Who is the bigger idiot
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Murray is being talked about as a first round pick so he's going to make AT LEAST that much in the NFL.
Murray is being hyped by those desperate for ratings and the impending off season drag as a 1st round pick. But the film don't lie - unless somebody is willing to go full Jimmy Haslam.
That said, in the context of your argument I understand.
Murray is being hyped by those desperate for ratings and the impending off season drag as a 1st round pick. But the film don't like unless somebody is willing to go full Jimmy Haslam.
That said, in the context of your argument I understand.
Mark makes a great argument, but I'd buy it a little more if it was say Baker Mayfield deciding between entering the NFL Draft or going the MLB route.
I'm just not buying Murray as a NFL longterm QB.
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Murray is being hyped by those desperate for ratings and the impending off season drag as a 1st round pick. But the film don't like unless somebody is willing to go full Jimmy Haslam.
That said, in the context of your argument I understand.
Mark makes a great argument, but I'd buy it a little more if it was say Baker Mayfield deciding between entering the NFL Draft or going the MLB route.
I'm just not buying Murray as a NFL longterm QB.
Mark makes a great argument, but I'd buy it a little more if it was say Baker Mayfield deciding between entering the NFL Draft or going the MLB route.
I'm just not buying Murray as a NFL longterm QB.
Im really only repeating what I've heard and that is that he's a first round QB in this year's draft. Hell Kliff Klingsbutter said he'd pick him number 1 overall so maybe the Cardinals will take him first and trade Rosen. Who knows.
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Mark makes a great argument, but I'd buy it a little more if it was say Baker Mayfield deciding between entering the NFL Draft or going the MLB route.
I'm just not buying Murray as a NFL longterm QB.
Im really only repeating what I've heard and that is that he's a first round QB in this year's draft. Hell Kliff Klingsbutter said he'd pick him number 1 overall so maybe the Cardinals will take him first and trade Rosen. Who knows.
Im really only repeating what I've heard and that is that he's a first round QB in this year's draft. Hell Kliff Klingsbutter said he'd pick him number 1 overall so maybe the Cardinals will take him first and trade Rosen. Who knows.
Absolutely.
Like I said earlier, I might not totally agree with you, but you make a very well thought-out argument for your stance. Well done, Mark.
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Mark makes a great argument, but I'd buy it a little more if it was say Baker Mayfield deciding between entering the NFL Draft or going the MLB route.
I'm just not buying Murray as a NFL longterm QB.
Im really only repeating what I've heard and that is that he's a first round QB in this year's draft. Hell Kliff Klingsbutter said he'd pick him number 1 overall so maybe the Cardinals will take him first and trade Rosen. Who knows.
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Im really only repeating what I've heard and that is that he's a first round QB in this year's draft. Hell Kliff Klingsbutter said he'd pick him number 1 overall so maybe the Cardinals will take him first and trade Rosen. Who knows.
Absolutely.
Like I said earlier, I might not totally agree with you, but you make a very well thought-out argument for your stance. Well done, Mark.
Absolutely.
Like I said earlier, I might not totally agree with you, but you make a very well thought-out argument for your stance. Well done, Mark.
Its not really my argument.....just pointing out the other side and there's a lot more money immediately to be made in the NFL. But it all depends on his draft position. Nice that it's something we don't have to think or deal with because we already have a QB.
I agree with you that he looks kinda small to me. I didn't watch as much of OU this past year as I did the year before but he seems small.
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Absolutely.
Like I said earlier, I might not totally agree with you, but you make a very well thought-out argument for your stance. Well done, Mark.
Its not really my argument.....just pointing out the other side and there's a lot more money immediately to be made in the NFL. But it all depends on his draft position. Nice that it's something we don't have to think or deal with because we already have a QB.
I agree with you that he looks kinda small to me. I didn't watch as much of OU this past year as I did the year before but he seems small.
Its not really my argument.....just pointing out the other side and there's a lot more money immediately to be made in the NFL. But it all depends on his draft position. Nice that it's something we don't have to think or deal with because we already have a QB.
