You know what's really going to suck???
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Sure, like I said....they should get what they can and then bail out on him.
But....actually, Brown's situation may be exactly just like that of Bell. He is discontented, has demanded a trade and wants out....notwithstanding his contract status. That is pretty much what Bell did. If you net a third and a 4th for these two guys, that may be your optimum return. (unless...like I said, someone falls madly in love with them and is willing to pay more)
Bell was on a franchise tag, brown is not. He has no control.
Bell was on a franchise tag, brown is not. He has no control.
Obviously they both have/had some control. Bell refused to play rather than play on the franchise tag. Withholding your services. is the ultimate control. Brown has demanded a trade. He certainly also can refuse to play if a trade is not made. The 13th Amendment forbids slavery FYI. They can refuse to play. Of course, they don't get paid....but obviously sometimes they may be willing to make that sacrifice. Not sure how smart it was for Bell to have passed on 14 million bucks. But that was his choice, be it sane or insane.
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Just as we are on the verge of being very, very good if not great... the rest of the AFCN is swirling around the bowl.
- Bengals look to have made a good HC hire in Zac Taylor, but they've fallen far and Andy ain't leading 'em back.
- Raven's need a run threat so badly that they will end up getting Jackson killed and while good their D is not good enough to carry the team.
- Then there's the Steelers... they can overcome a lot... never thought they'd replace Bell's production... if AB moves on, I think they'll replace him as well... but Ben is old, as in O-L-D and there's a big old hole in the middle of their D.
I was really looking forward to some hard fought Divisional games, but that possibility is looking very flushable...
History has proven that counting out Pitt and Baltimore is very, very stupid. How many times over the last decade has Pittsburgh finally “come to the end” only to still have a .500+ record and win/almost win the division.
Dont be ignorant, I think Baker is a franchise guy, but this team only has potential. If you have watched this current version of the Indians, you know it’s a very short window and it’ll close just as quick as it opened.
History has proven that counting out Pitt and Baltimore is very, very stupid. How many times over the last decade has Pittsburgh finally “come to the end” only to still have a .500+ record and win/almost win the division.
Dont be ignorant, I think Baker is a franchise guy, but this team only has potential. If you have watched this current version of the Indians, you know it’s a very short window and it’ll close just as quick as it opened.
if we don't improve the d especially the run d.....we will suck forever....don't care how good baker will be or the rest of the o......thats a fucking fact...
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HGharrison
Guy is at the end of the line.. will be 41 in May....
Not gonna be missed, outside of Pittsburgh. Almost single handedly responsible for the NFL instituting the helmet to helmet and leading with the helmet penalties...
Guy is at the end of the line.. will be 41 in May....
Not gonna be missed, outside of Pittsburgh. Almost single handedly responsible for the NFL instituting the helmet to helmet and leading with the helmet penalties...
And you both whiffed on the point. HGH was brought back because he was the man...so he was told. Gave the hometown discount for a guy that won them a superb owl. Learned during the season the shit Tomlin fed him was a reduced role...he checked out.
Everyone in that lockerrom saw how HGH did it...am I to believe it's a coincidence it's happened twice since in a calendar year?
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Yeah, a team is going to want Bell and his massive salary demand so much- they're going to give you a fourth round pick for him.. Maybe... Should you transition him, the bidding is going to start with salary, and no draft picks...
And if Brown pulls a Bell on you and sits out? Like he did the last game of the season?
The transition tag gives the steelers leverage and the ability to potentially trade bell. If it jets a 4th it's still a 4th they didn't have before.
Brown is under contract for two or three more seasons. The situation is completely different than bell.
The transition tag gives the steelers leverage and the ability to potentially trade bell. If it jets a 4th it's still a 4th they didn't have before.
Brown is under contract for two or three more seasons. The situation is completely different than bell.
LOL what kind of leverage do you think you have if the Steelers slap a transition tag on Bell? Wishin' and a hopein' and a dreamin' for a potential draft pick. Obviously, GMs of other teams are as dumb as the average Steeler fan- if that's what you think. It's free agency- by another name. Teams will bid on his services, and as in any auction- the bidding will start low. And if Bell doesn't like the lowball offer- he's under no obligation to sign it, and that includes going back to the Steelers... Teams aren't going to start offering draft picks for Bell- unless they have to...
