You know what's really going to suck???
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Good convo...
For the record... and I know this was not abundantly clear in my OP, but...
- I wasn't talking about 2019, but rather the next few years.
- I was looking for battle of Titans, not mere equals... the kind of battling where the regular season winner's biggest playoff obstacle is a rematch in the playoffs that is either the rubber match or that hardest of tasks, beating a team three times in the same league year.
That said I agree with the comments on the Bengals rebuilding, but that takes time. Add that the talent they have hasn't gotten them anywhere since it has been around and that their shortcomings (OL and back 7) are quite short and they aren't in my time frame.
The Raven's? While still formidable their D is getting long in the tooth. Future HOFer Suggs is near the end and he will leave a massive leadership hole. Ditto Weddle who is 34. While they do have talent as well their future hangs upon Jackson's health... and he can't play in the manner that makes him valuable year after year.
And then there's the Steelers...
I am well aware of the dangers of underestimating them, thus my comment about them replacing AB after replacing Bell, but that success took them all the way to 9-6-1 in 2018. While that was vastly better than I thought they'd do, it's hardly the record of a dominant team. It's not all that long ago that they were a .500 team... back-to-back 8-8 records in 2012 and '13 missing the playoffs both years... just as they did last year. And in 2013 Bell and Brown emerged...
Both are gone now, and both may be replaced with little drop off, but again there's Ben... and the last time they lost their franchise QB it took them 21 years to lend on their next one. yes, they had good years in that stretch even going to the SB once, but they had a great D during a good chunk of those 21... and they have a hole in the middle of a very good D today.
Us? I'm optimistic... we still have things to learn as a team, but it's not hard to see we are on the proverbial verge. It's not a given as we have a rookie HC and lack depth in general so a key this yearinjury or three and we will be a 2019 afterthought. But we are going to be very competitive starting... strike that... we began being very competitive mid-2018 and I see that continuing.
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Matt Stafford constantly throws for eleventy billion yards and has nothing to show for it. To be very honest if I were a steeler fan that'd be a concerning stat line for me.
I'm not going to ever rule out the Squeelers, but even an unbiased fan can see this is the first time in a decade there were just cracks in the armor. Very head scratching losses in "make or break" part of the season. The two guys leaving actually isn't something I'm going to overreact to, but it's not like those guys were bums either.
Lol, the steelers have been losing to bad teams for over 20 years. Check our record against the Raiders and the Broncos for that matter. We also had two games 100% get effected by the refs. The chargers and the saints game and I say that knowing full well it happens to other teams too. The Steelers still shouldn't have lost to the Raiders or the Broncos.
Lol, the steelers have been losing to bad teams for over 20 years. Check our record against the Raiders and the Broncos for that matter. We also had two games 100% get effected by the refs. The chargers and the saints game and I say that knowing full well it happens to other teams too. The Steelers still shouldn't have lost to the Raiders or the Broncos.
Yeah, and I can say the Browns were a lousy kicker and two crappy ref calls (Raiders and Tampa) from being 11-5....
Lamar Jackson aint so hot and you boys still lost with Mayfield under center. We didn't miss bell and his status is still up in the air. He's very likely going to get transition tagged. We will draft another receiver and Washington will be over the rookie jitters. Trading brown if that happens will provide additional draft capital.
Transitioning Bell will get you nowhere, and you know it. (other than up the animosity level another notch)... https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/11/13/18000364/steelers-leveon-bell-transition-tag-nfl-free-agency-2019 he doesn't want to be in Pittsburg, and with Connor, you're not going to match.... Adios...
Sure, a case can be made with what Dallas gave to get Amari Cooper, you might get a first round pick for a 30 y\o WR headcase. But I wouldn't count on it... With Ben, Ju-Ju, and Connor, there's still some offensive talent.
Regarding the Ravens- unless Jackson learns he's not a running back, the Ravens defense is going to keep them in games. And unloading Flacco gives them cap room to resign some of their defensive players who are in line for big raises...
Bengals are gonna be the Bengals... We'll see if their return to the cellar was mainly due to being the most injured team in the league last year...
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HGharrison
No, he don't count....he was over the hill long before. I am talking about a recent departure along the order of Bell/Brown. To me, that major loss was OL coach Munchak....but is there another player in that category? (lets not count the injured Shazier...a major loss, but not a "force out")
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Good convo...
