MERGED THREADS---DA Vs. Quinn
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Do you really believe that LCDawg?
Hasn't he been provided a forum through which to compete for the starting job, or do you feel he deserves more than that?
This is the first year Brady Quinn has ever been given a shot at the starting job.
In his rookie season he wasn't considered.
In his sophomore season, Phil Savage declared DA the starter. There was no competition.
The answer to your question 'hasn't he been provided a forum...' is no, not until this year.
No disrespect but are you one of the "may the best man win...as long as its Quinn" types or are you ok with letting the competition decide?
It's interesting to note that Derek Anderson has never 'won' the starting job. It was given to him. Both times. And then he LOST the starting job. Seems like he had his chance. He even had a chance to win it back after Quinn was injured. Guess what he failed to do.
The new staff obviously need to utilize everything they possibly have. If after preseason Anderson clearly looks to be the better QB then why develop Quinn on the field?
Because you can only learn so much in practice. To get better a QB has to see GAME conditions, and the only way to do that is to play in actual games that mean something.
This is the first year Brady Quinn has ever been given a shot at the starting job.
This is BS.
In his rookie season he wasn't considered.
His own fault for coming in late.
In his sophomore season, Phil Savage declared DA the starter. There was no competition.
You said it right, Phil declared DA the starter because there was no other competition.
The answer to your question 'hasn't he been provided a forum...' is no, not until this year.
Sorry, but again I feel this is BS.
It's interesting to note that Derek Anderson has never 'won' the starting job. It was given to him. Both times. And then he LOST the starting job. Seems like he had his chance. He even had a chance to win it back after Quinn was injured. Guess what he failed to do.
LOL It was given to him because he "won" it. After Balt it was Quinn's to lose, and between the finger injury and gametime decision-making that switch came in the Houston game.
We can chase each other's tails all day but in the end it changes nothing. I see you're not budging in what you believe and I'm fine with the better man being the QB. I'll have to wait another month to see who they decided the best QB is and if you'll accept the decision they made.
Because you can only learn so much in practice. To get better a QB has to see GAME conditions, and the only way to do that is to play in actual games that mean something.
Only the best option gets to start and perfect his craft on the field. If you're not the best option it's tough cookies and practice for you!
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Greg,
Quinn was never in the mix his rookie season and was never going to be. That was stated by Phil Savage (AND RAC, IIRC).
Derek Anderson didn't win the starting job over Charlie Frye. Charlie Frye started over Derek Anderson and was pulled after sucking...bad. Derek was given every chance to win the job and COULDN'T clearly differentiate himself from Charlie Frye.
Phil Savage DECLARED Anderson the starter after signing him to that big contract and before preseason/training camp in 2008 ever started. Again, Anderson never beat anyone out. He was handed the starting job (by a GM, whom, I might note, is now unemployed). All sorts of articles out there proving what I said.
Sorry if you feel it's BS, but it is factual based on statements BY the GM AND the head coach.
As far as 'developing him in practice', again, it's factual that practice reps and sitting don't help to develop a QB past a certain point. If that were the case, then career backups would eventually turn into Peyton Mannings on a regular basis, and we know that isn't true.
Practice != Games. We've seen how Anderson is in games. Time to see how Quinn does.
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Greg,
I have to call BS on every single one of your posts. You come on here and right away start pimping Anderson and then state that you are not a DA or BQ or BR fan. I'm not so sure you're actually who you say you are. You're sounding a lot like the resident DA groupie that we all love to humiliate on here. You're saying the same types of things. And not showing any kind of evidence to back them up. The only difference between you and him is that he actually admits that he wishes he were DA's jockstrap. You seem to be afraid to completely come out of the closet.
Hey...where is Lumnuts? I would've expected him to chime in on this one by now!
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Greg,
Quinn was never in the mix his rookie season and was never going to be. That was stated by Phil Savage (AND RAC, IIRC).
Derek Anderson didn't win the starting job over Charlie Frye. Charlie Frye started over Derek Anderson and was pulled after sucking...bad. Derek was given every chance to win the job and COULDN'T clearly differentiate himself from Charlie Frye.
