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I sure as shit don't want to see somebody shuffling the deck for a 3/4 right now. I don't want to shit can players that play well in a 4/4 while the rest of everybody has to learn completely new terminology. I would like to slow down the run but that 3/4 hasn't been a Panacea for that in the past here.
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Wilks runs a 4-3 so we are square. My fear was Pagano coming in and trying to run a 3-4.
Wilks runs a 4-3 so we are square. My fear was Pagano coming in and trying to run a 3-4.
Now the beer is can worry about Pagano
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Wilks runs a 4-3 so we are square. My fear was Pagano coming in and trying to run a 3-4.
Now the beer is can worry about Pagano
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Now the beer is can worry about Pagano
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Funny......I assume that talk to text interpreted "Bears" as "Beer is".....
It would be fresh if some team had the name The Beers.
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Reading several pages on his schemes and philosophy now. The one consistent is the amount of zone and pattern matching zone he plays. With certain personnel he gets blitz happy and others not so much. Appears to be pretty aggressive mostly running 1 gap assignments.
On the fence about it because I see how badly the Cardinals fell off in defensive DVOA rankings after only one season. But I also know that when you're offense puts your defense out on the field for 75% of the game, then they're bound to pack it up eventually.
Still reading and versing myself. Will comment more later.
When you play 1 gap up front - you better have good LBers. Wilks had that in Carolina and his defense was successful.
What I like about zone coverage (aside from DBs not turning their backs on the QB) - is it doesn't give opposing offenses the Ray Hortonesque Ghost towns to exploit. That knucklehead used to repeatedly leave an entire third of the field unmanned. So, what do you need to make zone coverage work? LBs and DBs that can close and tackle. Keuchly not only has elite 1st step instinct; but he's also well respected for his level of preparation. It seems like quite a few of his opponents said something along the line of "that guy knew every play we were about to run; and he was never wrong."
It wouldn't suck at all if we hired Wilks. No matter who we hire - we have to improve the LBer Corps, upgrade 1 starting DT and 1 starting DE as well as add depth/talent to the secondary. That said, we have the FA cake and draft volume to make it happen.
When you play 1 gap up front - you better have good LBers. Wilks had that in Carolina and his defense was successful.
What I like about zone coverage (aside from DBs not turning their backs on the QB) - is it doesn't give opposing offenses the Ray Hortonesque Ghost towns to exploit. That knucklehead used to repeatedly leave an entire third of the field unmanned. So, what do you need to make zone coverage work? LBs and DBs that can close and tackle. Keuchly not only has elite 1st step instinct; but he's also well respected for his level of preparation. It seems like quite a few of his opponents said something along the line of "that guy knew every play we were about to run; and he was never wrong."
It wouldn't suck at all if we hired Wilks. No matter who we hire - we have to improve the LBer Corps, upgrade 1 starting DT and 1 starting DE as well as add depth/talent to the secondary. That said, we have the FA cake and draft volume to make it happen.
In order.
- Doesn't really matter the front, any defense calls for good players and most especially linebackers.
- Some of the pattern matching that Wilks seems to run is Horton-esque
- Agree on all points
edit: Not directly at you specifically Flugs, this is in general.
Trying to get a better handle on Wilks and his coverages. Doesn't show much but I've seen some trends.
A wide blend of calls ranging from your typical tampa 2, inverted cover 2, quarters with man under etc etc. The other common thing you'll routinely see are the 5 man pressures and some 33 looks. Saw Luke roll around quite a bit in a swap cover 3 shell even. A really interesting blend of pattern matching zones. The biggest take away I have is this - Wilks was spoiled by having Keuchly. Schob is a hell of a guy to have in coverage as well, but he isn't quite Luke. Can he be the 2.0 lite version? I believe so. But the Thomas Davis compliment isn't there on our end. I think having Wilks on board with this coaching staff puts an added priority on LB in the draft. (Devin White, come on down)
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This Wilks guy rubbed players the wrong way in Ariz., stubborn, and the defensive Hue Jackson type. HATE this pick.
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This Wilks guy rubbed players the wrong way in Ariz., stubborn, and the defensive Hue Jackson type. HATE this pick.
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When you play 1 gap up front - you better have good LBers. Wilks had that in Carolina and his defense was successful.
What I like about zone coverage (aside from DBs not turning their backs on the QB) - is it doesn't give opposing offenses the Ray Hortonesque Ghost towns to exploit. That knucklehead used to repeatedly leave an entire third of the field unmanned. So, what do you need to make zone coverage work? LBs and DBs that can close and tackle. Keuchly not only has elite 1st step instinct; but he's also well respected for his level of preparation. It seems like quite a few of his opponents said something along the line of "that guy knew every play we were about to run; and he was never wrong."