For the record... and I know this was not abundantly clear in my OP, but...
- I wasn't talking about 2019, but rather the next few years.
- I was looking for battle of Titans, not mere equals... the kind of battling where the regular season winner's biggest playoff obstacle is a rematch in the playoffs that is either the rubber match or that hardest of tasks, beating a team three times in the same league year.
That said I agree with the comments on the Bengals rebuilding, but that takes time. Add that the talent they have hasn't gotten them anywhere since it has been around and that their shortcomings (OL and back 7) are quite short and they aren't in my time frame.
The Raven's? While still formidable their D is getting long in the tooth. Future HOFer Suggs is near the end and he will leave a massive leadership hole. Ditto Weddle who is 34. While they do have talent as well their future hangs upon Jackson's health... and he can't play in the manner that makes him valuable year after year.
And then there's the Steelers...
I am well aware of the dangers of underestimating them, thus my comment about them replacing AB after replacing Bell, but that success took them all the way to 9-6-1 in 2018. While that was vastly better than I thought they'd do, it's hardly the record of a dominant team. It's not all that long ago that they were a .500 team... back-to-back 8-8 records in 2012 and '13 missing the playoffs both years... just as they did last year. And in 2013 Bell and Brown emerged...
Both are gone now, and both may be replaced with little drop off, but again there's Ben... and the last time they lost their franchise QB it took them 21 years to lend on their next one. yes, they had good years in that stretch even going to the SB once, but they had a great D during a good chunk of those 21... and they have a hole in the middle of a very good D today.
Us? I'm optimistic... we still have things to learn as a team, but it's not hard to see we are on the proverbial verge. It's not a given as we have a rookie HC and lack depth in general so a key this yearinjury or three and we will be a 2019 afterthought. But we are going to be very competitive starting... strike that... we began being very competitive mid-2018 and I see that continuing.
Good convo...
Us? I'm optimistic... we still have things to learn as a team, but it's not hard to see we are on the proverbial verge. It's not a given as we have a rookie HC and lack depth in general so a key this yearinjury or three and we will be a 2019 afterthought. But we are going to be very competitive starting... strike that... we began being very competitive mid-2018 and I see that continuing.
If, and a big IF Dorsey can repeat this off season what he did in 2018, the rest of the AFC NOrth had better be worried...
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HGharrison
Guy is at the end of the line.. will be 41 in May....
Not gonna be missed, outside of Pittsburgh. Almost single handedly responsible for the NFL instituting the helmet to helmet and leading with the helmet penalties...
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Lol, the steelers have been losing to bad teams for over 20 years. Check our record against the Raiders and the Broncos for that matter. We also had two games 100% get effected by the refs. The chargers and the saints game and I say that knowing full well it happens to other teams too. The Steelers still shouldn't have lost to the Raiders or the Broncos.
Yeah, and I can say the Browns were a lousy kicker and two crappy ref calls (Raiders and Tampa) from being 11-5....
Lamar Jackson aint so hot and you boys still lost with Mayfield under center. We didn't miss bell and his status is still up in the air. He's very likely going to get transition tagged. We will draft another receiver and Washington will be over the rookie jitters. Trading brown if that happens will provide additional draft capital.
Transitioning Bell will get you nowhere, and you know it. (other than up the animosity level another notch)... https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/11/13/18000364/steelers-leveon-bell-transition-tag-nfl-free-agency-2019 he doesn't want to be in Pittsburg, and with Connor, you're not going to match.... Adios...
Sure, a case can be made with what Dallas gave to get Amari Cooper, you might get a first round pick for a 30 y\o WR headcase. But I wouldn't count on it... With Ben, Ju-Ju, and Connor, there's still some offensive talent.
Regarding the Ravens- unless Jackson learns he's not a running back, the Ravens defense is going to keep them in games. And unloading Flacco gives them cap room to resign some of their defensive players who are in line for big raises...
Bengals are gonna be the Bengals... We'll see if their return to the cellar was mainly due to being the most injured team in the league last year...
Yeah, and I can say the Browns were a lousy kicker and two crappy ref calls (Raiders and Tampa) from being 11-5....
