Inside the Browns front office, ESPN
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I'm sorry Flugs, but you literally lost me with this.
Nathan Zegura is a paid cheerleader. He's a one-man Browns propaganda machine. He's the Browns version of 'Tokyo Rose'.
Gotta agree with that one. I’m pretty sure Nathan’s BB screen name starts with P and ends with G.
Gotta agree with that one. I’m pretty sure Nathan’s BB screen name starts with P and ends with G.
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I'm sorry Flugs, but you literally lost me with this.
Nathan Zegura is a paid cheerleader. He's a one-man Browns propaganda machine. He's the Browns version of 'Tokyo Rose'.
Don't worry my man - I'll try to find you before you appear on a milk carton.
Regardless of what you think of Zegura - that doesn't make an outsider that's focusing more on what happened in 2013 and 2014 as more pertinent to where the Browns are at today my type of go-to guy for updates and current events about this franchise.
Keep in mind, the same Seth Wickersham was writing about the Family Feud in NE (between Brady, Belichick and Kraft) that was destined to sink the ship. Now that NE is moving onto the SB from the ideal working relationships Brady, Belichick and Kraft had together - media suddenly can't stop telling us where Brady and Belichick currently rank with their accomplishments together.
If you swing from your asss and miss the way Wickersham did on NE, time to get that confidence back up attacking the Cleveland Browns. How impressive especially since he didn't time it for when this team was in the process of 1-31 football. Oh no, he waited until more than 365 days later when the enthusiasm of this fan base reached it's highest points since the inexplicable 7-4 start to the 2014 season.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I like Nathan Zagura's response best to the outdated article. Much of the panic attack is old news that the owner not only took on/accepted the blame for; but has self evaluated and attempted to learn from or that wouldn't be enthusiasm for this team everywhere but the Colin Cowherd types trying to make it off of outdated stories. Not to sound like the late Gilda Radnor but they're growing pains of a NEW NFL owner; unless anyone wants to pretend his "little itsy bitsy teeny tiny" minority ownership involved him sitting in the chair next to Rooney learning the business in Pittsburgh. New HCs get these growing pains too; especially when they take over a dumpster fire that hasn't been extinguished. It wasn't like Randy Lerner was an experienced/seasoned owner before he realized his inheritance was only burying this franchise deeper. If anyone thinks giving this franchise the CPR it needed after Lerner was going to be easy for the next brand new owner - I have some real estate for sale in Alligator Alley...
LB, I think where you and me tend to disconnect occasionally isn't in your passion for this team. You're a diehard and I like that. It's your timing of complaints. The first time I jumped all over you was the day after you started a thread complaining about a RB (Hyde) that ended up with 2 TDs and 98 yards rushing and a WR (Landry) that contributed 8 receptions for 103 yards in this team's first of 7 wins coming off an 0-16 season the year before.
If you didn't see tremendous progress in the direction of this team in 2018 - it's because you didn't want to. Obviously, there's still a lot more that needs to be done. But, this sure feels like we've taken our first big step forward which finally makes momentum seem far more conceivable. All of a sudden, we have a large core group of players that aren't dreaming about greener pastures elsewhere after their 1st season or 2 here. They're excited to be here for a refreshing change, which reflects way better about the current situation here than the meaningless Colin Cowherd wannabees are capable of. Not only that, but it's become a way better recruiting attraction for veteran FAs than it's ever been... All that being the case, the better time to panic was when Cleveland followed 1-15 with 0-16 than what many of the solutions to it have provided in the first time this franchise has only lost 8 games in over a decade. Yes, inexperience frequently leads to mistakes. The guy who wrote the article you seem to think is so wonderful here - just so happened to time it all when this team showed the type of progress reflecting a lot has been learned from previous mistakes.
People like to piss and moan about how negative the media in Cleveland likes to get at times; but fans celebrating the piece of shittt article this guy wrote only feeds their insatiable appetite to write what they think fans prefer to read. That can KILL a recruiting attraction for FA veterans here and has quite often in the past.
If you have some real estate in Alligator Alley you could at least give air boat tours. ?
If you have some real estate in Alligator Alley you could at least give air boat tours. ?
