Minimum expectations for the upcoming season,?
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"Avg at best"? We now have one of the best qb's in the league, the best wr outright and possibly the best wr Corp, and a RB room that's just self explanatory. And we might have the best front 4 now in the NFL.
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"Avg at best"? We now have one of the best qb's in the league, the best wr outright and possibly the best wr Corp, and a RB room that's just self explanatory. And we might have the best front 4 now in the NFL.
"Avg at best"? We now have one of the best qb's in the league, the best wr outright and possibly the best wr Corp, and a RB room that's just self explanatory. And we might have the best front 4 now in the NFL.
Best qbs? Baker is good. Pff rated him 9th best. Id say now that teams know him he’s about 14th. His offensive line is below average and I liked breshad Perriman who he lost. Odell isn’t better than deandre Hopkins, mike Thomas, Julio Jones or others but he’s one of the best browns even if he didn’t help New York do anything but call him a diva and not win. Chubb was a rookie as well and still young, maybe he can still do good against defenses that now know him. No backup yet til Kareem comes back week 8. Vernon, ogunjobi and Sheldon Richardson are stellar but overrated. They can still add talent in the draft but as far as logical predictions go don’t expect them to go better than 8-8
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"Stellar but overrated"....yup, welcome back vagitron..
"Stellar but overrated"....yup, welcome back vagitron..
Yeah you can insult and what not but yes there’s a reason Vernon is a pass rusher in his prime being 28 years old and only yielded an interior offensive lineman. Ogunjobi was grades by pff as below average, though he is a hulk. Sheldon Richardson is hardly above average when you consider his play year in and year out.
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Really? How many you want? 22 all pros? Doesn't happen guy. Think before you post.
OBJ- Pro Bowl
Landry- Pro Bowl
Kareem Hunt- Pro Bowl
Garrett- Pro Bowl
Richardson- Pro Bowl 2014
Olivier Vernon- Pro Bowl
Ward- Pro Bowl
Bitonio- Pro Bowl
Baker- OROTY, in a few spots
As my nephew said- the Browns offense is Madden taking the trade restrictions off. Barring a Bung hole level injury disaster- this team is as talent loaded as any other in the NFL.
Teams now know the Browns are a “Super Bowl contender” so no more stumble fracking around with lethargic overtime endings. The offensive line is suspect, even if Denzel ward plays as well as last year the secondary is average at best. I’m not sold on Sheldon Richardson and ogunjobi being better than the Steelers cam heyward and stephon tuitt. My point is it’s fun that the browns don’t suck for the first time ever but they still have a far way to go.
Teams that are better now- patriots, rams, chargers, Texans, colts, chiefs, eagles, saints, bears
teams that are about the same-(post free agency) Steelers, seahawks, packers, Vikings, titans, cowboys, falcons, panthers
I hope they put themselves in position for a playoff and super bowl run asap
Teams now know the Browns are a “Super Bowl contender” so no more stumble fracking around with lethargic overtime endings. The offensive line is suspect, even if Denzel ward plays as well as last year the secondary is average at best. I’m not sold on Sheldon Richardson and ogunjobi being better than the Steelers cam heyward and stephon tuitt. My point is it’s fun that the browns don’t suck for the first time ever but they still have a far way to go.
Teams that are better now- patriots, rams, chargers, Texans, colts, chiefs, eagles, saints, bears
teams that are about the same-(post free agency) Steelers, seahawks, packers, Vikings, titans, cowboys, falcons, panthers
I hope they put themselves in position for a playoff and super bowl run asap
That's so wrong on so many counts it's not even worth my time pointing out where teams like the Rams and Chiefs have lost a ton of talent.
Is this chudzinski goof our old steeler troll come round again?
No, but he sure sounds like the banned for another month Baking up Turnovers.
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Teams now know the Browns are a “Super Bowl contender” so no more stumble fracking around with lethargic overtime endings. The offensive line is suspect, even if Denzel ward plays as well as last year the secondary is average at best. I’m not sold on Sheldon Richardson and ogunjobi being better than the Steelers cam heyward and stephon tuitt. My point is it’s fun that the browns don’t suck for the first time ever but they still have a far way to go.
Teams that are better now- patriots, rams, chargers, Texans, colts, chiefs, eagles, saints, bears
teams that are about the same-(post free agency) Steelers, seahawks, packers, Vikings, titans, cowboys, falcons, panthers
I hope they put themselves in position for a playoff and super bowl run asap
That's so wrong on so many counts it's not even worth my time pointing out where teams like the Rams and Chiefs have lost a ton of talent.
Is this chudzinski goof our old steeler troll come round again?
No, but he sure sounds like the banned for another month Baking up Turnovers.
No, but he sure sounds like the banned for another month Baking up Turnovers.
Yup that's him. But was "but" a vagitron alt?
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Yup that's him. But was "but" a vagitron alt?
Nah, I've had more than a few PMs with Vag, and other than being a Steeler homer- he's a pretty normal guy. Doesn't ghost, and knows way more about football than our Negative Newbie apparently does.
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Yup that's him. But was "but" a vagitron alt?