Transitioning Bell will get you nowhere, and you know it. (other than up the animosity level another notch)... https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/11/13/18000364/steelers-leveon-bell-transition-tag-nfl-free-agency-2019 he doesn't want to be in Pittsburg, and with Connor, you're not going to match.... Adios...
Sure, a case can be made with what Dallas gave to get Amari Cooper, you might get a first round pick for a 30 y\o WR headcase. But I wouldn't count on it... With Ben, Ju-Ju, and Connor, there's still some offensive talent.
Regarding the Ravens- unless Jackson learns he's not a running back, the Ravens defense is going to keep them in games. And unloading Flacco gives them cap room to resign some of their defensive players who are in line for big raises...
Bengals are gonna be the Bengals... We'll see if their return to the cellar was mainly due to being the most injured team in the league last year...
The transition tag could net additional draft picks. The Steelers have the cap room to match. All I'm saying on that front is I've read they are discussing the transiton tag.
As far as brown is concerned he isn't Amari Cooper. He's arguably the best receiver in the league and a work out beast. He's always in tremendous shape and doesn't miss games as a direct result. He's on a cap friendly deal considering his production as well which is why he's saying he wants a new deal if he's moved. The team trading him will have prime time ab for at least another three seasons based on his work ethic alone. Further more the team doesn't have to trade his goofy ass at all.
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Yeah, and I can say the Browns were a lousy kicker and two crappy ref calls (Raiders and Tampa) from being 11-5....
Transitioning Bell will get you nowhere, and you know it. (other than up the animosity level another notch)... https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/11/13/18000364/steelers-leveon-bell-transition-tag-nfl-free-agency-2019 he doesn't want to be in Pittsburg, and with Connor, you're not going to match.... Adios...
Sure, a case can be made with what Dallas gave to get Amari Cooper, you might get a first round pick for a 30 y\o WR headcase. But I wouldn't count on it... With Ben, Ju-Ju, and Connor, there's still some offensive talent.
Regarding the Ravens- unless Jackson learns he's not a running back, the Ravens defense is going to keep them in games. And unloading Flacco gives them cap room to resign some of their defensive players who are in line for big raises...
Bengals are gonna be the Bengals... We'll see if their return to the cellar was mainly due to being the most injured team in the league last year...
The transition tag could net additional draft picks. The Steelers have the cap room to match. All I'm saying on that front is I've read they are discussing the transiton tag.
As far as brown is concerned he isn't Amari Cooper. He's arguably the best receiver in the league and a work out beast. He's always in tremendous shape and doesn't miss games as a direct result. He's on a cap friendly deal considering his production as well which is why he's saying he wants a new deal if he's moved. The team trading him will have prime time ab for at least another three seasons based on his work ethic alone. Further more the team doesn't have to trade his goofy ass at all.
The transition tag could net additional draft picks. The Steelers have the cap room to match. All I'm saying on that front is I've read they are discussing the transiton tag.
As far as brown is concerned he isn't Amari Cooper. He's arguably the best receiver in the league and a work out beast. He's always in tremendous shape and doesn't miss games as a direct result. He's on a cap friendly deal considering his production as well which is why he's saying he wants a new deal if he's moved. The team trading him will have prime time ab for at least another three seasons based on his work ethic alone. Further more the team doesn't have to trade his goofy ass at all.
Yeah, a team is going to want Bell and his massive salary demand so much- they're going to give you a fourth round pick for him.. Maybe... Should you transition him, the bidding is going to start with salary, and no draft picks...
And if Brown pulls a Bell on you and sits out? Like he did the last game of the season?
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The transition tag could net additional draft picks. The Steelers have the cap room to match. All I'm saying on that front is I've read they are discussing the transiton tag.
As far as brown is concerned he isn't Amari Cooper. He's arguably the best receiver in the league and a work out beast. He's always in tremendous shape and doesn't miss games as a direct result. He's on a cap friendly deal considering his production as well which is why he's saying he wants a new deal if he's moved. The team trading him will have prime time ab for at least another three seasons based on his work ethic alone. Further more the team doesn't have to trade his goofy ass at all.
Yeah, a team is going to want Bell and his massive salary demand so much- they're going to give you a fourth round pick for him.. Maybe... Should you transition him, the bidding is going to start with salary, and no draft picks...