It wouldn't suck at all if we hired Wilks. No matter who we hire - we have to improve the LBer Corps, upgrade 1 starting DT and 1 starting DE as well as add depth/talent to the secondary. That said, we have the FA cake and draft volume to make it happen.
In order.
- Doesn't really matter the front, any defense calls for good players and most especially linebackers.
- Some of the pattern matching that Wilks seems to run is Horton-esque
- Agree on all points
edit: Not directly at you specifically Flugs, this is in general.
Trying to get a better handle on Wilks and his coverages. Doesn't show much but I've seen some trends.
A wide blend of calls ranging from your typical tampa 2, inverted cover 2, quarters with man under etc etc. The other common thing you'll routinely see are the 5 man pressures and some 33 looks. Saw Luke roll around quite a bit in a swap cover 3 shell even. A really interesting blend of pattern matching zones. The biggest take away I have is this - Wilks was spoiled by having Keuchly. Schob is a hell of a guy to have in coverage as well, but he isn't quite Luke. Can he be the 2.0 lite version? I believe so. But the Thomas Davis compliment isn't there on our end. I think having Wilks on board with this coaching staff puts an added priority on LB in the draft. (Devin White, come on down)
A wide blend of calls ranging from your typical tampa 2, inverted cover 2, quarters with man under etc etc. The other common thing you'll routinely see are the 5 man pressures and some 33 looks. Saw Luke roll around quite a bit in a swap cover 3 shell even. A really interesting blend of pattern matching zones. The biggest take away I have is this - Wilks was spoiled by having Keuchly. Schob is a hell of a guy to have in coverage as well, but he isn't quite Luke. Can he be the 2.0 lite version? I believe so. But the Thomas Davis compliment isn't there on our end.
I think Scho is ready for the challenge. He’s only been in the league 2 years, and plays like he’s an older veteran.
Now we can hope Collins will become more of a factor as the compliment to Joe in this scheme. I can see an LB being taken in the earlier rounds as well.
I am a big fan of zone schemes(with occasional man and man blitzes thrown in).
The sky is the limit for this defense in the coming years.
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I like the Wilks hire, but I do have a concern about Denzel Ward playing mostly Zone. He is more of a press man cover corner. I'm sure he can adapt but it's going to take some time. Most of the times balls were caught on him this year were when we were in zone coverage and he didn't get deep enough in a cover 2 or didn't see a guy coming into his zone. My other concern with Ward in zone coverage is those times that he does get deep enough they will throw underneath and he will have to come up and make a tackle. It's not that he can't make the tackle it's can he make the tackle while keeping his head out of the play to keep from getting yet another concussion
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Zombo said:
Wilks is official ...
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As is Stump
http://nfltraderumors.co/browns-hiring-former-jets-rbs-coach-stump-mitchell/
Probably means Lindley goes to QB coach
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Zombo said:
Wilks is official ...
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Like I said, I'm 50/50 on this hire but trying to hope for the best. Will be interesting to see the presser.
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Zombo said:
Wilks is official ...
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As is Stump
http://nfltraderumors.co/browns-hiring-former-jets-rbs-coach-stump-mitchell/
Probably means Lindley goes to QB coach
Wika shows him hired in Zona a day ago? & i honestly don't trust this woman Mrs. Anderson as any kind of source..
We also hired Packers O line coach ........
do we have confirming links on any of these? am seeing more candidates coming
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I am seeing that the mantra of this coaching staff and FO will be no more internal discord.
Getting away from all the backstabbing will most certainly have a positive influence on everyone.
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We also hired Packers O line coach ........
I'm still kind of stunned OL Coach Bob Wylie was fired here in a place where the continuity of progress should be extremely important. Near the end of the season I read an artcile full of Joel Bitonio's warm and fuzzy about the guy on the team's website. He spoke about the job he did getting the line to gel and being the first line coach to tap Robinson's talent that reminded teammates why he was a 2nd pick overall. I also thought our other OT (Hubbard) who struggled earlier in the year improved quite a bit in the 2nd part of the year. I think the offensive line climbed up to an elite rating at the end of the year (which reflects well on Freddie as well as Wylie) IMO.
We had a rookie RB average 5.3 yards per carry. We also had a rookie QB set a record throwing 27 TD passes despite only starting 13 games. Another positive trend that Freddie deserves a great deal of credit for was the reduction in sacks via getting Baker to get the ball out of his hands quicker. That's usually an easier said than done with rookie QBs - especially in Cleveland.