Phil Savage DECLARED Anderson the starter after signing him to that big contract and before preseason/training camp in 2008 ever started. Again, Anderson never beat anyone out. He was handed the starting job (by a GM, whom, I might note, is now unemployed). All sorts of articles out there proving what I said.
Sorry if you feel it's BS, but it is factual based on statements BY the GM AND the head coach.
As far as 'developing him in practice', again, it's factual that practice reps and sitting don't help to develop a QB past a certain point. If that were the case, then career backups would eventually turn into Peyton Mannings on a regular basis, and we know that isn't true.
Practice != Games. We've seen how Anderson is in games. Time to see how Quinn does.
Greg,
Quinn was never in the mix his rookie season and was never going to be. That was stated by Phil Savage (AND RAC, IIRC).
Derek Anderson didn't win the starting job over Charlie Frye. Charlie Frye started over Derek Anderson and was pulled after sucking...bad. Derek was given every chance to win the job and COULDN'T clearly differentiate himself from Charlie Frye.
Phil Savage DECLARED Anderson the starter after signing him to that big contract and before preseason/training camp in 2008 ever started. Again, Anderson never beat anyone out. He was handed the starting job (by a GM, whom, I might note, is now unemployed). All sorts of articles out there proving what I said.
Sorry if you feel it's BS, but it is factual based on statements BY the GM AND the head coach.
As far as 'developing him in practice', again, it's factual that practice reps and sitting don't help to develop a QB past a certain point. If that were the case, then career backups would eventually turn into Peyton Mannings on a regular basis, and we know that isn't true.
Practice != Games. We've seen how Anderson is in games. Time to see how Quinn does.
Ok.
So long as he's the best option I'm all for it.
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Greg,
I have to call BS on every single one of your posts. You come on here and right away start pimping Anderson and then state that you are not a DA or BQ or BR fan. I'm not so sure you're actually who you say you are. You're sounding a lot like the resident DA groupie that we all love to humiliate on here. You're saying the same types of things. And not showing any kind of evidence to back them up. The only difference between you and him is that he actually admits that he wishes he were DA's jockstrap. You seem to be afraid to completely come out of the closet.
Hey...where is Lumnuts? I would've expected him to chime in on this one by now!
Greg,
I have to call BS on every single one of your posts. You come on here and right away start pimping Anderson and then state that you are not a DA or BQ or BR fan. I'm not so sure you're actually who you say you are. You're sounding a lot like the resident DA groupie that we all love to humiliate on here. You're saying the same types of things. And not showing any kind of evidence to back them up. The only difference between you and him is that he actually admits that he wishes he were DA's jockstrap. You seem to be afraid to completely come out of the closet.
Hey...where is Lumnuts? I would've expected him to chime in on this one by now!
BS for what, loving it when the Browns win games? I'm not sure who I might remind you of but they must like it when the Browns win too if I sound like them.
I haven't put down Brady or Ratliff in my posts have I? I just want the Browns to win games and so far I haven't witnessed Brady put us in a better position to do that than DA has. Is that so wrong? Or should I start lying so I can fit in better?
Really though, I didn't mean to "pimp Anderson", just dropped in and posted in a few threads. Sorry if I haven't been properly hazed yet. Go Browns!!
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Derek Anderson Should Start For The Browns
Posted on: June 9, 2009 1:24 pm Edited on: June 9, 2009 5:39 pm Score: 186
Admit it, you’re in love. You just can’t stop thinking about him . You’ve seen his commercials, watched his press conferences, and even purchased some of his merchandise.
Like our King, he is one of Ohio’s native sons, with the dashing good looks and charisma to warrant coronation himself.
He descended from the holy grail of academic institutions, Notre Dame, and was even blessed with a recommendation from the esteemed offensive guru, Charlie Weis.
Admit it, you love Brady Quinn.
And I don’t blame you. His golden-boy image and persona represent everything good in the world of sports, and you can’t help but love him for that.
If left up to you, Brady Quinn would be named the starting quarterback for the Browns tomorrow, and all would be right in the dark, gloomy world of Cleveland sports. The crown prince would rightfully take his seat at the helm of this offense, and the Cleveland Browns would be a better team for it.
