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  • @tour2ma said:

    Currently? Yes... no one the is running this Offense with this kind of triggerman to this extent.

    Look at BLT's run production pre-Bye (Flacco) and post-Bye (Jackson)... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rav/2018.htm

    Not sure what you mean by "curious", but I think the above makes the case that BLT run game is due to Jackson.

    Even Mike Vick in his ATL prime?

    I'll grant you there aren't many with his combo, e.g., RG3 had the speed, but not the change, but Vick had both... until he didn't.

    Of course the run game is going to produce more with Jackson,  that was never in question.  Thanks to his legs and some great defense the Ravens have enjoyed a nice stretch of winning.  

    How long that will last,  remains to be seen.    With Lamar on reads and designed rushes you have a 1on1 or +1 in most every situation.  Couple that with a coach wanting to keep his job and a renewed emphasis on the running game... Voila.  

    Edit: my curious comment is to imply the width of option plays and the formations in which they're being run.  Blt seemingly asking their young QB to run into harms way quite often.   

    @tiamat63 said:

    Of course the run game is going to produce more with Jackson,  that was never in question.  Thanks to his legs and some great defense the Ravens have enjoyed a nice stretch of winning.  

    How long that will last,  remains to be seen.    With Lamar on reads and designed rushes you have a 1on1 or +1 in most every situation.  Couple that with a coach wanting to keep his job and a renewed emphasis on the running game... Voila.  

    Edit: my curious comment is to imply the width of option plays and the formations in which they're being run.  Blt seemingly asking their young QB to run into harms way quite often.   

    Got it...

    Harbaugh does look to be using LJ like an HC worried about the short term... as in save my job today, please.

    I think you missed my point on the run game. It was pure shite prior to the bye. Eyeballing the figures in the earlier link, but it looks to have gone from around 90 ypg pre to over 210 post. That's more than just adding LJ's running.... that's adding the threat of him running.

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Of course the run game is going to produce more with Jackson,  that was never in question.  Thanks to his legs and some great defense the Ravens have enjoyed a nice stretch of winning.  

    How long that will last,  remains to be seen.    With Lamar on reads and designed rushes you have a 1on1 or +1 in most every situation.  Couple that with a coach wanting to keep his job and a renewed emphasis on the running game... Voila.  

    Edit: my curious comment is to imply the width of option plays and the formations in which they're being run.  Blt seemingly asking their young QB to run into harms way quite often.   

    Got it...

    Harbaugh does look to be using LJ like an HC worried about the short term... as in save my job today, please.

    I think you missed my point on the run game. It was pure shite prior to the bye. Eyeballing the figures in the earlier link, but it looks to have gone from around 90 ypg pre to over 210 post. That's more than just adding LJ's running.... that's adding the threat of him running.

    @tour2ma said:

    Got it...

    Harbaugh does look to be using LJ like an HC worried about the short term... as in save my job today, please.

    I think you missed my point on the run game. It was pure shite prior to the bye. Eyeballing the figures in the earlier link, but it looks to have gone from around 90 ypg pre to over 210 post. That's more than just adding LJ's running.... that's adding the threat of him running.

    I don't feel I missed your point.    But the option game between the 20's is going to get some serious yardage and now defenses have to account for the QB in this scheme where area's nobody was threatened by Flacco's legs.     If the run game didn't* get better then something would have to be seriously off.

    Doing a little numbers/stat crunch and comparison between this Ravens team, the 2012 Skins and the 2011 Donkeys when Tea Biscuit took over.  Stayed tuned, kids.  

  • Well coach Williams figured out how to slow him down second half of the game Havasu meaning the Chargers will pick up where he left off. Hopefully.

    WSS

  • Well coach Williams figured out how to slow him down second half of the game Havasu meaning the Chargers will pick up where he left off. Hopefully.

    WSS

    @westside-steve said:

    Well coach Williams figured out how to slow him down second half of the game Havasu meaning the Chargers will pick up where he left off. Hopefully.

    WSS

    And hopefully Rivers won't have an off game. Two ints, no TDs sacked 4 times....  