Except in a few spots, on my trip through Alligator Alley a few years ago from Naples over to Miami, it looked like the vegetation was far too dense to get an airboat through.... Amazing ride- it looked like to lay out the road, they just tied a rope to a cannonball, and fired. I counted, two turns the entire ride.....
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I'm sorry Flugs, but you literally lost me with this.
Nathan Zegura is a paid cheerleader. He's a one-man Browns propaganda machine. He's the Browns version of 'Tokyo Rose'.
Don't worry my man - I'll try to find you before you appear on a milk carton.
Regardless of what you think of Zegura - that doesn't make an outsider that's focusing more on what happened in 2013 and 2014 as more pertinent to where the Browns are at today my type of go-to guy for updates and current events about this franchise.
Keep in mind, the same Seth Wickersham was writing about the Family Feud in NE (between Brady, Belichick and Kraft) that was destined to sink the ship. Now that NE is moving onto the SB from the ideal working relationships Brady, Belichick and Kraft had together - media suddenly can't stop telling us where Brady and Belichick currently rank with their accomplishments together.
If you swing from your asss and miss the way Wickersham did on NE, time to get that confidence back up attacking the Cleveland Browns. How impressive especially since he didn't time it for when this team was in the process of 1-31 football. Oh no, he waited until more than 365 days later when the enthusiasm of this fan base reached it's highest points since the inexplicable 7-4 start to the 2014 season.
Don't worry my man - I'll try to find you before you appear on a milk carton.
Regardless of what you think of Zegura - that doesn't make an outsider that's focusing more on what happened in 2013 and 2014 as more pertinent to where the Browns are at today my type of go-to guy for updates and current events about this franchise.
Keep in mind, the same Seth Wickersham was writing about the Family Feud in NE (between Brady, Belichick and Kraft) that was destined to sink the ship. Now that NE is moving onto the SB from the ideal working relationships Brady, Belichick and Kraft had together - media suddenly can't stop telling us where Brady and Belichick currently rank with their accomplishments together.
If you swing from your asss and miss the way Wickersham did on NE, time to get that confidence back up attacking the Cleveland Browns. How impressive especially since he didn't time it for when this team was in the process of 1-31 football. Oh no, he waited until more than 365 days later when the enthusiasm of this fan base reached it's highest points since the inexplicable 7-4 start to the 2014 season.
I totally agree, I found the timing of the article odd.
Doesn't change the fact that overwhelmingly it was spot-on, though.
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Don't worry my man - I'll try to find you before you appear on a milk carton.
Regardless of what you think of Zegura - that doesn't make an outsider that's focusing more on what happened in 2013 and 2014 as more pertinent to where the Browns are at today my type of go-to guy for updates and current events about this franchise.
Keep in mind, the same Seth Wickersham was writing about the Family Feud in NE (between Brady, Belichick and Kraft) that was destined to sink the ship. Now that NE is moving onto the SB from the ideal working relationships Brady, Belichick and Kraft had together - media suddenly can't stop telling us where Brady and Belichick currently rank with their accomplishments together.
If you swing from your asss and miss the way Wickersham did on NE, time to get that confidence back up attacking the Cleveland Browns. How impressive especially since he didn't time it for when this team was in the process of 1-31 football. Oh no, he waited until more than 365 days later when the enthusiasm of this fan base reached it's highest points since the inexplicable 7-4 start to the 2014 season.
I totally agree, I found the timing of the article odd.
Doesn't change the fact that overwhelmingly it was spot-on, though.
I totally agree, I found the timing of the article odd.
Doesn't change the fact that overwhelmingly it was spot-on, though.
True. I don't think anyone will dispute the volume of mistakes Jimmy has made. Looks like we agree there's been much more appropriate times to launch that kind of article than just recently.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I totally agree, I found the timing of the article odd.
Doesn't change the fact that overwhelmingly it was spot-on, though.
True. I don't think anyone will dispute the volume of mistakes Jimmy has made. Looks like we agree there's been much more appropriate times to launch that kind of article than just recently.
