Barkley beats Mayfield for Offensive Rookie of the Year
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Its all bs..we know it...the fans know it. Its all about the money. Ny has it...cleveland doesnt. Just like the rams are going to win the superbowl because the nfl wants that LA money.
Saquon was definately in the conversation...but he even has to honestly know he finished second in the fans eyes.
Its all bs..we know it...the fans know it. Its all about the money. Ny has it...cleveland doesnt. Just like the rams are going to win the superbowl because the nfl wants that LA money.
Saquon was definately in the conversation...but he even has to honestly know he finished second in the fans eyes.
For me.. It just doesnt add up.. 5 wins does NOT equal 7.. Secondly the TD ratio is not even comparable.. its a farce is what it is.. Asshole reporters..
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Trying to be objective and not a homer
Barkley was one of the 3 best RB's in the NFL this year, Barkley had over 2000 yards from scrim, 15 TD's and 90+ receptions, 2nd in the league in rushing, 3rd in rec for RB's
Baker was what the 22nd best QB in the league via Total QBR, 24th in completion %, 17th in yards, 11th in TD's, 5th most in INT's, 11th in YPA, 18th in rating
So although he was our mvp...he probably wasnt the tru rookie of the year.
Eyes opened ?
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Trying to be objective and not a homer
Barkley was one of the 3 best RB's in the NFL this year, Barkley had over 2000 yards from scrim, 15 TD's and 90+ receptions, 2nd in the league in rushing, 3rd in rec for RB's
Baker was what the 22nd best QB in the league via Total QBR, 24th in completion %, 17th in yards, 11th in TD's, 5th most in INT's, 11th in YPA, 18th in rating
So although he was our mvp...he probably wasnt the tru rookie of the year.
Eyes opened ?
Trying to be objective and not a homer
Barkley was one of the 3 best RB's in the NFL this year, Barkley had over 2000 yards from scrim, 15 TD's and 90+ receptions, 2nd in the league in rushing, 3rd in rec for RB's
Baker was what the 22nd best QB in the league via Total QBR, 24th in completion %, 17th in yards, 11th in TD's, 5th most in INT's, 11th in YPA, 18th in rating
So although he was our mvp...he probably wasnt the tru rookie of the year.
Eyes opened ?
Baloney!
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Trying to be objective and not a homer
Barkley was one of the 3 best RB's in the NFL this year, Barkley had over 2000 yards from scrim, 15 TD's and 90+ receptions, 2nd in the league in rushing, 3rd in rec for RB's
Baker was what the 22nd best QB in the league via Total QBR, 24th in completion %, 17th in yards, 11th in TD's, 5th most in INT's, 11th in YPA, 18th in rating
So although he was our mvp...he probably wasnt the tru rookie of the year.
Eyes opened ?
Trying to be objective and not a homer
Barkley was one of the 3 best RB's in the NFL this year, Barkley had over 2000 yards from scrim, 15 TD's and 90+ receptions, 2nd in the league in rushing, 3rd in rec for RB's
Baker was what the 22nd best QB in the league via Total QBR, 24th in completion %, 17th in yards, 11th in TD's, 5th most in INT's, 11th in YPA, 18th in rating
So although he was our mvp...he probably wasnt the tru rookie of the year.
Eyes opened ?
Barkley got to play in all 16 games, I think Baker accomplished more in less time.
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Trying to be objective and not a homer
Barkley was one of the 3 best RB's in the NFL this year, Barkley had over 2000 yards from scrim, 15 TD's and 90+ receptions, 2nd in the league in rushing, 3rd in rec for RB's
Baker was what the 22nd best QB in the league via Total QBR, 24th in completion %, 17th in yards, 11th in TD's, 5th most in INT's, 11th in YPA, 18th in rating
So although he was our mvp...he probably wasnt the tru rookie of the year.
Eyes opened ?
Trying to be objective and not a homer
Barkley was one of the 3 best RB's in the NFL this year, Barkley had over 2000 yards from scrim, 15 TD's and 90+ receptions, 2nd in the league in rushing, 3rd in rec for RB's
Baker was what the 22nd best QB in the league via Total QBR, 24th in completion %, 17th in yards, 11th in TD's, 5th most in INT's, 11th in YPA, 18th in rating
So although he was our mvp...he probably wasnt the tru rookie of the year.
Eyes opened ?
How dare you use logic and reason to make your point....
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I think Baker should have won. That being said, Saquon had a brilliant season, won ROY, & is to be congratulated, but Baker is the MVP of all these rookies & it's not even close.
We have the best!
Mike
I think Baker should have won. That being said, Saquon had a brilliant season, won ROY, & is to be congratulated, but Baker is the MVP of all these rookies & it's not even close.
We have the best!