  • Jackson is a wet dream, won’t last and makes a mess.  A qb in the nfl that can’t pass.  Hmmmm oh Tebow he was awesome oh and he won like 6 games.  Big dam deal.  He was a fourth round qb at best.  Thing is there offense is the easiest to stop.  Weather it be pride or stupidity the coordinaters in the league won’t run a 5-2 d to stop it and make him throw.  The bear d will cripple that team let’s hope the chargers are smarter than the browns were. 

  • Jackson is a wet dream, won’t last and makes a mess.  A qb in the nfl that can’t pass.  Hmmmm oh Tebow he was awesome oh and he won like 6 games.  Big dam deal.  He was a fourth round qb at best.  Thing is there offense is the easiest to stop.  Weather it be pride or stupidity the coordinaters in the league won’t run a 5-2 d to stop it and make him throw.  The bear d will cripple that team let’s hope the chargers are smarter than the browns were. 

    @babernakle said:

    Jackson is a wet dream, won’t last and makes a mess.  A qb in the nfl that can’t pass.  Hmmmm oh Tebow he was awesome oh and he won like 6 games.  Big dam deal.  He was a fourth round qb at best.  Thing is there offense is the easiest to stop.  Weather it be pride or stupidity the coordinators in the league won’t run a 5-2 d to stop it and make him throw.  The bear d will cripple that team let’s hope the chargers are smarter than the browns were. 

    Chargers figure out a way to keep the Ravens under 100 yards rushing, and they're toast. 

  • @babernakle said:

    Jackson is a wet dream, won’t last and makes a mess.  A qb in the nfl that can’t pass.  Hmmmm oh Tebow he was awesome oh and he won like 6 games.  Big dam deal.  He was a fourth round qb at best.  Thing is there offense is the easiest to stop.  Weather it be pride or stupidity the coordinators in the league won’t run a 5-2 d to stop it and make him throw.  The bear d will cripple that team let’s hope the chargers are smarter than the browns were. 

    Chargers figure out a way to keep the Ravens under 100 yards rushing, and they're toast. 

    @hoorta said:

    Chargers figure out a way to keep the Ravens under 100 yards rushing, and they're toast. 

    That didn't work last time. 

    He can throw just fine.  

  • @babernakle said:

    Jackson is a wet dream, won’t last and makes a mess.  A qb in the nfl that can’t pass.  Hmmmm oh Tebow he was awesome oh and he won like 6 games.  Big dam deal.  He was a fourth round qb at best.  Thing is there offense is the easiest to stop.  Weather it be pride or stupidity the coordinators in the league won’t run a 5-2 d to stop it and make him throw.  The bear d will cripple that team let’s hope the chargers are smarter than the browns were. 

    Chargers figure out a way to keep the Ravens under 100 yards rushing, and they're toast. 

    @hoorta said:

    Chargers figure out a way to keep the Ravens under 100 yards rushing, and they're toast. 

    I don't think they can keep Lamar under 100 yds. rushing let alone the whole team.?

  • Jackson is a wet dream, won’t last and makes a mess.  A qb in the nfl that can’t pass.  Hmmmm oh Tebow he was awesome oh and he won like 6 games.  Big dam deal.  He was a fourth round qb at best.  Thing is there offense is the easiest to stop.  Weather it be pride or stupidity the coordinaters in the league won’t run a 5-2 d to stop it and make him throw.  The bear d will cripple that team let’s hope the chargers are smarter than the browns were. 

    @babernakle said:

    Jackson is a wet dream, won’t last and makes a mess.  A qb in the nfl that can’t pass.  Hmmmm oh Tebow he was awesome oh and he won like 6 games.  Big dam deal.  He was a fourth round qb at best.  Thing is there offense is the easiest to stop.  Weather it be pride or stupidity the coordinaters in the league won’t run a 5-2 d to stop it and make him throw.  The bear d will cripple that team let’s hope the chargers are smarter than the browns were. 

    Last NFL 5-2 I remember was when then WSH HC,  George Allen, sprung one on a team in a playoff game. Maybe the Bears????

    AS for Jackson... the kid is not without arm talent so that's where the Tebow comparison goes off the rails.

  • @babernakle said:

    Jackson is a wet dream, won’t last and makes a mess.  A qb in the nfl that can’t pass.  Hmmmm oh Tebow he was awesome oh and he won like 6 games.  Big dam deal.  He was a fourth round qb at best.  Thing is there offense is the easiest to stop.  Weather it be pride or stupidity the coordinaters in the league won’t run a 5-2 d to stop it and make him throw.  The bear d will cripple that team let’s hope the chargers are smarter than the browns were. 