And if Brown pulls a Bell on you and sits out? Like he did the last game of the season?
Yeah, a team is going to want Bell and his massive salary demand so much- they're going to give you a fourth round pick for him.. Maybe... Should you transition him, the bidding is going to start with salary, and no draft picks...
And if Brown pulls a Bell on you and sits out? Like he did the last game of the season?
The transition tag gives the steelers leverage and the ability to potentially trade bell. If it jets a 4th it's still a 4th they didn't have before.
Brown is under contract for two or three more seasons. The situation is completely different than bell.
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Matt Stafford constantly throws for eleventy billion yards and has nothing to show for it. To be very honest if I were a steeler fan that'd be a concerning stat line for me.
I'm not going to ever rule out the Squeelers, but even an unbiased fan can see this is the first time in a decade there were just cracks in the armor. Very head scratching losses in "make or break" part of the season. The two guys leaving actually isn't something I'm going to overreact to, but it's not like those guys were bums either.
Lol, the steelers have been losing to bad teams for over 20 years. Check our record against the Raiders and the Broncos for that matter. We also had two games 100% get effected by the refs. The chargers and the saints game and I say that knowing full well it happens to other teams too. The Steelers still shouldn't have lost to the Raiders or the Broncos.
Lol, the steelers have been losing to bad teams for over 20 years. Check our record against the Raiders and the Broncos for that matter. We also had two games 100% get effected by the refs. The chargers and the saints game and I say that knowing full well it happens to other teams too. The Steelers still shouldn't have lost to the Raiders or the Broncos.
As I clearly noted, it's not about losing to a bad team it's about the "when" the losing occurred. The Steelers were rolling and lost to bottom barrel teams, with the Oakland game being a pretty significant "must win". That's just not something the Steelers have done in their current run of success-they always get those types of games. On top of that barely eeking out a week 17 win against a depleted bungler team in a true "win or we're out" showed cracks not shown before.
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Lol, the steelers have been losing to bad teams for over 20 years. Check our record against the Raiders and the Broncos for that matter. We also had two games 100% get effected by the refs. The chargers and the saints game and I say that knowing full well it happens to other teams too. The Steelers still shouldn't have lost to the Raiders or the Broncos.
As I clearly noted, it's not about losing to a bad team it's about the "when" the losing occurred. The Steelers were rolling and lost to bottom barrel teams, with the Oakland game being a pretty significant "must win". That's just not something the Steelers have done in their current run of success-they always get those types of games. On top of that barely eeking out a week 17 win against a depleted bungler team in a true "win or we're out" showed cracks not shown before.
As I clearly noted, it's not about losing to a bad team it's about the "when" the losing occurred. The Steelers were rolling and lost to bottom barrel teams, with the Oakland game being a pretty significant "must win". That's just not something the Steelers have done in their current run of success-they always get those types of games. On top of that barely eeking out a week 17 win against a depleted bungler team in a true "win or we're out" showed cracks not shown before.
Look at their record in the last 20 years against the Raiders and no they don't always grt those games. The Steelers lose to bad teams a lot, far more than they should.
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Lamar Jackson aint so hot
Remains to be seen, hopefully you are right.
and you boys still lost with Mayfield under center.
But we won a lot more than we had before he got here. And we expect to win a LOT more with him from here on out.
We didn't miss bell and his status is still up in the air. He's very likely going to get transition tagged.
Yes, you did miss him. Not having him can be considered a primary reason why the Steelers missed the playoffs. Conner played well....but nothing near as well as Bell played. And while his personal status may still be up in the air....one aspect of that status is decided: he ain't playing for the Steelers.
We will draft another receiver and Washington will be over the rookie jitters. Trading brown if that happens will provide additional draft capital.
Neither Washington, nor anyone else you draft will turn out to be as good as Brown. I would be more than willing to make a wager on that.
Do you ever not talk directly out of your damn ass or is this just your m.o all the time? I know the answer to that but you apparently don't realize it. Juju has already broken nfl records. He's a different type of receiver but God damn gipper you either don't pay attention or are perpetually fully of shit. Which is it?