Regarding Brown- as Gipper said- not really. You may control his contract- but you don't control him. He's already banked around $20 million or so- I'm not going to bother totaling up the exact number. Plenty enough loot to flip the Steelers the bird and sit out as long as necessary if they dick around with him.
B. I never commented on Brown's contract situation...other than to say that he will not be with the Steelers next year...and I am only quoting what he is saying...and everyone else.
Is he the best in the league? His own teammates did not consider him to be the best on his own team. Will he put up big numbers? That remains to be seen...and it could all depend on which QB is throwing to him. Will teams deal with a diva? Sure, likely they will try. But they will NOT pay a high price for a diva. And sometimes they just get fed up and don't deal with them. Can you say Terrell Owens?
Brown's teammates considered him to be a primadonna dick- probably the reason Ju-Ju got team MVP. And as I pointed out, teams with playoff aspirations aren't going to bid high- if he can't coexist with Ju-Ju, you think the Colts (Ty Hilton) or Houston (Deandre Hopkins) are gonna want to deal with a head case who sits out games with phantom injuries and wants to be the top dog? Wake up Vag- talent aside, Antonio's antics definitely have torpedoed his trade value.
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HGharrison
Guy is at the end of the line.. will be 41 in May....
Not gonna be missed, outside of Pittsburgh. Almost single handedly responsible for the NFL instituting the helmet to helmet and leading with the helmet penalties...
Wishin' and a hopein' and a dreamin' for a potential draft pick.
Ah yes, just another example of vag having no clue clue what he's on about. There's no draft pick compensation with the transition tag...it's only right of first refusal.
He's quite literally a clueless idiot.
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Wishin' and a hopein' and a dreamin' for a potential draft pick.
Ah yes, just another example of vag having no clue clue what he's on about. There's no draft pick compensation with the transition tag...it's only right of first refusal.
He's quite literally a clueless idiot.
Ah yes, just another example of vag having no clue clue what he's on about. There's no draft pick compensation with the transition tag...it's only right of first refusal.
He's quite literally a clueless idiot.
Reading the article, the only conceivable way that happens is if Bell signs a tender offer,
the Steelers match, and THEN try to trade him.Fat chance there. Way at the bottom of the article, Vag isn't totally wrong. Just letting Bell walk, instead of screwing him over with the transition tag will net them a compensatory pick in the 2020 draft.EDIT: choco's right, the Steelers can't sign a transition player and then try and trade him...
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Ah yes, just another example of vag having no clue clue what he's on about. There's no draft pick compensation with the transition tag...it's only right of first refusal.
He's quite literally a clueless idiot.
Reading the article, the only conceivable way that happens is if Bell signs a tender offer,
the Steelers match, and THEN try to trade him.Fat chance there. Way at the bottom of the article, Vag isn't totally wrong. Just letting Bell walk, instead of screwing him over with the transition tag will net them a compensatory pick in the 2020 draft.EDIT: choco's right, the Steelers can't sign a transition player and then try and trade him...
Reading the article, the only conceivable way that happens is if Bell signs a tender offer, the Steelers match, and THEN try to trade him. Fat chance there. Way at the bottom of the article, Vag isn't totally wrong. Just letting Bell walk, instead of screwing him over with the transition tag will net them a compensatory pick in the 2020 draft.
What if they did that, but Bell never signs the tender? Does he become a UFA? That article does not imply that. Or...when you say "tender offer" you mean that the Steelers just slap that on him....he does signs nothing with them....but he is still free to negotiate a contract with another team....and the Steelers have the right to match that deal?
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Reading the article, the only conceivable way that happens is if Bell signs a tender offer, the Steelers match, and THEN try to trade him. Fat chance there. Way at the bottom of the article, Vag isn't totally wrong. Just letting Bell walk, instead of screwing him over with the transition tag will net them a compensatory pick in the 2020 draft.
What if they did that, but Bell never signs the tender? Does he become a UFA? That article does not imply that. Or...when you say "tender offer" you mean that the Steelers just slap that on him....he does signs nothing with them....but he is still free to negotiate a contract with another team....and the Steelers have the right to match that deal?
What if they did that, but Bell never signs the tender? Does he become a UFA?
RE: they can't match unless Bell signs a tender offer in the first place.
Let's assume he does sign one. Would the Steelers be big enough a-holes to match? Bad, bad PR move in my book.
