saying he won't make it as a passer... just that I do not like his odds.

    We shall see...

  • @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    RG3 was a system QB. He had guys wide open because of the zone run scheme with Alfred Morris tearing it up.

    He never had the arm to be a threat from he pocket. 

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    So now that you've been refreshed, RG3 had a live arm... which was never his issue.   I'll leave any more brilliant rebuttals to you. 

    edit:  I'm just convinced you're fucking trolling at this point.     Prove me otherwise.  

    @tiamat63 said:

    naNEzNm.gif?noredirect

    So now that you've been refreshed, RG3 had a live arm... which was never his issue.   I'll leave any more brilliant rebuttals to you. 

    edit:  I'm just convinced you're fucking trolling at this point.     Prove me otherwise.  

    Lmao did you just bust a nut or something?

    I’m not watching that but by the time he got to Cleveland his arm was very subpar. I’m not wasting my time watching highlights from years ago I have no interest in

    edit: I wastched the video. First 5 throws were to the flat. One was inaccurate, behind the RB. The throw to the wide open Garçon was poorly placed. Throwing motion is long and not quick...

    My opinion remains unchanged.

    Good try tho.

  • @tiamat63 said:

    naNEzNm.gif?noredirect

    So now that you've been refreshed, RG3 had a live arm... which was never his issue.   I'll leave any more brilliant rebuttals to you. 

    edit:  I'm just convinced you're fucking trolling at this point.     Prove me otherwise.  

    Lmao did you just bust a nut or something?

    I’m not watching that but by the time he got to Cleveland his arm was very subpar. I’m not wasting my time watching highlights from years ago I have no interest in

    edit: I wastched the video. First 5 throws were to the flat. One was inaccurate, behind the RB. The throw to the wide open Garçon was poorly placed. Throwing motion is long and not quick...

    My opinion remains unchanged.

    Good try tho.

    @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    Lmao did you just bust a nut or something?

    I’m not watching that but by the time he got to Cleveland his arm was very subpar. I’m not wasting my time watching highlights from years ago I have no interest in

    edit: I wastched the video. First 5 throws were to the flat. One was inaccurate, behind the rn. The throw to the wide open Garçon was poorly placed. My opinion remains unchanged.

    Good try tho.

    So you "watched" But have no idea what you're looking at by design then. 

    Sweet.   Noted.   

  • @tiamat63 said:

    ROTFL.  Hey- my best friend, HIgh School buddy and College roommate graduated Summa Cum Laude with a major in physics. Figured he couldn't make money doing that, so went to Medical School instead. Didn't even bother buying a book for freshman calculus. Unfortunately, his math genius didn't rub off on me. He saved my ass when I took the watered down Physical Chemistry for medical majors. The guy actually understood and thought thermodynamics was pretty easy.  🙂  If I was better in the math department, I might have gone for a degree in Astronomy, or certainly chemistry (I was one course short of a minor there). 

    @hoorta said:

    ROTFL.  Hey- my best friend, HIgh School buddy and College roommate graduated Summa Cum Laude with a major in physics. Figured he couldn't make money doing that, so went to Medical School instead. Didn't even bother buying a book for freshman calculus. Unfortunately, his math genius didn't rub off on me. He saved my ass when I took the watered down Physical Chemistry for medical majors. The guy actually understood and thought thermodynamics was pretty easy.  🙂  If I was better in the math department, I might have gone for a degree in Astronomy, or certainly chemistry (I was one course short of a minor there). 

    LOL-I'm married to one of those. First and only Bs she ever got were freshman year at Cornell. Since she graduated Magna Cum Laude there could not have been too many. However if you measured out common sense I'd get a bucket and she'd get a thimble. That is generally acknowledged in the family. My Magna Cum Laude son in law in computer science once asked my daughter if she was sure her mom really graduated from Cornell with those kind of honors because she didn't have a lick of common sense. LOL! Just verified what my daughter, son and I knew already.?

  • @clevelandwantsplayoffs said:

    Lmao did you just bust a nut or something?

    I’m not watching that but by the time he got to Cleveland his arm was very subpar. I’m not wasting my time watching highlights from years ago I have no interest in

    edit: I wastched the video. First 5 throws were to the flat. One was inaccurate, behind the rn. The throw to the wide open Garçon was poorly placed. My opinion remains unchanged.

    Good try tho.

    So you "watched" But have no idea what you're looking at by design then. 

    Sweet.   Noted.   

    @tiamat63 said:

    So you "watched" But have no idea what you're looking at by design then. 

    Sweet.   Noted.   

    Oh no a random on the Internet noted something! ???