Minimum expectations for the upcoming season,?
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4-12 or 5-11 are quite possible—and with a few certain injuries—likely
4-12 or 5-11 are quite possible—and with a few certain injuries—likely
If that happens it's on the coaches. Tgey will have to go then. We have a limited window with this pro bowl'esque lineup. If our coaches cant get us to even .500...they got to go
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4-12 or 5-11 are quite possible—and with a few certain injuries—likely
If that happens it's on the coaches. Tgey will have to go then. We have a limited window with this pro bowl'esque lineup. If our coaches cant get us to even .500...they got to go
If that happens it's on the coaches. Tgey will have to go then. We have a limited window with this pro bowl'esque lineup. If our coaches cant get us to even .500...they got to go
But if you look at the rest of the league team by team you will notice the browns aren’t a pro bowl esque roster at all. Hardly average. They’re still really young and teams now have seen them for a year and know how to play them. I like The team and I hope they do good but I expect them to fold hard. Here’s to 2020
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If that happens it's on the coaches. Tgey will have to go then. We have a limited window with this pro bowl'esque lineup. If our coaches cant get us to even .500...they got to go
But if you look at the rest of the league team by team you will notice the browns aren’t a pro bowl esque roster at all. Hardly average. They’re still really young and teams now have seen them for a year and know how to play them. I like The team and I hope they do good but I expect them to fold hard. Here’s to 2020
But if you look at the rest of the league team by team you will notice the browns aren’t a pro bowl esque roster at all. Hardly average. They’re still really young and teams now have seen them for a year and know how to play them. I like The team and I hope they do good but I expect them to fold hard. Here’s to 2020
Really? How many you want? 22 all pros? Doesn't happen guy. Think before you post.
OBJ- Pro Bowl
Landry- Pro Bowl
Kareem Hunt- Pro Bowl
Garrett- Pro Bowl
Richardson- Pro Bowl 2014
Olivier Vernon- Pro Bowl
Ward- Pro Bowl
Bitonio- Pro Bowl
Baker- OROTY, in a few spots
As my nephew said- the Browns offense is Madden taking the trade restrictions off. Barring a Bungle level injury disaster- this team is as talent loaded as any other in the NFL.
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But if you look at the rest of the league team by team you will notice the browns aren’t a pro bowl esque roster at all. Hardly average. They’re still really young and teams now have seen them for a year and know how to play them. I like The team and I hope they do good but I expect them to fold hard. Here’s to 2020
Really? How many you want? 22 all pros? Doesn't happen guy. Think before you post.
OBJ- Pro Bowl
Landry- Pro Bowl
Kareem Hunt- Pro Bowl
Garrett- Pro Bowl
Richardson- Pro Bowl 2014
Olivier Vernon- Pro Bowl
Ward- Pro Bowl
Bitonio- Pro Bowl
Baker- OROTY, in a few spots
As my nephew said- the Browns offense is Madden taking the trade restrictions off. Barring a Bungle level injury disaster- this team is as talent loaded as any other in the NFL.
Really? How many you want? 22 all pros? Doesn't happen guy. Think before you post.
OBJ- Pro Bowl
Landry- Pro Bowl
Kareem Hunt- Pro Bowl
Garrett- Pro Bowl
Richardson- Pro Bowl 2014
Olivier Vernon- Pro Bowl
Ward- Pro Bowl
Bitonio- Pro Bowl
Baker- OROTY, in a few spots
As my nephew said- the Browns offense is Madden taking the trade restrictions off. Barring a Bungle level injury disaster- this team is as talent loaded as any other in the NFL.
The biggest improvement is getting a real DL that will no longer allow the near every down focus on stopping Myles Garrett. Defense wins championships and this one has a chance to be really good starting in the trenches where D begins. Damn we need another run-stopping ILB!! Find a way Dorsey!!
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Agree, they need to be 4-2 in the division at a minimum, and establish a home field advantage (8-0, 7-1, 6-2).
The talent on paper is there, and the Browns found ways to "learn how to win" last season. Barring injuries, they should be in the playoff mix for sure.
The schedule will be out soon. You know the Browns will probably close the season in Pittsburgh or Baltimore, so I'm guessing they'll need to win there in order to get in the playoffs.Nothing ever comes easy.
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But if you look at the rest of the league team by team you will notice the browns aren’t a pro bowl esque roster at all. Hardly average. They’re still really young and teams now have seen them for a year and know how to play them. I like The team and I hope they do good but I expect them to fold hard. Here’s to 2020
Really? How many you want? 22 all pros? Doesn't happen guy. Think before you post.
OBJ- Pro Bowl
Landry- Pro Bowl
Kareem Hunt- Pro Bowl
Garrett- Pro Bowl
Richardson- Pro Bowl 2014
Olivier Vernon- Pro Bowl
Ward- Pro Bowl
Bitonio- Pro Bowl
Baker- OROTY, in a few spots
As my nephew said- the Browns offense is Madden taking the trade restrictions off. Barring a Bungle level injury disaster- this team is as talent loaded as any other in the NFL.