I agree with you that he looks kinda small to me. I didn't watch as much of OU this past year as I did the year before but he seems small.
I'll buy Tia's argument that his listed 5' 11" is grossly overstated. The Combine will tell...
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Its not really my argument.....just pointing out the other side and there's a lot more money immediately to be made in the NFL. But it all depends on his draft position. Nice that it's something we don't have to think or deal with because we already have a QB.
I agree with you that he looks kinda small to me. I didn't watch as much of OU this past year as I did the year before but he seems small.
I'll buy Tia's argument that his listed 5' 11" is grossly overstated. The Combine will tell...
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He’s going to run a sub 4.4, with elite quickness.
Good quick feet is one of the most important traits for a QB to have. He can drop dimes from ridiculous angles, and he has an arm. Don’t sleep on this guy.
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The major question isn't what he would make at the beginning though. It's what he could make over the course of his career. I don't think hes going in thinking he will fail.
And the other thing is how much of a price do you put on health. You are going to get hurt, question is when, how bad, and how often. Brady has been about the healthiest you will see, and he missed a season.
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not sure why he is comparing Murray to huey any way here it is murray was drafted 9th over all by the A's and has just declared for the NFL draft so he will be the first person ever to be drafted in the first round by the MLB and the NFL
He's going to make a shitton more money being drafted in the NFL. Plus he won't have to go to the minor leagues and ride a bus for a few years before playing in the Majors. Longer career most likely in baseball but I think I'd take the NFL money over baseball.
He's going to make a shitton more money being drafted in the NFL. Plus he won't have to go to the minor leagues and ride a bus for a few years before playing in the Majors. Longer career most likely in baseball but I think I'd take the NFL money over baseball.
Since the Athletics got permission to sign him to 40 man roster to entice him to stick with baseball i assumed they were going to do that. Something like a 14 million dollar contract.
Per ESPN
"MLB rules prohibit players from signing major league contracts, which place players on the 40-man roster, out of the draft. Teams are not allowed to sign amateur players to minor league deals, then immediately give them major league deals, because the latter would be an inducement to sign and a circumvention of the league's finite draft pools. In Murray's case, because he signed a minor league deal, and because his performance at Oklahoma changed the circumstances of his baseball career, Oakland would be within the rules to give Murray a long-term extension if that's what it takes to keep him in baseball, sources tell ESPN. Even with a major league deal, Murray would likely begin his career at High-A Stockton, sources told ESPN."
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He's insane.
MLB contracts are guaranteed, baseball players have longer careers with waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less stress on their bodies, and when they hit 50 years old they won't need to be in a nursing home because of early on-set dementia caused by head injuries.
He must love football way more than baseball, because if he likes the sports even remotely the same, it is idiotic to pick football over baseball.
He's insane.
MLB contracts are guaranteed, baseball players have longer careers with waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less stress on their bodies, and when they hit 50 years old they won't need to be in a nursing home because of early on-set dementia caused by head injuries.
He must love football way more than baseball, because if he likes the sports even remotely the same, it is idiotic to pick football over baseball.
I'm not too worried about him. His uncle Calvin played pro baseball and will give him good advice. Here he is at bat against the Big Unit. ??
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He's insane.
MLB contracts are guaranteed, baseball players have longer careers with waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay less stress on their bodies, and when they hit 50 years old they won't need to be in a nursing home because of early on-set dementia caused by head injuries.
He must love football way more than baseball, because if he likes the sports even remotely the same, it is idiotic to pick football over baseball.
I'm not too worried about him. His uncle Calvin played pro baseball and will give him good advice. Here he is at bat against the Big Unit. ??
I'm not too worried about him. His uncle Calvin played pro baseball and will give him good advice. Here he is at bat against the Big Unit. ??
Wait there was a Calvin Murray who played basketball and he was a great player and who was only like 5 foot nine. Or was that Calvin Murphy
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I'm not too worried about him. His uncle Calvin played pro baseball and will give him good advice. Here he is at bat against the Big Unit. ??