Nah, I've had more than a few PMs with Vag, and other than being a Steeler homer- he's a pretty normal guy. Doesn't ghost, and knows way more about football than our Negative Newbie apparently does.
Nah, I've had more than a few PMs with Vag, and other than being a Steeler homer- he's a pretty normal guy. Doesn't ghost, and knows way more about football than our Negative Newbie apparently does.
I’m not negative just highly unimpressed with everyone’s assessment that the browns are division favorites because they finally have a collection of some above average players for the first time since 2007
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Nah, I've had more than a few PMs with Vag, and other than being a Steeler homer- he's a pretty normal guy. Doesn't ghost, and knows way more about football than our Negative Newbie apparently does.
I’m not negative just highly unimpressed with everyone’s assessment that the browns are division favorites because they finally have a collection of some above average players for the first time since 2007
I’m not negative just highly unimpressed with everyone’s assessment that the browns are division favorites because they finally have a collection of some above average players for the first time since 2007
Speaking of highly unimpressed......(fill in the blank)
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I’m not negative just highly unimpressed with everyone’s assessment that the browns are division favorites because they finally have a collection of some above average players for the first time since 2007
Speaking of highly unimpressed......(fill in the blank)
Speaking of highly unimpressed......(fill in the blank)
Oh be reasonable Gip. Look I’m just saying if the browns go above 8-8 then I’m the Retard here
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Speaking of highly unimpressed......(fill in the blank)
Oh be reasonable Gip. Look I’m just saying if the browns go above 8-8 then I’m the Retard here
Oh be reasonable Gip. Look I’m just saying if the browns go above 8-8 then I’m the Retard here
Well...you may be that notwithstanding whatever the Browns record is. Certainly Browns fans should not be overconfident. That does not mean that the talent here should be underrated either.
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Oh be reasonable Gip. Look I’m just saying if the browns go above 8-8 then I’m the Retard here
Well...you may be that notwithstanding whatever the Browns record is. Certainly Browns fans should not be overconfident. That does not mean that the talent here should be underrated either.
Well...you may be that notwithstanding whatever the Browns record is. Certainly Browns fans should not be overconfident. That does not mean that the talent here should be underrated either.
But how are they underrated? Two of the big 3 players obtained in Vernon and beckham are coming from a 2-14 giants team. the o-line is the worst it’s been since 2008 barring Austin Corbett becoming even an average ranked guard. The secondary looks very iffy and are one Denzel ward injury away from being a bottom 3 secondary. They’re an extremely young team at over half the positions and teams are gonna take them more serious than last year. If they make the playoffs it was because of a top 5 New England patriots like all around effort by coaches, players, and all. Not talent
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Well...you may be that notwithstanding whatever the Browns record is. Certainly Browns fans should not be overconfident. That does not mean that the talent here should be underrated either.
But how are they underrated? Two of the big 3 players obtained in Vernon and beckham are coming from a 2-14 giants team. the o-line is the worst it’s been since 2008 barring Austin Corbett becoming even an average ranked guard. The secondary looks very iffy and are one Denzel ward injury away from being a bottom 3 secondary. They’re an extremely young team at over half the positions and teams are gonna take them more serious than last year. If they make the playoffs it was because of a top 5 New England patriots like all around effort by coaches, players, and all. Not talent
But how are they underrated? Two of the big 3 players obtained in Vernon and beckham are coming from a 2-14 giants team. the o-line is the worst it’s been since 2008 barring Austin Corbett becoming even an average ranked guard. The secondary looks very iffy and are one Denzel ward injury away from being a bottom 3 secondary. They’re an extremely young team at over half the positions and teams are gonna take them more serious than last year. If they make the playoffs it was because of a top 5 New England patriots like all around effort by coaches, players, and all. Not talent
How are they underrated? Read your own stupid post.
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Speaking of highly unimpressed......(fill in the blank)
Oh be reasonable Gip. Look I’m just saying if the browns go above 8-8 then I’m the Retard here
Oh be reasonable Gip. Look I’m just saying if the browns go above 8-8 then I’m the Retard here
So let it be written. So let it be done.
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Oh be reasonable Gip. Look I’m just saying if the browns go above 8-8 then I’m the Retard here
Well...you may be that notwithstanding whatever the Browns record is. Certainly Browns fans should not be overconfident. That does not mean that the talent here should be underrated either.
Well...you may be that notwithstanding whatever the Browns record is. Certainly Browns fans should not be overconfident. That does not mean that the talent here should be underrated either.
Yup, as I pointed out- the talent on the 2019 Browns is worlds better than anything since- fill in the blank ________. Playoff year? Last time we won a playoff game? If the Browns competition is the Steelers, go down the rosters, and the Browns are superior at least 7 out of 10. Used to be we couldn't hardly find a Cleveland player that could start for Pittsburgh, certainly not the case anymore. Only position where you can give the Steelers the edge is on o-line. Of course Vag will disagree.
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What is the "window" we have to.keep this current roster,? Its not a terribly long time. We're gonna have to pay Myles and for sure Baker here soon. We need to be in the playoffs THIS year so our guys exp it. Part of my point for starting this thread is that expectations HAVE to be high. They have to be.