There’s only one thing standing between Quinn and his inevitable succession to the throne—a Scappoosian pocket passer named Derek Anderson.
Ah yes, Derek Anderson. You remember him, don’t you? He’s that clumsy 6'6" passer from Oregon State who started for the Browns in 2008. He’s the awkward quarterback with the goofy smile who seemingly wasn’t able to get the job done. With scruffy facial hair and a disheveled mop of brown hair, he’s the pauper attempting to steal the spotlight away from the publicly crowned prince Quinn.
Despite his outward appearance and statistical incompetence, Derek Anderson is in fact the right man for the job and should start for the Browns come opening day.
And you should love him too.
Before I get into why Anderson is the clear-cut choice for Cleveland this fall, there is a common misconception that must be cleared up immediately.
Read my words closely: Derek Anderson was not the reason for Cleveland’s anemic offensive production last season. Far from it. Injuries ravished the 2008 Browns like the plague—hitting virtually all facets of Cleveland’s seemingly explosive offense.
Preseason injuries limited wide receiver Braylon Edwards and scratched Donte' Stallworth from the season opener. Game-changing return specialist Josh Cribbs missed time with a bad ankle. A revolving door of offensive lineman created a mix-and-match group void of chemistry and lacking in talent.
Oh yeah, and Anderson began the season with a concussion.
All of these factors contributed to a Browns team that limped into their Week Four bye with a 1-3 record.
Once the rested Browns regained some of their key offensive personnel, they were fully able to compete with the best of the NFL. With Anderson under center, the Browns handed the 2007 World Champion New York Giants their worst loss of the season.
A three-point loss to Washington and a 14-point defensive meltdown against Baltimore dropped Cleveland to 3-5, costing Anderson his job and destroying what little hope the team had for rest of the season.
Had the circumstances been different, Derek Anderson never would have lost his job in the first place. A few timely touchdown passes (or receptions) against Pittsburgh, Washington, and Baltimore would have left Anderson, and the Browns would have been 6-2 through the halfway point of the season.
Now, I could sit here and pick at the schedule all day, but what’s done is done. The Browns win and lose games as a team, so it’s difficult to point toward one play as the decisive factor in a game.
It is difficult to make a case for what happened in the past, but it is much easier to look ahead to the future and see what needs to be done.
New head coach Eric Mangini must produce immediate results to ensure a successful stint in Cleveland. Browns owner Randy Lerner recently ended a turbulent three-year relationship with former GM Phil Savage and coach Romeo Crennel. The young, slightly naïve owner silently stood by with checkbook in hand as Savage spewed out more green than a Craftsman during summertime.
Unfortunately for Lerner, that spending never produced results, which undeniably cost both men their jobs.
Coming off the verge of a three-year relationship, it will be understandably hard for Randy Lerner to trust again so quickly. The easiest way for Mangini to make an impression upon a heartbroken owner is to win football games.
This is where Derek Anderson comes in.
Like any other position in football, real live experience is the best predictor of future success. Anderson has started 31 games compared to the four started by Brady Quinn. Anderson has thrown 43 touchdown passes in his NFL career—five fewer than the number of passes Quinn has completed to this point.
Although Anderson’s career completion percentage of 54.6 isn’t eye-popping, it looks much better against Quinn’s 49.5.
Whether you love him or hate him, Derek Anderson is a solid veteran quarterback who gives the Browns a chance to win on Sunday. Brady Quinn may be great one day—however, now is not the time to find out. Eric Mangini must show drastic improvement to win over the players and the fans, and that improvement starts with an experienced signal caller running the offense.
If the team remains healthy and Anderson plays within himself, the Browns will surely surprise some people.
They will win football games—and that’s something that everybody will love.
http://sircheeks.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/b...024142/15472029
The fact remains that DA was bad before last season. He had been bad, horrible, during the 2nd half of 2007! He should have lost his job then. To compare his stats with BQ's stats is ignorant. BQ has started 3 games and played 2 of them with a broken finger that required surgery! And still managed to put up 30 points in 2 different games. There are arguments to be made for either QB. Just don't try and tell me that DA is the clear favorite for the starting job! Nobody who ranks as the 32nd QB in the league is a lock as a starter! Especially when there is a first round draft pick waiting on the sidelines who has not yet been given a fair chance!