    Last NFL 5-2 I remember was when then WSH HC,  George Allen, sprung one on a team in a playoff game. Maybe the Bears????

    AS for Jackson... the kid is not without arm talent so that's where the Tebow comparison goes off the rails.

    @tour2ma said:

    Last NFL 5-2 I remember was when then WSH HC,  George Allen, sprung one on a team in a playoff game. Maybe the Bears????

    AS for Jackson... the kid is not without arm talent so that's where the Tebow comparison goes off the rails.

    Worth noting both have a terrible throwing motion that involves first dropping the elbow and almost windmill like windup.   Though at times LJ has a from the eye type sidearm.

  • @tour2ma said:

    Last NFL 5-2 I remember was when then WSH HC,  George Allen, sprung one on a team in a playoff game. Maybe the Bears????

    AS for Jackson... the kid is not without arm talent so that's where the Tebow comparison goes off the rails.

    Worth noting both have a terrible throwing motion that involves first dropping the elbow and almost windmill like windup.   Though at times LJ has a from the eye type sidearm.

    @tiamat63 said:

    Worth noting both have a terrible throwing motion that involves first dropping the elbow and almost windmill like windup.   Though at times LJ has a from the eye type sidearm.

    It was almost impressive how long Tebow had played QB with a throwing motion that looked like he was throwing with his wrong arm. 

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Worth noting both have a terrible throwing motion that involves first dropping the elbow and almost windmill like windup.   Though at times LJ has a from the eye type sidearm.

    It was almost impressive how long Tebow had played QB with a throwing motion that looked like he was throwing with his wrong arm. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    It was almost impressive how long Tebow had played QB with a throwing motion that looked like he was throwing with his wrong arm. 

    Brings to mind his last ditch effort working with a throwing guru...

    Looked great until he saw live action and totally reverted.

  • @dutch-oven said:

    It was almost impressive how long Tebow had played QB with a throwing motion that looked like he was throwing with his wrong arm. 

    Brings to mind his last ditch effort working with a throwing guru...

    Looked great until he saw live action and totally reverted.

    @tour2ma said:

    Brings to mind his last ditch effort working with a throwing guru...

    Looked great until he saw live action and totally reverted.

    Maybe Tebow will play in the AAF

  • @babernakle said:

    Jackson is a wet dream, won’t last and makes a mess.  A qb in the nfl that can’t pass.  Hmmmm oh Tebow he was awesome oh and he won like 6 games.  Big dam deal.  He was a fourth round qb at best.  Thing is there offense is the easiest to stop.  Weather it be pride or stupidity the coordinaters in the league won’t run a 5-2 d to stop it and make him throw.  The bear d will cripple that team let’s hope the chargers are smarter than the browns were. 

    Last NFL 5-2 I remember was when then WSH HC,  George Allen, sprung one on a team in a playoff game. Maybe the Bears????

    AS for Jackson... the kid is not without arm talent so that's where the Tebow comparison goes off the rails.

    @tour2ma said:

    Last NFL 5-2 I remember was when then WSH HC,  George Allen, sprung one on a team in a playoff game. Maybe the Bears????

    AS for Jackson... the kid is not without arm talent so that's where the Tebow comparison goes off the rails.

    I’m not saying He can’t throw he’s just not good at it.  Not accurate, bad decision making, deep ball is a  prayer. 

  • @babernakle said:

    Jackson is a wet dream, won’t last and makes a mess.  A qb in the nfl that can’t pass.  Hmmmm oh Tebow he was awesome oh and he won like 6 games.  Big dam deal.  He was a fourth round qb at best.  Thing is there offense is the easiest to stop.  Weather it be pride or stupidity the coordinators in the league won’t run a 5-2 d to stop it and make him throw.  The bear d will cripple that team let’s hope the chargers are smarter than the browns were. 

    Chargers figure out a way to keep the Ravens under 100 yards rushing, and they're toast. 

    @hoorta said:

    Chargers figure out a way to keep the Ravens under 100 yards rushing, and they're toast. 