True. I don't think anyone will dispute the volume of mistakes Jimmy has made. Looks like we agree there's been much more appropriate times to launch that kind of article than just recently.
Appropriate? Come now Tom, we ARE talking about the media, right? LOL
Mike
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I like Nathan Zagura's response best to the outdated article. Much of the panic attack is old news that the owner not only took on/accepted the blame for; but has self evaluated and attempted to learn from or that wouldn't be enthusiasm for this team everywhere but the Colin Cowherd types trying to make it off of outdated stories. Not to sound like the late Gilda Radnor but they're growing pains of a NEW NFL owner; unless anyone wants to pretend his "little itsy bitsy teeny tiny" minority ownership involved him sitting in the chair next to Rooney learning the business in Pittsburgh. New HCs get these growing pains too; especially when they take over a dumpster fire that hasn't been extinguished. It wasn't like Randy Lerner was an experienced/seasoned owner before he realized his inheritance was only burying this franchise deeper. If anyone thinks giving this franchise the CPR it needed after Lerner was going to be easy for the next brand new owner - I have some real estate for sale in Alligator Alley...
LB, I think where you and me tend to disconnect occasionally isn't in your passion for this team. You're a diehard and I like that. It's your timing of complaints. The first time I jumped all over you was the day after you started a thread complaining about a RB (Hyde) that ended up with 2 TDs and 98 yards rushing and a WR (Landry) that contributed 8 receptions for 103 yards in this team's first of 7 wins coming off an 0-16 season the year before.
If you didn't see tremendous progress in the direction of this team in 2018 - it's because you didn't want to. Obviously, there's still a lot more that needs to be done. But, this sure feels like we've taken our first big step forward which finally makes momentum seem far more conceivable. All of a sudden, we have a large core group of players that aren't dreaming about greener pastures elsewhere after their 1st season or 2 here. They're excited to be here for a refreshing change, which reflects way better about the current situation here than the meaningless Colin Cowherd wannabees are capable of. Not only that, but it's become a way better recruiting attraction for veteran FAs than it's ever been... All that being the case, the better time to panic was when Cleveland followed 1-15 with 0-16 than what many of the solutions to it have provided in the first time this franchise has only lost 8 games in over a decade. Yes, inexperience frequently leads to mistakes. The guy who wrote the article you seem to think is so wonderful here - just so happened to time it all when this team showed the type of progress reflecting a lot has been learned from previous mistakes.
People like to piss and moan about how negative the media in Cleveland likes to get at times; but fans celebrating the piece of shittt article this guy wrote only feeds their insatiable appetite to write what they think fans prefer to read. That can KILL a recruiting attraction for FA veterans here and has quite often in the past.
If you have some real estate in Alligator Alley you could at least give air boat tours. ?
If you have some real estate in Alligator Alley you could at least give air boat tours. ?
If it wasn't such a perfect place to teach swimming lessons to Ratbird fans I might have the time to give air boat tours. They love my buy 1 get one free specials; and so do the alligators...
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I don't think the timing is odd. It is both a low season for the media (no FA yet; waiting for the SB) and maybe a turning point on Browns organization. We drafted some good young players (maybe a ROY) and acquired talent (I keep dreaming of Perryman becoming a #1WR), we fired a HC and an OC who didn't like each other and we hired as HC someone who almost no one knew about a year ago. This season we have been through a lot, and for once in a long time, we have a lot of things to be optimistic about.
This article shows a lot of mistakes that have been made, but also the will of an organization to keep trying to do things better. No one has given up. Now that we seem to have some of the key pieces in place - a logical reporting structure, a strong GM, a good quaterback, an owner who lets others do their job...- is time to turn that will into positive results, but never forgetting where did we come from, learning from our mistakes.
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I totally agree, I found the timing of the article odd.
Doesn't change the fact that overwhelmingly it was spot-on, though.
True. I don't think anyone will dispute the volume of mistakes Jimmy has made. Looks like we agree there's been much more appropriate times to launch that kind of article than just recently.
True. I don't think anyone will dispute the volume of mistakes Jimmy has made. Looks like we agree there's been much more appropriate times to launch that kind of article than just recently.
But let's be honest, for many Browns fans, it wouldn't had mattered.