The fact remains that DA was bad before last season. He had been bad, horrible, during the 2nd half of 2007!
It's easy to find blemishes if one looks for them. BQ will probably get his turn to be scrutinized at some point.
DA was soooooo horrible in '07....
That the Browns had their first 10 win season since the early 90s...
That they went from averaging 4.75 wins a year over 4 straight years to that 10 win season...
Blah, blah, blah....
You should fricken enjoy the ride when you've got it rather than look for reasons to stop the momentum.
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The fact remains that DA was bad before last season. He had been bad, horrible, during the 2nd half of 2007!
It's easy to find blemishes if one looks for them. BQ will probably get his turn to be scrutinized at some point.
DA was soooooo horrible in '07....
That the Browns had their first 10 win season since the early 90s...
That they went from averaging 4.75 wins a year over 4 straight years to that 10 win season...
Blah, blah, blah....
You should fricken enjoy the ride when you've got it rather than look for reasons to stop the momentum.
You should fricken enjoy the ride when you've got it rather than look for reasons to stop the momentum.
Uhmm...we were looking forward to enjoying the ride until the DA-led offense killed that momentum.
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@inspecta said:
I'm confused. Oh wait, typical manwagoner who puts DA's starting status ahead of the team.As far as I can tell, Lums is about the only one here putting DA's starting status ahead of the team. I'm OK with whomever wins the competition between BQ and DA. Are you?
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"With the Indians out of the pennant race, Cleveland fans have their hearts set on a daily training-camp battle between Brady "The Hometown Kid" Quinn vs. Derek Anderson, who actually had the Browns a game away from the playoffs in 2007. This could be the most bizarre battle of the summer when considering new coach Eric Mangini was attempting to trade Quinn -- there were no serious takers -- in the off-season. What compounds this competition is that Anderson, who possesses a stronger arm, has never been the greatest of practice quarterbacks. He's a so-called gamer, going 10-5 in 2007. Quinn was 1-2 last season before being injured.
This entire competition could backfire on Mangini and first-year offensive coordinator Brian Daboll, who was Brett Favre's quarterback coach last season with the Jets. While sharing the practice snaps, neither Anderson, the favorite, nor Quinn will get enough work to make the Browns a winner this season. Prediction: Anderson implodes and Quinn starts opening day."
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9806792...versy?GT1=39002
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That just shows how Retarded the national media can be
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http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/9806792...versy?GT1=39002
..that Anderson, who possesses a stronger arm, has never been the greatest of practice quarterbacks.
Then again, I've never been to a Browns practice, so how the fcuk would I know?
Are you kidding John? Practice is when Joey BigArm shines.
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I really, really hate this discussion because nothing new is ever stated.
There are VERY few people on this board and among the Browns fan base that have watched Derek Anderson as long as the fans here in Pac-10 country have. Talk to ANY scout, fan, coach, writer, media member etc., and they will tell you that Anderson is the same QB today as he was when he was a sophomore at Oregon State.
There is a reason he is close to the top of Pac-10 record books in terms of both TD's and INT's and has earned the same reputation as pro; Has always completed passes at less than a 60% clip; Usually beats up on the bad defenses and generally struggles against the good ones.
Basically, he is the Jose Canseco or Adam Dunn of QB's. All or nothing. Strikeout or home run. TD pass or INT.
Sometimes you are what you are, and I have seen enough of Derek Anderson over the past 7 years to tell you that he's probably not going to get any better on a consistent basis.
However, if he wins the job.... then Go Derek Anderson! Whatever.....
Let me clarify... I think Quinn will be the better QB, but if it turns out to be Anderson then that's fine by me too. i just don't see that happening.
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@shepwrite said:
That article almost seemed like they accidentally switched the names or something. There were two offers including first round picks for Quinn and there were no takers for Anderson.Weird.
Did you see the article he wrote about Mangini taking the rookies on the bus trip and what a fiasco it is?
That is the most laughable shit I've ever read.