Really? How many you want? 22 all pros? Doesn't happen guy. Think before you post.
OBJ- Pro Bowl
Landry- Pro Bowl
Kareem Hunt- Pro Bowl
Garrett- Pro Bowl
Richardson- Pro Bowl 2014
Olivier Vernon- Pro Bowl
Ward- Pro Bowl
Bitonio- Pro Bowl
Baker- OROTY, in a few spots
As my nephew said- the Browns offense is Madden taking the trade restrictions off. Barring a Bung hole level injury disaster- this team is as talent loaded as any other in the NFL.
Teams now know the Browns are a “Super Bowl contender” so no more stumble fracking around with lethargic overtime endings. The offensive line is suspect, even if Denzel ward plays as well as last year the secondary is average at best. I’m not sold on Sheldon Richardson and ogunjobi being better than the Steelers cam heyward and stephon tuitt. My point is it’s fun that the browns don’t suck for the first time ever but they still have a far way to go.
Teams that are better now- patriots, rams, chargers, Texans, colts, chiefs, eagles, saints, bears
teams that are about the same-(post free agency) Steelers, seahawks, packers, Vikings, titans, cowboys, falcons, panthers
I hope they put themselves in position for a playoff and super bowl run asap
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Is this chudzinski goof our old steeler troll come round again?
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"Avg at best"? We now have one of the best qb's in the league, the best wr outright and possibly the best wr Corp, and a RB room that's just self explanatory. And we might have the best front 4 now in the NFL.
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"Avg at best"? We now have one of the best qb's in the league, the best wr outright and possibly the best wr Corp, and a RB room that's just self explanatory. And we might have the best front 4 now in the NFL.
"Avg at best"? We now have one of the best qb's in the league, the best wr outright and possibly the best wr Corp, and a RB room that's just self explanatory. And we might have the best front 4 now in the NFL.
Best qbs? Baker is good. Pff rated him 9th best. Id say now that teams know him he’s about 14th. His offensive line is below average and I liked breshad Perriman who he lost. Odell isn’t better than deandre Hopkins, mike Thomas, Julio Jones or others but he’s one of the best browns even if he didn’t help New York do anything but call him a diva and not win. Chubb was a rookie as well and still young, maybe he can still do good against defenses that now know him. No backup yet til Kareem comes back week 8. Vernon, ogunjobi and Sheldon Richardson are stellar but overrated. They can still add talent in the draft but as far as logical predictions go don’t expect them to go better than 8-8
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"Stellar but overrated"....yup, welcome back vagitron..
"Stellar but overrated"....yup, welcome back vagitron..
Yeah you can insult and what not but yes there’s a reason Vernon is a pass rusher in his prime being 28 years old and only yielded an interior offensive lineman. Ogunjobi was grades by pff as below average, though he is a hulk. Sheldon Richardson is hardly above average when you consider his play year in and year out.
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Really? How many you want? 22 all pros? Doesn't happen guy. Think before you post.
OBJ- Pro Bowl
Landry- Pro Bowl
Kareem Hunt- Pro Bowl
Garrett- Pro Bowl
Richardson- Pro Bowl 2014
Olivier Vernon- Pro Bowl
Ward- Pro Bowl
Bitonio- Pro Bowl
Baker- OROTY, in a few spots
As my nephew said- the Browns offense is Madden taking the trade restrictions off. Barring a Bung hole level injury disaster- this team is as talent loaded as any other in the NFL.
Teams now know the Browns are a “Super Bowl contender” so no more stumble fracking around with lethargic overtime endings. The offensive line is suspect, even if Denzel ward plays as well as last year the secondary is average at best. I’m not sold on Sheldon Richardson and ogunjobi being better than the Steelers cam heyward and stephon tuitt. My point is it’s fun that the browns don’t suck for the first time ever but they still have a far way to go.
Teams that are better now- patriots, rams, chargers, Texans, colts, chiefs, eagles, saints, bears
teams that are about the same-(post free agency) Steelers, seahawks, packers, Vikings, titans, cowboys, falcons, panthers
I hope they put themselves in position for a playoff and super bowl run asap
Teams now know the Browns are a “Super Bowl contender” so no more stumble fracking around with lethargic overtime endings. The offensive line is suspect, even if Denzel ward plays as well as last year the secondary is average at best. I’m not sold on Sheldon Richardson and ogunjobi being better than the Steelers cam heyward and stephon tuitt. My point is it’s fun that the browns don’t suck for the first time ever but they still have a far way to go.
Teams that are better now- patriots, rams, chargers, Texans, colts, chiefs, eagles, saints, bears
teams that are about the same-(post free agency) Steelers, seahawks, packers, Vikings, titans, cowboys, falcons, panthers
I hope they put themselves in position for a playoff and super bowl run asap
That's so wrong on so many counts it's not even worth my time pointing out where teams like the Rams and Chiefs have lost a ton of talent.
Is this chudzinski goof our old steeler troll come round again?
No, but he sure sounds like the banned for another month Baking up Turnovers.