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Yeah, and I can say the Browns were a lousy kicker and two crappy ref calls (Raiders and Tampa) from being 11-5....
Transitioning Bell will get you nowhere, and you know it. (other than up the animosity level another notch)... https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/11/13/18000364/steelers-leveon-bell-transition-tag-nfl-free-agency-2019 he doesn't want to be in Pittsburg, and with Connor, you're not going to match.... Adios...
Sure, a case can be made with what Dallas gave to get Amari Cooper, you might get a first round pick for a 30 y\o WR headcase. But I wouldn't count on it... With Ben, Ju-Ju, and Connor, there's still some offensive talent.
Regarding the Ravens- unless Jackson learns he's not a running back, the Ravens defense is going to keep them in games. And unloading Flacco gives them cap room to resign some of their defensive players who are in line for big raises...
Bengals are gonna be the Bengals... We'll see if their return to the cellar was mainly due to being the most injured team in the league last year...
The transition tag could net additional draft picks. The Steelers have the cap room to match. All I'm saying on that front is I've read they are discussing the transiton tag.
As far as brown is concerned he isn't Amari Cooper. He's arguably the best receiver in the league and a work out beast. He's always in tremendous shape and doesn't miss games as a direct result. He's on a cap friendly deal considering his production as well which is why he's saying he wants a new deal if he's moved. The team trading him will have prime time ab for at least another three seasons based on his work ethic alone. Further more the team doesn't have to trade his goofy ass at all.
The transition tag could net additional draft picks. The Steelers have the cap room to match. All I'm saying on that front is I've read they are discussing the transiton tag.
For who? Bell...or Brown? I mean, I guess they should do what they can that would be most prudent to acquire something in return. (this goes for both of these guys)
As far as brown is concerned he isn't Amari Cooper. He's arguably the best receiver in the league and a work out beast. He's always in tremendous shape and doesn't miss games as a direct result. He's on a cap friendly deal considering his production as well which is why he's saying he wants a new deal if he's moved. The team trading him will have prime time ab for at least another three seasons based on his work ethic alone. Further more the team doesn't have to trade his goofy ass at all.
That is all speculation. Even according to you AB was superseded by another WR on his team. You won't get what you think you want to get for him because: A. He WILL be seen as a headcase...and whoever trades for him is not going to want to pay a high price for a headcase. B.He WILL be seen as getting older....actually PAST his prime....definitely not having 3 more years of prime performance...and C. If he is seen by your team as now only the #2 option....other teams will say we will not pay a high price for a #2 WR option. Of course, what you have to fall back on is the hope that it only takes one team to be seduced by his past performance...and who will overlook his prima donna attitude.You can hope for that, but I would not count on that being the case.
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Yeah, a team is going to want Bell and his massive salary demand so much- they're going to give you a fourth round pick for him.. Maybe... Should you transition him, the bidding is going to start with salary, and no draft picks...
And if Brown pulls a Bell on you and sits out? Like he did the last game of the season?
The transition tag gives the steelers leverage and the ability to potentially trade bell. If it jets a 4th it's still a 4th they didn't have before.
Brown is under contract for two or three more seasons. The situation is completely different than bell.
The transition tag gives the steelers leverage and the ability to potentially trade bell. If it jets a 4th it's still a 4th they didn't have before.
Brown is under contract for two or three more seasons. The situation is completely different than bell.
Sure, like I said....they should get what they can and then bail out on him.
But....actually, Brown's situation may be exactly just like that of Bell. He is discontented, has demanded a trade and wants out....notwithstanding his contract status. That is pretty much what Bell did. If you net a third and a 4th for these two guys, that may be your optimum return. (unless...like I said, someone falls madly in love with them and is willing to pay more)
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The transition tag could net additional draft picks. The Steelers have the cap room to match. All I'm saying on that front is I've read they are discussing the transiton tag.
For who? Bell...or Brown? I mean, I guess they should do what they can that would be most prudent to acquire something in return. (this goes for both of these guys)
As far as brown is concerned he isn't Amari Cooper. He's arguably the best receiver in the league and a work out beast. He's always in tremendous shape and doesn't miss games as a direct result. He's on a cap friendly deal considering his production as well which is why he's saying he wants a new deal if he's moved. The team trading him will have prime time ab for at least another three seasons based on his work ethic alone. Further more the team doesn't have to trade his goofy ass at all.