They'd pull the "if its news I don't like, it's bullshit news" nonsense and then bury their heads in the sand and pretend it isn't true.
And if the problems rear their ugly head again, they'll act surprised.
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I don't think the timing is odd. It is both a low season for the media (no FA yet; waiting for the SB) and maybe a turning point on Browns organization. We drafted some good young players (maybe a ROY) and acquired talent (I keep dreaming of Perryman becoming a #1WR), we fired a HC and an OC who didn't like each other and we hired as HC someone who almost no one knew about a year ago. This season we have been through a lot, and for once in a long time, we have a lot of things to be optimistic about.
This article shows a lot of mistakes that have been made, but also the will of an organization to keep trying to do things better. No one has given up. Now that we seem to have some of the key pieces in place - a logical reporting structure, a strong GM, a good quaterback, an owner who lets others do their job...- is time to turn that will into positive results, but never forgetting where did we come from, learning from our mistakes.
I don't think the timing is odd. It is both a low season for the media (no FA yet; waiting for the SB) and maybe a turning point on Browns organization. We drafted some good young players (maybe a ROY) and acquired talent (I keep dreaming of Perryman becoming a #1WR), we fired a HC and an OC who didn't like each other and we hired as HC someone who almost no one knew about a year ago. This season we have been through a lot, and for once in a long time, we have a lot of things to be optimistic about.
This article shows a lot of mistakes that have been made, but also the will of an organization to keep trying to do things better. No one has given up. Now that we seem to have some of the key pieces in place - a logical reporting structure, a strong GM, a good quaterback, an owner who lets others do their job...- is time to turn that will into positive results, but never forgetting where did we come from, learning from our mistakes.
I don't see many getting the same positive message you got from the article Nero nor do I think the author wanted any readers getting all warm and fuzzy about Jimmy today. And for all the reasons you mentioned in your first paragraph - that's what made the timing of it all really strange as recent posts have mentioned... There was a tremendous need to make those already worried about Jimmy - even more worried or 1 step closer to Nurse Ratchid. It was like an alarm clock reminder to all the media in Cleveland along the lines of - "have you all forgotten venom sells before this Cinderella story in the 2nd half of 2018 reaches an inevitable early midnight?"
Now Tony Grossi and Mary Kay are going to get all jealous that someone in the media outside of Cleveland just beat them to stirring up controversy immediately the first hint this organization showed it was starting to progress past it (reflected by a team improving from 16 losses to 8 in just 1 year.
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
I don't think the timing is odd. It is both a low season for the media (no FA yet; waiting for the SB) and maybe a turning point on Browns organization. We drafted some good young players (maybe a ROY) and acquired talent (I keep dreaming of Perryman becoming a #1WR), we fired a HC and an OC who didn't like each other and we hired as HC someone who almost no one knew about a year ago. This season we have been through a lot, and for once in a long time, we have a lot of things to be optimistic about.
This article shows a lot of mistakes that have been made, but also the will of an organization to keep trying to do things better. No one has given up. Now that we seem to have some of the key pieces in place - a logical reporting structure, a strong GM, a good quaterback, an owner who lets others do their job...- is time to turn that will into positive results, but never forgetting where did we come from, learning from our mistakes.
I don't think the timing is odd. It is both a low season for the media (no FA yet; waiting for the SB) and maybe a turning point on Browns organization. We drafted some good young players (maybe a ROY) and acquired talent (I keep dreaming of Perryman becoming a #1WR), we fired a HC and an OC who didn't like each other and we hired as HC someone who almost no one knew about a year ago. This season we have been through a lot, and for once in a long time, we have a lot of things to be optimistic about.
This article shows a lot of mistakes that have been made, but also the will of an organization to keep trying to do things better. No one has given up. Now that we seem to have some of the key pieces in place - a logical reporting structure, a strong GM, a good quaterback, an owner who lets others do their job...- is time to turn that will into positive results, but never forgetting where did we come from, learning from our mistakes.
Also, lost in all the rehashing of the ineptitude of the Haslams Reign of Errors is the fact that the writer does acknowledge that the Browns are trending upward.