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Teams now know the Browns are a “Super Bowl contender” so no more stumble fracking around with lethargic overtime endings. The offensive line is suspect, even if Denzel ward plays as well as last year the secondary is average at best. I’m not sold on Sheldon Richardson and ogunjobi being better than the Steelers cam heyward and stephon tuitt. My point is it’s fun that the browns don’t suck for the first time ever but they still have a far way to go.
Teams that are better now- patriots, rams, chargers, Texans, colts, chiefs, eagles, saints, bears
teams that are about the same-(post free agency) Steelers, seahawks, packers, Vikings, titans, cowboys, falcons, panthers
I hope they put themselves in position for a playoff and super bowl run asap
That's so wrong on so many counts it's not even worth my time pointing out where teams like the Rams and Chiefs have lost a ton of talent.
Is this chudzinski goof our old steeler troll come round again?
No, but he sure sounds like the banned for another month Baking up Turnovers.
No, but he sure sounds like the banned for another month Baking up Turnovers.
Yup that's him. But was "but" a vagitron alt?
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Yup that's him. But was "but" a vagitron alt?
Nah, I've had more than a few PMs with Vag, and other than being a Steeler homer- he's a pretty normal guy. Doesn't ghost, and knows way more about football than our Negative Newbie apparently does.
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Yup that's him. But was "but" a vagitron alt?
Nah, I've had more than a few PMs with Vag, and other than being a Steeler homer- he's a pretty normal guy. Doesn't ghost, and knows way more about football than our Negative Newbie apparently does.
Nah, I've had more than a few PMs with Vag, and other than being a Steeler homer- he's a pretty normal guy. Doesn't ghost, and knows way more about football than our Negative Newbie apparently does.
I’m not negative just highly unimpressed with everyone’s assessment that the browns are division favorites because they finally have a collection of some above average players for the first time since 2007
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Nah, I've had more than a few PMs with Vag, and other than being a Steeler homer- he's a pretty normal guy. Doesn't ghost, and knows way more about football than our Negative Newbie apparently does.
I’m not negative just highly unimpressed with everyone’s assessment that the browns are division favorites because they finally have a collection of some above average players for the first time since 2007
I’m not negative just highly unimpressed with everyone’s assessment that the browns are division favorites because they finally have a collection of some above average players for the first time since 2007
Speaking of highly unimpressed......(fill in the blank)
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I’m not negative just highly unimpressed with everyone’s assessment that the browns are division favorites because they finally have a collection of some above average players for the first time since 2007
Speaking of highly unimpressed......(fill in the blank)
Speaking of highly unimpressed......(fill in the blank)
Oh be reasonable Gip. Look I’m just saying if the browns go above 8-8 then I’m the Retard here
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Speaking of highly unimpressed......(fill in the blank)
Oh be reasonable Gip. Look I’m just saying if the browns go above 8-8 then I’m the Retard here
Oh be reasonable Gip. Look I’m just saying if the browns go above 8-8 then I’m the Retard here
Well...you may be that notwithstanding whatever the Browns record is. Certainly Browns fans should not be overconfident. That does not mean that the talent here should be underrated either.
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Oh be reasonable Gip. Look I’m just saying if the browns go above 8-8 then I’m the Retard here
Well...you may be that notwithstanding whatever the Browns record is. Certainly Browns fans should not be overconfident. That does not mean that the talent here should be underrated either.
Well...you may be that notwithstanding whatever the Browns record is. Certainly Browns fans should not be overconfident. That does not mean that the talent here should be underrated either.
But how are they underrated? Two of the big 3 players obtained in Vernon and beckham are coming from a 2-14 giants team. the o-line is the worst it’s been since 2008 barring Austin Corbett becoming even an average ranked guard. The secondary looks very iffy and are one Denzel ward injury away from being a bottom 3 secondary. They’re an extremely young team at over half the positions and teams are gonna take them more serious than last year. If they make the playoffs it was because of a top 5 New England patriots like all around effort by coaches, players, and all. Not talent
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Well...you may be that notwithstanding whatever the Browns record is. Certainly Browns fans should not be overconfident. That does not mean that the talent here should be underrated either.
But how are they underrated? Two of the big 3 players obtained in Vernon and beckham are coming from a 2-14 giants team. the o-line is the worst it’s been since 2008 barring Austin Corbett becoming even an average ranked guard. The secondary looks very iffy and are one Denzel ward injury away from being a bottom 3 secondary. They’re an extremely young team at over half the positions and teams are gonna take them more serious than last year. If they make the playoffs it was because of a top 5 New England patriots like all around effort by coaches, players, and all. Not talent
But how are they underrated? Two of the big 3 players obtained in Vernon and beckham are coming from a 2-14 giants team. the o-line is the worst it’s been since 2008 barring Austin Corbett becoming even an average ranked guard. The secondary looks very iffy and are one Denzel ward injury away from being a bottom 3 secondary. They’re an extremely young team at over half the positions and teams are gonna take them more serious than last year. If they make the playoffs it was because of a top 5 New England patriots like all around effort by coaches, players, and all. Not talent
How are they underrated? Read your own stupid post.
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