Jarvis Landry headed to pro bowl
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Landry is a possession WR being paid like a star WR. Like others have said I don't care what they pay him until the cap becomes an issue. Good for him making the Pro Bowl but it also illustrates it isn't a measure of top tier talent in the league since his numbers are good at best.
London and Taco are essentially parroting arguments we heard from some of the " experts" when the Landry trade rumors stated heating up. He's not that good and not worth the money. Either you buy that POV, or you don't. Dorsey didn't, and I'll side with John.
London and Taco are essentially parroting arguments we heard from some of the " experts" when the Landry trade rumors stated heating up. He's not that good and not worth the money. Either you buy that POV, or you don't. Dorsey didn't, and I'll side with John.
dorsey is looking at it as a sunk cost vs future cost thing too...and looking at what we already paid him vs cap hit if traded(based on that bonus)....so it's not that simple. Dorsey could
very well be saying "yeah, I missed that one and wish we could get rid of him" but when looking at what we gave him in terms of up front signing bonus and how that is spread out over cap it may make sense to cut bait after next year and not now. Doesnt mean he would do it again
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Landry is a possession WR being paid like a star WR. Like others have said I don't care what they pay him until the cap becomes an issue. Good for him making the Pro Bowl but it also illustrates it isn't a measure of top tier talent in the league since his numbers are good at best.
What makes you think that a possession wide receiver can’t be a star wide receiver.
What makes you think that a possession wide receiver can’t be a star wide receiver.
probably the fact that everything about him(YAC, yp target, first down %) is low for any type of reciever.
His catches result in a first down less than most starters in the league. Thats not good.
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London and Taco are essentially parroting arguments we heard from some of the " experts" when the Landry trade rumors stated heating up. He's not that good and not worth the money. Either you buy that POV, or you don't. Dorsey didn't, and I'll side with John.
dorsey is looking at it as a sunk cost vs future cost thing too...and looking at what we already paid him vs cap hit if traded(based on that bonus)....so it's not that simple. Dorsey could
very well be saying "yeah, I missed that one and wish we could get rid of him" but when looking at what we gave him in terms of up front signing bonus and how that is spread out over cap it may make sense to cut bait after next year and not now. Doesnt mean he would do it again
dorsey is looking at it as a sunk cost vs future cost thing too...and looking at what we already paid him vs cap hit if traded(based on that bonus)....so it's not that simple. Dorsey could
very well be saying "yeah, I missed that one and wish we could get rid of him" but when looking at what we gave him in terms of up front signing bonus and how that is spread out over cap it may make sense to cut bait after next year and not now. Doesn't mean he would do it again
& I (and many other have said) did we know at the time we were overpaying for Landry? Certainly. We were also getting a three time Pro Bowl WR that was a 1,000 yard 100 catch guy for 4th and 7th round draft picks.... Javis also immediately became the best WR on the roster short of the totally unreliable, and soon to be suspended Josh Gordon....
Thing is, as the team improves- Dorsey may not have to overpay for talent. And when the option years start coming up for players like Garrett, the way Landry's contract is structured, he can be moved or cut without destroying the cap. If I'm reading Spotrac correctly, this season we'll have paid almost all of his guaranteed money.
I don't know why a few guys are so damn upset that this year (and only for this year, with tons of cap room) we're paying Jarvis Odell Beckham\ Julio Jones sort of money... If you wan't to look at it this way $5 million of Jarvis' salary is for being a great cheerleader, role model...
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What makes you think that a possession wide receiver can’t be a star wide receiver.
probably the fact that everything about him(YAC, yp target, first down %) is low for any type of reciever.
His catches result in a first down less than most starters in the league. Thats not good.
probably the fact that everything about him(YAC, yp target, first down %) is low for any type of reciever.
His catches result in a first down less than most starters in the league. Thats not good.
His history was that each catch actually did go for a first down. Not sure about this year haven’t seen no stats but all I know is that he made a hell of a lot of first downs with his catches and kept a lot of drivesgoing and scored a number of touchdowns and lead this team the way no one else has for years.
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probably the fact that everything about him(YAC, yp target, first down %) is low for any type of reciever.
His catches result in a first down less than most starters in the league. Thats not good.
His history was that each catch actually did go for a first down. Not sure about this year haven’t seen no stats but all I know is that he made a hell of a lot of first downs with his catches and kept a lot of drivesgoing and scored a number of touchdowns and lead this team the way no one else has for years.
His history was that each catch actually did go for a first down. Not sure about this year haven’t seen no stats but all I know is that he made a hell of a lot of first downs with his catches and kept a lot of drivesgoing and scored a number of touchdowns and lead this team the way no one else has for years.
