Minimum expectations for the upcoming season,?
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I should be a moderator. This is bullpoop
I should be a moderator. This is bullpoop
No, kiddo- I'll explain how things work around here, mostly because I've been here since day one. You've been here less than a week, and you want to tell us (more on that in a second) how to run things? ROTFLMAO!!! Got much of an ego problem? Contrary opinions are allowed- as long as they have some merit. Spout total crap- it's going to get called out. Your list of other teams that improved may have been right in your mind- but it everyone else's- it was dead wrong. There's posters who have played the game, or coached on a high level here, and they've forgotten more about football than you apparently know. There's other Browns message boards out there if you don't like it here.
Regarding us there's three moderators- Zombo, Mark O, and me, plus our board owner Kathy aka Hag II. Mark hasn't been around of late as far as I know, but you've already honked Zombo and me off. Take that for what it's worth. As bjh said earlier in this thread, why should anyone bother even responding to you? Unfortunately, I can't put you on ignore (same reason I couldn't with our now departed resident troll Ghoolie) because part of the job of being a Mod is keeping the asylum somewhat under control.
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"Avg at best"? We now have one of the best qb's in the league, the best wr outright and possibly the best wr Corp, and a RB room that's just self explanatory. And we might have the best front 4 now in the NFL.
Best qbs? Baker is good. Pff rated him 9th best. Id say now that teams know him he’s about 14th. His offensive line is below average and I liked breshad Perriman who he lost. Odell isn’t better than deandre Hopkins, mike Thomas, Julio Jones or others but he’s one of the best browns even if he didn’t help New York do anything but call him a diva and not win. Chubb was a rookie as well and still young, maybe he can still do good against defenses that now know him. No backup yet til Kareem comes back week 8. Vernon, ogunjobi and Sheldon Richardson are stellar but overrated. They can still add talent in the draft but as far as logical predictions go don’t expect them to go better than 8-8
Vernon, ogunjobi and Sheldon Richardson are stellar but overrated.
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Well...you may be that notwithstanding whatever the Browns record is. Certainly Browns fans should not be overconfident. That does not mean that the talent here should be underrated either.
But how are they underrated? Two of the big 3 players obtained in Vernon and beckham are coming from a 2-14 giants team. the o-line is the worst it’s been since 2008 barring Austin Corbett becoming even an average ranked guard. The secondary looks very iffy and are one Denzel ward injury away from being a bottom 3 secondary. They’re an extremely young team at over half the positions and teams are gonna take them more serious than last year. If they make the playoffs it was because of a top 5 New England patriots like all around effort by coaches, players, and all. Not talent
But how are they underrated? Two of the big 3 players obtained in Vernon and beckham are coming from a 2-14 giants team. the o-line is the worst it’s been since 2008 barring Austin Corbett becoming even an average ranked guard.
I guess you missed a few years between 2008 and now. Off rip I can think 2011 and 2013 were pretty bad.
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I should be a moderator. This is bullpoop
No, kiddo- I'll explain how things work around here, mostly because I've been here since day one. You've been here less than a week, and you want to tell us (more on that in a second) how to run things? ROTFLMAO!!! Got much of an ego problem? Contrary opinions are allowed- as long as they have some merit. Spout total crap- it's going to get called out. Your list of other teams that improved may have been right in your mind- but it everyone else's- it was dead wrong. There's posters who have played the game, or coached on a high level here, and they've forgotten more about football than you apparently know. There's other Browns message boards out there if you don't like it here.
Regarding us there's three moderators- Zombo, Mark O, and me, plus our board owner Kathy aka Hag II. Mark hasn't been around of late as far as I know, but you've already honked Zombo and me off. Take that for what it's worth. As bjh said earlier in this thread, why should anyone bother even responding to you? Unfortunately, I can't put you on ignore (same reason I couldn't with our now departed resident troll Ghoolie) because part of the job of being a Mod is keeping the asylum somewhat under control.
No, kiddo- I'll explain how things work around here, mostly because I've been here since day one. You've been here less than a week, and you want to tell us (more on that in a second) how to run things? ROTFLMAO!!! Got much of an ego problem? Contrary opinions are allowed- as long as they have some merit. Spout total crap- it's going to get called out. Your list of other teams that improved may have been right in your mind- but it everyone else's- it was dead wrong. There's posters who have played the game, or coached on a high level here, and they've forgotten more about football than you apparently know. There's other Browns message boards out there if you don't like it here.