I have no idea what would happen if he never signs any offer. I'll research it. Probably become a UFA - eventually.
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Ah yes, just another example of vag having no clue clue what he's on about. There's no draft pick compensation with the transition tag...it's only right of first refusal.
He's quite literally a clueless idiot.
Reading the article, the only conceivable way that happens is if Bell signs a tender offer,
the Steelers match, and THEN try to trade him.Fat chance there. Way at the bottom of the article, Vag isn't totally wrong. Just letting Bell walk, instead of screwing him over with the transition tag will net them a compensatory pick in the 2020 draft.EDIT: choco's right, the Steelers can't sign a transition player and then try and trade him...
Reading the article, the only conceivable way that happens is if Bell signs a tender offer, the Steelers match, and THEN try to trade him. Fat chance there. Way at the bottom of the article, Vag isn't totally wrong. Just letting Bell walk, instead of screwing him over with the transition tag will net them a compensatory pick in the 2020 draft.
as per CBA, he can only be traded after the tag if he agrees to it. thats a crapshoot, but he may agree.
possible to get a comp pick, sure. can't sign many FA's, or it pushes down that pick value. which means little immediate help for that team next year.
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Reading the article, the only conceivable way that happens is if Bell signs a tender offer, the Steelers match, and THEN try to trade him. Fat chance there. Way at the bottom of the article, Vag isn't totally wrong. Just letting Bell walk, instead of screwing him over with the transition tag will net them a compensatory pick in the 2020 draft.
as per CBA, he can only be traded after the tag if he agrees to it. thats a crapshoot, but he may agree.
possible to get a comp pick, sure. can't sign many FA's, or it pushes down that pick value. which means little immediate help for that team next year.
as per CBA, he can only be traded after the tag if he agrees to it. thats a crapshoot, but he may agree.
possible to get a comp pick, sure. can't sign many FA's, or it pushes down that pick value. which means little immediate help for that team next year.
Found that out doing more research...
"The transition tag gives Bell more flexibility. That's why he would welcome it. But one option that would not be possible under the transition tag: a sign and trade. The CBA does not allow that.
What was Bell’s transition tag number supposed to be originally?
Around $17.4 million, or 120 percent of his previous salary."
ESPN article- from last year, though the part about 2019 still applies...
And in answer to Gippers question- if Bell never signs an offer sheet, he could sit out another year (he won't) and become a UFA... But looking at Spotrac, assuming another team offers Bell a front loaded contract, the Steelers aren't going to be in a position to match, they're 6th from the bottom in cap room...
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Zombo said:
Don't write off the Steelers ... ever. They have the coach and the QB and they always make the D work. Everyone seems to be celebrating that they are losing their two prima donnas ... that actually scares me. They will be back to being old school disciplined Steelers again, addition by subtraction ... besides, Ben/Connors/JuJu ... they still have one of the best "triplets" in the league, don't they?
No. I don't think so. I think that if you looked at each and every other team in the league....at their QB, top RB, top WR....you would see that they are middle of the pack.
Bungles will be transitioning, but not without talent. They will win some games, but they will be our personal bitches as long as Baker says so.
Ravens? They are all in on a QB that IMO will struggle to become a big time passer. That running around shit only lasts so long, eventually you have to stand in the pocket with three 280lb dudes coming for you and throw a rifle in the hands of a receiver that has a 1 foot window on his coverage to make a big play in a big game. I know the other three QBs in the division can do that. Weddle was the heart of their defense and he may be gone, and they have some important free agents on that side of the ball. I'll give them a "we'll see" for next year ... but they don't scare me.
I think we are going to have the Browns and Steelers fighting for the division for the next few years ... and that sounds awesome.
Zombo
I think it would still be a 3 team race. Browns, Rats, Squibs.
No. I don't think so. I think that if you looked at each and every other team in the league....at their QB, top RB, top WR....you would see that they are middle of the pack.
HOF QB, Pro Bowl 1,400 yard receiver and and Pro Bowl running back who was on pace for over 1.300 yards and had 12 TDs is "middle of the pack"? Some pack.
Zombo
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Just as we are on the verge of being very, very good if not great... the rest of the AFCN is swirling around the bowl.
- Bengals look to have made a good HC hire in Zac Taylor, but they've fallen far and Andy ain't leading 'em back.