Mike
Great points Mike! Both franchises got great players that made them very happy. That said, only 1 of the franchises still needs a QB in order to get out of park - and it's not Cleveland (even though this should NOT be the main criteria for ROTY). This is the first year I remembered Andrew Luck getting reasonable protection in the pocket, which produced 39 TD passes to just 15 INTs instead of the bumps and bruises of a crash test dummy. Much of that was from the arrival of rookie OG Quenton Nelson who also helped their running game inside and outside. Without glamour stats pleading his case, he didn't stand much of a chance to win. My reason for bringing him up is that nothing can change the profound impact of him or Baker on their offense in spite of not winning the award. FWIW, if you go take a look at what Chubb's rushing stats were projecting with his 5.2 ypc if he started all 16 games - it betters Barkley's rushing yardage like I clearly predicted in Dutch's 18 questions thread. Barkley finished with 1307 rush yards with 69 more carries than Chubb (69 x Chubb's 5.2 ypc = 358.80 yards). Adding that 358.80 yards to Chubb's 996 rushing yards brings him up to 1354.80 yards. He also had 11 carries over 20 yards which projected well for him if he started all 16 games. And that doesn't suck...
Understanding this team was winless after 2 games and behind in the 2nd quarter in week 3 (after 0-16 in 2017) - the CPR this franchise so desperately needed was given by Baker Mayfield. He came in and threw more TD passes (27) as a rookie in just 13 starts than any other QB in NFL history inclusive of former NFL Rookie of the Year - Peyton Manning (who threw 26 TD passes and 28 INTs). Manning had 2 HOF players in his first huddle (Marshall Faulk and Marvin Harrison) aside from himself. Baker also threw less INTs (14) and won more games than Manning for whatever it's worth. That's pretty freakin cool! And if we look as recently as last year - both conferences crowned a ROTY on both sides of the ball (that could easily have Baker's name on 1 of them). Have they announced these Conference award recipients yet? Once they acknowledge and announce what should be a foregone conclusion in the AFC - I think it would take away some of the sting people are feeling from yesterday.
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Thanks. Welcome & you're off to a good start!
Mike
Thanks...Go Browns!
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Trying to be objective and not a homer
Barkley was one of the 3 best RB's in the NFL this year, Barkley had over 2000 yards from scrim, 15 TD's and 90+ receptions, 2nd in the league in rushing, 3rd in rec for RB's
Baker was what the 22nd best QB in the league via Total QBR, 24th in completion %, 17th in yards, 11th in TD's, 5th most in INT's, 11th in YPA, 18th in rating
So although he was our mvp...he probably wasnt the tru rookie of the year.
Eyes opened ?
Trying to be objective and not a homer
Barkley was one of the 3 best RB's in the NFL this year, Barkley had over 2000 yards from scrim, 15 TD's and 90+ receptions, 2nd in the league in rushing, 3rd in rec for RB's
Baker was what the 22nd best QB in the league via Total QBR, 24th in completion %, 17th in yards, 11th in TD's, 5th most in INT's, 11th in YPA, 18th in rating
So although he was our mvp...he probably wasnt the tru rookie of the year.
Eyes opened ?
Barkley had a sensational rookie season, but for a Quarterback to perform that well as a rookie is virtually unheard of.
He had one of the greatest rookie seasons of a QB in all time, threw more TD passes then any rookie QB ever in 13 starts.
He took a winless team to the cusp of playoff contention, even with his first coach being fired at midseason.
That type of performance from the most important position on the field was more impressive than Barkley's terrific running back season IMO.
He came off the bench for a team that hadn't won a game in 19 straight contests and won 7 games and tossed 28 TDs. Cmon!
Z
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Trying to be objective and not a homer
Barkley was one of the 3 best RB's in the NFL this year, Barkley had over 2000 yards from scrim, 15 TD's and 90+ receptions, 2nd in the league in rushing, 3rd in rec for RB's
Baker was what the 22nd best QB in the league via Total QBR, 24th in completion %, 17th in yards, 11th in TD's, 5th most in INT's, 11th in YPA, 18th in rating
So although he was our mvp...he probably wasnt the tru rookie of the year.
Eyes opened ?
Trying to be objective and not a homer
Barkley was one of the 3 best RB's in the NFL this year, Barkley had over 2000 yards from scrim, 15 TD's and 90+ receptions, 2nd in the league in rushing, 3rd in rec for RB's
Baker was what the 22nd best QB in the league via Total QBR, 24th in completion %, 17th in yards, 11th in TD's, 5th most in INT's, 11th in YPA, 18th in rating
So although he was our mvp...he probably wasnt the tru rookie of the year.
Eyes opened ?