Regarding us there's three moderators- Zombo, Mark O, and me, plus our board owner Kathy aka Hag II. Mark hasn't been around of late as far as I know, but you've already honked Zombo and me off. Take that for what it's worth. As bjh said earlier in this thread, why should anyone bother even responding to you? Unfortunately, I can't put you on ignore (same reason I couldn't with our now departed resident troll Ghoolie) because part of the job of being a Mod is keeping the asylum somewhat under control.
No good sir I do not have an ego problem, perhaps I miscommunicated, my English is what you call inelegant.
Also im not sure or concerned who moderates or has been here and im just trying to explain to people to have a little humility regarding the Browns recent somewhat success. When they go 7-9 and 8-8 the year after you men will understand
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No, kiddo- I'll explain how things work around here, mostly because I've been here since day one. You've been here less than a week, and you want to tell us (more on that in a second) how to run things? ROTFLMAO!!! Got much of an ego problem? Contrary opinions are allowed- as long as they have some merit. Spout total crap- it's going to get called out. Your list of other teams that improved may have been right in your mind- but it everyone else's- it was dead wrong. There's posters who have played the game, or coached on a high level here, and they've forgotten more about football than you apparently know. There's other Browns message boards out there if you don't like it here.
Regarding us there's three moderators- Zombo, Mark O, and me, plus our board owner Kathy aka Hag II. Mark hasn't been around of late as far as I know, but you've already honked Zombo and me off. Take that for what it's worth. As bjh said earlier in this thread, why should anyone bother even responding to you? Unfortunately, I can't put you on ignore (same reason I couldn't with our now departed resident troll Ghoolie) because part of the job of being a Mod is keeping the asylum somewhat under control.
No good sir I do not have an ego problem, perhaps I miscommunicated, my English is what you call inelegant.
Also im not sure or concerned who moderates or has been here and im just trying to explain to people to have a little humility regarding the Browns recent somewhat success. When they go 7-9 and 8-8 the year after you men will understand
No good sir I do not have an ego problem, perhaps I miscommunicated, my English is what you call inelegant.
Also im not sure or concerned who moderates or has been here and im just trying to explain to people to have a little humility regarding the Browns recent somewhat success. When they go 7-9 and 8-8 the year after you men will understand
Why don’t you just relate your humble prediction that the Browns will go 7-9 or even 8-8 instead of being an arrogant ass in demanding and that you are all knowing and God like in your stupid predictions. You might be right ....but I think not. What I do know is that you don’t know a goddamn thing more than anyone else on here about things.
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No good sir I do not have an ego problem, perhaps I miscommunicated, my English is what you call inelegant.
Also im not sure or concerned who moderates or has been here and im just trying to explain to people to have a little humility regarding the Browns recent somewhat success. When they go 7-9 and 8-8 the year after you men will understand
Why don’t you just relate your humble prediction that the Browns will go 7-9 or even 8-8 instead of being an arrogant ass in demanding and that you are all knowing and God like in your stupid predictions. You might be right ....but I think not. What I do know is that you don’t know a goddamn thing more than anyone else on here about things.
Why don’t you just relate your humble prediction that the Browns will go 7-9 or even 8-8 instead of being an arrogant ass in demanding and that you are all knowing and God like in your stupid predictions. You might be right ....but I think not. What I do know is that you don’t know a goddamn thing more than anyone else on here about things.
I do though
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Why don’t you just relate your humble prediction that the Browns will go 7-9 or even 8-8 instead of being an arrogant ass in demanding and that you are all knowing and God like in your stupid predictions. You might be right ....but I think not. What I do know is that you don’t know a goddamn thing more than anyone else on here about things.
I do though
I do though
The only thing you know more about is the smegma coming off our Peni
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I do though
The only thing you know more about is the smegma coming off our Peni
The only thing you know more about is the smegma coming off our Peni
Cleveland will finish below the Steelers and ravens the next two years it is what it is
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The only thing you know more about is the smegma coming off our Peni
Cleveland will finish below the Steelers and ravens the next two years it is what it is
Cleveland will finish below the Steelers and ravens the next two years it is what it is
Can this clown get the baking up turnovers treatment yet?
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We weren't better last year. No comparison to the additional talent Dorsey has added. Yup, they have Bosa and Derwin James. Also a 37 yo QB in Rivers, and our rejects Hayes Pullard and Spencer Drango on their roster too.