Ah, come on Gipper- that sort of info is just a couple mouse clicks away.... Landry averaged 12 ypc this year. But-but-but that's not anywhere close to Mike Evans 17 ypc.
Well Jarvis raggers, 12 ypc is more than Julian Edelman's 11.5 ypc- so go ask Tom Brady if he thinks HE sucks.
How many drive sustaining great catches did he make against the Chiefs? A bunch you say? Landry is our Edelman. Deal with it...
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His history was that each catch actually did go for a first down. Not sure about this year haven’t seen no stats but all I know is that he made a hell of a lot of first downs with his catches and kept a lot of drivesgoing and scored a number of touchdowns and lead this team the way no one else has for years.
Ah, come on Gipper- that sort of info is just a couple mouse clicks away.... Landry averaged 12 ypc this year. But-but-but that's not anywhere close to Mike Evans 17 ypc.
Well Jarvis raggers, 12 ypc is more than Julian Edelman's 11.5 ypc- so go ask Tom Brady if he thinks HE sucks.
How many drive sustaining great catches did he make against the Chiefs? A bunch you say? Landry is our Edelman. Deal with it...
Ah, come on Gipper- that sort of info is just a couple mouse clicks away.... Landry averaged 12 ypc this year. But-but-but that's not anywhere close to Mike Evans 17 ypc.
Well Jarvis raggers, 12 ypc is more than Julian Edelman's 11.5 ypc- so go ask Tom Brady if he thinks HE sucks.
How many drive sustaining great catches did he make against the Chiefs? A bunch you say? Landry is our Edelman. Deal with it...
Probably a good time to close this thread after that final statement.. I took it as a gavel slam.. (No offense Gip) LOL
Nickers...."There are no old running QB's in the NFL "~Sam Rutigliano~ -
Ah, come on Gipper- that sort of info is just a couple mouse clicks away.... Landry averaged 12 ypc this year. But-but-but that's not anywhere close to Mike Evans 17 ypc.
Well Jarvis raggers, 12 ypc is more than Julian Edelman's 11.5 ypc- so go ask Tom Brady if he thinks HE sucks.
How many drive sustaining great catches did he make against the Chiefs? A bunch you say? Landry is our Edelman. Deal with it...
Probably a good time to close this thread after that final statement.. I took it as a gavel slam.. (No offense Gip) LOL
Probably a good time to close this thread after that final statement.. I took it as a gavel slam.. (No offense Gip) LOL
I really do try to be sort of objective. I pointed this out earlier to guys who are SO anti-Jarvis, where's the thread about Jamie Collins being statistically inferior? And making a ton of money in the process? IMHO, they've picked the wrong guy to target..
But-but-but, we're overpaying him!!!! Just like any team in the dumpster would have had to. How many players take a discount to play for a team with Super Bowl aspirations? Suh raked in $60 million guaranteed from the Dolphins, and is playing on a relatively cheap $16 million one year deal with the Rams...
Nah, I'll keep it open. Haters gonna hate...
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Probably a good time to close this thread after that final statement.. I took it as a gavel slam.. (No offense Gip) LOL
I really do try to be sort of objective. I pointed this out earlier to guys who are SO anti-Jarvis, where's the thread about Jamie Collins being statistically inferior? And making a ton of money in the process? IMHO, they've picked the wrong guy to target..
But-but-but, we're overpaying him!!!! Just like any team in the dumpster would have had to. How many players take a discount to play for a team with Super Bowl aspirations? Suh raked in $60 million guaranteed from the Dolphins, and is playing on a relatively cheap $16 million one year deal with the Rams...
Nah, I'll keep it open. Haters gonna hate...
I really do try to be sort of objective. I pointed this out earlier to guys who are SO anti-Jarvis, where's the thread about Jamie Collins being statistically inferior? And making a ton of money in the process? IMHO, they've picked the wrong guy to target..
But-but-but, we're overpaying him!!!! Just like any team in the dumpster would have had to. How many players take a discount to play for a team with Super Bowl aspirations? Suh raked in $60 million guaranteed from the Dolphins, and is playing on a relatively cheap $16 million one year deal with the Rams...
Nah, I'll keep it open. Haters gonna hate...
A symptom of being in the NFL gutter so long does that to people.. Some just enjoy being miserable.. I laugh at everything and everybody.. I figure whilt I'm alive.. I'm gonna smile and laugh my way through life.. Its how I've pretty much handled obstacles in stead of "Woe is Me"
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His history was that each catch actually did go for a first down. Not sure about this year haven’t seen no stats but all I know is that he made a hell of a lot of first downs with his catches and kept a lot of drivesgoing and scored a number of touchdowns and lead this team the way no one else has for years.