I have a much different take. Barkley was awarded 1 rookie of the week. Mayfield was awarded 7! Honeslty one shouldnt have to make argument beyond that. That said Barkley was ONE OF THREE rookie RB in history with over 2000 yards total offense. Mayfield is THE ONLY rookie QB in history to throw 27 TD’s and he did it in 14 games beating out full seasons of Peyton and Wilson. The voting shouldn’t have been close, should have been a Baker landslide.
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At first I was a bit angry at this one but Barkley did have very good numbers.
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Honestly a part of me is glad he didn't win. You know hes gonna come for blood because of the snub.
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Trying to be objective and not a homer
Barkley was one of the 3 best RB's in the NFL this year, Barkley had over 2000 yards from scrim, 15 TD's and 90+ receptions, 2nd in the league in rushing, 3rd in rec for RB's
Baker was what the 22nd best QB in the league via Total QBR, 24th in completion %, 17th in yards, 11th in TD's, 5th most in INT's, 11th in YPA, 18th in rating
So although he was our mvp...he probably wasnt the tru rookie of the year.
Eyes opened ?
I have a much different take. Barkley was awarded 1 rookie of the week. Mayfield was awarded 7! Honeslty one shouldnt have to make argument beyond that. That said Barkley was ONE OF THREE rookie RB in history with over 2000 yards total offense. Mayfield is THE ONLY rookie QB in history to throw 27 TD’s and he did it in 14 games beating out full seasons of Peyton and Wilson. The voting shouldn’t have been close, should have been a Baker landslide.
I have a much different take. Barkley was awarded 1 rookie of the week. Mayfield was awarded 7! Honeslty one shouldnt have to make argument beyond that. That said Barkley was ONE OF THREE rookie RB in history with over 2000 yards total offense. Mayfield is THE ONLY rookie QB in history to throw 27 TD’s and he did it in 14 games beating out full seasons of Peyton and Wilson. The voting shouldn’t have been close, should have been a Baker landslide.
Hell I am not sure that I would trade Nick Chubb for Saquon Barkley. If you took their pro Rata share of production chub may be just as good given the amount of time each of them saw.
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43.5 < 83.7.
WSS
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While it's obvious that Baker will be far more valuable to his team vs Barkley will ever be...
Barkley was one of the 3 best RBs this year. Baker, while he was the best rookie QB, was not even a top 8 QB this year. I would say its fair to say that Barkley had a better rookie campaign. Now had Baker played and started all 16 games, this may have been Baker by a landslide.
And for those saying that Chubb was the better RB...lol c'mon. That Giants OL is just embarassing. Give credit where it's due: Barkley is a generational talent at his position. And from the looks of it, so is Baker.
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While it's obvious that Baker will be far more valuable to his team vs Barkley will ever be...
Barkley was one of the 3 best RBs this year. Baker, while he was the best rookie QB, was not even a top 8 QB this year. I would say its fair to say that Barkley had a better rookie campaign. Now had Baker played and started all 16 games, this may have been Baker by a landslide.
And for those saying that Chubb was the better RB...lol c'mon. That Giants OL is just embarassing. Give credit where it's due: Barkley is a generational talent at his position. And from the looks of it, so is Baker.
While it's obvious that Baker will be far more valuable to his team vs Barkley will ever be...
Barkley was one of the 3 best RBs this year. Baker, while he was the best rookie QB, was not even a top 8 QB this year. I would say its fair to say that Barkley had a better rookie campaign. Now had Baker played and started all 16 games, this may have been Baker by a landslide.
And for those saying that Chubb was the better RB...lol c'mon. That Giants OL is just embarassing. Give credit where it's due: Barkley is a generational talent at his position. And from the looks of it, so is Baker.
Barkley IS amazing - speedwise, especially - but Nick Chubb is close to that in effectiveness - what Chubb accomplished after not started some games early on - is amazing. Wasn't it about the 7th game, that he got to start?
Barkley didn't have to play the ratbirds and squaler defenses twice, the Browns offense struggled until dead weight Hue got booted, and only then did it take off. Not bad for a second round pick, after getting Baker and Ward in the first round.
I could be wrong, but Barkley's longest run from los was 68 yards, and he was caught. Obviously, Nick Chubb's longest was 92 yards, and he was not caught, went for a TD.
Nick Chubb leads all rookies in yards after contact per carry. pic.twitter.com/WDTR2lCX28
— Pro Football Focus (@PFF) December 8, 2018Sure, Barkley is a generational talent, but the cost-effectiveness of getting a rb that had some better stats, etc...
is priceless. Nick Chubb is also the real deal.
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While it's obvious that Baker will be far more valuable to his team vs Barkley will ever be...
Barkley was one of the 3 best RBs this year. Baker, while he was the best rookie QB, was not even a top 8 QB this year. I would say its fair to say that Barkley had a better rookie campaign. Now had Baker played and started all 16 games, this may have been Baker by a landslide.