That is all speculation. Even according to you AB was superseded by another WR on his team. You won't get what you think you want to get for him because: A. He WILL be seen as a headcase...and whoever trades for him is not going to want to pay a high price for a headcase. B.He WILL be seen as getting older....actually PAST his prime....definitely not having 3 more years of prime performance...and C. If he is seen by your team as now only the #2 option....other teams will say we will not pay a high price for a #2 WR option. Of course, what you have to fall back on is the hope that it only takes one team to be seduced by his past performance...and who will overlook his prima donna attitude.You can hope for that, but I would not count on that being the case.
Gipper one I never said juju was better. I said juju is already incredibly good. Brown is under contract for I believe two more seasons, maybe three (further evidence you don't pay attention or simply talk out of your ass) and has zero control. Brown is the best in the league and even with turning 31 will continue to put up big numbers because of his work ethic/fitness. He is a diva but teams deal with them all the time, especially when they are arguably the best at their position.
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The transition tag gives the steelers leverage and the ability to potentially trade bell. If it jets a 4th it's still a 4th they didn't have before.
Brown is under contract for two or three more seasons. The situation is completely different than bell.
Sure, like I said....they should get what they can and then bail out on him.
But....actually, Brown's situation may be exactly just like that of Bell. He is discontented, has demanded a trade and wants out....notwithstanding his contract status. That is pretty much what Bell did. If you net a third and a 4th for these two guys, that may be your optimum return. (unless...like I said, someone falls madly in love with them and is willing to pay more)
Sure, like I said....they should get what they can and then bail out on him.
But....actually, Brown's situation may be exactly just like that of Bell. He is discontented, has demanded a trade and wants out....notwithstanding his contract status. That is pretty much what Bell did. If you net a third and a 4th for these two guys, that may be your optimum return. (unless...like I said, someone falls madly in love with them and is willing to pay more)
Bell was on a franchise tag, brown is not. He has no control.
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Do you ever not talk directly out of your damn ass or is this just your m.o all the time? I know the answer to that but you apparently don't realize it. Juju has already broken nfl records. He's a different type of receiver but God damn gipper you either don't pay attention or are perpetually fully of shit. Which is it?
Do you ever not talk directly out of your damn ass or is this just your m.o all the time? I know the answer to that but you apparently don't realize it. Juju has already broken nfl records. He's a different type of receiver but God damn gipper you either don't pay attention or are perpetually fully of shit. Which is it?
It would help if we knew what you were responding to. This just sounds like you are a crazy person in an asylum going off on your own to talk and rant to yourself. I am not at all sure what you are talking about. As far as Smith is concerned, I think I have been complimentary of him....though I would like to know what these NFL records are that he set.
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Gipper one I never said juju was better. I said juju is already incredibly good. Brown is under contract for I believe two more seasons, maybe three (further evidence you don't pay attention or simply talk out of your ass) and has zero control. Brown is the best in the league and even with turning 31 will continue to put up big numbers because of his work ethic/fitness. He is a diva but teams deal with them all the time, especially when they are arguably the best at their position.
Gipper one I never said juju was better. I said juju is already incredibly good. Brown is under contract for I believe two more seasons, maybe three (further evidence you don't pay attention or simply talk out of your ass) and has zero control. Brown is the best in the league and even with turning 31 will continue to put up big numbers because of his work ethic/fitness. He is a diva but teams deal with them all the time, especially when they are arguably the best at their position.
OH? A. You have said all along that Jujubee had been better this past year than Brown. B. I never commented on Brown's contract situation...other than to say that he will not be with the Steelers next year...and I am only quoting what he is saying...and everyone else.
Is he the best in the league? His own teammates did not consider him to be the best on his own team. Will he put up big numbers? That remains to be seen...and it could all depend on which QB is throwing to him. Will teams deal with a diva? Sure, likely they will try. But they will NOT pay a high price for a diva. And sometimes they just get fed up and don't deal with them. Can you say Terrell Owens?
You ASSume too much boy.
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Just as we are on the verge of being very, very good if not great... the rest of the AFCN is swirling around the bowl.