You're taking over for Soju as the most negative newcomer I've seen here in a long time.
The chargers have a guy named Melvin ingram who’s better than Vernon, they have a linebacker name Denzel Perryman who’s better than Kirk and schobert and their secondary is one of the best in the nfl per pff their o line is better their receivers and backs and quarterback about the same
Did you not watch the chargers browns game this year? They took the foot off the brake it could’ve easily been 50-7. This year the browns offensive line is worse. Their secondary looks suspect and if denze ward gets hurt like always or doesn’t play as good as last year their just bad. Also teams will adjust to them as they’re brand new.They’ll be a solid 8-8
The chargers have a guy named Melvin ingram who’s better than Vernon
As someone who's followed thst chargers D for a couple years lemme weigh in on this. Melvin Ingram is a stud, no question. Him and bosa are "formidable"...prob the best DE combo in the game right now. That "may" change next year and here's why.
SD protects Ingram alot on run D. He's not a chump setting the edge by any means, but they try to keep him away from double teams by shading the DTs toward him. That leaves bosa often dealing with a guard and tackle and he's fine with that....Melvin was 34 OLB'er that they've now made a 43 DE but they still stand him up because he's more comfortable rushing out of the 2 pt.
Olivier Vernon diesbt Ingram raw numbers but if u look at his tape, dear lord that's a twitch monster. For our def right now I'd much rather have Vernon st LDE than Ingram. Vernon isn't just fast he's "strong". Dude was giving Dallas's monster LT all he could handle last year. I rarely saw dudes rip under Smith's outside shoulder like Vernon was.
Hsving two cock diesel ass tweakers at DE with ogunjobi and Richardson in the middle.....u just dont understand the complications this is going to give o lines. Ogunjobi and Richardson are not unlockable all game long 1v1. Neither will Myles and Vernon be. Offenses are going to have to keep a RB or FB in reserve to help the tackles deal with the edge rushers so that the interior o line can concentrate on the sheldon and jobi. LB'er blitzes, like from Avery or maybe deron Lee if we pick him up...will be deadly.
Thing about Vernon is he's not a pure speed rusher. He's like Myles, he serves the edge. I dislike pure speed guys cause qb's can just step up. But with Myles and Vernon collapsing the pocket from the edges, any push up the middle from the DT's and the pocket is gonna feel like a phone booth.
The chargers may have very good DE's but they're a lil soft up the middle. I think they lost Mebane last year. A pocket to step up into will almost always tame even a very good edge rush.
I'm not bullish on the entire defense, but the front 4 is as solid as anything the NFL has seen in years. If we add deron Lee, him schobert and Kirk might be a very good lb'ing Corp in their own right.
If Baker scores early, expect our secondary to start taking risks and jumping routes because the front 4 will just go pure rush as the opposing offenses will have to start throwing to keep up.
This is what Dorsey has given us "on paper" with the additions of sheldon and vernon. It's up to the DC to get this right
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Cleveland will finish below the Steelers and ravens the next two years it is what it is
Can this clown get the baking up turnovers treatment yet?
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No, kiddo- I'll explain how things work around here, mostly because I've been here since day one. You've been here less than a week, and you want to tell us (more on that in a second) how to run things? ROTFLMAO!!! Got much of an ego problem? Contrary opinions are allowed- as long as they have some merit. Spout total crap- it's going to get called out. Your list of other teams that improved may have been right in your mind- but it everyone else's- it was dead wrong. There's posters who have played the game, or coached on a high level here, and they've forgotten more about football than you apparently know. There's other Browns message boards out there if you don't like it here.
Regarding us there's three moderators- Zombo, Mark O, and me, plus our board owner Kathy aka Hag II. Mark hasn't been around of late as far as I know, but you've already honked Zombo and me off. Take that for what it's worth. As bjh said earlier in this thread, why should anyone bother even responding to you? Unfortunately, I can't put you on ignore (same reason I couldn't with our now departed resident troll Ghoolie) because part of the job of being a Mod is keeping the asylum somewhat under control.
No good sir I do not have an ego problem, perhaps I miscommunicated, my English is what you call inelegant.
Also im not sure or concerned who moderates or has been here and im just trying to explain to people to have a little humility regarding the Browns recent somewhat success. When they go 7-9 and 8-8 the year after you men will understand
No good sir I do not have an ego problem, perhaps I miscommunicated, my English is what you call inelegant.