    I didn’t watch that chargers game so I don’t know.  But I do know that when Ohio state played VT who runs the 5-2 they destroyed the bucks who which that team was one of the most proficient at that style of offense.  And let’s be honest JT is not a good qb, like Jackson.  To be honest JT would probably be better with the ravens. Yet he is slower.  

  • @hoorta said:

    Chargers figure out a way to keep the Ravens under 100 yards rushing, and they're toast. 

    I didn’t watch that chargers game so I don’t know.  But I do know that when Ohio state played VT who runs the 5-2 they destroyed the bucks who which that team was one of the most proficient at that style of offense.  And let’s be honest JT is not a good qb, like Jackson.  To be honest JT would probably be better with the ravens. Yet he is slower.  

    @babernakle said:

    I didn’t watch that chargers game so I don’t know.  But I do know that when Ohio state played VT who runs the 5-2 they destroyed the bucks who which that team was one of the most proficient at that style of offense.  And let’s be honest JT is not a good qb, like Jackson.  To be honest JT would probably be better with the ravens. Yet he is slower.  

    If you're talking about the 2014 game, I did a breakdown on another board of some of the fronts.   VaTech ran a lot of bear and double eagle that game to shut down the IZ run by Zeke.  

    So your claim of running a pure 52 might not be accurate depending on how you view alignments.

    edit:  VaTech tried the very same thing the year after and got steam rolled.   So........  

  • @tiamat63 said:

    Worth noting both have a terrible throwing motion that involves first dropping the elbow and almost windmill like windup.   Though at times LJ has a from the eye type sidearm.

    It was almost impressive how long Tebow had played QB with a throwing motion that looked like he was throwing with his wrong arm. 

    @dutch-oven said:

    It was almost impressive how long Tebow had played QB with a throwing motion that looked like he was throwing with his wrong arm. 

    Anyone remember the Head Coach that wanted to draft Tim Tebow in round 1?  It was Josh McDaniels, right before puberty, in his temporary coaching life without Tom Brady and Bill Belichick.  

    How thankful are the Indy Colts that they ended up with Frank Reich?  

  • @dutch-oven said:

    It was almost impressive how long Tebow had played QB with a throwing motion that looked like he was throwing with his wrong arm. 

    Anyone remember the Head Coach that wanted to draft Tim Tebow in round 1?  It was Josh McDaniels, right before puberty, in his temporary coaching life without Tom Brady and Bill Belichick.  

    How thankful are the Indy Colts that they ended up with Frank Reich?  

    @flugel said:

    Anyone remember the Head Coach that wanted to draft Tim Tebow in round 1?  It was Josh McDaniels, right before puberty, in his temporary coaching life without Tom Brady and Bill Belichick.  

    How thankful are the Indy Colts that they ended up with Frank Reich?  

    Tebow getting drafted as high as he did was possibly the biggest head-scratcher I've ever seen in the NFL Draft.

    Well, that and one John "William" Manziel getting taken #22 overall. ?

  • Jackson played in a solid offense at Louisville.  This has been discussed before.  Your don't rack up 2 seasons of great #s against solid teams by being lucky.  He out gained Vicks total VT career stats in one season.  

    Ravens are a problem for many.  Deal with it.  He's almost impossible to defend.  He's still green,  and he'll get much better.  Upside is like watson.  Just needs to keep focused. If not for some mahomes magic,  he'd be undefeated as a starter

    I don't think he's missed any games yet. Vick told him to put about 20 lbs on... And he did.  He was running less and less at Louisville each year too. Doesn't get hit that hard in any game I've seen,  but he pops up like he's made of rubber when it happens

    Vick told him to put about 20 lbs in the off season and he did.  He's a freak level athlete back there.  There is no qb like him

    @sd_tom said:

    He's almost impossible to defend.

    He's a freak level athlete back there. 

    There is no qb like him

    AgreeableGroundedArabianwildcat-small.gi

    2/7 1INT  2 sacks for -13 yards and a fat ZERO on that scoreboard.

    But hey, he's 'exciting' AF to watch though, AMIRITE!?!?

  • As I stated last week in our game against the Ravens... Lamar Jackson is a RB who is good at throwing the ball. They are a 1 trick pony and Chargers saw that trick 3 weeks ago and are owning them right now.


    So long as they stay disciplined, which the Browns did not, they will shut them out.

    BobPound!