As much as I like Dorsey, I'm still reading and hearing Jimmy continues to prefer more Chiefs than Indians when it comes time to make a decision. That can get very rocky and turbulent as we've seen first hand. I just hope we're careful about all this changing especially after all the progress we finally saw on the offensive side of the ball. I think we were a lot more happy with our running game and passing game than Green Bay fans were in the 2nd half of the season. IMO, you can get too cute with changing to the extent you're changing something that didn't really need to be changed. I always thought Goldie Hawn and Meg Ryan were hotties until they had plastic surgery. After looking to the unnecessary - their faces look deformed. Why? Same thing applies to what I thought we were just building.
All that said, if it was Freddie's input saying Bob Wylie NEEDED to be fired - I'd feel a lot better about it. I'm very glad we kept our WR Coach (Adam Henry) when I look at how much Callaway improved as well as how much more he got out of Perriman than any other NFL WR Coach to date. Not only that, he actually had our WRs blocking people down field not to be confused with Webster Slaughter taking inventory of his groin while the guy he refused to block (Jeremiah Castille) stripped the ball from Byner.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I like the Wilks hire, but I do have a concern about Denzel Ward playing mostly Zone. He is more of a press man cover corner. I'm sure he can adapt but it's going to take some time. Most of the times balls were caught on him this year were when we were in zone coverage and he didn't get deep enough in a cover 2 or didn't see a guy coming into his zone. My other concern with Ward in zone coverage is those times that he does get deep enough they will throw underneath and he will have to come up and make a tackle. It's not that he can't make the tackle it's can he make the tackle while keeping his head out of the play to keep from getting yet another concussion
I like the Wilks hire, but I do have a concern about Denzel Ward playing mostly Zone. He is more of a press man cover corner. I'm sure he can adapt but it's going to take some time. Most of the times balls were caught on him this year were when we were in zone coverage and he didn't get deep enough in a cover 2 or didn't see a guy coming into his zone. My other concern with Ward in zone coverage is those times that he does get deep enough they will throw underneath and he will have to come up and make a tackle. It's not that he can't make the tackle it's can he make the tackle while keeping his head out of the play to keep from getting yet another concussion
Denzel doesn't bother me so much. That first pick he had of Ben was dropping in cover 2. He's just very aggressive underneath. Another question I have is the deployment of Peppers. I see the role that Wilks used where the 5th man pressure was a DB - a role Pep Pep would fill well. Beyond that? While he is improving back on the hash he still plays hesitant at times.
I think Scho is ready for the challenge. He’s only been in the league 2 years, and plays like he’s an older veteran.
Now we can hope Collins will become more of a factor as the compliment to Joe in this scheme. I can see an LB being taken in the earlier rounds as well.
I am a big fan of zone schemes(with occasional man and man blitzes thrown in).
The sky is the limit for this defense in the coming years.
Collins and Kirk and Obgah are my question marks. I wouldn't shed a tear if either were replaced.
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So.....if we hire those two.....does that mean then that the stadium would then have to be called DawgPatch?
First Energy Stadium would have about 30 old cars up on cinder blocks in front of the place.
Not to mention a pickup truck with a gun rack, and a nice set of curtains over the back window.
First Energy Stadium would have about 30 old cars up on cinder blocks in front of the place.
Not to mention a pickup truck with a gun rack, and a nice set of curtains over the back window.
You forgot an old washer and dryer...
We have a new ST coordinator
Browns Hiring Mike Priefer As Special Teams Coordinator http://bit.ly/2VLytEI
So the #20 ST's coach is now ours...
I guess that's an improvement.
Tabor is looking good in retrospect.
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OK Browns ....make your move NOW
Assistant shocker: Gary Kubiak will not be Denver’s offensive coordinator, league sources tell ESPN. After lengthy discussions, Denver and Kubiak had different ideas on staffing and offensive philosophies. Both sides going in different directions.
Too strong a personality. He wouldn't want to be running Kitchens offense...
From Terry Pluto's article... "And they wanted a coach who could work with a very strong front office led by General Manager John Dorsey." Sound like Kubiak? I don't think so...
Too strong a personality. He wouldn't want to be running Kitchens offense...
From Terry Pluto's article... "And they wanted a coach who could work with a very strong front office led by General Manager John Dorsey." Sound like Kubiak? I don't think so...
Kubiak? Strong personality? Wasn't an issue in HOU... more the opposite.
https://deadspin.com/vikings-run-out-of-excuses-to-keep-mike-nuke-the-gays-1831681752
Interesting fella ?