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@inspecta said:
I'm confused. Oh wait, typical manwagoner who puts DA's starting status ahead of the team.As far as I can tell, Lums is about the only one here putting DA's starting status ahead of the team. I'm OK with whomever wins the competition between BQ and DA. Are you?
As far as I can tell, Lums is about the only one here putting DA's starting status ahead of the team. I'm OK with whomever wins the competition between BQ and DA. Are you?
Where is that douchebag anyway?
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Wait, is this the one DA vs BQ thread to rule them all? I predict at least 37 pages.
Gah... everything (and I mean EVERYTHING) about this debate has been said a million times already.
Why can't we all leave this alone and wait for Mankok to make their decision come Preseason? -
Wait, is this the one DA vs BQ thread to rule them all? I predict at least 37 pages.
Gah... everything (and I mean EVERYTHING) about this debate has been said a million times already.
Why can't we all leave this alone and wait for Mankok to make their decision come Preseason?Why can't we all leave this alone and wait for Mankok to make their decision come Preseason?
1) Boredom.
2) Lumbergh.
3) See #2.
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The fact remains that DA was bad before last season. He had been bad, horrible, during the 2nd half of 2007!
It's easy to find blemishes if one looks for them. BQ will probably get his turn to be scrutinized at some point.
DA was soooooo horrible in '07....
That the Browns had their first 10 win season since the early 90s...
That they went from averaging 4.75 wins a year over 4 straight years to that 10 win season...
Blah, blah, blah....
You should fricken enjoy the ride when you've got it rather than look for reasons to stop the momentum.
It's easy to find blemishes if one looks for them. BQ will probably get his turn to be scrutinized at some point.
DA was soooooo horrible in '07....
That the Browns had their first 10 win season since the early 90s...
That they went from averaging 4.75 wins a year over 4 straight years to that 10 win season...
Blah, blah, blah....
You should fricken enjoy the ride when you've got it rather than look for reasons to stop the momentum.
Do you actually watch the games, or do you just look at the outcome to see if the Browns won or lost? In 2007, DA started off the season playing great! And then the team had to find ways to win in spite of him! The second half of the season was horrible! If he'd have played the entire season even remotely close to how he started it, then he wouldn't have been an alternate to the Pro Bowl to begin with. He would have been the starter! But...he fell apart...taking the team and all of the fans' hopes with him! If he can get back to early 2007 form, then great! I doubt you'll hear any true fans complaining that he is our QB. But, until then, he has to earn it. I think Quinn is the better fit for the way this team is going. However, if DA WINS the job in preseason, I will back him 100%...as I have stated numerous times.
Oh..I enjoyed the ride...right up until DA drove us right off a cliff! Not so enjoyable then! Since then, I'm waiting for a new ride to start. We're all waiting to find out who's driving...hoping he gets us to where we all want to go!
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Here's some film from last year:
It's amazing that a guy can go from looking that good one week to sucking that badly the next. -
The inconsistancy is consistant (if that makes sense). The 10 game winning season (early half good play) was a long time ago.
I'm not saying Quinn will be better but I think we know what DA is by now. BTW, all teams have injuries and breakdowns through an NFL season that they have to play through.
I'm looking forward to Camp, and Most Importantly, Pre-Season games to see how this plays out.
TIME TO "MERGE THREADS" AGAIN
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The inconsistancy is consistant (if that makes sense). The 10 game winning season (early half good play) was a long time ago.
I'm not saying Quinn will be better but I think we know what DA is by now. BTW, all teams have injuries and breakdowns through an NFL season that they have to play through.
I'm looking forward to Camp, and Most Importantly, Pre-Season games to see how this plays out.
TIME TO "MERGE THREADS" AGAIN
The inconsistancy is consistant (if that makes sense). The 10 game winning season (early half good play) was a long time ago.
I'm not saying Quinn will be better but I think we know what DA is by now. BTW, all teams have injuries and breakdowns through an NFL season that they have to play through.
I'm looking forward to Camp, and Most Importantly, Pre-Season games to see how this plays out.
TIME TO "MERGE AGAIN"
Exactly, I don't remember P.Manning blaming the injuries last year...and they had a TON...as they ended up IN THE PLAYOFFS!
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