Ah, come on Gipper- that sort of info is just a couple mouse clicks away.... Landry averaged 12 ypc this year. But-but-but that's not anywhere close to Mike Evans 17 ypc.
Well Jarvis raggers, 12 ypc is more than Julian Edelman's 11.5 ypc- so go ask Tom Brady if he thinks HE sucks.
How many drive sustaining great catches did he make against the Chiefs? A bunch you say? Landry is our Edelman. Deal with it...
Ah, come on Gipper- that sort of info is just a couple mouse clicks away.... Landry averaged 12 ypc this year. But-but-but that's not anywhere close to Mike Evans 17 ypc.
Well Jarvis raggers, 12 ypc is more than Julian Edelman's 11.5 ypc- so go ask Tom Brady if he thinks HE sucks.
How many drive sustaining great catches did he make against the Chiefs? A bunch you say? Landry is our Edelman. Deal with it...
I am just on my phone so it’s not as easy for me to do the research like that as when I am on my desktop at the office
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Ah, come on Gipper- that sort of info is just a couple mouse clicks away.... Landry averaged 12 ypc this year. But-but-but that's not anywhere close to Mike Evans 17 ypc.
Well Jarvis raggers, 12 ypc is more than Julian Edelman's 11.5 ypc- so go ask Tom Brady if he thinks HE sucks.
How many drive sustaining great catches did he make against the Chiefs? A bunch you say? Landry is our Edelman. Deal with it...
I am just on my phone so it’s not as easy for me to do the research like that as when I am on my desktop at the office
I am just on my phone so it’s not as easy for me to do the research like that as when I am on my desktop at the office
OK, understand. I have a hell of a time early in the day when I'm reviewing on on my tablet- with the same problem. Cut and paste, or insert links? Haven't figured that out yet....
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I am just on my phone so it’s not as easy for me to do the research like that as when I am on my desktop at the office
OK, understand. I have a hell of a time early in the day when I'm reviewing on on my tablet- with the same problem. Cut and paste, or insert links? Haven't figured that out yet....
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Receiving & Rushing
Games Receiving Rushing Total Yds Year Age Tm Pos No. G GS Tgt Rec Yds Y/R TD Lng R/G Y/G Ctch% Rush Yds TD Lng Y/A Y/G A/G Touch Y/Tch YScm RRTD Fmb AV Career 80 71 719 481 5014 10.4 26 71 6.0 62.7 29 179 2 51 6.2 2.2 0.4 510 10.2 5193 28 15 40 4 yrs MIA 64 57 570 400 4038 10.1 22 71 6.3 63.1 26 119 1 22 4.6 1.9 0.4 426 9.8 4157 23 14 33 1 yr CLE 16 14 149 81 976 12.0 4 51 5.1 61.0 3 60 1 51 20.0 3.8 0.2 84 12.3 1036 5 1 7 2014 22 MIA WR 14 16 11 112 84 758 9.0 5 25 5.3 47.4 75.0% 2 -4 0 4 -2.0 -0.3 0.1 86 8.8 754 5 7 7 2015* 23 MIA WR 14 16 14 166 110 1157 10.5 4 50 6.9 72.3 66.3% 18 113 1 22 6.3 7.1 1.1 128 9.9 1270 5 1 9 2016* 24 MIA WR 14 16 16 131 94 1136 12.1 4 71 5.9 71.0 71.8% 5 17 0 13 3.4 1.1 0.3 99 11.6 1153 4 2 10 2017* 25 MIA WR 14 16 16 161 112 987 8.8 9 49 7.0 61.7 69.6% 1 -7 0 -7 -7.0 -0.4 0.1 113 8.7 980 9 4 7 2018 26 CLE WR 80 16 14 149 81 976 12.0 4 51 5.1 61.0 54.4% 3 60 1 51 20.0 3.8 0.2 84 12.3 1036 5 1 7 1 playoff game - full playoff gamelogsHe had 81 catches....just 8 short of the team record. He gained 12.0 yards per reception. That is what possession receivers do....make first downs.He absolutely did what he was brought here to do and what he was expected to do.And this does not count for any intangibles he may have brought. -
Probably a good time to close this thread after that final statement.. I took it as a gavel slam.. (No offense Gip) LOL
I really do try to be sort of objective. I pointed this out earlier to guys who are SO anti-Jarvis, where's the thread about Jamie Collins being statistically inferior? And making a ton of money in the process? IMHO, they've picked the wrong guy to target..