Wait there was a Calvin Murray who played basketball and he was a great player and who was only like 5 foot nine. Or was that Calvin Murphy
Wait there was a Calvin Murray who played basketball and he was a great player and who was only like 5 foot nine. Or was that Calvin Murphy
Yeah, that was Calvin Murphy 5' 9", also Spud Webb 5' 7", and he won the NBA dunk contest. Great- or just "pretty good"? BTW, researching this, the shortest player in NBA history was Muggsy Bogues, at all of 5'3"- even blocked a shot by the 7' Patrick Ewing. But the shortest NFL QB of recent memory was Doug Flutie at 5' 10". The list of QBs under 6' is mighty short...
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First things first, I loved the back and forth thoughtful discussion between Dutch and Mark. Very entertaining to say the least.
I would take the Baseball money, though I had to play the most boring sport on Earth (mjp, I'm looking at you).
Anyway, you guy missed a point. Something that would make Murray not an idiot, but a genius.
Maybe he is not aiming for an NFL high paid career,
Maybe he wants something more...
Maybe he wants to reach the promised land...
Maybe he is one of those chosen ones, the most fortunate guys on Earth. The smartest of the bunch...
A backup QB career. My idols.
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First things first, I loved the back and forth thoughtful discussion between Dutch and Mark. Very entertaining to say the least.
I would take the Baseball money, though I had to play the most boring sport on Earth (mjp, I'm looking at you).
Anyway, you guy missed a point. Something that would make Murray not an idiot, but a genius.
Maybe he is not aiming for an NFL high paid career,
Maybe he wants something more...
Maybe he wants to reach the promised land...
Maybe he is one of those chosen ones, the most fortunate guys on Earth. The smartest of the bunch...
A backup QB career. My idols.
I would take the Baseball money, though I had to play the most boring sport on Earth
I'm confused Nero... If Murray took the baseball money, why would he have to play soccer? ?
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I don’t think Murray is stupid for wanting to give it a shot, if he lands in right spot with right coach he could be viable
not saying he will of course
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If Murray goes the NFL route then 1 of 2 unacceptable things happened. Either the A’s didn’t do their due dilligence to make sure the guy intended to play baseball, or he severely misled them about his post college intentions.
It’s not super uncommon that a 2 sport athlete could be drafted by MLB and NFL. If anyone remembers, Johnny Manziel was drafted as a shortstop by San Diego, l think. But they used a really low pick because they knew his intention was to play football.
However, before an MLB team burns their number 1 pick on a guy, there are usually conversations held between teams and players to discern what they plan to do. In baseball, players have options. They could go to or stay in college, they could go to Japan, or forego sports altogether and go for whatever career they studied for.
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Wait there was a Calvin Murray who played basketball and he was a great player and who was only like 5 foot nine. Or was that Calvin Murphy
Yeah, that was Calvin Murphy 5' 9", also Spud Webb 5' 7", and he won the NBA dunk contest. Great- or just "pretty good"? BTW, researching this, the shortest player in NBA history was Muggsy Bogues, at all of 5'3"- even blocked a shot by the 7' Patrick Ewing. But the shortest NFL QB of recent memory was Doug Flutie at 5' 10". The list of QBs under 6' is mighty short...
Yeah, that was Calvin Murphy 5' 9", also Spud Webb 5' 7", and he won the NBA dunk contest. Great- or just "pretty good"? BTW, researching this, the shortest player in NBA history was Muggsy Bogues, at all of 5'3"- even blocked a shot by the 7' Patrick Ewing. But the shortest NFL QB of recent memory was Doug Flutie at 5' 10". The list of QBs under 6' is might short...
There was a very short QB that I thought played for the Lions...or somebody back in the 50s/60s.....who I thought was like 5'8. But it was not Bobby Layne. I checked and he was 6'1".
But.....I found him: Eddie LeBaron: 5'7" Played for Redskins and Cowboys.