Oh, Lordy...
Of even more interest, however, was the conflicting point on the Vike's not wanting him back vs. his claim that it was his decision.
We have enough of that shit in our daily lives already.
& we've all seen how that works out- you have one all-world corner. Who's he covering? Throw it the other way.
So now they need a Minniefield... it's happened before.
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We also hired Packers O line coach ........
I'm still kind of stunned OL Coach Bob Wylie was fired here in a place where the continuity of progress should be extremely important. Near the end of the season I read an artcile full of Joel Bitonio's warm and fuzzy about the guy on the team's website. He spoke about the job he did getting the line to gel and being the first line coach to tap Robinson's talent that reminded teammates why he was a 2nd pick overall. I also thought our other OT (Hubbard) who struggled earlier in the year improved quite a bit in the 2nd part of the year. I think the offensive line climbed up to an elite rating at the end of the year (which reflects well on Freddie as well as Wylie) IMO.
We had a rookie RB average 5.3 yards per carry. We also had a rookie QB set a record throwing 27 TD passes despite only starting 13 games. Another positive trend that Freddie deserves a great deal of credit for was the reduction in sacks via getting Baker to get the ball out of his hands quicker. That's usually an easier said than done with rookie QBs - especially in Cleveland.
As much as I like Dorsey, I'm still reading and hearing Jimmy continues to prefer more Chiefs than Indians when it comes time to make a decision. That can get very rocky and turbulent as we've seen first hand. I just hope we're careful about all this changing especially after all the progress we finally saw on the offensive side of the ball. I think we were a lot more happy with our running game and passing game than Green Bay fans were in the 2nd half of the season. IMO, you can get too cute with changing to the extent you're changing something that didn't really need to be changed. I always thought Goldie Hawn and Meg Ryan were hotties until they had plastic surgery. After looking to the unnecessary - their faces look deformed. Why? Same thing applies to what I thought we were just building.
All that said, if it was Freddie's input saying Bob Wylie NEEDED to be fired - I'd feel a lot better about it. I'm very glad we kept our WR Coach (Adam Henry) when I look at how much Callaway improved as well as how much more he got out of Perriman than any other NFL WR Coach to date. Not only that, he actually had our WRs blocking people down field not to be confused with Webster Slaughter taking inventory of his groin while the guy he refused to block (Jeremiah Castille) stripped the ball from Byner.
I'm still kind of stunned OL Coach Bob Wylie was fired here in a place where the continuity of progress should be extremely important. Near the end of the season I read an artcile full of Joel Bitonio's warm and fuzzy about the guy on the team's website. He spoke about the job he did getting the line to gel and being the first line coach to tap Robinson's talent that reminded teammates why he was a 2nd pick overall. I also thought our other OT (Hubbard) who struggled earlier in the year improved quite a bit in the 2nd part of the year. I think the offensive line climbed up to an elite rating at the end of the year (which reflects well on Freddie as well as Wylie) IMO.
As much as I like Dorsey, I'm still reading and hearing Jimmy continues to prefer more Chiefs than Indians when it comes time to make a decision.
Agree... except I'm getting a different, bottom-line vibe...
Far from Dorsey being an "Indian", I get the feeling Dorsey is the one not wanting any over-sized personalities around the FO with whom he has to compete.
Further, I've had the feeling that his HC search was akin to Cheney's VP search for "W". That Dorsey's real conclusion was that he was the best choice... but recognized he was not a choice that was available to himself.
Just a couple feelings... but we all have to remember that there was a reason KC sent him packing...
... and it sure wasn't his lack of talent recognition.
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Who's out & who's still in?(i think?
) And if anybody sees a wrong? Give us a shout out,thanks...OUT*--DC-Gregg & Blake Williams/Asst.DB coach-Jerod Kruse/Def. quality control-Eric Sanders/OL coach & Asst-Bob Wylie & Mark Hutson/QB coach-Ken Zampese/TE coach-Greg Seamon/ST coaches-Amos Jones & Josh Cribbs..STILL IN*-Sr.Off.Asst.-Al Saunders/Off.Quality control-Brian Braswell/DB's-Dewayne Walker/DL coach & asst.-Clyde Simmons & Ken Delgado/Def. quality control-Scott Kaniecki/WR coach-Adam Henry/RB coach-Ryan Lindley/Asst.ST-Sam Shade..Strength & cond. has a 5 member crew lead by Larry Jackson, but none yet to get booted, pending a new hire interview with a former QB from Oklahoma(name blank)..
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