And for those saying that Chubb was the better RB...lol c'mon. That Giants OL is just embarassing. Give credit where it's due: Barkley is a generational talent at his position. And from the looks of it, so is Baker.
Barkley IS amazing - speedwise, especially - but Nick Chubb is close to that in effectiveness - what Chubb accomplished after not started some games early on - is amazing. Wasn't it about the 7th game, that he got to start?
Barkley didn't have to play the ratbirds and squaler defenses twice, the Browns offense struggled until dead weight Hue got booted, and only then did it take off. Not bad for a second round pick, after getting Baker and Ward in the first round.
I could be wrong, but Barkley's longest run from los was 68 yards, and he was caught. Obviously, Nick Chubb's longest was 92 yards, and he was not caught, went for a TD.
Nick Chubb leads all rookies in yards after contact per carry. pic.twitter.com/WDTR2lCX28
— Pro Football Focus (@PFF) December 8, 2018Sure, Barkley is a generational talent, but the cost-effectiveness of getting a rb that had some better stats, etc...
is priceless. Nick Chubb is also the real deal.
Barkley IS amazing - speedwise, especially - but Nick Chubb is close to that in effectiveness - what Chubb accomplished after not started some games early on - is amazing. Wasn't it about the 7th game, that he got to start?
Barkley didn't have to play the ratbirds and squaler defenses twice, the Browns offense struggled until dead weight Hue got booted, and only then did it take off. Not bad for a second round pick, after getting Baker and Ward in the first round.
I could be wrong, but Barkley's longest run from los was 68 yards, and he was caught. Obviously, Nick Chubb's longest was 92 yards, and he was not caught, went for a TD.
Nick Chubb leads all rookies in yards after contact per carry. pic.twitter.com/WDTR2lCX28
— Pro Football Focus (@PFF) December 8, 2018Sure, Barkley is a generational talent, but the cost-effectiveness of getting a rb that had some better stats, etc...
is priceless. Nick Chubb is also the real deal.
Not disputing that, I think Chubb will end up having a great career. But look at the offensive pieces (particularly QB and OL) both running backs had. Barkley with Baker and this very underrated OL would have put up, imo, better stats.
Not a complaint from me though, I'd take Denzel Ward (although his injuries are starting to become a concern for me given his frame) and Chubb together over Barkley.
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While it's obvious that Baker will be far more valuable to his team vs Barkley will ever be...
Barkley was one of the 3 best RBs this year. Baker, while he was the best rookie QB, was not even a top 8 QB this year. I would say its fair to say that Barkley had a better rookie campaign. Now had Baker played and started all 16 games, this may have been Baker by a landslide.
And for those saying that Chubb was the better RB...lol c'mon. That Giants OL is just embarassing. Give credit where it's due: Barkley is a generational talent at his position. And from the looks of it, so is Baker.
Barkley IS amazing - speedwise, especially - but Nick Chubb is close to that in effectiveness - what Chubb accomplished after not started some games early on - is amazing. Wasn't it about the 7th game, that he got to start?
Barkley didn't have to play the ratbirds and squaler defenses twice, the Browns offense struggled until dead weight Hue got booted, and only then did it take off. Not bad for a second round pick, after getting Baker and Ward in the first round.
I could be wrong, but Barkley's longest run from los was 68 yards, and he was caught. Obviously, Nick Chubb's longest was 92 yards, and he was not caught, went for a TD.
Nick Chubb leads all rookies in yards after contact per carry. pic.twitter.com/WDTR2lCX28
— Pro Football Focus (@PFF) December 8, 2018Sure, Barkley is a generational talent, but the cost-effectiveness of getting a rb that had some better stats, etc...
is priceless. Nick Chubb is also the real deal.
Barkley IS amazing - speedwise, especially - but Nick Chubb is close to that in effectiveness - what Chubb accomplished after not started some games early on - is amazing. Wasn't it about the 7th game, that he got to start?
Barkley didn't have to play the ratbirds and squaler defenses twice, the Browns offense struggled until dead weight Hue got booted, and only then did it take off. Not bad for a second round pick, after getting Baker and Ward in the first round.
I could be wrong, but Barkley's longest run from los was 68 yards, and he was caught. Obviously, Nick Chubb's longest was 92 yards, and he was not caught, went for a TD.
Nick Chubb leads all rookies in yards after contact per carry. pic.twitter.com/WDTR2lCX28
— Pro Football Focus (@PFF) December 8, 2018Sure, Barkley is a generational talent, but the cost-effectiveness of getting a rb that had some better stats, etc...
is priceless. Nick Chubb is also the real deal.
I posted elsewhere each players stats. As far as rushing, Chubb was just as good or better than Barkley. Barkley did have a big edge when it came to his being used in the passing game.
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