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I don't think the timing is odd. It is both a low season for the media (no FA yet; waiting for the SB) and maybe a turning point on Browns organization. We drafted some good young players (maybe a ROY) and acquired talent (I keep dreaming of Perryman becoming a #1WR), we fired a HC and an OC who didn't like each other and we hired as HC someone who almost no one knew about a year ago. This season we have been through a lot, and for once in a long time, we have a lot of things to be optimistic about.
This article shows a lot of mistakes that have been made, but also the will of an organization to keep trying to do things better. No one has given up. Now that we seem to have some of the key pieces in place - a logical reporting structure, a strong GM, a good quaterback, an owner who lets others do their job...- is time to turn that will into positive results, but never forgetting where did we come from, learning from our mistakes.
I don't see many getting the same positive message you got from the article Nero nor do I think the author wanted any readers getting all warm and fuzzy about Jimmy today. And for all the reasons you mentioned in your first paragraph - that's what made the timing of it all really strange as recent posts have mentioned... There was a tremendous need to make those already worried about Jimmy - even more worried or 1 step closer to Nurse Ratchid. It was like an alarm clock reminder to all the media in Cleveland along the lines of - "have you all forgotten venom sells before this Cinderella story in the 2nd half of 2018 reaches an inevitable early midnight?"
Now Tony Grossi and Mary Kay are going to get all jealous that someone in the media outside of Cleveland just beat them to stirring up controversy immediately the first hint this organization showed it was starting to progress past it (reflected by a team improving from 16 losses to 8 in just 1 year.
Now Tony Grossi and Mary Kay are going to get all jealous that someone in the media outside of Cleveland just beat them to stirring up controversy immediately the first hint this organization showed it was starting to progress past it (reflected by a team improving from 16 losses to 8 in just 1 year.
This makes zero sense to me.
The Browns since returning to the NFL have had TWO winning seasons out of 20 seasons. One playoff appearance. There's been one ridiculous story out of the front office after another... (Phil Savage almost getting fired after one season, the whole George Kokinis/Eric Mangini debacle, homeless people choosing draft picks, and on and on and on). Seriously, the Browns were easily contention to being the worst professional sports franchise. Not worst NFL franchise, but worst sports franchise of the big four leagues.
How exactly should have Tony Grossi and Mary Kay Cabot paint such a picture? Should they have gone all Nathan Zegura and smiled and danced his way through such ineptitude?
"Hi, I'm Nathan Zegura, and I'm going to tell all of you why the Browns taking Justin Gilbert and Johnny Manziel in Round 1 of the 2014 Draft actually wasn't the shit sandwich everyone thinks it was, on the next installment of 'Yeah the Browns Suck, But I'm Going to Wrap It Up In A Pretty Bow And Kiss The Browns Organization's Ass Browns Show'!" -
True. I don't think anyone will dispute the volume of mistakes Jimmy has made. Looks like we agree there's been much more appropriate times to launch that kind of article than just recently.
But let's be honest, for many Browns fans, it wouldn't had mattered.
They'd pull the "if its news I don't like, it's bullshit news" nonsense and then bury their heads in the sand and pretend it isn't true.
And if the problems rear their ugly head again, they'll act surprised.
But let's be honest, for many Browns fans, it wouldn't had mattered.
They'd pull the "if its news I don't like, it's bullshit news" nonsense and then bury their heads in the sand and pretend it isn't true.
And if the problems rear their ugly head again, they'll act surprised.
As much as I look like I only want to hear positive stuff - how many more times can they beat a dead horse with all the negative crap we already hear about over and over and over again. Now that people are starting to see reasons to get excited - here it comes again at an unparalleled effort without pointing inexperience leads to growing pains in most dumpster fires that have never been put out. But that sort of defies the agenda and venom juice.
The only thing I remember about the movie the Poseiden Adventure (in parallel to what this fan base has experienced) is the following verse from the theme song: "Oh can't you see the morning after." It sure would be nice with the momentum and mojo of the back stretch of the 2018 season to let this fan base see a morning after for a refreshing change.