Also im not sure or concerned who moderates or has been here and im just trying to explain to people to have a little humility regarding the Browns recent somewhat success. When they go 7-9 and 8-8 the year after you men will understand
You might care when the Moderators kick your ass off of here for a week or two, or permanently. You're getting mighty close to that point in less than a week. Seems there's already enough undercurrent for that to happen already. Be thankful I have a slower trigger finger than Z when it comes to banning posters. So you're predicting not better than 8-8 the next two years Debbie Downer. Sure that could happen, if the Browns get hit with the injury bug as badly as the Bengals did in 2018. Cleveland could also win a Super Bowl in the same time frame. You must have missed the memo every network commentator has the Browns at least in the top three, if not the most improved team in the NFL.
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No good sir I do not have an ego problem, perhaps I miscommunicated, my English is what you call inelegant.
Also im not sure or concerned who moderates or has been here and im just trying to explain to people to have a little humility regarding the Browns recent somewhat success. When they go 7-9 and 8-8 the year after you men will understand
You might care when the Moderators kick your ass off of here for a week or two, or permanently. You're getting mighty close to that point in less than a week. Seems there's already enough undercurrent for that to happen already. Be thankful I have a slower trigger finger than Z when it comes to banning posters. So you're predicting not better than 8-8 the next two years Debbie Downer. Sure that could happen, if the Browns get hit with the injury bug as badly as the Bengals did in 2018. Cleveland could also win a Super Bowl in the same time frame. You must have missed the memo every network commentator has the Browns at least in the top three, if not the most improved team in the NFL.
You might care when the Moderators kick your ass off of here for a week or two, or permanently. You're getting mighty close to that point in less than a week. Seems there's already enough undercurrent for that to happen already. Be thankful I have a slower trigger finger than Z when it comes to banning posters. So you're predicting not better than 8-8 the next two years Debbie Downer. Sure that could happen, if the Browns get hit with the injury bug as badly as the Bengals did in 2018. Cleveland could also win a Super Bowl in the same time frame. You must have missed the memo every network commentator has the Browns at least in the top three, if not the most improved team in the NFL.
The problem is if they stay completely healthy they’re an 8-8 team at best right now. They went 7-9 because they snuck up on some teams who didn’t take them as serious as they will this year. They’re not the laughing stock anymore but they are still middle of the pack. I’m not being a Debbie downer just calling it how I see it. I think they go 6-10 without a big injury bug. Their o line is the worst since 2006. The secondary isn’t good. Their extremely young- a players prime is 24-28, baker,Chubb,Calloway,njoku,corbett,Myles,ogunjobi,ward and others are all like 22 years old. Young teams never just hop on and make a deep playoff and super bowl run like that. It never happens and they will go 8-8 at best
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The only thing you know more about is the smegma coming off our Peni
Cleveland will finish below the Steelers and ravens the next two years it is what it is
Cleveland will finish below the Steelers and ravens the next two years it is what it is
How do you know that have you swallowed the Steelers and the ravens come so much that is going to your brain you know it’s kind a like up to your eyeballs. Both of those teams are diminished from last year in my opinion where is the Browns are significantly improved
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You might care when the Moderators kick your ass off of here for a week or two, or permanently. You're getting mighty close to that point in less than a week. Seems there's already enough undercurrent for that to happen already. Be thankful I have a slower trigger finger than Z when it comes to banning posters. So you're predicting not better than 8-8 the next two years Debbie Downer. Sure that could happen, if the Browns get hit with the injury bug as badly as the Bengals did in 2018. Cleveland could also win a Super Bowl in the same time frame. You must have missed the memo every network commentator has the Browns at least in the top three, if not the most improved team in the NFL.