I've always loathed the souring on coaching staff after one year cause we just could not get anything built right. But now jedi master John has staffed the fuck out of this roster.....gotta strike it hot in the next couple seasons before this teams window is done. We cant just say ahhh buddy boy will keep getting us rosters like this. No he wont. This is a stupidly talented roster that likely wont be ever repeated in clev and maybe not even the entire league. Sure other teams may get as good or better a wr Corp or a RB room or a front 4 like ours....but to have all those groups staffed like we are now?
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What is the "window" we have to.keep this current roster,? Its not a terribly long time. We're gonna have to pay Myles and for sure Baker here soon. We need to be in the playoffs THIS year so our guys exp it. Part of my point for starting this thread is that expectations HAVE to be high. They have to be.
I've always loathed the souring on coaching staff after one year cause we just could not get anything built right. But now jedi master John has staffed the fuck out of this roster.....gotta strike it hot in the next couple seasons before this teams window is done. We cant just say ahhh buddy boy will keep getting us rosters like this. No he wont. This is a stupidly talented roster that likely wont be ever repeated in clev and maybe not even the entire league. Sure other teams may get as good or better a wr Corp or a RB room or a front 4 like ours....but to have all those groups staffed like we are now?
What is the "window" we have to.keep this current roster,? Its not a terribly long time. We're gonna have to pay Myles and for sure Baker here soon. We need to be in the playoffs THIS year so our guys exp it. Part of my point for starting this thread is that expectations HAVE to be high. They have to be.
I've always loathed the souring on coaching staff after one year cause we just could not get anything built right. But now jedi master John has staffed the fuck out of this roster.....gotta strike it hot in the next couple seasons before this teams window is done. We cant just say ahhh buddy boy will keep getting us rosters like this. No he wont. This is a stupidly talented roster that likely wont be ever repeated in clev and maybe not even the entire league. Sure other teams may get as good or better a wr Corp or a RB room or a front 4 like ours....but to have all those groups staffed like we are now?
Damn you’re in for a rude awakening. The browns aren’t even better than the chargers who they lost to by 35 this year
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What is the "window" we have to.keep this current roster,? Its not a terribly long time. We're gonna have to pay Myles and for sure Baker here soon. We need to be in the playoffs THIS year so our guys exp it. Part of my point for starting this thread is that expectations HAVE to be high. They have to be.
I've always loathed the souring on coaching staff after one year cause we just could not get anything built right. But now jedi master John has staffed the fuck out of this roster.....gotta strike it hot in the next couple seasons before this teams window is done. We cant just say ahhh buddy boy will keep getting us rosters like this. No he wont. This is a stupidly talented roster that likely wont be ever repeated in clev and maybe not even the entire league. Sure other teams may get as good or better a wr Corp or a RB room or a front 4 like ours....but to have all those groups staffed like we are now?
Damn you’re in for a rude awakening. The browns aren’t even better than the chargers who they lost to by 35 this year
Damn you’re in for a rude awakening. The browns aren’t even better than the chargers who they lost to by 35 this year
We weren't better last year. No comparison to the additional talent Dorsey has added. Yup, they have Bosa and Derwin James. Also a 37 yo QB in Rivers, and our rejects Hayes Pullard and Spencer Drango on their roster too.
You're taking over for Soju as the most negative newcomer I've seen here in a long time.
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Well...you may be that notwithstanding whatever the Browns record is. Certainly Browns fans should not be overconfident. That does not mean that the talent here should be underrated either.
But how are they underrated? Two of the big 3 players obtained in Vernon and beckham are coming from a 2-14 giants team. the o-line is the worst it’s been since 2008 barring Austin Corbett becoming even an average ranked guard. The secondary looks very iffy and are one Denzel ward injury away from being a bottom 3 secondary. They’re an extremely young team at over half the positions and teams are gonna take them more serious than last year. If they make the playoffs it was because of a top 5 New England patriots like all around effort by coaches, players, and all. Not talent
But how are they underrated? Two of the big 3 players obtained in Vernon and beckham are coming from a 2-14 giants team. the o-line is the worst it’s been since 2008 barring Austin Corbett becoming even an average ranked guard. The secondary looks very iffy and are one Denzel ward injury away from being a bottom 3 secondary. They’re an extremely young team at over half the positions and teams are gonna take them more serious than last year. If they make the playoffs it was because of a top 5 New England patriots like all around effort by coaches, players, and all. Not talent
Apparently- you have no idea what talent is. Browns secondary bad without Ward? How about the Steelers with an aged Joe Haden and a bunch of guys you never heard of? Bengals have a bunch of nothing too.
We traded Zeitler and now the sky is falling. Thanks chicken little. Regarding Vernon and OBJ coming from a 2-14 team, that doesn't mean crap. The Browns went 1-15 with future HOFer Joe Thomas and Joel Bitonio on the OL. Regarding being young- if you're a pro bowl level player, it doesn't matter if you're 23 or 33 FYI.
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