I have a sense of cautious/guarded optimism just like anyone else. That said my football background of showing up with a game face that always gave me a much better chance than showing up in a feral position with we're gonna get our asses kicked is just too hard to change from this old dawg that doesn't learn new tricks.
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Cup of Joe media post of the day... "on this day 19 years ago, the Pats hired Bill Belichick as HC. Since that time, the rest of the NFL has employed 184 HC's combined"
...Haslam has owned this team since 2012 with a compiled record of 27-75-1.. Go get'em Freddie!!
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Cup of Joe media post of the day... "on this day 19 years ago, the Pats hired Bill Belichick as HC. Since that time, the rest of the NFL has employed 184 HC's combined"
...Haslam has owned this team since 2012 with a compiled record of 27-75-1.. Go get'em Freddie!!
Cup of Joe post of the day... "on this day 19 years ago, the Pats hired Bill Belichick as HC. Since that time, the rest of the NFL has employed 184 HC's combined"
...Haslam has owned this team since 2012 with a compiled record of 27-75-1.. Go get'em Freddie!!
And February 15th will mark the 23rd anniversary of Art Modell and Baltimore firing Bill.
Zombo
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Now Tony Grossi and Mary Kay are going to get all jealous that someone in the media outside of Cleveland just beat them to stirring up controversy immediately the first hint this organization showed it was starting to progress past it (reflected by a team improving from 16 losses to 8 in just 1 year.
This makes zero sense to me.
The Browns since returning to the NFL have had TWO winning seasons out of 20 seasons. One playoff appearance. There's been one ridiculous story out of the front office after another... (Phil Savage almost getting fired after one season, the whole George Kokinis/Eric Mangini debacle, homeless people choosing draft picks, and on and on and on). Seriously, the Browns were easily contention to being the worst professional sports franchise. Not worst NFL franchise, but worst sports franchise of the big four leagues.
How exactly should have Tony Grossi and Mary Kay Cabot paint such a picture? Should they have gone all Nathan Zegura and smiled and danced his way through such ineptitude?
"Hi, I'm Nathan Zegura, and I'm going to tell all of you why the Browns taking Justin Gilbert and Johnny Manziel in Round 1 of the 2014 Draft actually wasn't the shit sandwich everyone thinks it was, on the next installment of 'Yeah the Browns Suck, But I'm Going to Wrap It Up In A Pretty Bow And Kiss The Browns Organization's Ass Browns Show'!"This makes zero sense to me.
The Browns since returning to the NFL have had TWO winning seasons out of 20 seasons. One playoff appearance. There's been one ridiculous story out of the front office after another... (Phil Savage almost getting fired after one season, the whole George Kokinis/Eric Mangini debacle, homeless people choosing draft picks, and on and on and on). Seriously, the Browns were easily contention to being the worst professional sports franchise. Not worst NFL franchise, but worst sports franchise of the big four leagues.
How exactly should have Tony Grossi and Mary Kay Cabot paint such a picture? Should they have gone all Nathan Zegura and smiled and danced his way through such ineptitude?
"Hi, I'm Nathan Zegura, and I'm going to tell all of you why the Browns taking Justin Gilbert and Johnny Manziel in Round 1 of the 2014 Draft actually wasn't the shit sandwich everyone thinks it was, on the next installment of 'Yeah the Browns Suck, But I'm Going to Wrap It Up In A Pretty Bow And Kiss The Browns Organization's Ass Browns Show'!"You don't want it to make sense so you're painting Zegura out to be the media person that doesn't know what he's talking about while defending Mary Kay Cabot and Tony Grossi for repeatedly attacking new leaderships in Cleveland before their contract ink dries. AGAIN, Zegura pointed out that draft picks made from Sashi, Farmer and Banner (good or bad) weren't being made with nearly the same criteria, decision making process and majority of people Dorsey is using here in 2018 and 2019. That was his main message about the timing of it all reflecting toward 2018 and 2019 ahead instead of dwelling on the sins of 2013 and 2014 that have no pertinence moving forward. None. Weren't you just telling me you totally agree the timing of the article was strange?
When it is after the fact, I prefer a less biased agenda from sports writers like Pluto that give you an honest summary of both pros and cons rather than the convenient percentages of truth MKC and Grossi prefer to include in their summaries.