Passing
Year Age Career 7 yrs 4 yrs 1952 22 1953 23 1955* 25 1956 26 1957* 27 1958* 28 1959 29 1960 30 1961 31 1962* 32 1963 33 Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS QBrec Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD TD% Int Int% Lng Y/A AY/A Y/C Y/G Rate Sk Yds NY/A ANY/A Sk% 4QC GWD AV Career 134 85 28-54-3 898 1796 50.0 13399 104 5.8 141 7.9 85 7.5 5.1 14.9 100.0 61.4 13 13 21 7 yrs WAS 82 57 23-32-2 539 1104 48.8 8068 59 5.3 88 8.0 82 7.3 4.8 15.0 98.4 57.8 9 11 4 yrs DAL 52 28 5-22-1 359 692 51.9 5331 45 6.5 53 7.7 85 7.7 5.6 14.8 102.5 67.2 4 2 21 1952 22 WAS QB 14 12 7 1-6-0 96 194 49.5 1420 14 7.2 15 7.7 70 7.3 5.3 14.8 118.3 65.7 2 2 1953 23 WAS QB 14 12 8 4-3-1 62 149 41.6 874 3 2.0 17 11.4 66 5.9 1.1 14.1 72.8 28.3 3 3 1955* 25 WAS QB 14 12 8 4-4-0 79 178 44.4 1270 9 5.1 15 8.4 70 7.1 4.4 16.1 105.8 50.5 2 2 1956 26 WAS qb 14 10 5 3-2-0 47 98 48.0 554 3 3.1 10 10.2 33 5.7 1.7 11.8 55.4 36.2 1 1 1957* 27 WAS QB 14 12 12 5-6-1 99 167 59.3 1508 11 6.6 10 6.0 82 9.0 7.7 15.2 125.7 86.1 0 1 1958* 28 WAS QB 14 12 10 4-6-0 79 145 54.5 1365 11 7.6 10 6.9 71 9.4 7.8 17.3 113.8 83.3 1 1 1959 29 WAS QB 14 12 7 2-5-0 77 173 44.5 1077 8 4.6 11 6.4 49 6.2 4.3 14.0 89.8 54.0 0 1 1960 30 DAL QB 14 11 10 0-9-1 111 225 49.3 1736 12 5.3 25 11.1 76 7.7 3.8 15.6 157.8 53.5 1 0 5 1961 31 DAL QB 14 14 10 2-8-0 120 236 50.8 1741 14 5.9 16 6.8 80 7.4 5.5 14.5 124.4 66.7 3 2 6 1962* 32 DAL QB 14 14 6 3-3-0 95 166 57.2 1436 16 9.6 9 5.4 85 8.7 8.1 15.1 102.6 95.4 8 1963 33 DAL qb 14 13 2 0-2-0 33 65 50.8 418 3 4.6 3 4.6 75 6.4 5.3 12.7 32.2 67.3 2 13 comebacks, 13 game-winning drives - full summaryThis 5'7 QB made the Pro Bowl 4 times -
First things first, I loved the back and forth thoughtful discussion between Dutch and Mark. Very entertaining to say the least.
I would take the Baseball money, though I had to play the most boring sport on Earth (mjp, I'm looking at you).
Anyway, you guy missed a point. Something that would make Murray not an idiot, but a genius.
Maybe he is not aiming for an NFL high paid career,
Maybe he wants something more...
Maybe he wants to reach the promised land...
Maybe he is one of those chosen ones, the most fortunate guys on Earth. The smartest of the bunch...
A backup QB career. My idols.
First things first, I loved the back and forth thoughtful discussion between Dutch and Mark. Very entertaining to say the least.
I would take the Baseball money, though I had to play the most boring sport on Earth (mjp, I'm looking at you).
You play soccer no....so yes...you play the most boring sport on Earth.
Anyway, you guy missed a point. Something that would make Murray not an idiot, but a genius.
Maybe he is not aiming for an NFL high paid career,
Maybe he wants something more...
Maybe he wants to reach the promised land...
Maybe he is one of those chosen ones, the most fortunate guys on Earth. The smartest of the bunch...
A backup QB career. My idols.
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