The problem is if they stay completely healthy they’re an 8-8 team at best right now. They went 7-9 because they snuck up on some teams who didn’t take them as serious as they will this year. They’re not the laughing stock anymore but they are still middle of the pack. I’m not being a Debbie downer just calling it how I see it. I think they go 6-10 without a big injury bug. Their o line is the worst since 2006. The secondary isn’t good. Their extremely young- a players prime is 24-28, baker,Chubb,Calloway,njoku,corbett,Myles,ogunjobi,ward and others are all like 22 years old. Young teams never just hop on and make a deep playoff and super bowl run like that. It never happens and they will go 8-8 at best
The problem is if they stay completely healthy they’re an 8-8 team at best right now. They went 7-9 because they snuck up on some teams who didn’t take them as serious as they will this year. They’re not the laughing stock anymore but they are still middle of the pack. I’m not being a Debbie downer just calling it how I see it. I think they go 6-10 without a big injury bug. Their o line is the worst since 2006. The secondary isn’t good. Their extremely young- a players prime is 24-28, baker,Chubb,Calloway,njoku,corbett,Myles,ogunjobi,ward and others are all like 22 years old. Young teams never just hop on and make a deep playoff and super bowl run like that. It never happens and they will go 8-8 at best
Again I just think that you are underestimating the actual talent on this team in comparison to the other teams in the division in the other teams in the AFC. Do they have weaknesses in a few spots sure. Can they bolster those positions absolutely with a couple more signings and the draft but even if they didn’t get an infusion of talent anymore than they have now I still think they will be challenging for top spots all around
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You might care when the Moderators kick your ass off of here for a week or two, or permanently. You're getting mighty close to that point in less than a week. Seems there's already enough undercurrent for that to happen already. Be thankful I have a slower trigger finger than Z when it comes to banning posters. So you're predicting not better than 8-8 the next two years Debbie Downer. Sure that could happen, if the Browns get hit with the injury bug as badly as the Bengals did in 2018. Cleveland could also win a Super Bowl in the same time frame. You must have missed the memo every network commentator has the Browns at least in the top three, if not the most improved team in the NFL.
The problem is if they stay completely healthy they’re an 8-8 team at best right now. They went 7-9 because they snuck up on some teams who didn’t take them as serious as they will this year. They’re not the laughing stock anymore but they are still middle of the pack. I’m not being a Debbie downer just calling it how I see it. I think they go 6-10 without a big injury bug. Their o line is the worst since 2006. The secondary isn’t good. Their extremely young- a players prime is 24-28, baker,Chubb,Calloway,njoku,corbett,Myles,ogunjobi,ward and others are all like 22 years old. Young teams never just hop on and make a deep playoff and super bowl run like that. It never happens and they will go 8-8 at best
The problem is if they stay completely healthy they’re an 8-8 team at best right now. They went 7-9 because they snuck up on some teams who didn’t take them as serious as they will this year. They’re not the laughing stock anymore but they are still middle of the pack. I’m not being a Debbie downer just calling it how I see it. I think they go 6-10 without a big injury bug. Their o line is the worst since 2006. The secondary isn’t good. Their extremely young- a players prime is 24-28, baker,Chubb,Calloway,njoku,corbett,Myles,ogunjobi,ward and others are all like 22 years old. Young teams never just hop on and make a deep playoff and super bowl run like that. It never happens and they will go 8-8 at best
I'll let you see it that way then. It's certainly a minority opinion. But- you don't "sneak up" on teams- once the Browns dumped the Hubatross as HC they went on a 5-3 roll, and you can bet every opposing coach duly noted Cleveland was on a roll.
Regarding extremely young- and it never happens? Har, wrong. Ever take a look at the Ram's roster? I just did. Overall about the same age as the Browns. https://www.phillyvoice.com/ranking-nfl-teams-age-after-53-man-cutdowns-2018-edition/ Cleveland 2nd youngest, Rams 4th youngest (0.2 years older) They had three guys on the high side of 30, Suh, Talib, and Whitworth. AND THEY MADE THE FREAKING SUPER BOWL. If you think that was a fluke, the year before that (2017) the Rams had the second youngest team in the NFL, went 11-5 and made the playoffs.
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8-9 wins is realistic.
Remember,
We were 1-6-1 vs teams with a winning record and 1-5 against playoff teams.
There are "next steps" to be taken still.
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nah - with the draft added in, and FA improvements -
this year, the weaknesses will be made strengths..
the sky is the limit, but I expect 12-4, with 4 close accidents/missed field goals, whatever.
If I'm gonna dream, I'm dreaming big.
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8-9 wins is realistic.
Remember,
We were 1-6-1 vs teams with a winning record and 1-5 against playoff teams.
There are "next steps" to be taken still.
8-9 wins is realistic.
Remember,
We were 1-6-1 vs teams with a winning record and 1-5 against playoff teams.
There are "next steps" to be taken still.
I suppose if you want to look at it that way. The schedule sets up very favorably for the Browns. With the only "on paper" really tough games being the Rams at home and Patriots on the road.
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