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I don't think the timing is odd. It is both a low season for the media (no FA yet; waiting for the SB) and maybe a turning point on Browns organization. We drafted some good young players (maybe a ROY) and acquired talent (I keep dreaming of Perryman becoming a #1WR), we fired a HC and an OC who didn't like each other and we hired as HC someone who almost no one knew about a year ago. This season we have been through a lot, and for once in a long time, we have a lot of things to be optimistic about.
This article shows a lot of mistakes that have been made, but also the will of an organization to keep trying to do things better. No one has given up. Now that we seem to have some of the key pieces in place - a logical reporting structure, a strong GM, a good quaterback, an owner who lets others do their job...- is time to turn that will into positive results, but never forgetting where did we come from, learning from our mistakes.
I don't see many getting the same positive message you got from the article Nero nor do I think the author wanted any readers getting all warm and fuzzy about Jimmy today. And for all the reasons you mentioned in your first paragraph - that's what made the timing of it all really strange as recent posts have mentioned... There was a tremendous need to make those already worried about Jimmy - even more worried or 1 step closer to Nurse Ratchid. It was like an alarm clock reminder to all the media in Cleveland along the lines of - "have you all forgotten venom sells before this Cinderella story in the 2nd half of 2018 reaches an inevitable early midnight?"
Now Tony Grossi and Mary Kay are going to get all jealous that someone in the media outside of Cleveland just beat them to stirring up controversy immediately the first hint this organization showed it was starting to progress past it (reflected by a team improving from 16 losses to 8 in just 1 year.
I don't see many getting the same positive message you got from the article Nero nor do I think the author wanted any readers getting all warm and fuzzy about Jimmy today. And for all the reasons you mentioned in your first paragraph - that's what made the timing of it all really strange as recent posts have mentioned... There was a tremendous need to make those already worried about Jimmy - even more worried or 1 step closer to Nurse Ratchid. It was like an alarm clock reminder to all the media in Cleveland along the lines of - "have you all forgotten venom sells before this Cinderella story in the 2nd half of 2018 reaches an inevitable early midnight?"
Now Tony Grossi and Mary Kay are going to get all jealous that someone in the media outside of Cleveland just beat them to stirring up controversy immediately the first hint this organization showed it was starting to progress past it (reflected by a team improving from 16 losses to 8 in just 1 year.
I don’t know about a positive message, but for a story detailing the many follies Haslam has committed l thought it did a fair job painting a balanced picture and humanizing him. Some positives l gleamed is he has a helluva work ethic, he at least attempts to surround himself and listen to qualified people, he’s not that boss that is so high and mighty he won’t talk to the janitor, and he wants to be the best NFL owner he can be and has a butning desire to build a winner.
Plenty of negatives too though. He’s a fickle bastard, doesn’t always listen to the people he hires to consult or listens to the wrong people, goes back on his word, and there’s definitely an element of disingenuousness and shadyness about him.
Quite frankly it seems he lucked into his present situation. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes.
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Finally got around to reading the article... and had mixed reactions galore.
Just about was feeling sorry for Farmer when it was mentioned he turned down an R2 pick for Hoyer. It's well established around here that I liked Hoyer... but offer me a 2nd for him and I'd help him pack.
Still feel bad for Sashi... but when Haslam hired Hue over the unanimous choice of the staff, he should have resigned then and there.
It's Dorsey's team now... for now. But he has to know that any misstep will bring Jimmah running.
So don't fuck up, John...
"When you have a shared vision it is a lot easier to make unpopular decisions." - Paul DePodesta "When you win, say nothing. When you lose, say less." - Paul Brown Complete 2017 Browns Board Mock: http://thebrownsboard.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=46196 -
Some nuggets
Hue asking why he’s being fired and then telling the.... TEAM OWNER, to “GTFO of my office” ???
Farmer turning down pick 33 for Brian Hoyer ??
Pettine was to blame for Gilbert. Haslam to blame for Johnny.
Haslam has clearly been the main problem to date. The only chance the Browns have of success is him having learned his lesson and staying away from Dorsey and Kitchens when it comes to football stuff.