But-but-but, we're overpaying him!!!! Just like any team in the dumpster would have had to. How many players take a discount to play for a team with Super Bowl aspirations? Suh raked in $60 million guaranteed from the Dolphins, and is playing on a relatively cheap $16 million one year deal with the Rams...
Nah, I'll keep it open. Haters gonna hate...
I really do try to be sort of objective. I pointed this out earlier to guys who are SO anti-Jarvis, where's the thread about Jamie Collins being statistically inferior? And making a ton of money in the process? IMHO, they've picked the wrong guy to target..
But-but-but, we're overpaying him!!!! Just like any team in the dumpster would have had to. How many players take a discount to play for a team with Super Bowl aspirations? Suh raked in $60 million guaranteed from the Dolphins, and is playing on a relatively cheap $16 million one year deal with the Rams...
Nah, I'll keep it open. Haters gonna hate...
Jamie Collins isn't a loud mouth prima dona
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Ah, come on Gipper- that sort of info is just a couple mouse clicks away.... Landry averaged 12 ypc this year. But-but-but that's not anywhere close to Mike Evans 17 ypc.
Well Jarvis raggers, 12 ypc is more than Julian Edelman's 11.5 ypc- so go ask Tom Brady if he thinks HE sucks.
How many drive sustaining great catches did he make against the Chiefs? A bunch you say? Landry is our Edelman. Deal with it...
Probably a good time to close this thread after that final statement.. I took it as a gavel slam.. (No offense Gip) LOL
Probably a good time to close this thread after that final statement.. I took it as a gavel slam.. (No offense Gip) LOL
ummm....it's a stupid comparison. Edelman catches a higher percentages of balls(at least last year), so his yp target(the more meaningful stat) is higher.....
also, while you're at it- look up edelman's contract. Then look up landry's....now thats the gavel slam.
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Probably a good time to close this thread after that final statement.. I took it as a gavel slam.. (No offense Gip) LOL
ummm....it's a stupid comparison. Edelman catches a higher percentages of balls(at least last year), so his yp target(the more meaningful stat) is higher.....
also, while you're at it- look up edelman's contract. Then look up landry's....now thats the gavel slam.
ummm....it's a stupid comparison. Edelman catches a higher percentages of balls(at least last year), so his yp target(the more meaningful stat) is higher.....
also, while you're at it- look up edelman's contract. Then look up landry's....now thats the gavel slam.
Who really fucking cares.. Landry is our guy.. I'm ok with that.
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ummm....it's a stupid comparison. Edelman catches a higher percentages of balls(at least last year), so his yp target(the more meaningful stat) is higher.....
also, while you're at it- look up edelman's contract. Then look up landry's....now thats the gavel slam.
Who really fucking cares.. Landry is our guy.. I'm ok with that.
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Nah...he's right...
Landry sucks because someone else has a couple better stats...cause that's all that matters, entire picture. It's their money afterall...
There's no right or wrong here.. Landry is productive for us.. End of story..
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So I just looked at Landry's statistical season...and for almost half the games he caught 50% or less of his targets. Now that seems sub par. But you have to consider that at some point the QB HAS TO throw the ball. (or run, throw it away or eat it) So who would you pick to throw the ball at, such that only he could get it, not the defender, but it's going to take an incredible effort and catch? You'd probably go with Landry. Especially early on, when Njoku was dropping passes. - And Landry came through with some circus catches.
Landry was on the field for us all season...contributing every week...even when he was dinged and thought that he might not be active for Sunday. Might as well say he had five 100 yard games (4 acutally, one was 97 yards). With all of the young, unproven receivers he was surrounded with, he had a pro bowl type year.
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Probably a good time to close this thread after that final statement.. I took it as a gavel slam.. (No offense Gip) LOL
ummm....it's a stupid comparison. Edelman catches a higher percentages of balls(at least last year), so his yp target(the more meaningful stat) is higher.....
also, while you're at it- look up edelman's contract. Then look up landry's....now thats the gavel slam.
ummm....it's a stupid comparison. Edelman catches a higher percentages of balls(at least last year), so his yp target(the more meaningful stat) is higher.....
also, while you're at it- look up edelman's contract. Then look up landry's....now thats the gavel slam.
Haters gonna hate...
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ummm....it's a stupid comparison. Edelman catches a higher percentages of balls(at least last year), so his yp target(the more meaningful stat) is higher.....
also, while you're at it- look up edelman's contract. Then look up landry's....now thats the gavel slam.
Haters gonna hate...
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