- Raven's need a run threat so badly that they will end up getting Jackson killed and while good their D is not good enough to carry the team.
- Then there's the Steelers... they can overcome a lot... never thought they'd replace Bell's production... if AB moves on, I think they'll replace him as well... but Ben is old, as in O-L-D and there's a big old hole in the middle of their D.
I was really looking forward to some hard fought Divisional games, but that possibility is looking very flushable...
Just as we are on the verge of being very, very good if not great... the rest of the AFCN is swirling around the bowl.
- Bengals look to have made a good HC hire in Zac Taylor, but they've fallen far and Andy ain't leading 'em back.
- Raven's need a run threat so badly that they will end up getting Jackson killed and while good their D is not good enough to carry the team.
- Then there's the Steelers... they can overcome a lot... never thought they'd replace Bell's production... if AB moves on, I think they'll replace him as well... but Ben is old, as in O-L-D and there's a big old hole in the middle of their D.
I was really looking forward to some hard fought Divisional games, but that possibility is looking very flushable...
I don't know. I would welcome some laughers for about 10 years.
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No. I don't think so. I think that if you looked at each and every other team in the league....at their QB, top RB, top WR....you would see that they are middle of the pack.
HOF QB, Pro Bowl 1,400 yard receiver and and Pro Bowl running back who was on pace for over 1.300 yards and had 12 TDs is "middle of the pack"? Some pack.
Zombo
Zombo said:
HOF QB, Pro Bowl 1,400 yard receiver and and Pro Bowl running back who was on pace for over 1.300 yards and had 12 TDs is "middle of the pack"? Some pack.
Zombo
See the list of all the other teams players. Seems close to the middle of the pack to me.
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Zombo said:
HOF QB, Pro Bowl 1,400 yard receiver and and Pro Bowl running back who was on pace for over 1.300 yards and had 12 TDs is "middle of the pack"? Some pack.
Zombo
See the list of all the other teams players. Seems close to the middle of the pack to me.
See the list of all the other teams players. Seems close to the middle of the pack to me.
I can tell you already that three Pro Bowlers is higher than 16th.
Z
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Just as we are on the verge of being very, very good if not great... the rest of the AFCN is swirling around the bowl.
- Bengals look to have made a good HC hire in Zac Taylor, but they've fallen far and Andy ain't leading 'em back.
- Raven's need a run threat so badly that they will end up getting Jackson killed and while good their D is not good enough to carry the team.
- Then there's the Steelers... they can overcome a lot... never thought they'd replace Bell's production... if AB moves on, I think they'll replace him as well... but Ben is old, as in O-L-D and there's a big old hole in the middle of their D.
I was really looking forward to some hard fought Divisional games, but that possibility is looking very flushable...
Just as we are on the verge of being very, very good if not great... the rest of the AFCN is swirling around the bowl.
I was really looking forward to some hard fought Divisional games, but that possibility is looking very flushable...
While beating a division rival in the closing seconds is an absolute thrill; Karma reminds us there's 2 AFC North teams outside of Ohio that need some serious payback. You're buddy Flugel would LOVE to see it happen in the form of a blow out or 2 or 3....
I welcome the only Defensive Coordinator to earn a Superbowl Ring in New Orleans while understanding Revenge of the Nerds is a sequel. "Come get some!" -
Conner is nowhere near as good as Bell. And nobody knows how well the Bengals coach will do.
Conner is nowhere near as good as Bell. And nobody knows how well the Bengals coach will do.
Connor may not be as good as Bell, but he's good enough. Regarding the Bengals, we'll see about the new coach. MHO is their nose dive last year can be attributed to the sheer number of injuries they had. We knocked Dalton out, and AJ Green missed over half the season with a bum toe. 12 guys on IR, and a fair number of them starters.
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Just as we are on the verge of being very, very good if not great... the rest of the AFCN is swirling around the bowl.
I was really looking forward to some hard fought Divisional games, but that possibility is looking very flushable...
While beating a division rival in the closing seconds is an absolute thrill; Karma reminds us there's 2 AFC North teams outside of Ohio that need some serious payback. You're buddy Flugel would LOVE to see it happen in the form of a blow out or 2 or 3....
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Frankly I'm just as happy to have 18 Browns wins by blowout in a row and blank the NFC in the Super Bowl.
For the next 15 years.
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WSS
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