I like Nathan Zagura's response best to the outdated article. Much of the panic attack is old news that the owner not only took on/accepted the blame for; but has self evaluated and attempted to learn from or that wouldn't be enthusiasm for this team everywhere but the Colin Cowherd types trying to make it off of outdated stories. Not to sound like the late Gilda Radnor but they're growing pains of a NEW NFL owner; unless anyone wants to pretend his "little itsy bitsy teeny tiny" minority ownership involved him sitting in the chair next to Rooney learning the business in Pittsburgh. New HCs get these growing pains too; especially when they take over a dumpster fire that hasn't been extinguished. It wasn't like Randy Lerner was an experienced/seasoned owner before he realized his inheritance was only burying this franchise deeper. If anyone thinks giving this franchise the CPR it needed after Lerner was going to be easy for the next brand new owner - I have some real estate for sale in Alligator Alley...
LB, I think where you and me tend to disconnect occasionally isn't in your passion for this team. You're a diehard and I like that. It's your timing of complaints. The first time I jumped all over you was the day after you started a thread complaining about a RB (Hyde) that ended up with 2 TDs and 98 yards rushing and a WR (Landry) that contributed 8 receptions for 103 yards in this team's first of 7 wins coming off an 0-16 season the year before.
If you didn't see tremendous progress in the direction of this team in 2018 - it's because you didn't want to. Obviously, there's still a lot more that needs to be done. But, this sure feels like we've taken our first big step forward which finally makes momentum seem far more conceivable. All of a sudden, we have a large core group of players that aren't dreaming about greener pastures elsewhere after their 1st season or 2 here. They're excited to be here for a refreshing change, which reflects way better about the current situation here than the meaningless Colin Cowherd wannabees are capable of. Not only that, but it's become a way better recruiting attraction for veteran FAs than it's ever been... All that being the case, the better time to panic was when Cleveland followed 1-15 with 0-16 than what many of the solutions to it have provided in the first time this franchise has only lost 8 games in over a decade. Yes, inexperience frequently leads to mistakes. The guy who wrote the article you seem to think is so wonderful here - just so happened to time it all when this team showed the type of progress reflecting a lot has been learned from previous mistakes.
People like to piss and moan about how negative the media in Cleveland likes to get at times; but fans celebrating the piece of shittt article this guy wrote only feeds their insatiable appetite to write what they think fans prefer to read. That can KILL a recruiting attraction for FA veterans here and has quite often in the past.
It wasn't like Randy Lerner was an experienced/seasoned owner before he realized his inheritance was only burying this franchise deeper.
At least he knew enough not to meddle.
Back when people wanted Lerner to sell the team I was like, It's the devil that you know vs the one you don't know. But people wanted an owner that would be more 'involved' with the team. Someone who cares more for the Browns than soccer. Meanwhile Lerner never held back any financial needs the team had, he just didn't hire the right guy(s). And for THAT sin he's got plenty of company.
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Finally got around to reading the article... and had mixed reactions galore.
Just about was feeling sorry for Farmer when it was mentioned he turned down an R2 pick for Hoyer. It's well established around here that I liked Hoyer... but offer me a 2nd for him and I'd help him pack.
Still feel bad for Sashi... but when Haslam hired Hue over the unanimous choice of the staff, he should have resigned then and there.
It's Dorsey's team now... for now. But he has to know that any misstep will bring Jimmah running.
So don't fuck up, John...
Finally got around to reading the article... and had mixed reactions galore.
Just about was feeling sorry for Farmer when it was mentioned he turned down an R2 pick for Hoyer. It's well established around here that I liked Hoyer... but offer me a 2nd for him and I'd help him pack.
Still feel bad for Sashi... but when Haslam hired Hue over the unanimous choice of the staff, he should have resigned then and there.
It's Dorsey's team now... for now. But he has to know that any misstep will bring Jimmah running.
So don't fuck up, John...
You meant "sell the team" regarding Hue...
We can only pray Jimmuh has learned form his mistakes.. What did Shottenheimer say back in the '80s? There's a gleam guys- go get the gleam....
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