- Bengals look to have made a good HC hire in Zac Taylor, but they've fallen far and Andy ain't leading 'em back.
- Raven's need a run threat so badly that they will end up getting Jackson killed and while good their D is not good enough to carry the team.
- Then there's the Steelers... they can overcome a lot... never thought they'd replace Bell's production... if AB moves on, I think they'll replace him as well... but Ben is old, as in O-L-D and there's a big old hole in the middle of their D.
I was really looking forward to some hard fought Divisional games, but that possibility is looking very flushable...
Just as we are on the verge of being very, very good if not great... the rest of the AFCN is swirling around the bowl.
- Bengals look to have made a good HC hire in Zac Taylor, but they've fallen far and Andy ain't leading 'em back.
- Raven's need a run threat so badly that they will end up getting Jackson killed and while good their D is not good enough to carry the team.
- Then there's the Steelers... they can overcome a lot... never thought they'd replace Bell's production... if AB moves on, I think they'll replace him as well... but Ben is old, as in O-L-D and there's a big old hole in the middle of their D.
I was really looking forward to some hard fought Divisional games, but that possibility is looking very flushable...
under normal circumstances I feel similar Tour, but not now. No, I think it's "great" that the Browns could be looking at an uncontested hegemony for several years. We need it. Im not predicting the North will be cream puffs, but if we can cruise at 70%, especially on Defense..during those 6 games, that's going to play HUGE for us come the December games against teams like KC and NE. I still think we're going to have to play 1st round games..im not expecting to be top 2 in the AFC for awhile, but im expecting to see teams like KC and NE in the 2nd rounds. And that's when having a "relatively" easy 6 games during the season could be "huge".
Think of what a wind fall it's been for the North to have two games a year where they can come off the line easy, not quite pro bowl easy but easy nonetheless. It's time we had that with at least one or two of the North teams. Blt im expecting to be a war tho for awhile, with that O line they got.
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Sure, like I said....they should get what they can and then bail out on him.
But....actually, Brown's situation may be exactly just like that of Bell. He is discontented, has demanded a trade and wants out....notwithstanding his contract status. That is pretty much what Bell did. If you net a third and a 4th for these two guys, that may be your optimum return. (unless...like I said, someone falls madly in love with them and is willing to pay more)
Bell was on a franchise tag, brown is not. He has no control.
Bell was on a franchise tag, brown is not. He has no control.
Obviously they both have/had some control. Bell refused to play rather than play on the franchise tag. Withholding your services. is the ultimate control. Brown has demanded a trade. He certainly also can refuse to play if a trade is not made. The 13th Amendment forbids slavery FYI. They can refuse to play. Of course, they don't get paid....but obviously sometimes they may be willing to make that sacrifice. Not sure how smart it was for Bell to have passed on 14 million bucks. But that was his choice, be it sane or insane.
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Just as we are on the verge of being very, very good if not great... the rest of the AFCN is swirling around the bowl.
- Bengals look to have made a good HC hire in Zac Taylor, but they've fallen far and Andy ain't leading 'em back.
- Raven's need a run threat so badly that they will end up getting Jackson killed and while good their D is not good enough to carry the team.
- Then there's the Steelers... they can overcome a lot... never thought they'd replace Bell's production... if AB moves on, I think they'll replace him as well... but Ben is old, as in O-L-D and there's a big old hole in the middle of their D.
I was really looking forward to some hard fought Divisional games, but that possibility is looking very flushable...
History has proven that counting out Pitt and Baltimore is very, very stupid. How many times over the last decade has Pittsburgh finally “come to the end” only to still have a .500+ record and win/almost win the division.
Dont be ignorant, I think Baker is a franchise guy, but this team only has potential. If you have watched this current version of the Indians, you know it’s a very short window and it’ll close just as quick as it opened.
History has proven that counting out Pitt and Baltimore is very, very stupid. How many times over the last decade has Pittsburgh finally “come to the end” only to still have a .500+ record and win/almost win the division.
Dont be ignorant, I think Baker is a franchise guy, but this team only has potential. If you have watched this current version of the Indians, you know it’s a very short window and it’ll close just as quick as it opened.
if we don't improve the d especially the run d.....we will suck forever....don't care how good baker will be or the rest of the o......thats a fucking fact...
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